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==General Information==<br />
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===What is the purpose of WikiIslam?===<br />
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The purpose of WikiIslam is to provide an accurate and comprehensive resource on Islam.<br />
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===What is a wiki?===<br />
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A wiki is a website which anyone can edit using a web browser. This is different from conventional websites which can only be edited by their administrators who are using specialized web editing software. Content Management Systems that are not wikis are only managed by a small group of editors. A wiki puts any Internet user in the seat of a website administrator.<br />
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===What are the advantages of this site as compared to other sites about Islam?===<br />
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The biggest advantage is that anyone with access to the Internet can edit the website from their browser. You do not need to be a webmaster. <br />
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Other advantages over conventional websites would include the ability to keep our articles up-to-date and relevant regardless of when it was first created. <br />
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==Reliability==<br />
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===I'm looking for information on Islam. Is this the site to get it?===<br />
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Yes, if you are looking for factual information on Islam, this is the site to get it. If you have not found what you were looking for, you are welcome to make a request on the relevant [[WikiIslam:Discussions|Discussions]] page.<br />
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===Anyone can edit WikiIslam, so does that mean anyone can insert false information?===<br />
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No it does not. Like the German Wikipedia, all of our pages are under "[[WikiIslam:Pending Changes Protection|Pending-changes protection]]", meaning they are open for editing, but changes will only become visible to readers once they have been reviewed by a user with the appropriate access, known as a "reviewer", or by the administration. WikiIslam prides itself on being an accurate source of information on Islam. There is even a page dedicated to [[WikiIslam:Arguments Not To Use|arguments not to use]] on the website.<br />
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===WikiIslam is only a wiki and is biased. How can we trust its content?===<br />
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WikiIslam's focus on the criticism of Islam does not make us unreliable. The implementation of "Pending-changes protection" eliminates most of the common problems associated with wikis, and we also take great care in providing readers with copious references and footnotes that can be used to independently verify facts.<br />
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Concerning bias; if the references are reliable and presented correctly, the perceived bias of the site providing the information is irrelevant. Those who wish for others to dismiss the site by accusing us of bias are "attacking the messenger", a subdivision of the ad hominem logical fallacy. <br />
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There are countless individuals and websites that critique all forms of belief, but this does not lead to them being automatically labelled as unreliable. This is not always the case for those who choose to critique Islam. This is through no fault of our own, but the biases of the individuals who write us off as unreliable without ever analyzing our content. In most cases it would simply mean that you will have to look elsewhere for the positive aspects of whatever you are researching, however we actually host [[:Category:Pro-Islamic Content|pro-Islamic content]]. <br />
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Conversely, apologetic sites are hardly a reliable source about Islamic beliefs. By their very nature, they are there to defend Islam from criticism, they are not there to reflect current Muslim thought on anything. They are just as guilty of bias as the sites critical of Islam are. For anyone to disparage a site critical of Islam, and then to present these sites as an alternative source for learning about Islamic beliefs, is extremely hypocritical.<br />
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If you are looking for accurate information on Christianity or Buddhism without the apologetics, you would not ask a Christian or Buddhist and you would not visit a biased pro-Christian/Buddhist website. Or, if you do, you would not limit your research to those few sources. The same principles apply to Islam.<br />
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===How do I know the content is factual?===<br />
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Facts concerning Islamic theology are supported by citing Islamic sources such as Qur'an verses, tafsirs, hadiths, and fatwas. If you believe something is factually inaccurate, please use the associated talk-page and let us know. Some examples of the types of sources we use are listed [[WikiIslam:Reliable_Sources#External_Links_to_Resources|here]].<br />
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===Someone found mistakes in one of your articles. How can I trust the rest of the site?===<br />
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WikiIslam hosts {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles written by various users. Anyone who claims they have found mistakes in one of our articles and therefore the rest of our site should be dismissed, is committing the logical fallacy of [[W:Poisoning_the_well|poisoning the well]]. Also note that [[WikiIslam:Essays/Op-Eds Disclaimer|essays]] do not necessarily reflect the views of WikiIslam.<br />
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We are receptive to criticism and appreciate the input of our readers because it only results in improving the site. So if you notice any errors please let us know via the associated talk-pages and we will put the article under review. Better still, if your aim is to provide us with constructive criticism, why not <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Special:Userlogin|type=signup}} create an account]</span> and edit the page yourself?<br />
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==Sources Used==<br />
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===Does WikiIslam use polemic sources?===<br />
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No, we do not. Statements of fact concerning Islamic history and theology from polemic sources such as books, articles or commentaries by individuals such as Robert Spencer, Pamela Gellar, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mark A. Gabriel, Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Walid Shoebat, Brigitte Gabriel etc., are not permitted under any circumstances as [[WikiIslam:Reliable Sources|references on WikiIslam]]. Editors are advised to remove any such statements immediately if they come across them.<br />
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===Does WikiIslam use fabricated sources?===<br />
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No, we do not. We use Islamic sources which are readily available, either on the net or through retailers. They are the same sources you will see being used and accepted by thousands of Muslim websites. Wherever possible, we link directly to these Muslim websites which, for example, host [{{Compendium-of-muslim-texts-base-url}}/quran/ Qur'an], [{{Compendium-of-muslim-texts-base-url}}/hadith/ Hadith], [http://www.islam-qa.com/en fatwa], [http://bewley.virtualave.net/Risalatitl.html fiqh] and [http://www.theholybook.org/content/section/1/2/ Tafsir] text. <br />
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===What Qur'an translation do you use?===<br />
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Unless otherwise stated, we use the respected and widely accepted translations of Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthal or M. H. Shakir. All Qur'an quotes are taken from the University of Southern California Muslim Students Association's [[Compendium of Muslim Texts]].<br />
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===Does WikiIslam misquote Qur'an verses?===<br />
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No, we do not. If a misquoted Qur'an verse is brought to our attention, we will correct it immediately. Most claims of "misquoted Qur'an verses" consist of an apologist using an obscure translation of the Qur'an and pointing out that our translation is different to theirs (e.g. see [http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmybroadband.co.za%2Fvb%2Fshowthread.php%2F607524-I-am-islamophobic%3Fp%3D12428900%26viewfull%3D1%23post12428900&date=2014-04-07 here]). If someone fails to check the sources, they may assume that it is a misquotation on our part. However, it is us who are using the most widely accepted and established translations of the Qur'an (i.e. Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthal or M. H. Shakir). <br />
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===What Hadith translations do you use?===<br />
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Unless we have to translate an Arabic narration not yet available in English, it will generally be; the translation of Sahih Al-Bukhari by Muhsin Khan, the translation of Sahih Muslim by Abd-al-Hamid Siddiqui, the translation of Sunan Abu Dawud by Ahmad Hasan, and the translation of Malik's Muwatta by A'isha Abd-al-Rahman al-Tarjumana and Ya'qub Johnson. All are taken from the University of Southern California Muslim Students Association's [[Compendium of Muslim Texts]]. The English translations of Al Tirmidhi, Al Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah are all taken from Sunnah.com.<br />
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===Does WikiIslam use weak hadiths or quote partial hadiths out of context?===<br />
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No, we do not. The hadith collections used most often at WikiIslam form what is known as the "Authentic Six" i.e. the six canonical hadith collections of mainstream Islam. Bukhari and Muslim are labeled as entirely authentic (sahih). The others are from Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah. Malik's Muwatta' is also used and is placed just below the two Sahihs for its reliability, but is not generally included among the six. If available, when hadith from collections such as Nasa'i and Ibn Majah are quoted, the grading of its authenticity is also provided. <br />
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Hadith are never quoted out of context. They are almost always quoted in full. If a partial hadith is quoted, then it is only for the sake of brevity, and a verifiable online source is always provided to the full text. If a hadith is quoted out of context or is quoted in a way that obscures its actually meaning, we advise readers to bring this to our attention and we will promptly correct it.<br />
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It is ironic that those who make these false claims are usually the ones guilty of using weak hadiths or quoting partial hadiths out of context. We actually host many articles that deal with both of these issues (e.g. see [[List of Fabricated Hadith|here]], [[Misinterpreted Qur'anic Verses|here]] and [[Aishas Age of Consummation|here]]) and require editors to adhere to strict guidelines concerning [[WikiIslam:Reliable Sources|reliable sources]] and how they are [[WikiIslam:Citing Sources|cited]].<br />
==Wikipedia and WikiIslam==<br />
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===Is WikiIslam a branch of Wikipedia or the Wikimedia foundation?===<br />
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No, we are not in any way related to or endorsed by these organizations. Our only commonality is our use of the same [http://www.mediawiki.org Mediawiki] software which is also used by many other wiki websites.<br />
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===Why should I choose WikiIslam over Wikipedia for information critical of Islam?===<br />
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The [[Islam Science and the Problems at Wikipedia|Jagged 85 incident]] is a good example of the problems faced by Wikipedia with respect to Islam-related articles. Jagged 85 was an editor who contributed to 8,115 separate articles with over 67,000 edits made over a period of 5 years until they were caught in 2010. Focusing efforts on improving the image of Islam and downplaying the achievements of the western world, for 5 years he/she was left largely unhindered, misrepresenting sources in various ways, misrepresentations which were then reproduced all over the net by other sites which use Wikipedia as a source.<br />
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Wikipedia's policies have also allowed for the use of some very suspect "reliable" secondary sources. A prime example of this would be Paul Vallely's "[[How Islamic Inventors Did Not Change The World|How Islamic inventors changed the world]]". And they also host a [[List_of_Fabricated_Hadith#Muhammad.27s_Farewell_Sermon|fraudulent farewell sermon]] which was created by an Indian/Pakistani author in the 80's simply because Muslims use it a lot for propaganda, but ignore the authentic version of the sermon found in Tabari.<br />
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As WikiIslam concentrates on only one subject, we host fewer articles than Wikipedia. This enables the community to fine-tune our articles to a much higher standard.<br />
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===How is WikiIslam different from Wikipedia?===<br />
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WikiIslam's primary focus is on the criticism of Islam while Wikipedia is a compendium of general knowledge. These differing goals have led to different policies and guidelines. <br />
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Wikipedia discourages the use of primary and "non-notable/reliable" sources. WikiIslam, on the other hand, encourages the use of authentic primary religious text and the rulings of authoritative Muslim scholars who may not be notable to people outside of the Muslim world but who are giants within.<br />
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Wikipedia focuses on "[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability,_not_truth|2=2012-02-10}} verifiability, not truth]". In essence, this means that anyone who falls under Wikipedia's classification of "notable/reliable" can make a statement about any subject, and regardless of its factual accuracy, it can be used in their articles. In regards to Islam, it has meant they accept what "notable/reliable" western commentators say about its religious text and Muslims over what the religious text and Muslims actually say themselves.<br />
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These commentators who speak about Islam and who fall under Wikipedia's classification of "notable/reliable" tend to be apologists, because serious scholars, for example; [[Videos_on_Islam:_Quran#Bart_Ehrman_Explains_Why_He_Doesn.27t_Criticize_the_Qur.27an|Bart Ehrman]], are too scared, of violence against themselves or of being accused of bigotry, to criticize anything Islam-related. Thus, Wikipedia often uses notable apologists like Karen Armstrong (who is not a qualified historian or Islamic scholar) whilst ignoring some giant figures from the Islamic world.<br />
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===What can I find at WikiIslam that I cannot find at Wikipedia?===<br />
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While Wikipedia can be a good starting point for general knowledge on Islam, a lot of content and information can be found here on WikiIslam that you would never find there. [[Muslim Statistics]], [[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]], [[Converts to Islam]], [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars|Quotations from Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars]], and [[List of Genuine Islamic Inventions Innovations Records and Firsts|List of Genuine Islamic Inventions, Innovations, Records and Firsts]] are just a few examples. For our most recent articles, see the [[WikiIslam:New Articles List|New Articles List]].<br />
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==About Us==<br />
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===Is WikiIslam Islamophobic, racist or a hate site?===<br />
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No, WikiIslam is not Islamophobic, racist or a hate site. To make such a claim requires [[W:special pleading|special pleading]]. If WikiIslam editors are labeled Islamophobes, racists and hate mongers, it is through no fault of their own, but the biases of the individuals who make these claims.<br />
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WikiIslam is not European or "Western", it is an international site with administrators, editors and contributors from all over the world, and the content and policies reflect this. The site does not have a left or right-wing political agenda, thus articles concerning immigration and other related issues are strictly prohibited. Consequently, readership is vast and not saturated by European or "Western" viewers. <br />
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Many of the site's administrators and editors are from a Muslim background and/or are skeptics from Muslim majority nations. The information on WikiIslam reflect what the religious sources say, so any negative or unflattering information in its articles concerning Islam or Prophet Muhammad are not the fault of editors. They are simply what the religious texts relate. <br />
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There are also many individuals and websites that critique all forms of beliefs, but this does not make them phobic, racist or hatemongers. For instance, Christians are the most widely persecuted religious group on earth, the majority of worldwide Christians are non-white, and Christianity is even sub-Saharan Africa's largest religion. This does not make criticism of Christianity or the actions and claims of its adherents, racist and phobic.<br />
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Everyone, without exception, is welcome to edit the main site content if they adhere to the policies and guidelines. And unlike most Muslim websites on the net, editors who would like to express an alternate point of view are welcome to create responses.<br />
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===Is WikiIslam a propaganda site?===<br />
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No, it is not. According to Wikipedia, propaganda is “a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.” Sites which support women's rights, gay rights, refute Creationism or inform the public on matters concerning the science of Evolution would fit this definition. In fact any site with a point of view could be labeled with the “propaganda” tag, yet this is seldom the case. <br />
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===Is WikiIslam a right-wing or counter-jihad site?===<br />
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No, WikiIslam is not a right-wing or counter-jihad site. We do not endorse any particular political ideology. Thus, contributors to WikiIslam are from all positions of the political spectrum. <br />
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Also, according to Wikipedia, "Counter-jihad discourse mixes valid concerns about jihad-inspired terrorism with far more complex political issues about immigration to Europe from predominantly Muslim countries," and that "Bat Ye'Or's Eurabia [and other such conspiracy theories] are important to the movement. The main theme of these theories is an allegation that European leaders allow a Muslim dominance of Europe, whether by intention or not, through multicultural policies and lax immigration laws." WikiIslam does not cover political issues such as multiculturalism or immigration. Nor does it entertain related conspiracy theories such as Barack Obama being a secret Muslim.<br />
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===I've heard many good things about Islam. Why doesn’t this site talk about them?===<br />
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We do in fact have a [[:Category:Pro-Islamic Content|collection of articles]] that aim to provide you with a positive view of Islam. However, for reading and contributing exclusively pro-Islamic content please see the [http://muslimwiki.com/mw/index.php/MuslimWiki Muslim Wikipedia], where presenting alternate point of views are strictly prohibited. <br />
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===Was WikiIslam created by Christian missionaries?===<br />
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No. WikiIslam was founded by an atheist. However, in regards to the criticism of Islam, being called a "Christian missionary" is a common occurrence and always derogatory. The term is often used in debates as an ad-hominem to encourage Muslim listeners/readers to dismiss any valid points that may have been raised. It is often applied to critics regardless of their religious affiliation or occupation.<br />
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===Is WikiIslam owned by Jews?===<br />
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No.<br />
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===Is WikiIslam funded by Jews, and how much do they pay you?===<br />
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No. We are not funded by any individual or entity. However, we do accept donations. A record of all donations can be viewed [[WikiIslam:Join_Our_Team#Donations_Received|here]].<br />
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===Is WikiIslam pro-Israel?===<br />
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No. This is not a political wiki. We focus solely on Islam. Any such articles will be updated, [http://www.wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Videos_on_Islam:Israeli_Palestinian_Conflict&action=edit&redlink=1 deleted] or [http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikiislam.net%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DWikiIslam%253ASandbox%252FIsrael_vs_genocide%26action%3Dhistorysubmit%26diff%3D65682%26oldid%3D51243&date=2012-09-06 removed] from the wiki mainspace.<!-- http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwikiislam.net%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DIsrael%2C_Palestine%2C_and_Gays%26action%3Dedit%26redlink%3D1&date=2013-11-30 --><br />
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===Is WikiIslam owned by Ali Sina or Faith Freedom International?===<br />
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No, we are not. WikiIslam was created on October 27, 2005 in collaboration with various individuals from [[Faith Freedom International]] who provided the site with server space, technical help and exposure. However, in August 2008, the site was moved out of FFI's server and since then we have been an independent site not owned by or affiliated with any organization. <br />
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===What is the religious persuasion of the contributors to WikiIslam?===<br />
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WikiIslam contributors come from all religious persuasions, including irreligious contributors of no faith. We do not endorse any religion, nor do we criticize any religion other than Islam. However, we do accept Evolution as a scientific fact.<br />
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==Content==<br />
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===Why are there spelling and grammatical errors in some articles?===<br />
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A lot of our articles have been written by former Muslims who speak English only as a second or third language. The correct use of grammar is important to us, so any corrections are appreciated.<br />
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===Why are there so few articles hosted on WikiIslam?===<br />
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Like most wikis, WikiIslam is always growing and we currently host {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles. Many wikis use copies or modified versions of Wikipedia articles. However, as a general rule, we do not allow Wikipedia articles in any form. We aim to provide readers with unique content and believe quality over quantity is the best policy. <br />
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===Why do some pages not adhere to your policies and guidelines?===<br />
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Wiki sites are always evolving, so there may be a few things which do not completely adhere to our rules. We have updated or deleted a whole host of articles which were unsuitable for this site, and as time permits, more and more pages will closely reflect our policies and guidelines.<br />
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===I am a critic of Islam but I do not like some of the content on this website===<br />
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Criticism of Islam comes in many varieties. What one critic likes may not be liked by another critic. Nevertheless, content can usually be improved. If you have any constructive criticism please let us know on the relevant [[WikiIslam:Discussions|Discussions]] page or use the talk page of an article to provide feedback on it. Critics of Islam are encouraged to be accepting of differences of opinions, provide constructive criticism when possible and work together on common goals. However, inaccuracy of content falls outside the issue of "accepting differences of opinions" and will not be tolerated.<br />
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==Contributing==<br />
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===I think WikiIslam is great, so how can I help?===<br />
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Help is always appreciated and can come in various forms, including; new ideas, content-writing, data scanning and collection, translations, copy-editing, marketing and donations (see [[WikiIslam:Join_the_Team#Ways_To_Help|Ways To Help]] for more details).<br />
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===Can anyone create a login id and contribute to this website?===<br />
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Yes. Creating an account is free, allows you to remain anonymous and takes only seconds. You can also edit using an IP address but will have to enter an anti-spam CAPTCHA for every edit. <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Special:Userlogin|type=login}} Click here to create an account]. </span> Before editing, please see our [[WikiIslam:Message to New Users|message to new users]].<br />
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===I want to create an article criticizing atheism, Christianity or Hinduism. Can I start one?===<br />
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No. We do not criticize any religion or world view other than Islam. Any such articles will be updated, deleted or removed from the wiki mainspace. However, we do accept Evolution as a scientific fact.<br />
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===I want to create an article proving Christianity or Hinduism is superior to Islam. Can I start one?===<br />
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No. We do not endorse any religion or world view. Any such articles will be updated, deleted or removed from the wiki mainspace.<br />
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We may, however, host articles refuting the more popular tu-quoque arguments and Islamic propaganda made against other faiths and world-views (for example; claiming Joseph, the husband of Mary, [[Joseph the Pedophile|was a pedophile]] so it excuses Muhammad's actions, or claiming Muhammad was predicted in [[Bhavishya Purana|Hindu scripture]] and [[Dasatir-i-Asmani|Zoroastrian scripture]]). <br />
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The fact that we have pages discussing Christian, Hindu and Zoroastrian scripture does not in any way make us pro-Christianity, Hinduism, or Zoroastrianism, because we are not endorsing any of these scripture as truth or better than the Qur'an. We are simply clarifying misconceptions which are spread by Muslims to endorse ''their'' religion.<br />
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===Can I write an article about Muslim immigration, multiculturalism, leftists or Barack Obama?===<br />
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No. This is not a "[[WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Is_WikiIslam_a_right-wing_or_counter-jihad_site.3F|counter-jihad]]" wiki. Our aim is to remain neutral towards issues of a political rather than religious nature. Any such articles will be updated, [http://www.wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Left-Islamist_alliance&action=edit&redlink=1 deleted] or removed from the wiki mainspace.<br />
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===I want to become an admin and open up my own language's sub-domain. Can I start one?===<br />
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We require about a front page's worth of translations (about 25-35 full-length articles, excluding humorous, links or media pages) before considering to launch a new sub-domain. More information about translations can be found at [[WikiIslam:Translations]]. Although WikiIslam's core principles will remain, once these initial translations are completed, the new sub-domains are free to evolve separately to the English site. <br />
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One of the key rules to follow when translating these pre-sub-domain articles is that they should always remain absolutely faithful to the original English work, retaining their scholarly tone and information. The reason for accurate translations to begin with is that it allows new editors in that particular language to understand the style, tone, and quality that is expected in all languages.<br />
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It also allows existing administrators to see if there are any users who would be suitable and willing to take on the responsibility of guiding the future direction of that sub-domain. To be an administrator at this site or one of its sub-domains, an editor must demonstrate that they fully understand and are willing to uphold the policies and guidelines concerning style, tone, and quality. <br />
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We take a scholarly and rational approach in our conduct and criticisms. We also differ from other sites in the fact that we have stringent rules concerning the content of our articles. Material should always be tailored to accommodate, as best as possible, a universal audience, and they should contain no politics, no promotion or criticism of other religions/worldviews and no opinions, only referenced facts. <br />
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Those who would like to see a WikiIslam sub-domain in their language are advised to join the [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation_Project|WikiIslam Translation Project]] and start translating articles.<br />
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===I want to donate to the site but have no PayPal account. Can you give me your postal address?===<br />
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No, for obvious reasons we cannot. If you would honestly like to help, please open a PayPal account or consider an alternative way to [[WikiIslam:Join the Team|support the site]].<br />
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===I know a great book/blog/website you could use to improve the wiki. What should I do?===<br />
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If you know of a resource that may be useful to editors at the wiki, then [[WikiIslam:Contact Us|contact us]] via email. If the resource is suited to the site, an administrator will make it known to editors. Although general comments and suggestions are welcome on the wiki's [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Visitor Inquiries|discussion page for visitors]], posting links to online books/blogs/websites may be construed as a form of promotion, so please do not post them there.<br />
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==Requests==<br />
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===Can someone do XYZ, create/edit an article for me?===<br />
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You can leave a request on the relevant [[WikiIslam:Discussions|Discussions]] page, but editors are already busy with existing tasks, so you may have to do it yourself.<br />
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===Can someone join Wikipedia and help me by doing some work/voting over there?===<br />
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No, we are not a recruiting ground for Wikipedians.<br />
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===Muslims are claiming XYZ about Islam. Can I have some help refuting this?===<br />
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Muslims believe that the [[Qur'an]] contains a message from an all-powerful, all-knowing, infallible being. If this is true then it should not contain any [[Contradictions and Errors|errors, mistakes]], or information that contradicts known facts about the universe. If even one error exists in the text of [[Islam]]'s holy book then the claims of divine authorship and infallibility are not true. An objective evaluation of the Qur’an shows that it contains numerous [[Islam and Science|scientific]] and historical errors and it reflects a pre-scientific, 7<sup>th</sup> century view of the natural world.<br />
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Some apologists will contest these numerous scientific errors in the Qur'an by appealing to metaphor, alternative meanings, or [[w:Phenomenology (philosophy)|phenomenological]] interpretations of the text. Even if we suppose that alternative explanations were possible in every case, the wording and content of the Qur'anic verses often mimic the popular mythology and unscientific misconceptions of the time in which they were recorded. The author of the Qur’an makes no clear or unambiguous statements that differentiate his understanding of the natural world from the common folklore of the people living in the 7<sup>th</sup> century. If the Qur’an was delivered by an all-powerful, all-knowing being then he would have been able to foresee how such ambiguous and misleading statements would be understood by future generations and the doubts and confusions they would cause. This alone should be reason to reject any claims to its divine authorship.<br />
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==Astronomy==<br />
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=== Geocentricism===<br />
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The Qur'an mentions numerous times that the sun and the moon travel in an orbit, but does not mention once that the earth does too. This is consistent with a earth-centered (geocentric) view of the cosmos that places a motionless earth at the center of the universe and all "heavenly bodies" travel around the earth. This was the prevailing understanding of the universe prior to the 16<sup>th</sup> century when Copernicus helped explain and popularize a sun-centered (heliocentric) view of the universe. Tellingly, the sun's orbit is always mentioned in the context of night and day.<br />
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A token unto them is night. We strip it of the day, and lo! they are in darkness. And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.}}<br />
This is in a passage about night and day. Right after describing the change from day to night, it says that the sun runs on to a resting place for it (a few translations use instead, "appointed term", though in nearly all other verses where we find قرر as a participle they translate it as a place of settlement or an abode or resting place. There are also sahih hadith that mention the sun's daily cycle using the same Arabic word as in verse 36:38 to mean a resting place {{Muslim|1|297}} (for the Arabic of this hadith, see [http://sunnah.com/muslim/1/306 here]).<br />
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The alternative view was that it refers to the sun's final resting on the last day. There are other verses (35:13, 31:29, 39:5, 13:2) that mention the sun and moon floating/swimming (with the same verb as is translated "run" in 36:38) for a term appointed (لِأَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى which does have that meaning - مُسْتَقَرٍّ in 36:38 is a different word). Another version of the above mentioned hadith (e.g. {{Bukhari|9|93|520}} - for the Arabic see [http://sunnah.com/bukhari/97/52 here]) probably supports this view, with a different ending indicating that the مُسْتَقَرٍّ (resting place) in 36:38 refers to the end of the world when the sun is asked to rise from its setting place (مِنْ مَغْرِبِهَا). Whichever interpretation was intended, the sun's movement is nevertheless mentioned right after describing day and night, just as the next verse mentions the different mansions appointed for the moon each night. The whole passage is about day and night and the sun and moon's movement in that context.<br />
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It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. }}<br />
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Some apologists try to explain away the Qur'anic description of the sun moving in an orbit as a reference to our sun orbiting the black hole at the center of the milky way galaxy every 225 million years. This is an [[w:Ad hoc hypothesis|Ad hoc hypothesis]], of no relevance to human time scales, and nothing from the text implies that the sun is orbiting anything other than the earth. If the author had knowledge of the sun orbiting a black hole then it is conspicuous that he never mentions it explicitly nor in any way differentiates the sun's orbit from that of the moon.<br />
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In the Qur'an, the moon and the sun orbit the earth together. There is no distinction made between the moon, which actually revolves around the earth, and the sun which only appears to revolve around the earth when in fact the suns movement through the sky is a product of the rotation of the earth around its axis.<br />
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By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him; }}<br />
The Arabic word translated "follow" is used many other places to mean recite, but is primarily defined as to follow, go or walk behind, follow in way of immitation, of action etc. and is often used for animals like camels following behind each other.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|21|33}}|And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|31|29}}|Hast thou not seen how Allah causeth the night to pass into the day and causeth the day to pass into the night, and hath subdued the sun and the moon (to do their work), each running unto an appointed term; and that Allah is Informed of what ye do?}}<br />
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Notice also that the path of the sun is something that the author expects people to have seen (another problem for the galactic orbit interpretation).<br />
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===Setting and Rising Place of the Sun===<br />
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The Qur'an assumes a flat earth which has physical places into which the sun sets and rises from. Since the earth is a rotating sphere, the sun does not set in any particular place and you can never travel to "the spot" where the sun sets nor a place where it rises; the sun appears to set or rise on the horizon no matter where you are on the planet. In these verses, the author propagates a popular legend from the 7th century of a man named Dhu'l-Qarnayn who visits the places where the sun sets and rises; here he finds the sun going down into a muddy spring and later rising on a tribe with no coverings. <br />
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Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. }}<br />
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Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. }}<br />
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Some Muslim Apologists have come up with creative interpretations of these verses to say that Dhu'l-Qrnayn only traveled until he reached "the west" or to a spot "at the time" when the sun set and not the "place" where the sun set. Unfortunately, these alternative interpretations are severely undermined by the [[Dhul-Qarnayn_and_the_Sun_Setting_in_a_Muddy_Spring_-_Part_One#First_interpretation:_He_reached_the_west_and_east|context and Arabic words]] used in these verses, which instead point to a physical location. Again, we must ask why an all-knowing being would use such misleading verses that mimic the misconceptions and legends prevalent at the time if one of these alternative explanations is correct.<br />
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===Stars are Missiles Shot at Devils===<br />
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The author of the Qur'an does not seem to know the difference between stars (giant balls of gas thousands of times larger than the earth) and meteorites which are small rocky masses of debris which brighten up after entering the earth's atmosphere. Many ancient people confused the two, as meteorites look like stars that are streaking across the sky; this is why there were often called [[w:Meteoroid|shooting stars]] or falling stars. In the following verse, the Qur'an claims that Allah uses stars as missiles to ward away devils. This repeats a common Arab myth at the time the Qur'an was first recited.<br />
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And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with stars/lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame. }}<br />
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Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.}}<br />
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===Moon Emits Light===<br />
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The moon does not emit its own light but simply reflects light coming from the Sun. The Arabic word for reflected (in`ikaas) does not appear in this Qur'anic verse that says the Moon is a "light". It instead uses the word "Noor" which is used to denote an entity that emits light.<br />
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And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?}}<br />
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The word "Noor" is also used in this verse to show that Allah is the "light" of the universe. Clearly the author is not implying that Allah reflects light from another source but is the source of the light.<br />
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Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light: Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things.}}<br />
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===Moon was Split in Two===<br />
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The Qur'an and Hadith claim that the moon was miraculously split into two pieces and then, presumably, put back together again. There is absolutely no scientific evidence whatsoever that the moon has ever been split into two. Since the moon is visible to half the planet at any given time, we should expect to see numerous accounts from different parts of the world attesting to this event if it actually happened. The Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Persians, Chinese and Indians had avid astronomers who should have seen this event and recorded it in their histories. The absence of historical record from other civilizations, contemporary to Muhammad, is a strong indication that this event never happened.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|54|1-3}}|The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder. }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|56|831}}|Narrated Anas: "That the Meccan people requested Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle, and so he showed them the splitting of the moon."}}<br />
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=== Sun, Moon and Stars Created for Humans===<br />
The sun, moon and stars are much older than humans. But the Qur'an states their created purpose is for timekeeping and navigation.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|10|5}}|It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for her; that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time).}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|189}}|They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, and for Pilgrimage.}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|6|96}}|He it is that cleaveth the day-break (from the dark): He makes the night for rest and tranquillity, and the sun and moon for the reckoning (of time): Such is the judgment and ordering of (Him), the Exalted in Power, the Omniscient. }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|6|97}}|It is He Who maketh the stars (as beacons) for you, that ye may guide yourselves, with their help, through the dark spaces of land and sea: We detail Our signs for people who know. }}<br />
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=== Night is a Veil === <br />
Night is just the darkness of space as seen from the earth due its rotation. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|7|54}}| Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: }}<br />
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===Seven Planets in the Universe===<br />
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This verse claims there are seven planets. However, according to astronomers, there are eight ordinary planets and five dwarf planets, which leaves the grand total at thirteen in our solar system. Modern astronomy also has found hundreds of other planets in other solar systems and Cosmologists estimate that hundreds of billions of stars and planets exist in the universe. The author of the Qur'an singling out such a small number of celestial objects only reaffirms his ignorance of the makeup of the universe.<br />
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Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a '''similar number'''. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge. }}<br />
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A Tafsir (interpretation of the Qur'an) attributed to Ibn Abbas, but by an unknown author and date, says that Allah means that all 7 planets are flat planets.<br />
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{{Quote|Tafsir Ibn-Abass | Allah is He who created 7 heavens one above the other like a dome, and of the Earths, the like thereof, 7 planets but '''they are flat'''}}<br />
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A hadith suggests that these are seven earths stacked above each other.<br />
{{Quote|{{Bukhari|3|43|634}}| The Prophet said, "Whoever takes a piece of the land of others unjustly, he will sink down the seven earths on the Day of Resurrection.}}<br />
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===Seven Heavens===<br />
{{Main|Cosmology of the Quran|l1=Cosmology of the Qur'an}}<br />
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The universe consists of hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars. There is no such thing as seven layers to the universe. This myth of seven heavens was a common idea prevalent in the Middle East during the time when the Qur'an was first recited.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|71|15}}|<br />
See ye not how Allah has created the seven heavens one above another}}<br />
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There are only 5 not 7 principal layers to the [[W:Atmosphere of Earth|Earth's atmosphere]], and likewise only 5 not 7 major layers to the Earth itself.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|65|12}}|Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like of them; the decree continues to descend among them, that you may know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah indeed encompasses all things in (His) knowledge.}}<br />
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===Stars are Located in the Nearest Heaven===<br />
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Stars are spread throughout the Universe and there is no such thing as the "nearest" heaven or layer. Also, this verse is in keeping with the author's claim (Quran 71:15 as described above) that the seven heavens are arranged one above the other.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|37|6}}| Surely We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment, the stars}}<br />
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===Earth Created in Six Days===<br />
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The earth first formed around 9 billion years after the Big Bang. The Qur'an, however, repeats the prevailing middle eastern myth that the earth and universe were formed in six days. <br />
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We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us}}<br />
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Muslim apologists try and rescue the Qur'an by pointing to an alternative meaning of the Arabic word 'yawm' which typically means 'day' but can sometimes mean 'time period'. However the predominant meaning of the word is day and when a specific number is used, in this case six, the word almost always means a literal 24-hour day. Again, nothing in the context of the verses, nor the Qur'an in general, suggests the universe or earth were formed over long time periods. Secondly, neither the universe nor earth were formed in six long periods of time. It would have been trivial for an all-knowing diety to simply state that the universe was first formed over [[w:Age of the universe|13.8 billion years ago]]. However, this information is conspicuously missing.<br />
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===Earth Created before Stars===<br />
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The author of the Qur'an is also unaware that the [[w:Abundance of elements in Earth's crust|elements in the Earth's crust]] and core were first formed in stars. Modern science has proposed that all the elements that make up the earth (Oxygen, Nitrogen, Carbon, Iron, etc.) was originally formed by [[w:Nucleosynthesis|nucleosynthesis]] in stars and then expelled into the universe when those stars [[w:Supernova|supernova]]. Yet the Qur'an describes the earth being formed before the stars and from "smoke" or material that pre-dates stars. All rocky and gaseous planets in the universe were formed in a similar manner to the earth and the Qur'an singling out the earth only further highlights the authors ignorance of the history of the formation of celestial objects.<br />
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He it is Who created for you all that is in the earth. Then turned He to the heaven, and fashioned it as seven heavens. And He is knower of all things. }}<br />
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====Earth and Heavens were Ripped Apart====<br />
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Some apologists claim that the following verse is compatible with the [[w:Big Bang|Big Bang]] theory. But according to this theory, the Universe was formed about 13.8 billion years ago due to a [[w:Chronology of the universe|rapid expansion]] from singularity. The earth was formed 4.54 billion years ago from [[w:History of the Earth|accretion]] of debris that surrounded the precursor of the Sun. There was no "separation" of the "joined" earth and heavens as this verse suggests. It is, in fact, a repetition of [[w:World egg|cosmic egg]] myths in which an egg-like structure was split into two halves, the lower half forming the earth and the upper half forming the heaven.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|21|30}}|<br />
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? }}<br />
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====Universe was Made from Smoke by Contraction====<br />
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Neither was there any stage of formation of the Universe that involved smoke (carbon particles suspended as a result of combustion) nor did the earth and heavens "come" together at any point of time. Earth is a part of this Universe and has developed within it.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-range|41|11|12}}|<br />
Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient. Then He ordained them seven heavens in two Days and inspired in each heaven its mandate; and We decked the nether heaven with lamps, and rendered it inviolable. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Knower. }}<br />
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The next verse clearly says that stars were created after the seven heavens which took two days to create, and after the earth which was created even earlier.<br />
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===The Cause of Shadows===<br />
Shadows are produced when the sun's light is blocked by an obstacle. It is the Earth's rotation that causes these shadows to change size and location. However, by calling the sun the guide of shadows, this verse claims shadows are caused due to the sun's movement. A non-living "guide" can have two meanings: a controller of movement or an indicator. Other translations of this verse do call the sun an indicator but this is also unscientific because the sun cannot ''indicate'' them.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|25|45-46}}|<br />
Hast thou not turned thy vision to thy Lord?- How He doth prolong the shadow! If He willed, He could make it stationary! then do We make the sun its guide; Then We draw it in towards Ourselves,- a contraction by easy stages.}}<br />
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Further, this verse suggests that shadows can be made stationary i.e. the rotation of the earth can be stopped. This is not possible. Then the next verse says that shadows are drawn towards Allah which has no scientific meaning.<br />
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===Sun is a Flat Disk===<br />
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This verse suggests that the Sun is flat and can be folded up. The Sun appears as a flat disc from the perspective of a person on earth, but the [[w:Sun|sun]] is in fact a near-perfect sphere (oblate spheroid). The verse implies the authors ignorance of this fact.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|81|1}}|<br />
When the sun (with its spacious light) is folded up}}<br />
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===The similar size and distance of the sun and moon===<br />
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The Qur'an has statements about the end of the world that are much as one would expect if the author believed the sun and moon to be of similar size and a similar distance from Earth.<br />
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{{Quote|{{cite quran|75|8|end=9|style=ref}}|And the moon darkens And the sun and the moon are joined,}}<br />
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The word translated "are joined" is Arabic jumi'a, a verb which means to collect together, gather together, bring together. Given that this would actually require the moon to travel 98 million miles away from Earth and into the sun, which dwarfs it by over 600 times in diameter, it seems vastly less fitting as an apocalyptic event than if the ancient conception of the cosmos was correct.<br />
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===Sky is a Tent/Dome===<br />
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A common myth at the time of the Quran's composition was that the sky or heavens were held up with pillars. Many Bedouin people living in Arabia imagined the sky as a large tent covering, similar to the tents they used. The author repeats this myth by describing the sky as being "raised" above the earth.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|22}}|<br />
It is He Who made the Earth a couch for you, and the sky a dome.}} <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|13|2}}|<br />
Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see}}<br />
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In another verse, the author says that the sky has a covering.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|81|11}}|<br />
And when the heaven has its covering removed,}}<br />
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===Sky Guards the Earth===<br />
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Asteroids and meteorites have penetrated the atmosphere and hit the earth throughout the course of history. This includes the [[w:Chicxulub crater|massive meteorite]] that hit near the [[w:Yucatán Peninsula|Yucatán Peninsula]] 65 million years which killed off numerous species including most dinosaurs. There is no guardian, whatsoever, that prevents these types of events form happening.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|21|32}}|<br />
And We have made the heavens as a canopy well guarded: yet do they turn away from the Signs which these things (point to)}}<br />
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===Sky can Fall Down on People===<br />
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The Qur'an author thought that the sky is like a ceiling that can fall on someone while the earth can swallow someone too. This is obviously impossible as the earth's atmosphere is simply made of gas.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|34|9}}|See they not what is before them and behind them, of the sky and the earth? If We wished, We could cause the earth to swallow them up, or cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them. Verily in this is a Sign for every devotee that turns to Allah (in repentance).}}<br />
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===Sky can be Rolled Up===<br />
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This is another verse implying that the sky or heaven is something solid.<br />
{{Quote|{{Quran|21|104}}|The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. }}<br />
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===Ignorance of the North and South Poles===<br />
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In polar regions, the longevity of day and night vary during summer and winter. The day gets shorter and shorter in winter until there are days or weeks of uninterrupted night. At the poles themselves, day and night alternately last for six months and all phases of the moon occur several times between sunrise and sunset. The author of the Qur'an did not know about this and he only repeated earlier geocentric ideas.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|36|40}}|<br />
It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. }}<br />
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Furthermore, when reading this verse one should wonder in what sense day and night each have an orbit. This does, however, seem to fit with another verse (see above [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Qur%27an#Night_is_a_Veil Night is a Veil]).<br />
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==Biology==<br />
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===Evolution===<br />
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The Qur'an presupposes a [[creation|creationist]] view of life on earth. Its understanding of the history of human life is incompatible with the overwhelming scientific evidence that humans have evolved from prior life forms, over the course of millions of years, through natural selection [http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence]. While some Muslims accept the theory of evolution, most reject it in favor of a creationist world view. [[Muslim Statistics - Science#Evolution|Opinion polls]] show that the majority of Muslims agree Islam and evolution are not compatible. <br />
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====Human Creation from Clay====<br />
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The Qur’an state that humans were created instantaneously from mud or clay. There is no indication that the author is aware of the evolution of human life over millions of years nor our common ancestry with apes and primates. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|15|26}}|<br />
We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape; }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|117}}|<br />
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is. }}<br />
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====First Humans: Adam and Eve====<br />
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Creation}}<br />
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The Qur’an and Hadith contains stories concerning the 'first humans' and how all people are descended from these two earliest ancestors. It states that humans were created in a garden (paradise) and then brought to earth fully formed. This view of the origins of human life is clearly contradicted by the numerous fossils of pre-homosapien species that lived on earth for millions of years before modern humans first evolved.[http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence]<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|7|189}}|<br />
"He it is Who created you from a single being, and of the same (kind) did He make his mate," }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|55|548}}| Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah 's Apostle said, "Treat women nicely, for '''a women is created from a rib''', and the most curved portion of the rib is its upper portion, so, if you should try to straighten it, it will break, but if you leave it as it is, it will remain crooked. So treat women nicely." }}<br />
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Some Muslim apologists will claim the view of two ancestral “parents” is consistent with recent scientific findings that show a common female and male ancestor of all modern humans. They often exploit the confusion caused by scientists referring to these genetic ancestors as [[W:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] and [[W:Y-chromosomal Adam|Y-chromosomal Adam]]. These two individuals bear little resemblance to the Quranic account as they are simply the last common male and female ancestors of everyone alive today, not of all humans in history. The Qur'an clearly states Eve was created later than Adam, however [[W:Mitochondrial Eve|Mitochondrial Eve]] lived some 50,000 to 80,000 years earlier than [[W:Y-chromosomal Adam|Y-chromosomal Adam]].[http://biologos.org/blog/does-genetics-point-to-a-single-primal-couple] Genetic evidence overwhelmingly indicates that humans diverged from earlier species as a population, not a single couple. [http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/how-big-was-the-human-population-bottleneck-not-anything-close-to-2/].<br />
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====Humans Created in Paradise and then Brought to Earth====<br />
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Creation}}<br />
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The author of the Qur'an explicitly states that humans were first created outside of the earth and then only later sent down to live on the planet after being expelled from paradise. We have no evidence that humans ever lived in a terrestrial or extra-terrestrial paradise. In fact, all evidence points to primitive humanoids living in caves for tens of thousands of years before settling into more permanent dwellings. [http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/plaintexthistories.asp?historyid=ab27]<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|36}}|<br />
"Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: 'Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On '''earth will be your dwelling-place''' and your means of livelihood - for a time.' }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Muslim|4|1856}}| Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The best day on which the sun has risen is''' Friday; on it Adam was created''', on it he was made to enter Paradise, on it he. was expelled from it.}}<br />
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===Embryology===<br />
{{Main|Embryology in the Quran|l1=Embryology in the Qur'an}}<br />
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The Qur'an and Hadith contain statements about bodily fluids and the stages of development of the human embryo. Many of these descriptions are vague and unscientific. Most bear a striking resemblance to [[Greek and Jewish Ideas about Reproduction in the Quran and Hadith|similar descriptions]] found in the [[w:Talmud|Jewish Talmud]] and the ideas of ancient Greeks [[History of Embryology|such as Galen]], including their errors.<br />
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====Sperm Originates Between the Backbone and Ribs====<br />
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The Qur'an states, incorrectly, that semen originates from a spot between the backbone and ribs. Today we know sperm comes from the [[w:testicle|testicles]] and semen from the pelvic region, which is not between the spine and ribs.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-range|86|6|7}}|<br />
He is created from a drop emitted- Proceeding from '''between the backbone and the ribs''' }}<br />
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====Embryo is Formed from Male and Female Fluids====<br />
{{Main|Greek and Jewish Ideas about Reproduction in the Quran and Hadith}}<br />
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The author of the Qur'an describes the formation of a human embryo from fluids emanating from the man (and possibly also of the woman). This reflects the contemporary, but incorrect, view that the embryo is initially formed out of semen stored in the womb. In fact, semen is the vehicle for the sperm cells, one of which fuses with a woman's [[w:ovum|ovum]] in her [[w:fallopian tube|fallopian tube]], and the resulting cell divides and travels back into the womb for implantation. While English translations mention a "drop of seed", or "drop of sperm", the Arabic word in question literally means a small amount of liquid, a euphemism for semen.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-range|77|20|22}}|<br />
Did We not create you from a '''liquid disdained'''? And We placed it in a firm lodging For a known extent.}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-range|80|18|19}}|<br />
From what thing doth He create him? From a '''drop of seed'''. He createth him and proportioneth him}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-wi|76|2}}|Verily We created Man from '''a drop of mingled sperm''' [nutfatin amshajin], in order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), of Hearing and Sight.}}<br />
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====No Mention of Female Ovum====<br />
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The Qur'an's author did not mention the role of the ovum in human reproduction and appears to have no knowledge of it. This verse fails to mention the important role of the female egg, or ovum, plays in the reproduction of humankind. It implies that reproduction is caused simply by the male semen. The human ovum is very small, though visible to the human eye, and it's purpose wasn't understood in the 7th century. Again, we are left wondering why an all-knowing deity would omit such information.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|86|6}}|He is created from a drop emitted}}<br />
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====Humans Created from a Clot of Blood====<br />
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The Qur'an and Hadith depict that humans are formed from a clot of blood. There was never a stage in embryonic development where humans are formed into a clot of blood. This description is likely influenced by an unscientific and primitive understanding of human reproduction based on observations from an early-term miscarriage and a woman's menstrual cycle.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|96|2}}|<br />
Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood: }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|54|430}}|Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mus'ud: <br />
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“Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a '''clot of thick blood for a similar period''', and then a piece of flesh for a similar period.”}}<br />
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===All Organisms are Created in Pairs===<br />
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Not every creature procreates or reproduces through male and female sexual relationship. The [[w:Desert grassland whiptail lizard|whiptail lizard]] in the U.S. Southwest, Mexico, and South America, is an all-females species which reproduces by [[w:parthenogenesis|parthenogenesis]]. [[w:virus|Viruses]] reproduce using a host's DNA and are neither female nor male. [[w:Bacteria|Bacteria]] reproduce by cell division. [[w:Fungus|Fungus]] can reproduce either sexually or asexually. Many species of plants also reproduce either asexually or through [[w:Pollination|pollination]]. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|51|49}}|<br />
And of '''every thing''' We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction. }}<br />
{{Quote|{{Quran|36|36}}|<br />
Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs '''all things''' that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge. }}<br />
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===Womb has Three Layers===<br />
{{Main|Greek and Jewish Ideas about Reproduction in the Quran and Hadith|l1=Greek and Jewish Ideas about Reproduction in the Qur'an and Hadith}}<br />
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The word [http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume1/00000257.pdf butun] (بطن) means belly/abdomen/midriff, though some translators like to use the more specific word "womb". There are many more layers in the human body such as the endometrium, myometrium, perimetrium, peritoneum, besides the cervix uteri, corpus uteri, abdomen (with walls), and placenta (with layers). The idea of three membranes around the fetus (chorion, allantois, and amnion) was taught by the highly influential Greek physician, Galen. It is likely that the Quranic author is simply repeating this erroneous idea.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|39|6}}|<br />
He created you (all) from a single person: then created, of like nature, his mate; and he sent down for you eight head of cattle in pairs: He makes you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after another, in '''three veils of darkness'''. such is Allah, your Lord and Cherisher: to Him belongs (all) dominion. There is no god but He: then how are ye turned away (from your true Centre)? }}<br />
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===Bones are Formed before Flesh===<br />
{{Main|Embryology in the Quran|l1=Embryology in the Qur'an}}<br />
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The Qur'an explains that the bones of a human embryo are formed first and then covered up with flesh. Modern scientific studies and research have shown that the bones and muscles of a developing fetus are formed simultaneously. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|23|14}}|<br />
Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones then (not and) clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! }}<br />
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===Source and Purity of Milk===<br />
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The Qur'an states that milk is produced, in the body, somewhere between excretions and blood. The mammary glands, where milk is produced and stored, are nowhere near the intestines which is where excrement is stored. Many kinds of cattle and goat milk needs processing or pasteurization before they can safely be consumed; the milk is often infected with bacteria and other micro-organisms. A significant number of humans are [[Qur'an and Milk|lactose intolerant]] and unable to digest milk without experiencing abdominal bloating and cramps, flatulence, diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. This makes the Qur'anic claim that milk is 'pure' and 'agreeable' to those who drink it dubious.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|16|66}}|<br />
And verily in cattle (too) will ye find an instructive sign. From what is within their bodies '''between excretions and blood''', We produce, for your drink, milk, '''pure and agreeable''' to those who drink it. }}<br />
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===Corn has Seven Ears, Each with a Hundred Grains===<br />
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A corn plant generally has only one or two ears and an ear has up to 600 grains.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|261}}|<br />
The parable of those who spend their substance in the way of Allah is that of a grain of corn: it groweth seven ears, and each ear Hath a hundred grains. }}<br />
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==Geology and Meteorology==<br />
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===The Earth is Flat===<br />
{{Main|Flat Earth and the Quran|l1=Flat Earth and the Qur'an}}<br />
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====Facing Toward Mecca====<br />
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The Qur'an tells all Muslims to face in the direction of Mecca when they pray. However, this would only be possible on a flat Earth because it is not possible to bow down towards the direction of Mecca when you are on the opposite side of the earth. The author here presupposes a small world, local to Arabia, that is flat. Only in that world view can people everywhere face Mecca. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|149}}|<br />
From whencesoever Thou startest forth, turn Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque; that is indeed the truth from the Lord. And Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.}}<br />
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====Earth is Spread Out and Flat====<br />
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The author of the Qur'an mentions to his audience that the earth is 'spread out' and layed flat like a carpet spread on the ground. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|88|20}}|And at the Earth, how it is spread out?}}<br />
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The Qur'anic commentator al-Jalalayn in his Tasfir agrees with this understanding of the verse saying that most scholars at his time agree that the earth is flat and not spherical.<br />
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{{Quote|Tafsir al-Jalalayn |And the earth, how it was laid out flat?, and thus infer from this the power of God, exalted be He, and His Oneness? The commencing with the [mention of] camels is because they are closer in contact with it [the earth] than any other [animal]. As for His words sutihat, 'laid out flat', this on a literal reading suggests '''that the earth is flat, which is the opinion of most of the scholars''' of the [revealed] Law, and '''not a sphere as astronomers (ahl al-hay'a) have it''', even if this [latter] does not contradict any of the pillars of the Law.}}<br />
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====Earth is Like a Couch====<br />
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The earth is described as a couch, flat and laid out for people to lay upon.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|22}}|<br />
Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your dome; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth). }}<br />
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Ibn-Kathir in his Tafsir agrees with this interpretation that the earth is flat and comfortable like a bed.<br />
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{{Quote|Ibn-Kathir |who has made the earth as flat and comfortable as a bed and placed upon it mountains standing firm... (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Part 1) }}<br />
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====Earth is Like a Carpet====<br />
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The earth is described like a carpet, completely flat and spread out on the ground and not rolled up for storage. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|20|53}}|<br />
He Who has, made for you '''the earth like a carpet spread out'''; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|43|10}}|<br />
He Who has, made for you '''the earth like a carpet spread out'''; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others. }}<br />
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====Earth is a Wide Plain====<br />
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The author of the Qur'an sees the earth as a wide plain or expanse. This is often likened to a flat bed, as some translators put it. Again, the author seems unaware of the curvature of the earth or the fact that it is a sphere.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|78|6}}|Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, }}<br />
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====Earth is Level====<br />
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The Qur'an describes a time in the future when mountains will be removed leaving the earth smooth and level. This description assumes the earth is already flat and level with only the mountains giving it shape. The author here appears to have no knowledge that the earth is curved and not level.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|18|47}}|One Day We shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see '''the earth as a level stretch''', and We shall gather them, all together, nor shall We leave out any one of them.}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|20|105}}|They ask thee concerning the Mountains: say "My Lord will uproot them and scatter them as dust; He will '''leave them as plains smooth and level'''; Nothing crooked or curved wilt thou see in their place}}<br />
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===Earth has Seven Atmospheric Layers===<br />
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Some apologists believe the Qur'an describes the layers of the earth's atmosphere when it refers to the firmament and it's likeness on earth. However, scientists have determined that there are [[w:Atmosphere_of_Earth#Structure_of_the_atmosphere|five principal layers]] in the atmosphere and not seven.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|65|12}}|<br />
Allah is He Who Created '''seven''' firmaments and '''of the earth a similar number'''. Through the midst of them (all) descends His command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends all things In (His) Knowledge.)" }}<br />
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===The Earth does not Rotate===<br />
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The author of the Qur'an repeats a common view of the 7<sup>th</sup> century that the earth was a fixed and un-moving object with the stars, sun, and moon revolving around it. The author appears to be unaware that the earth is rotating around its axis and moving through space around the sun.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|27|61}}|<br />
Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as '''a fixed abode''', and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water). Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Nay, but most of them know not.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2232&Itemid=83 The Command to praise Allah and send Blessings on His Messengers]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|2=(Is not He Who has made the earth as a fixed abode,) meaning, '''stable and stationary, so that it does not move or convulse''', because if it were to do so, it would not be a good place for people to live on. But by His grace and mercy, He has made it smooth and calm, and it is not shaken or moved}}<br />
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===Permanent Barrier between Fresh and Salt Water===<br />
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When a fresh water river flows into the sea or ocean, there is a transition region in between. This transition region is called an [[w:estuary|estuary]] where the fresh water remains temporarily separated from the salt water. However, this separation is not absolute (thus cannot be described as a "barrier"), is not permanent, and the different salinity levels between the two bodies of water eventually homogenize. The Qur'an however erroneously says that the seperation between the two types of water is absolute and permanent. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|25|53}}| It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, '''a partition that is forbidden to be passed'''. }}<br />
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===Mountains Prevent Earthquakes===<br />
{{Main|The Quran and Mountains|l1=The Qur'an and Mountains}}<br />
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Modern geology has discovered that large plates in the crust of the earth are responsible for the formation of mountains. Called [[w:Plate tectonics|Plate tectonic]] these massive plates meet and the pressure between them pushes up the crust forming mountains but also causing earthquakes and faults. the Qur'an propagates the idea that mountains are crucial in stabilizing the earth when, in fact, the earth would be much more stable and have less earthquakes if mountains did not exist.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|16|15}}|<br />
And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves}}<br />
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===Mountains Cast into the Earth===<br />
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Mountains are usually formed through the movement of lithosphere plates. They were not thrown down into the earth.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|16|15}}|<br />
And He hath cast into the earth firm hills that it quake not with you, and streams and roads that ye may find a way }}<br />
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===Chest Contracts with Altitude===<br />
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This verse says that your chest cavity gets smaller with higher altitude when in reality the opposite is true.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|6|125}}|Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.}}<br />
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===Earthquakes are a Punishment from God===<br />
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Some of the highest death tolls from natural disasters in the last decade were in Muslim countries. In fact, natural disasters do not differentiate between Muslim or non-Muslim nations nor are they controlled by a divine being. Earth quakes are extremely common along tectonic fault lines and are not a punishment for human behavior but the byproduct of natural forces. The Qur'anic author perpetuates an unscientific understanding of his phenomena in there verses.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|16|45}}|<br />
Do then those who devise evil (plots) feel secure that Allah will not cause the earth to swallow them up, or that the Wrath will not seize them from directions they little perceive?}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|29|37}}|<br />
But they denied him, and the dreadful earthquake took them, and morning found them prostrate in their dwelling place. }}<br />
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===Hurricanes and Blizzards are a Punishment from God===<br />
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Two of the deadliest blizzards in history happened in Muslim countries. However, the Qur'an regards those natural disasters as violent punishment from God. Weather patterns follow predictable patterns and are not controlled by a divine being. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|17|68}}|<br />
Do ye then feel secure that He will not cause you to be swallowed up beneath the earth when ye are on land, or that He will not send against you a violent tornado (with showers of stones) so that ye shall find no one to carry out your affairs for you}}<br />
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===Rainwater is Pure===<br />
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The Qur'an says rainwater is pure, though in some industrial areas rainwater can contain significant amounts of pollution and acidity. Called [[w:Acid Rain|acid rain]] this type of rain causes harmful effects on plants, aquatic animals and buildings.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|25|48}}|<br />
And He it is Who sends the winds as good news before His mercy; and We send down pure water from the cloud, }}<br />
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===No Evaporation in Water Cycle===<br />
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Every verse about rain in the Qur'an implies that rain comes either directly from the sky or from Allah. However evaporation of water into the air is conspicuously never mentioned.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|43|11}}|<br />
That sends down (from time to time) rain from the sky in due measure;- and We raise to life therewith a land that is dead; even so will ye be raised (from the dead)}}<br />
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===Hail Comes from Mountains in the Sky===<br />
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Hail forms in cumulonimbus clouds when super-cooled water droplets freeze. However, the Qur'an mistakenly ascribed the formation of hail to invisible mountains in the sky.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|24|43}}|<br />
Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And '''He sends down from the sky mountain masses (of clouds) wherein is hail'''. He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases, the vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight. }}<br />
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===Thunder is an Angel===<br />
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The Qur'anic author was superstitious about thunder and imagined this natural phenomena as an angel.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|13|13}}|<br />
And the thunder declares His glory with His praise, and the angels too for awe of Him; and He sends the thunderbolts and smites with them whom He pleases, yet they dispute concerning Allah, and He is mighty in prowess.}}<br />
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Muslim sources, which explain this verse clearly, indicate that the author of the Qur'an believed that thunder was not an impersonal natural phenomenon, but an angel:<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=2&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=13&tAyahNo=13&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0 Tafsir Ibn-Abbas]|2=(The thunder hymneth His praise) by His command; '''it is an angel'''; it is also said: it is the voice of the sky (and (so do) the angels) and also the angels hymn His praise (for awe of Him) the angels have awe towards Allah. (He launcheth the thunder bolts) i.e. fire (and smiteth with them whom He will) He destroys by means of fire whoever He will, referring here to Zayd Ibn Qays whom Allah destroyed by fire, along with his friend ‘Amir Ibn al-Tufayl who was killed as a result of being stabbed in his waist (while they dispute (in doubt) concerning Allah) while they dispute with Muhammad (pbuh) concerning the Religion of Allah, (and He is mighty in wrath) His chastisement is severe }}<br />
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==Zoology==<br />
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===Bees Eat Fruit===<br />
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Bees feed on nectar and pollen. However, the Qur'an relates that bees consume fruit.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|16|68-69}}|<br />
And thy Lord taught the Bee to build its cells in hills, on trees, and in (men's) habitations; '''Then to eat of all the fruits (of the earth)''', and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colors, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought. }}<br />
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===Ants Recognize Humans and Speak with Each Other===<br />
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Ants typically communicate with each other using pheromone which are a chemical signal. While scientists have also discovered that ants make some noises, nothing has ever indicated that the brains of ants could produce such complex communication as is depicted in the Quranic story of Solomon and the ants. However, the Qur'an tells us that not only does an ant warn her fellow ants of the approach of a large army of humans, but it recognizes one of the humans as Solomon. Then, he also understands her speech. How an ant could even see that far or have known the identify of Solomon is never explained. This account of a talking ant is clearly a legend and not scientific.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-range|27|18|19}}|<br />
At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, '''one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it." So he smiled, amused at her speech;''' and he said: "O my Lord! so order me that I may be grateful for Thy favours, which thou hast bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may work the righteousness that will please Thee: And admit me, by Thy Grace, to the ranks of Thy righteous Servants." }}<br />
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===Horses Created as Transportation===<br />
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It took thousands of years of domestication and cross-breeding before horses were domesticated approximately 4,000 years ago in East Europe and Central Asia. Prior to this, horses were wild animals though the Qur'an neglects to mention this important fact. Even today [[w:Feral horse|feral horses]] are descendants of once domesticated horses that aren't tamed or used for human transportation. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|16|8}}|<br />
And (He has created) horses, mules, and donkeys, for you to ride and use for show; and He has created (other) things of which ye have no knowledge.}}<br />
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===Bird Flight is a Miracle===<br />
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Today, engineers and scientists are well aware of the aerodynamic properties of a bird's wing. It functions by creating a difference in the air pressure between the lower and upper part of the wing and this creates lift that pushes the bird upward. The wings of birds evolved over millions of years to acquire this feature. The author of the Qur'an, however, is unaware of these scientific details and says that 'nothing' holds up the bird except the miraculous power of Allah.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|16|79}}|<br />
Do they not look at the birds, held poised in the midst of (the air and) the sky? Nothing holds them up but (the power of) Allah. Verily in this are signs for those who believe}}<br />
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===Classification of Creatures===<br />
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The Qur'an observes that creatures of the desert move using their bellies (snake) or two legs (human) or four legs (cows, goats, etc.). However, the author fails to include insects such as millipedes that have a thousand legs.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|24|45}}|<br />
And Allah has created '''every''' animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills for verily Allah has power over all things. }}<br />
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===Only Eight Types of Cattle===<br />
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While the Qur'an states that there are eight kinds of cattle, In fact there are more than a dozen kinds of cattle. The word "cattle" in 39:6 is [http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000289.pdf al-ana'ami], meaning pasturing (i.e. grazing) animals. The word [http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume3/00000432.pdf azwajin] ("kinds" in the translation of 39:6 below) generally means mate or member of a pair. {{Quran|6|143-144}} clarifies that these refer to male and female pairs of sheep, goats, oxes and camels. This neglects other types of cattle from the regions outside of Arabia such as reindeer, which are important to people in northern latitudes. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|39|6}}|<br />
He created you from one being, then from that (being) He made its mate; and He hath provided for you of '''cattle eight kinds'''. He created you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation, in a threefold gloom. Such is Allah, your Lord. His is the Sovereignty. There is no Allah save Him. How then are ye turned away}}<br />
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===Birth Defects and Imperfections===<br />
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The author of the Qur'an states that there are no flaws in anything. The author fails to mention the numerous defects and imperfections in all species.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|67|3}}|<br />
Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in the Beneficent One's creation; then look again: Canst thou see any flaw?}}<br />
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===Poisonous Sea Life is Edible===<br />
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A number of sea creatures are deadly and fatal to humans if consumed. This includes the [[w:puffer fish|puffer fish]], [[w:poison dart frog|poison dart frong]], marbled cone snail, [[w:blue ringed octopus|blue ringed octopus]] and [[w:stonefish|stonefish]]. The Qur'an, however, makes no prohibition against eating these types of animals even though it goes into lengthy detail forbidding the consumption of pigs, which are safe for humans to eat. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|5|96}}|<br />
Lawful to you is the pursuit of water-game and its use for food,- for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel; but forbidden is the pursuit of land-game;- as long as ye are in the sacred precincts or in pilgrim garb. And fear Allah, to Whom ye shall be gathered back. }}<br />
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===Birds Fight Elephants===<br />
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Birds and elephants don't fight each other. In fact, African elephants and birds have a symbiotic relationship where the birds eat bugs and lice off of elephants [http://www.elephant-facts.co.uk/relationship-between-african-elephants-and-birds/]. The Qur'an here depicts a fanciful story of birds being directed to attack elephants and their riders during a battle.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-range|105|1|3}}|<br />
Sees thou not how Allah dealt with the companions of the elephants? Did He not make their plan into misguidance? And he sent against them flights of birds. }}<br />
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===Sinful Animals===<br />
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According to the Qur'an, all animals will be judged for their sins. This despite the fact that animals are not as self-aware as humans and operate almost exclusively on instinct.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|6|38}}|<br />
There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but (forms part of) communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end. }}<br />
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==History==<br />
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===Wall of Iron between Two Mountains===<br />
{{Main|Dhul-Qarnayn}}<br />
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The author of the Qur'an repeats the Syrian legend of Alexander the Great as a great king who helps a tribe of people build a massive wall of iron between two mountains. Even with satellites and near universal exploration of the world, no archaeologist has ever found even a trace of such a massive structure.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-range|18|96|97}}|<br />
"Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had '''filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides''', He said, "Blow (with your bellows)" Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead." Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.<br />
}}<br />
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===Christians Worship Mary as Part of the Trinity===<br />
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Christians have never worshiped Mary as part of the Trinity. The author of the Qur'an seems to be mistaken in his understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity and the theology of Christians throughout history. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|5|116}}|<br />
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden}}<br />
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===Mary Confused with Miriam ===<br />
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Each of the following verses narrates the story of Jesus's birth. But Mary the mother of Jesus was born in the first century BCE and is not related to Moses and his family that existed 1500 years before. Miriam, not Mary, was the sister of Moses and Aaron and daughter of Amram (Imran).<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|19|27-28}}|At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! '''O sister of Aaron!''' Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|66|12}}|And '''Mary, the daughter of 'Imran''', who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (her body) of Our spirit; }}<br />
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Hence the claim that Mary's mother is the wife of Imran is also false.<br />
{{Quote|{{Quran|3|35-36}}| Behold! '''a woman of 'Imran''' said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things." When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and Allah knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected." }}<br />
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===Coat of Mail was Invented during the Reign of David===<br />
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There is no evidence that Coats of mail existed during the time of David (10th century BCE). The earliest example of a coat of mail was Celtic.<ref>Rusu, M., "Das Keltische Fürstengrab von Ciumeşti in Rumänien", Germania 50, 1969, pp. 267–269</ref> Its invention is commonly credited to the Celts.<ref name="books.google.com">[http://books.google.com/books?id=HscIwvtkq2UC&pg=PA79&dq=laminar+armor&hl=en&ei=nOMGTqrNNfGv0AGWpbi6Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=laminar%20armor&f=true ''The ancient world'', Richard A. Gabriel, Greenwood Publishing Group, 2007 P.79]</ref><br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-range|34|10|11}}| And assuredly We gave David grace from Us, (saying): O ye hills and birds, echo his psalms of praise! And We made the iron supple unto him, Saying: Make thou long coats of mail and measure the links (thereof). And do ye right. Lo! I am Seer of what ye do. }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran-range|21|79|80}}| It was Our power that made the hills and the birds celebrate Our praises, with David: it was We Who did (all these things). It was We Who taught him the making of coats of mail for your benefit, to guard you from each other's violence: will ye then be grateful? }}<br />
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===Noah's Ark holds Every Species===<br />
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The legend of Noah and the Ark states that two of each kind of animal was placed on an ark. However, there are over a hundred thousand species of animals including penguins, polar bears, koala bears, and kangaroos that live spread across the entire planet and in different climates and requiring specialized diets. There is no way such an event could have occurred.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|11|40}}|<br />
At length, behold! there came Our command, and the fountains of the earth gushed forth! We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female, and your family - except those against whom the word has already gone forth,- and the Believers." but only a few believed with him. }}<br />
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===Pharaoh or Pharaohs===<br />
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Geographically, the Coptic land of Egypt was adjacent to Arabia. Thus, most Arabs were aware of the preservation method applied by the ancient Egyptian to their Pharaohs. There were so many Pharaohs ranging from numerous dynasties, many of them were preserved intact. But the Qur'an merely narrated one Pharaoh that was preserved.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|10|92}}|<br />
This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" }}<br />
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===Jews call Ezra the Son of God===<br />
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Historically, Judaism has been a strict form of monotheism. But the author of the Qur'an accuses Jews of polytheism by stating that they call Uzair (Ezra) the son of God in the same way that Christians see Jesus as the son of God. The author of the Qur'an seems to be unaware of the different theological implications of these two terms between Judaism and Christianity.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|9|30}}|<br />
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! }}<br />
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===Supernatural Destruction of Cities===<br />
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The Qur'an author thought that outside the vicinity of Arabia there were cities and tribes destroyed by Allah. He acquired this information through hearsay from Arabian folklore as well as other legends. Those cities and tribes probably were destroyed by natural disasters, famine, wars, migration or neglect. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|40|82}}|<br />
Do they not travel through the earth and see what was the End of those before them? They were more numerous than these and superior in strength and in the traces (they have left) in the land: Yet all that they accomplished was of no profit to them. }}<br />
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===Humans can Sleep for Three Hundred Years===<br />
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The oldest verified human life has been a little over 120 years. Humans cannot live without food and water for more than a few days. However, the Qur'an incorporated a myth from the 5<sup>th</sup> century legends of the [[Seven Sleepers of Ephesus in the Quran|Seven Sleepers of Ephesus]] who sleep in a cave for over 300 years and then miraculously awaken in perfect health. There is no historical evidence that this ever happened or could even been scientifically possible.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|18|11}}|<br />
Then We sealed up their hearing in the Cave for a number of years. }}<br />
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===Humans can Live for a Thousand Years===<br />
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The oldest verified human life has been a little over 120 years. Based on fossil records and testing on human remains, anthropologists have concluded that human life spans are increasing, not decreasing. Nevertheless, the Qur'an claims that Noah lived for almost 1,000 years.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|29|14}}|<br />
We (once) sent Noah to his people, and he tarried among them '''a thousand years less fifty''': but the Deluge overwhelmed them while they (persisted in) sin. }}<br />
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===Non-Existent Mosque in Jerusalem===<br />
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Muslims claim that Al-Aqsa mosque is mentioned in the Qur'an as the furthest mosque, even though there was obviously no mosque in Jerusalem during Muhammad's time.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|17|1}}|<br />
Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things). }}<br />
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==Sociology==<br />
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===Fasting and Prayer Requirements at the Poles===<br />
{{Main|The Ramadan Pole Paradox}}<br />
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The author of the Qur'an was apparently unfamiliar with the polar regions in which there are six months of sunlight and six months of perpetual night during winter and summer. The Qur'an claims that Muslims should fast from sunrise till sunset, however this is arguably not observable by anyone living in the polar regions.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|187}}|<br />
...then complete your fast Till the night appears;...}}<br />
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A similar issue exists for the five daily prayers. Anyone living in the polar region would not be able to make a sunset or sunrise prayer all year round. Even for cities further south like Aberdeen in Scotland, the gap between the night prayer (Isha) and the dawn prayer (Fajr) is around 4 and a half hours in June, so anyone following these rules has to interupt their sleep around 3.20am, then go back to sleep before getting up for the day. Such issues would not have crossed the mind of a 7th century man in Arabia, who believed that everyone experiences sunrise and sunset when he does, and where it would be perfectly natural to arise at dawn any time of the year.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|17|78}}|<br />
Establish regular prayers - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony.}}<br />
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===People are Protected in Mecca===<br />
{{Main|Hajj}}<br />
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The Qur'an claims Allah has made Mecca and the Ka'aba a place of safety. However, historically it has been attacked and seen battles numerous times. Juhayman al-Otaybi, Abd-Allah ibn al-Zubayr, and Abu Tahir al-Janabi killed thousands of Muslim pilgrims in Mecca. Moreover, Yazid Bin Muawiya sent an army battalion to attack Mecca and desecrated the Ka'aba. The universal safety of people in Mecca has no historical evidence supporting it.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|125}}|<br />
Remember We made the House a place of assembly for men and '''a place of safety'''; and take ye the station of Abraham as a place of prayer; and We covenanted with Abraham and Isma'il, that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer). }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|5|97}}|<br />
Allah made '''the Ka'ba, the Sacred House, an asylum of security for men''', as also the Sacred Months, the animals for offerings, and the garlands that mark them: That ye may know that Allah hath knowledge of what is in the heavens and on earth and that Allah is well acquainted with all things. }}<br />
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===All Animals Live in Communities===<br />
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Some animals such as the jaguar, leopard, and panda are well known for being solitary creatures, rarely meeting in pairs and only to mate. They do not live in communities and routinely fight each other over territory.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|6|38}}|<br />
There is not an animal (that lives) on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, '''but (forms part of) communities like you'''. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they (all) shall be gathered to their Lord in the end. }}<br />
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===Requirement to Learn in Arabic===<br />
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There are over 5,000 languages and dialects in the world, with less than 4% of the world's population being native Arabic speakers. However, it is incumbent upon Muslims to pray in Arabic, recite the Qur'an in Arabic, and understand commentaries and the traditions of Muhammad in Arabic. We are left wondering why an all-knowing being would not provide a more efficient way to send his message to all people on earth and why he does not account for the immense diversity of languages.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|43|3}}|<br />
We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom). }}<br />
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===Non-Muslims are Deaf, Dumb, and Blind===<br />
{{Main|Golden Age}}<br />
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The Qur'an calls non-believers "deaf dumb and blind". However all the technology, medicine, and scientific advancements in the Muslim world are almost exclusively purchased from the non-Muslim countries. Computers, television, space travel, helicopters, media players, nuclear bombs, cameras, satellites, birth control pills, vaccinations, telephones, radios, light bulbs, microchips, games consoles, refrigerators, microwaves, plastic, aluminium, x-rays, antibiotics, heart-transplants, the internet etc., were all invented by non-Muslims.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|18}}|<br />
Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path)}}<br />
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==Myths and Legendary Tales==<br />
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===Humans Transformed into Apes===<br />
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The Qur'an records a miraculous event where Sabbath breakers are transformed into apes. This account seems to be a mere legend and has no basis in scientific fact.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|65}}|<br />
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." }}<br />
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=== Golden Calf Statue Moos ===<br />
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A statue of a calf was cast out of ornaments but it could moo.<br />
{{Quote|{{Quran|20|88}}|So he brought forth for them a calf, a (mere) body, which had a mooing sound, so they said: This is your god and the god of Musa, but he forgot.}}<br />
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===Tribe Trapped Behind a Wall===<br />
{{Main|Dhul-Qarnayn}}<br />
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The story of Dhul-Qarnayn says that a tribe is trapped behind a massive wall of Iron. According to the Qur'an, these two beast tribes concealed themselves behind this metal wall and will only be let free on the day of Judgement. Obviously, no such wall has ever been found nor is there a tribe somewhere on earth trapped behind it.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|21|96}}|<br />
Until the Gog and Magog (people) are let through (their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every hill. }}<br />
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===Supernatural Food===<br />
{{Main|Parallelism Between the Qur'an and Judeo-Christian Scriptures}}<br />
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The Qur'an states Mary received food sent down from heaven. There have never been any scientifically verified accounts of fully cooked food falling from the sky.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|5|115}}|<br />
Jesus, son of Mary, said: O Allah, Lord of us! '''Send down for us a table spread with food from heaven, that it may be a feast for us''', for the first of us and for the last of us, and a sign from Thee. Give us sustenance, for Thou art the Best of Sustainers.}}<br />
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===A Stick Transforms into a Serpent===<br />
{{Main|Parallelism Between the Qur'an and Judeo-Christian Scriptures}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|7|107}}|<br />
Then (Moses) threw his rod, and behold! it was a serpent, plain (for all to see)! }}<br />
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===Solomon's Army of Genies and Birds===<br />
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Throughout history, kings and emperors had commanded huge and small amount of armies. None was ever recorded to possess armies that entirely consists of birds and genies. This story in the Qur'an draws on Jewish folklore.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|27|16-17}}|<br />
And Solomon was David's heir. He said: "O ye people! We have been taught the speech of birds, and on us has been bestowed (a little) of all things: this is indeed Grace manifest (from Allah.)And before Solomon were marshalled his hosts― of Jinns and men and birds, and they were all kept in order and ranks.}}<br />
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He spoke with a [[w:Hoopoe|Hoopoe]] bird and wanted to punish it for a small error.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|27|20-22}}|<br />
And he took a muster of the Birds; and he said: "Why is it I see not the Hoopoe? Or is he among the absentees? I will certainly punish him with a severe Penalty, or execute him, unless he bring me a clear reason (for absence).}}<br />
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The Hoopoe bird was in fact busy eavesdropping on a beautiful female ruler, Queen Sheba.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|27|23}}|<br />
I found (there) a woman ruling over them and provided with every requisite; and she has a magnificent throne.}}<br />
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===Jonah Performs Repentance inside a Fish===<br />
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A human could not live inside a fish and pray. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|37|142}}|<br />
Then the big Fish did swallow him, and he had done acts worthy of blame. Had it not been that he (repented and) glorified Allah,He would certainly have remained inside the Fish till the Day of Resurrection.But We cast him forth, on the naked shore in a state of sickness}}<br />
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===Muhammad Flies on a Winged Horse to Heaven===<br />
{{Main|Buraq}}<br />
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It took one week to travel from Mecca to the Farthest Mosque by camel. But the Qur'an reveals that a magical winged horse, called the Buraq, traveled a similar distance in a matter of minutes. No such creature has ever been shown to be real and it seems to only exist in legend and mythology.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|17|1}}|<br />
Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things). }}<br />
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===Body Parts Speak===<br />
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The limbs and organs of a human are controlled by the brain that conveys electrical signal through the nervous system. But the Qur'an believes that the limbs can talk and testify against the person, even though they would have no voice, memory or mind of their own.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|24|24}}|<br />
On the Day when their tongues, their hands, and their feet will bear witness against them as to their actions. }}<br />
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===The Ocean Split in Half===<br />
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Moses and the Israelites crossed an ocean that was split into two halves. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|50}}|<br />
And remember '''We divided the sea for you''' and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight. }}<br />
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===Solomon can Control the Wind===<br />
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King Solomon had the authority to manipulate the wind at his command and could fly anywhere he wanted.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|38|36}}|<br />
Then We subjected the wind to his power, to flow gently to his order, Whithersoever he willed }}<br />
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{{Quote|Ibn-Kathir | A flying carpet made from wood, on top of which he could carry everything in his kingdom including chairs, to wherever Solomon wants to go, whilst flocks of birds would fly over to give shade }}<br />
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===A Dead Man Testified against his Killer===<br />
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Scientifically, a man who has died for a few days can never be resurrected. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|2|72}}|<br />
And We said: Smite him with some of it. Thus Allah bringeth the dead to life and showeth you His portents so that ye may understand. }}<br />
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===Animals Speak to Humans===<br />
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The Qur'an states that a beast will come and tell humans the truth.<br />
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And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the '''earth a beast''' to (face) them: '''He will speak to them''', for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs. }}<br />
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===Mountains and Birds can Sing Songs===<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|34|10}}|<br />
And assuredly We gave David grace from Us, (saying): O ye hills and birds, echo his psalms of praise! And We made the iron supple unto him}}<br />
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==Others==<br />
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===Mathematical Error in Hereditary Laws===<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|4|11-12}}|<br />
4.11: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise. <br />
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4.12: In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing. }}<br />
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* Wife: 1/8 = 3/24,<br />
* Daughters: 2/3 = 16/24,<br />
* Father: 1/6 = 4/24,<br />
* Mother: 1/6 = 4/24,<br />
* '''Total''' = 27/24=1.125<br />
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The total does not equal to 1. This error can never be reconciled in any way. [http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html]<br />
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===People use the Forehead to Lie===<br />
{{Main|Quran and the Lying Prefrontal Cerebrum|l1=Qur'an and the Lying Prefrontal Cerebrum}}<br />
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Brain wave technology has shown that electrical activity happens in the entire brain when a person is being deceitful. <br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|96|15-16}}|<br />
Let him beware! If he desist not, We will drag him by the forelock. A lying, sinful forehead.}}<br />
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===Sailing of Ships is a Miracle ===<br />
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Ships float due to buoyancy and they can be driven by various sources of power.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|31|31}}| Seest thou not that the ships sail through the ocean by the Grace of Allah?- that He may show you of His signs? Verily in this are signs for all who constantly persevere and give thanks. }}<br />
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{{quote | {{cite quran|42|32|end=34|style=ref}} | And among His Signs are the ships, smooth-running through the ocean, (tall) as mountains.<br> If it be His Will He can still the Wind: then would they become motionless on the back of the (ocean). Verily in this are Signs for everyone who patiently perseveres and is grateful.<br> Or He can cause them to perish because of the (evil) which (the men) have earned; but much doth He forgive. }}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|17|66}}| Your Lord is He That maketh the Ship go smoothly for you through the sea, in order that ye may seek of his Bounty. For he is unto you most Merciful. }}<br />
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===Space Flight is Impossible ===<br />
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The first space ships and travel beyond the atmosphere of earth occurred over 60 years ago. With current technology, humankind has already explored the end of the solar system. The Qur'an however, implies that going beyond the earth is forbidden.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|55|33}}|<br />
O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass! }}<br />
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==References==<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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{{Hub4|Contradictions and Errors|Contradictions and Errors}}<br />
* [[Scientific Errors in the Qur'an (Response)]] <br />
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[[Category:Qur'an]]<br />
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[[Category:Inconsistencies]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=User_talk:213.93.143.224&diff=112282User talk:213.93.143.2242015-04-26T16:10:03Z<p>Sahab: reply to anon</p>
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Hi anon! I've removed your message from that page and will answer you here (if you look at our [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#I_know_a_great_book.2Fblog.2Fwebsite_you_could_use_to_improve_the_wiki._What_should_I_do.3F FAQ], you will see that if you want us to look at something it must be emailed to us, as posting it on that other page can be construed as a form of promotion/spam). Back to your query: our Contradictions page is a list that collects and summarises the various issues. It's not meant to be indepth, and no, we're not a dialogue site so we do not respond to obscure apologists and random websites. Each contradiction should ideally have a link under its section (that says "Main Article") that leads to an indepth look at that particular issue. Some of them have this already, some don't (meaning they have not been created by any users yet). So basically, if they will be created, they will be crated when an editor here decides to. Or else if you wan't to cover the counter apologetics, then you should join and start creating drafts for full articles in a sandbox. Probably not the answer you're looking for. Sorry about that. As to the article itself. It's not that impressive and they seem to be responding to the site, Answering-Islam, which has nothing to do with us. Additionally, that website is not even a proper Muslim website. It appears to be run by a Submitter. They're about as Muslim as I am. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 09:10, 26 April 2015 (PDT)</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Discussions/Visitor_Inquiries&diff=112281WikiIslam:Discussions/Visitor Inquiries2015-04-26T15:53:29Z<p>Sahab: -</p>
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==Donations==<br />
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Terrific job guys -- keep up the good work. Do you have a donate button? Haqir<br />
:Welcome Haqir and thanks! Yes we do. You can find it [[WikiIslam:Join_Our_Team#Donations|here]] --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] 00:12, 26 October 2011 (PDT)<br />
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== Link ==<br />
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Can someone give this link a good home? [http://www.islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=259:sexual-slavery-and-concubinage-in-islam&catid=111:fakhour&Itemid=58 Islam-Watch.org:sexual-slavery-and-concubinage-in-islam ]<br />
:Done. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 08:50, 28 November 2009 (PST)<br />
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==Help==<br />
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justification_of_Terrorism_in_Islam<br />
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Some muslims i think are trying to Delete this article. because it shows what islam really teaches<br />
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Please help me.<br />
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go here, which is a the place to discuss wether the article should be deleted or not.<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Justification_of_Terrorism_in_Islam<br />
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and '''write keep in the discussion'''. So it doesnt get deleted.<br />
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Also pelase dont act islamphobic over there. Because you know wikipedia sucks up to Islam/ and if you cant islamaphobic it will be deleted. {{unsigned|86.18.223.124}}<br />
:There's no such thing as Islamophobia, but I know what you mean. The problem is that there are active dawa teams over on WikiPedia - at least two that I know of; the Sunni side and the Shia side. Their main purpose is to keep the wiki articles over there presenting Islam in the best possible light. Of course the minor goal of each team is to present themselves as the "right sect" and the others as "wrong"; so at any given time, depending on who edited last (Sunni/Shia) then the Sunni's are the minority who are going to burn in hell, or vice versa. So I understand the problem you are having; and that is the REASON why WikiIslamn was created in the first place, due to frustration of editors because legitimate content would keep getting removed because of these teams and also the dhimmi ignoramuses.<br />
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:But hey, thanks for calling us "islamophobes" - really appreciated (NOT). [[User:Sanitarium|Sanitarium]] 20:27, 14 November 2009 (PST)<br /><br />
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== Question about Koran Translations online ==<br />
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I hope this is the right place to pose a question.<br />
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I have decided to devote some time every day to reading the koran hadith et all. <br />
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1 I have read here that many translations have been whitewashed. Is there an accurate translation online I can access?<br />
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2 I have found a site that seems good (it is by and for muslims and has mulitple translations by Ahmed Raza Khan (Mohammed Aqib Qadri), Yusuf Ali and Pickthal. These translations of each line are presented side by side. There is another site with a translation by H M Shakir<br />
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But before I devote time to reading from these sites-<br />
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a) It is said that the Koran is arranged in "order" from largest chapter to shortest. But on the site I found that isn't a smooth shift from most verses to least verses. This is what I mean:<br />
Chap 5 120 verses<br />
chap 6 165 verses<br />
chap 7 206 verses<br />
chap 8 75 verses<br />
chap 9 129 verses<br />
chap 10 109 verses<br />
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And so on. What I Really need to know is- '''Are there verses being intenionally left out in these translations?''' Or is it amount of words per chapter only, not number of verses that determines the length?<br />
:This page is for issues about anything on WikiIslam, not general Islam stuff. This is the right place ,the FFI forum -> [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=21]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 15:46, 11 January 2011 (PST)<br />
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== IRC?==<br />
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Have you considered opening a chat room like #wikiislam on irc.freenode.net where dialogue can occur between skeptics and Muslims in chat? --[[User:Sonja|Sonja]] 20:59, 28 January 2011 (PST)<br />
:That would be nice but there's only a few of us regular editors here and we dont have the time to chat or moderate chat. People are asked to go to forums on other websites. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 21:05, 28 January 2011 (PST)<br />
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== Jannah ==<br />
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I can't seem to find an article specifically on paradise - there's one for Jahannam but not for Jannah. I know the site's purpose is to criticize Islam but I think a pretty good case can be made against the Islamic heaven (sex slavery, no broadband etc.). I'm not a scholar of Islam so I'm reluctant to start one myself. -[[User:Orange124|Orange124]] 10:39, 2 June 2011 (PDT)<br />
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:Yeah, ATM we do have some articles related to heaven (72 virgins etc.) and a lot of primary sources ([http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Heaven here]) but we have no main/general article discussing everything. I'll add it to our to-do list. Thanks! --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] 10:42, 2 June 2011 (PDT)<br />
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==Any interest in project to categorize the koran verses for sql database?==<br />
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i've described it at FFI forum post & currently just getting started<br />
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http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10270<br />
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one approach would be for me to post an article with all the koran verses & initial category assignments (or something i'm new at this wiki stuff) and let people edit the verses to assign categories, then download the article & use as new data for the sql queries<br />
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defining the categories & assigning them to the verses is a very open ended task and can be done ranging from simple (a flat category structure & maybe a dozen categories) to complex (a 10 level category tree with 100s of categories)<br />
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for me the appeal is having functionality to query the verses based on categories, like - show all verses with categories = violence against unbelievers, show all verses with categories = theology and legal (or however the lack of seperation church/state is represented in the cats)<br />
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just having a list of verses & categories is nice but not sure how useful this list is unless can query or show them somehow. example website with verses categorized is the skeptics etc<br />
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/<br />
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thanks<br />
:Hi Ecks, thanks for your reply to my message on the FFI forum about that post you linked. The main problem is that there arent many editors on this site, its just me and Gabe right now and we dont have any time to work on this, so you'll have to do everything yourself but we can guide you. On the wiki you can make pages and links and tables and so on. There arent any database functions. 6000 verses means it will be a huge project for one person<br />
:I saw the site you linked in your reply [http://www.cspipublishing.com/statistical/index.html], the graphs look good.<br />
:We can teach how to make Wiki pages and edit here, and answer your questions, but basically you're on your own and you'll have to judge if what you want to do can be wholelly or partially achieved on this site. You can tell us what features you need and we can tell what is possible here and you can see if it will meet your needs. This wiki atmosphere is text based: links between pages, images, tables (sortable) etc. -- [[User:Axius|Axius]] 17:27, 26 July 2011 (PDT)<br />
::Hi Axius - ok i will just continue as planned & when i get closer to being finished then explore posting more info here at wikiislam. it's clearly possible to do a flat category structure just using html & links into koran verses (thats what the skeptics site does) but i wanted more than that :) which is why i'm planning for sql. automating all that page creation is the way to go, some jscript to read the sql data & emit the html pages, then just upload them etc<br />
:::Ok sounds good. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 16:25, 27 July 2011 (PDT)<br />
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this project fizzled out. i learned alot but not worth the effort to finish, see the post mortem notes at FFI link about. i guess this whole entry can be deleted ?<br />
--[[User:Ecks why|Ecks why]] 14:07, 5 September 2011 (PDT)<br />
:Thats ok, this will be archived when the we archive all the sections on this page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 14:44, 5 September 2011 (PDT)<br />
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::Terrific idea. Should be done sometime. -Haqir<br />
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== WikiIslam run by the same guy?==<br />
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I notice this website is neutral to biased against islam.<br />
Is this website writen by many christians?<br />
As the christianwiki, is definately extremely pro christian biased. <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:60.242.71.160|60.242.71.160]] ([[User talk:60.242.71.160|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/60.242.71.160|contribs]]) {{#if:04:19, 13 March 2012|&#32;on 04:19, 13 March 2012|}} </small><br />
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:This wiki is an independent one, so if you're trying to suggest there is some sort of connection with this site to other wikis, you'd be wrong. Doing a quick Google search, I found that there is a [http://wikichristian.org/index.php/Main_Page WikiChristian], and they are pro-Christian. It would be, considering it is obviously owned by a Christian and they make this clear by having a "Statement of Faith" and the first words you read on the main page is "Welcome to WikiChristian! God bless you."<br />
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:The owner of WikiIslam is atheist, and the majority of editors/contributors are either atheist or agnostic. There are also Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim and Zoroastrian editors/contributors. But seriously, how is the religious affiliation of editors a concern for anyone? The wiki is open to all critics so long as they adhere to our policies and guildlines. If their personal beliefs go against TOE, which the site supports, it's not our concern, and we're not in the habit of interrogating our editors and contributors. <br />
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:BTW, that has been covered in our FAQ already ([http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_is_the_religious_persuasion_of_the_contributors_to_WikiIslam.3F Link]). --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] 04:59, 13 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::User60.242.71.160, apparently you have inspired one of your co-religionists to post a Yahoo!Answers [http://archive.is/http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121209052050AAXMKca question] titled, "Why is WikiIslam run by the same guy who runs WikiChristian?" <br />
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::This is a great display of how morally bankrupt pious Muslims can become. Deciding to fabricate a lie in an attempt to discredit the site (in a similar vein to how they tend to scream "[[Glossary_of_Islamic_Terms#C|Christian Missionary]]" at everyone, regardless of the critic's beliefs or occupation).<br />
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::He claims, "Just a whois lookup gave it away". But, as the Yahoo!Answers user named Anjali helpfully pointed out in reply to this Muslim, the whois lookup shows nothing of the sort. WikiChristian.org/com etc., is run by [http://archive.is/http://www.whoisxy.com/t3resultpage.aspx?type=domain&q=wikichristian.com&rid=239521 an individual from India], WikiIslam's [http://archive.is/http://www.whoisxy.com/t3resultpage.aspx?type=domain&q=wikiislam.com&rid=239522 registration is private] (clearly this apologist is one of the [[Muslim Statistics (Education and Employment)|many illiterate people]] who follow Islam). --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 21:55, 9 December 2012 (PST)<br />
:::Just for the record, in his continuing campaign to spread lies about WikiIslam, the same Muslim has opened [http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121213004152AApgYUt another question] on Yahoo!Answers. This time he's claiming we are an Islamic site, but we called him a "moron" for his imaginary edits on an article related to science and banned him. Any user/reader here can check our related talk pages, edit summaries and block logs. Doing so would reveal that this claim is false. We expect editors to be civil to one another on this site. Calling another editor (Muslim or non-Muslim) a "moron" would in itself earn you a ban here. Oh, and we know this Y!A member reads our forum messages, so just for his benefit, science does not say [[Creation_of_Humans_from_Clay#The_Scientific_Hypothesis|man was created ''from'' clay]]. --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 14:42, 20 December 2012 (PST)<br />
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== History of Jihad ==<br />
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WHY was the HISTORY OF JIHAD section removed? (anon IP)<br />
:The HOJ series of articles was removed due to multiple reasons, one of them being use of inappropriate language and text that was not suitable for this site (specific quotes can be provided if needed). There were also no inline citations that would confirm the validity of what was being said (this is a core policy for our articles). There is also no known authorship. In other words, we don't know who wrote it. HOJ was imported to this site a long time ago and that time we had little content and no policies. HOJ used to exist on its own site [http://www.historyofjihad.org] but it looks like its offline right now. Here's one copy ---> http://islam-watch.org/HistoryOfJihad/index.html --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 13:19, 24 March 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Anon will probably never see this message, but the History of Jihad site is back up. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 03:05, 2 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Arabic word nikah ==<br />
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IS there a page regarding the details of arabic word nikah , which means "sexual intercourse" ? and why quran uses that word for marriage in several passages ?<br />
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:Hi anon. No, we haven't at the moment, but it's on our very log to-do list. You may be interested in [http://www.translatingjihad.com/2011/03/update-fatwa-it-is-permissible-to-have.html?showComment=1299979475816#c4843074915730208352 these comments/posts] by Greenforest that covers the meaning of nikah. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 23:27, 14 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Mirror? ==<br />
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This site is blocked in some countries; any chance of creating a mirror that might allow direct access without having to use a proxy service?<br />
:The mirror would probably also be blocked eventually. They'll have to use proxy or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29 TOR]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 04:57, 20 June 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== First article page created. Now I have questions ==<br />
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I've created my first article here (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quranic_Error:_Mary,_the_mother_of_Jesus_or_the_sister_of_Moses%3F)<br />
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Since I'm new to wiki editing, I was wondering if someone could see if i've used the guidelines and standardization in the correct way so far. Just a little test to see if I'm on the right track. I definately do not want to pollute this website.<br />
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Also I have this question: What do I do when an article is not finished? For now I have the words "Under Construction" at the top of the article. But this is sort of a work around. I haven't found a way to work on the article offline so that it can be published only when its finished. So I was forced to save the page and make it clear that it's still under construction. But perhaps there is a more conventional way to deal with these situations?<br />
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Also, feel free to, if you're a native English speaker, fine tune my English here and there. Since English is not my first language, I doubt at times whether my style is recognizable and not too 'Dutch', if that makes sense. [[User:Truthseeker|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker|talk]]) 12:38, 30 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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: I've added the "under construction" template to the page (to do this, just add ''<tt><nowiki>{{Underconstruction}}</nowiki></tt>'' to the top of any page). As long as that is placed on the page, it is fine. So don't feel that you have to rush yourself.<br />
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: I'm wondering, how many articles do you have to import? I think it's best if we wait for you to finish importing them all and then add them to the new articles list as a complete series (we can give them their own "front page" [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Parallelism_Between_the_Qur'an_and_Judeo-Christian_Scriptures like here], and of course you can continue adding new pages to it).<br />
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: You will also notice that I've moved the page to a title without any special characters (taking out these ''': , ?'''). This is because those characters tend to break incoming links. We get around it by adding this template at the bottom: ''<tt><nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:Qur'anic Errors: Mary, the Mother of Jesus or the Sister of Moses?}}</nowiki></tt>'' --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 04:43, 31 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:: I have only a few. I was hoping others could pick up the series. But I now think it's best to not use numbers for episodes. But like you said, after we have a few the articles they can be added to lists. I'm not as fast as I would be in Dutch, so it may take some time to finish the articles.[[User:Truthseeker|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker|talk]]) 12:16, 31 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Whoops! All Quran quotes fail ?? ==<br />
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It seems that the cmje.org website you refer to for Quran quotes is offline. Is this temporarily or should we start looking for a different Quran-quote template?<br />
:Yea you're right its offline. I've written to the website owners and asked if its going to be back up. Otherwise there were some duplicate copies of that website on other places the last time I checked and we can switch. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 21:12, 30 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
::Looks like they got the site back up: http://cmje.org/ . --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 10:15, 1 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
:: It looks like it's down. --[[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 5:18, 27 August 2014 (CMT)<br />
:::They have been using another url: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/ They went from usc.edu to Cmje.org and then back to usc.edu. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:37, 28 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Assisting more experienced article writers ==<br />
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I have a question.<br />
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I'm sure there are men and women here with alot of academic experience who have started to write on extensive complex articles.<br />
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Would it be an idea that perhaps less experienced editors could assist in doing some of the research work or doing some standardization work for them? This could save the experienced ones alot of time. <br />
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I myself would like to volunteer to be one of those assistance if anyone feels they require help with their article.<br />
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Just throwing it out there.<br />
[[User:Truthseeker|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker|talk]]) 12:19, 31 July 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the offer! Much appreciated. I'm not aware of anything at the moment, but will let you know. There's always something on the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Tasks tasks page] if you find yourself at a loss for something to do (but note that some of the tasks may be out of date, so it would be best to check with us first). --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 05:27, 1 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== It is possible to have sex with a death woman in Islam. ==<br />
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I just red on line what Saturday, 28 April 2012 the Al Arabia News wrote ( a newspaper owned by the Saudi king).<br />
Egypt's women urge MPs not to pass early marriage, and sex-after-death laws. If they pass the law, it will allow men to have sex with their own wife up to 6 hours after her death. The women are anyway just object there, that law would show even more how disturbed their mind is. Please people give some good idea where can I make people aware about this disgusting thing in the media. I don't see any problem if this will bring more tension between Muslims and non Muslims if that is a fact.<small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Szultan44|Szultan44]] ([[User talk:Szultan44|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Szultan44|contribs]]) {{#if:10:54, 11 August 2012|&#32;on 10:54, 11 August 2012|}} </small><br />
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:Hi Szultan44. Such questions are better suited to the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum]. Open a thread under the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=d49039027d61629d68981293d3281497 Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained] or [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=21&sid=d49039027d61629d68981293d3281497 The Quran and Hadith] sub forums, and you should receive an answer. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 13:35, 11 August 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== My article still under construction ==<br />
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My article http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Refuting_Apologists_Jews_Christians_and_Sabiens_can_go_to_heaven still have under construction template. Why ? <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Azdahaexm|contribs]]) {{#if:05:00, 3 September 2012|&#32;on 05:00, 3 September 2012|}} </small><br />
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:Hi Azdahaexm. It's not ready. I haven't got around to fixing the formatting etc., yet. I'm snowed-under trying to keep the other pages up-to-date. There are also a few points I would like to add to the article. I'm sorry that it's not on our new articles list yet, but the important thing is that it's here and should eventually be added. I hope you don't mind the delay too much. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 07:09, 3 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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::Thanks friend. No I didn't mind at all. Infact I have done some more changes. thanks --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 11:05, 4 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
:::Hi Azdahaexm. The article has now been added. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 04:46, 11 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
::::Thank you so much<br />
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== Underline in editor ==<br />
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I couldn't find "underline" option in Editor. Is is possible to add that ? --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 11:46, 4 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:I'm sure Axius could add that if need be, but (with the exception of our very own Prophet [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Farsideology Farside]) we don't really use underline in articles. We usually stick with using bold within quotes or otherwise italics for emphasis. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 12:57, 4 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:: LOL@Prophet Farside... I also sometimes need underline . Sometimes I have to bold the complete statement but to give more emphasize on certain words in the whole statement so I use underline for that. --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 13:30, 4 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:::Oh, cool. You could try adding italics to the bolded text like this:<br />
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:::{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|92|399}}| Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "People will not stop asking questions till they say, 'This is Allah, the Creator of everything, '''then ''who'' created Allah?''' "}}<br />
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:::How's that? --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 13:41, 4 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks, yes i already did that , if you read my article, in commentary of "Biyanul Quran" I have italicized some words in the beginning. But I think underline will be better. :)<br />
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:::::Sorry. I hate saying no but I'll have to here. :( It's to keep our pages consistent in style and content (I think the underlining of text was seen as being messy and hard on the eyes). WikiIslam hasn't used underline in it's pages since 2006 (long before I ever made my first edit or even heard of the site). --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 02:13, 5 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:::::: I was about to say the same that if it goes against the standard or looks messy then there is no need to add it. - {{unsigned|Azdahaexm}}<br />
:::::::Wikipedia has an Underline template [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Underline], which interestingly is not used much [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&limit=500&target=Template%3AUnderline&namespace=0]. On their manual of style it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#How_not_to_apply_emphasis says] ''"Underlining is used in typewriting and handwriting to represent italic type. Generally, do not underline text or it may be confused with links on a web page."'' (the links issue is also what I agree with too), so yes we're OK as we are without it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:12, 5 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Appropriate to refute Quranists ? ==<br />
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As we all know there is an emerging sect that claim to follow ONLY QURAN [Quranists]. Although there are many many refutations to Quranists for their claim that hadiths are not part of Islam or Quran was the only revelation but one of the most well documented and precise is at www.call-to-monotheism.com [islamic apologetic website]. Is it appropriate to create pages using this work to refute claims of Quranists ? I mean such kind of articles are appropriate for wikiislam ? --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 00:56, 8 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:We focus on mainstream Islamic beliefs but we do have one page dealing with Qur'anists [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an_Only_Islam_-_Why_it_is_Not_Possible here]. I guess you could expand the information on that page, but I don't see the need for more pages on the same thing. We also have to be careful that we do not plagiarize other's work. Taking ideas from them is fine but it cant be the same. Funny thing about Qur'anists is that I was a Muslim most of my life and have never met one. You cant escape their babble on the internet but they hardly seem to exist in the real world. One of life's great mysteries.:)<br />
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:On another note, I wanted to ask you is there a reason you use the Sahih International translation? We like to use either Yusuf Ali's, Marmaduke Pickthal's or M. H. Shakir's translations from the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Compendium_of_Muslim_Texts Compendium of Muslim Texts]. Would it be okay for me to change the Qur'an translations on the article to one of these? --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 03:49, 8 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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:: Hahaha, you are right, but i have two of my cousins who are quranists, anyways , i will see what i can add to the page you have posted. About translation , there is no special reason to use Sahih International's quran except it is easily accessible via links like http://quran.com/1/1 and it is very close to the word to word provided by [http://corpus.quran.com Corpus Quran]. Feel free to change translations, I will keep this in mind and will use the above mentioned translations in future and I will change translations for my current article. Thanks --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 10:40, 8 September 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== Muhammad and his Wives ==<br />
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I think this article is probably ready to go live.<br />
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There are still a couple of references missing, but I think we have reached the stage where it is not worth delaying publication over them. I will add those references as I locate them.<br />
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I may also want to add a couple of small details in the future, but they will not change any major argument or even the flow of a paragraph. They are just details that add life to the character portrayals, but so far I have only read them in secondary (or tertiary or quaternary...) sources.<br />
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I suspect my page on Khadija can now replace the existing page on Khadija, and my introductory page, which includes a link to a list of Muhammad's unconsummated marriages, can replace the existing "List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines".<br />
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My pages on Safiya and Mariya should not replace the existing pages, as the latter are analytical articles, whereas my pages are biographies. However, I have added links for further reading.[[User:1234567|1234567]] ([[User talk:1234567|talk]]) 21:23, 20 October 2012 (PDT)<br />
:Great. As I mentioned previously, Axius will have to read through it before adding it. He's going to be busy for the next week or so and won't be logging in very often, so it will probably be after that. If it was a normal article, I could have done it but this is a massive addition. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 02:55, 21 October 2012 (PDT)<br />
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== New Editor ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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I'm a new editor, I wish to contribute my articles on Islamic miracle claims to this site. How do I get about doing this?<br />
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[[User:Nahar Varma|Nahar Varma]] ([[User talk:Nahar Varma|talk]]) 04:15, 10 December 2012 (PST)<br />
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:Welcome to WikiIslam! Nice to have you here. If you want to work on an article from scratch, you can click this link: [[User:Nahar Varma/Sandbox]]. If you have an article already written, you can go to [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#How_to_Create_a_New_Page this page] and enter the desired page title into the box, then press the "Create page" button. Be sure to add this template to the top of the page while it is formatted etc: <nowiki>{{Underconstruction}}</nowiki>. I will leave our welcome template on your user-talk page because it contains a lot of useful links to help you get the hang of wiki editing, but feel free to ask for additional assistance when needed.--[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 04:29, 10 December 2012 (PST)<br />
::hi Nahar, good to see you here. I'm the person who responded to your email. Nahar had sent the following email ([http://www.debunkingbucailleism.blogspot.com blog]):<br />
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{{Quote||Hello,<br />
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I am interested in studying different religions, although personally I'm not religious; I am a Deist. <br />
I came across scientific miracle claims in the Qur'an in early 2011. I soon came across your website, <br />
and inspired by it, I have started my own blog refuting the claims of Islamic Bucailleists: www.debunkingbucailleism.blogspot.com<br />
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The articles refuting miracle claims are very good, but there are too few of them, hence I'd like to contribute. <br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nahar Varma}}<br />
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::Nahar, today I'll go over your site and then comment here.--[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 05:25, 10 December 2012 (PST)<br />
:::Ok, Nahar, I guess you will have to go over [[Islam and Science]] yourself and see if your arguments are already present there or in one of the sub-articles. You would start from your first article (written in September, when you started the blog). I liked what you had in this post [http://www.debunkingbucailleism.blogspot.com/2012/09/three-criteria-for-scientific.html Three Criteria for Scientific Foreknowledge]. I see some of that has been covered in our Islam and Science introduction (we have 4 points and you have 3).<br />
:::My suggestion: The steps for you would be to go over what we have on our site and get an idea of the types of pages we have and then go to your blog one by one and see where you can add your content. We may not have some topics that you have. Then for example after checking the articles for September, you see that some stuff should be added on our site, let us know what you think you should do. The language should of course be changed to 3rd person. Sorry I could not give a detailed/helpful analysis of what should be done but I'm pressed for time. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 21:04, 11 December 2012 (PST)<br />
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== Criticisms of other religions Wiki ==<br />
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Does your group or any group that you know of plan or have a Wiki devoted to criticisms of each major religion in the world?<br />
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[[Special:Contributions/97.85.168.22|97.85.168.22]] 17:49, 25 April 2013 (PDT)<br />
:No we don't. The closest I can think of is [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page rational wiki] (See [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Religion Category:Religion]) but their focus is wide and not specifically on religion. I dont know of any other wikis that criticize other religions. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:55, 25 April 2013 (PDT)<br />
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== help needed to build new article==<br />
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hi. who is admin of this site? if i want to build new article, can you help me ? [[User:Yahoo|Yahoo]] ([[User talk:Yahoo|talk]]) 08:04, 21 May 2013 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Yahoo. Welcome to WikiIslam! There are many administrators/editors. I am one of them and will help in any way I can. Have a read through the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Policies_and_Guidelines policies]. When you're ready you can [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#How_to_Create_a_New_Page create a page here] or use a sandbox ([[User:Yahoo/Sandbox]]).[[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 10:05, 21 May 2013 (PDT)<br />
::thanks. can anyone make cite web and book like wikipedia ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cite_web & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cite_book <br />
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and can someone give me classical islamic history book(ibn sa`d, tabari, waqedi, etc) and tafsir(tabari, etc) in english text ? i don't have them. [[User:Yahoo|Yahoo]] ([[User talk:Yahoo|talk]]) 11:33, 21 May 2013 (PDT)<br />
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how i can link to external web sites ? [[User:Yahoo|Yahoo]] ([[User talk:Yahoo|talk]]) 11:49, 21 May 2013 (PDT)<br />
:hi Yahoo, we do have a [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Cite_web Cite web] and its used in a few articles but I still need to change its output format (its input format will still be identical to Wikipedia). We have a [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Reference_archive reference archive] template but it only works with [http://www.webcitation.org/ WebCite]. I would say, use WebCite and use the reference archive template for now. Examples of use can be seen on the template page or in any of the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Reference_archive usage] links.<br />
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:We can provide some sources later on. What kind of articles do you plan on making? <br />
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:You can get online Tafsirs from sites like http://www.altafsir.com/ and quote them using the [[Template:Quote|quote]] template. <br />
:The article you made will need to have its headings capitalized. I think its a good idea. It will take time to look for all the links because there are so many and new ones are coming up all the time. I think if a fair number of links can be collected, the article can be presentable. Good luck with its completion. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 16:56, 21 May 2013 (PDT)<br />
:#Qur'an in English: [http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/ this] site provides 34 compared English translations, and [http://iknowledge.islamicnature.com/quran/surah/1/lang/englishliteral/ this] site provides the English literal translation<br />
:#Hadiths in English: [http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/ Compendium of Muslim Texts], and [http://www.searchtruth.com/hadith_books.php this] site includes a few narrations that have been removed from the Compendium.<br />
:#Tafsirs in English: [http://www.theholybook.org/content/section/1/2/ ], [http://www.altafsir.com/Ibn-Abbas.asp ], [http://www.altafsir.com/Al-Jalalayn.asp ] and [http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=1 ].<br />
:#Sira literature: [http://www.justislam.co.uk/images/Ibn%20Ishaq%20-%20Sirat%20Rasul%20Allah.pdf ] and [http://www.soebratie.nl/religie/hadith/IbnSad.html]. <br />
:#Fiqh: [http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.islamicbulletin.com/free_downloads/resources/reliance_complete.pdf&date=2011-03-16 ] and [http://bewley.virtualave.net/Risalatitl.html ].<br />
:#Fatwa websites in English: [http://islamqa.info/en ] and [http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/ ]. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 19:35, 21 May 2013 (PDT)<br />
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==Scientific Method==<br />
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A publicly editable web page purports that Alhazen was the father of modern scientific method. Though he may have made some advances in optics, I do not believe this is true. I am interested in improving the page. Who might be a more accurate figure of the same or earlier era, who contributed significantly to the development of scientific method? [[User:Devraj|Devraj]] ([[User talk:Devraj|talk]]) 20:28, 4 July 2013 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Devraj. I did a quick Google search and could not find such a page. Anyhow, you can work on an article here: [[User:Devraj/Sandbox]]. This particular page is a response to a specific publication, so any article on Alhazen will have to be separate from it. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 20:46, 4 July 2013 (PDT)<br />
Hi Sahabah, <br />
The page I'm referring to is Wikipedia's "Scientific Method" page. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method].I would appreciate any link to a source that shows that scientific experimentation was undertaken by those other than muslims who lived in the similar era as Alhazen. Other sources I read say the Christian world came up with true scientific method, but I cannot find the specific example(s) of those persons who supposedly did these experiments prior to Alhazen.<br />
:If you look at the talk page for Wikipedia's Alhazen article[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alhazen#Misuse_of_sources], you'll see a lot of the claims are disputed because [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam,_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia Jagged 85] was a big contributor of the information there. We have our hub page concerning the "[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Golden_Age Golden Age]", but other than that, we would suggest going to the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum] if you have any questions. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 11:04, 5 July 2013 (PDT)<br />
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== Concerned about Security, IP Address Tracing etc. ==<br />
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I'm becoming increasingly active in restoring the historical truth to various Wikipedia pages which were hijacked by Islamists. I am concerned as to whether it would be possible for someone to trace my IP address or my computer, and harm me. Are either of these a valid concern? If so I suppose I can be entirely safe by making my Wikipedia edits from a library or other public computer and public internet connection? {{unsigned|Devraj}}<br />
:Its safe to get a username and edit from the username (just make sure you're logged in all the time) from any computer (home or elsewhere). Good luck. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 15:06, 19 July 2013 (PDT)<br />
Please check out this article[http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/andrewkantor/2004-06-17-kantor_x.htm ] - one among many - that indicates that it is quite possible for someone with ill intent to track the source of online activity. Why should I not be concerned about this?<br />
:That is basically an alarmist article. There's about 30-50K active editors on Wikipedia (more than 5 edits in the last 30 days) at any given time. Unless there's illegal activity (real threats of violence for example) there's no tracking and even then only authorities can access that tracking information. Wikipedia admins do have access (I think) if they have the checkuser right but its a small number of admins who do and they dont misuse that data. If you still have questions you can ask on Wikipedia or another internet forum. There are many editors editing Wikipedia with the alternate point of view about Islam, Unless an editor does something really illegal (terrorist threat or something) their identity is not and cannot be known. Again make sure you're logged on (important, otherwise your IP address will be recorded in that page's history). IP addresses can be known to admins but to trace that address to a real person requires a police permit and so on, which is only given if its an extreme case (e.g. violence, as I mentioned). To be safe, always do a "preview" on an edit before you submit it, to make sure your login is still active (sometimes the login goes inactive if the edit window was open for a long time). If you stay logged in, dont do anything illegal you'll be safe. Maybe [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&hideliu=1 this] link might help - lots of people editing with IPs without any care, however again if you are concerned, you can make sure you are logged in and it will not be public. Once again, you should visit internet IT forums or ask Wikipedia for assistance for further clarifying these things. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:05, 19 July 2013 (PDT)<br />
Thank you! That helps.<br />
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== Indian female convert to Islam killed by Taliban (Islam in the news) ==<br />
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Hi. I wanted to share the news of the recent killing of an Indian social worker Sushmita Banerjee (later Syeda Kamal) by the Taliban. She had married an Afghan in the 80's. When she went to Afghanistan, she found out that he was already married. Then after facing oppression under the Taliban there, she fled but her in-laws recaptured her. She decided to do social work in Afghanistan but was recently executed by the Taliban who said "why did you write nasty things about us?"<br />
Is there a way I contribue to the "Islam in the news" section?--[[User:Mahomet|Mahomet]] ([[User talk:Mahomet|talk]]) 22:45, 8 September 2013 (PDT)<br />
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<ref>{{cite news |url=http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-09-06/india/41832545_1_suspected-taliban-militants-afghan-police-afghanistan |title=Indian author Sushmita Banerjee killed in Afghanistan by Taliban |date=September 6, 2013 |newspaper=Times of India}}</ref><br />
<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/sushmita-banerjee-killed-taliban_n_3874734.html |title= Sushmita Banerjee, Female Indian Author, Killed By Taliban |newspaper=Huffington Post}}</ref><br />
<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/why-did-you-write-nasty-things-taliban-militants-reportedly-asked-sushmita-banerjee-before-killing-h-415758 |title=Why did you write nasty things, Taliban militants reportedly asked Sushmita Banerjee before killing her |date=September 07, 2013}}</ref><br />
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{{reflist}}<br />
:If you look at the contribs for [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Al-Qaum Al-Qaum], you can see stuff is added first to the [[Islam in the News]] page and then to the [[WikiIslam:Latest News]]. Please follow the formats (small amount of text from the news site, link formats, heading should reflect the news source etc). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 10:10, 9 September 2013 (PDT)<br />
::It's already been added to ''Islam in the News'' by Al-Qaum. See [[Islam in the News#Afghanistan: Militants shoot dead the Indian author of a popular book about her escape from the Taliban|here]]. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 12:27, 9 September 2013 (PDT)<br />
:::Ohh, great! You guys are really international and stay on top of things. :) --[[User:Mahomet|Mahomet]] ([[User talk:Mahomet|talk]]) 20:32, 12 September 2013 (PDT)<br />
::::Thanks Mahomet! [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 23:16, 12 September 2013 (PDT)<br />
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== Add option to "submit your testimony"? ==<br />
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I would like to submit my testimony to this page http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:Form/newapostate<br />
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Under "current worldview", can you add the option of Bahá’í?<small>&mdash;Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Golconda|Golconda]] ([[User talk:Golconda|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Golconda|contribs]]) {{#if:19:57, 16 March 2014 |&#32; 19:57, 16 March 2014 |}} ([[WikiIslam:Signatures#Signing_Posts|Remember to sign your comments]]) </small><br />
:Hi Golconda. Just submit your testimony and we'll add that for you. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:07, 16 March 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== The Islamic Golden Age referenced on the Wikipedia article on "humans" ==<br />
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Without any citations, the "Islamic Golden Age" myth was added to other contributions during the Middle Ages.<br />
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"The late Middle Ages saw the rise of revolutionary ideas and technologies. In China, an advanced and urbanized society promoted innovations and sciences, such as printing and seed drilling. In India, major advancements were made in mathematics, philosophy, religion and metallurgy. The Islamic Golden Age saw major advancements in mathematics, astronomy, optics, biology, medicine, art and architecture in Muslim empires."<br />
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Whatever "Muslim advances" (should say Persian advances!) there were was from conquering places. This appears to represent something debunked in the 1001 inventions page. Basically, they list more advances for Muslims than for China... what a joke.<br />
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Maybe add a "citation needed" and delete most of the tags.<br />
Muslims contributed to basically nothing except some math and astronomy.<br />
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What disgusts me is that it calls those inventions "Muslim" but later talks about globalization and the information age as if it weren't "Western".<br />
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Care to fix this with me? [[Special:Contributions/50.187.216.93|50.187.216.93]] 23:05, 16 June 2014 (PDT)<br />
:I personally don't have enough time to do anything on Wikipedia (too much to do and its hard to maintain it with them contantly fighting to keep away anything truthful about Islam) but someone else might. This certain article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age] doesnt look too long so it shouldnt be too hard to fix. I would suggest add the citation needed tag where you want to and wait a week before you remove those statements with a comment "removing unsourced statements. Had previously left in the Citation needed tag. Use talk page before restoring any statements". Relevant to this might be this article on our site [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:20, 17 June 2014 (PDT)<br />
:: Great Idea. I'll go for it. [[Special:Contributions/50.187.216.93|50.187.216.93]] 12:37, 19 June 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::I didnt look at it in detail but I think in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_Golden_Age&diff=prev&oldid=613602760 this] edit over there, you will most likely have to defend removal of references / referenced information. <br />
:::Its very difficult to clean up the mess created by the Muslim editor Jagged85 (he had 60K or 80K edits, most of which were intentionally misleading as their [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia investigation] showed). What you may be seeing or dealing with may be some of his work. The references will have to be checked. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:14, 19 June 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Purpose of this website==<br />
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I am personally a Christian, but I have some sympathy for Islam, as I have many Muslim friends who have been quite helpful to me over the years. I have shown them respect, and they have reciprocated. I do not pretend to know what is best for others, any more than I enjoy others pretending to know what is best for myself. I was wondering, is this site meant to ultimately be purely scientific, letting the facts fall where they may, or is it meant to be biased against Islam, preferring to portray views that denigrate Islam whenever possible or convenient? Thanks, [[User:Scottperry|Scottperry]] ([[User talk:Scottperry|talk]]) 12:55, 23 June 2014 (PDT)<br />
:There's a verse in the Quran, 5:38 that says a thief's hands should be cut off. Islam cannot be reformed. If one verse is to be rejected then the whole Quran can be rejected.<br />
:This site focuses on criticism of Islam. You can have a good look around first. Start from the [[site map]].<br />
:Being biased against Islam is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of because Islam itself is biased against non-Muslims like me and you since it says we will all burn in Hell for not accepting it (Quran 48:13). Your Muslim friends may be nice people but if they think a thief's hands should not be cut off (Quran 5:38), if they think a wife should not be beaten for disobedience (Quran 4:34), if they dont believe that virgins in Heaven are large breasted (Quran 78:33) then they are not really Muslims and are not believing in actual Quranic verses. They are choosing to reject those verses or defend them in some way.<br />
:But do tell us what can be done differently or if you have any suggestions. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:20, 23 June 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks for your frankness. I think I'll try to insert the full edit, along with cites, that I first started to work on, and see what happens. Regarding hand-chopping, there are verses in the Bible that say homosexuals, disobedient sons, and adulterers should all be killed, and Jesus supposedly said that not a "jot" of the Bible should be disregarded, but just the same, modern-day Christianity ''has'' opted to reject those verses, yet to keep others, and still continues to be a major influence in the world. Christianity has adapted significantly over the centuries, and much of it for the better. It's had a 700 year head-start over Islam. There are also verses in the Quran that say that there is hope for non-Muslims to enter heaven. As with the Bible, both books are filled with contradictions. Personally, as a Christian, I pick and choose which parts resonate with me, and which don't. I think that whether or not most other Christians would admit it, they all do that too. How many Christians do you know these days that stone all of those "evil-doers" as mentioned above? <br />
::At any rate, I don't know if I'll be a very good "fit" here, but I'll try a few edits and see what happens. My "debt" to Islam, as a Christian, is that no less than twice, my life was literally saved by Muslims! Don't ask me why, I couldn't say. So long as you guys are fundamentally honest about your criticisms against Islam here, which we shall see, I shall be happy to contribute here. Thanks, [[User:Scottperry|Scottperry]] ([[User talk:Scottperry|talk]]) 19:32, 23 June 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Ok. Well that is all good stuff for debate.<br />
:::So for your edit [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Statistics&diff=107924&oldid=101364] you would first add it on the Education page (possibly Worldwide section here [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Education_and_Employment#Worldwide]) and after that the main Statistics edit that you made can be restored. Stuff on that page is mentioned and sourced in the sub-pages. You'll notice though that all the stuff in these Stats pages is quotes -- and I think thats a problem (for this reason I think the addition will be a challenge). But as long as what you put in cannot be disputed or challenged it could be fine so the more sources you can add the better. Yea try it and we'll see how it looks. In this case case you would need to provide proof that these named countries were really under the influence of soviet communism as Muslims would challenge that and say "those countries did it on their own". This is the kind of sourcing we use and its important as you can see. Another to thing to check is how "far" other Muslim countries are from the high literacy rates (the ones that were not influenced by soviet communism). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 20:04, 23 June 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::Another opinion, of course there are good Muslims but in how is it because of Islam and how does that help Islam? They are just good as humans. All Muslims need not be hateful or believing in each and every verse of the Quran but their uproach is still cultist. They will keep considering Islam as superior and us as trasshy. Ask your Muslim friends to prove our site (or other sites) wrong. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 07:04, 24 June 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::At Scottperry: Actually, the reason why Christians do not stone people is because Jesus stopped an adulteress from being stoned by saying "let he who has not sinned cast the first stone." And as for the "not a "jot" of the Bible should be disregarded", you ignore the bit straight after that sentence where he says "until everything is accomplished" (when he dies, he then says "It is finished"). For a "Christian" you sure do talk about/understand Christianity like a Muslim apologist would. These are exactly the same talking points they try to use as [[Tu Quoque]] arguments to shut down criticism. Unfortunately for them, and for you, a simple reading of the text shows your error. This is also where Christianity and Islam differ. Sure, Christian beliefs have changed with the times, but that did ''not'' take place by (as you suggest) Christians waking up one day and saying, "I don't like this part of the Bible, let's ignore it." It happened through the ability of reformers to successfully argue a theologically sound case for why Christians should stop certain things. Muslim reformers however do not have a leg to stand on. All the theologically sound arguments come from the terrorists. Let me quote this:<br />
:::::"'''Chronological Shift in Violence'''<br />
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:::::''This is one of the most important factors to take into consideration. If you are going to criticize a holy book for what you believe it advocates to its followers, then you must read the text like a believer would. If a book contains a large amount of violence in it but finishes by telling its readers in the second half of the book to be pacifists and behave like cute little bunny rabbits, does it advocate violence or pacifism? Of course, the answer is that it advocates pacifism. Likewise if a book begins by describing pacifism but finishes by telling its readers to "slay the unbelievers wherever you find them", that book logically advocates violence.''<br />
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:::::''All of the "positive" violence committed in the Bible is found in the Old Testament. The New Testament contains absolutely no exhortations to violence. Quite the opposite, Jesus advocates extreme pacifism. Christians believe they are a part of the "New Covenant" described in the New Testament , not the Old Covenant described in the Old Testament.'' <br />
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:::::''Muslims do not have an "old" or "new" covenant to filter their text through. However, what they do have is something very similar, it is the doctrine of Abrogation, where later Qur'anic verse naturally supersede earlier ones. This would be fine if like the Bible all the violence was confined to the beginning, but this is not the case. Don't take my word for it. Read the Qur'an in chronological order and the shift from pacifism to violence is unmissable. This results in rendering almost all of the peaceful verses abrogated and useless.''" [http://islamo-criticism.blogspot.com/2012/03/is-bible-more-bloodthirsty-than-quran.html (Link)] <br />
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::::: Concerning your "Christianity has had a 700 year head-start over Islam" logic, that is a ridiculous way of thinking. Sikhism is only about five hundred years old, so according to your logic, today they should be behaving like European Neanderthals from the early middle-ages. In addition to that, according to your logic, we should be apologizing for these hypothetical Neanderthals and making excuses for them. The evolution of religious believers does not happen like that. Religions generally conform in some degree to the more liberal morals of their times. The fact that the 700 years newer religion of Islam made a regression in morals when compared to Christianity should be all you need to know of its founder and the general spirit of its texts. Interestingly, the Baha'i Faith is a 19th century offshoot of Islam. Since Islam has had 1,000+ years head-start, shouldn't Baha'is be going around invading other countries in order to spread their newer religion, subjugating its people and destroying religious institutions belong to its previous occupants? That isn't happening, but guess what? There is a religion at this very moment cleansing the remaining religious minorities wherever it is dominant, and it ain't the Baha'is or Christians. And about those "verses in the Quran that say that there is hope for non-Muslims to enter heaven," that's total apologetic nonsense. Read this:<br />
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:::::''If you read verse 2:62 in context, it is referring only to those Christians, Jews, and Sabiens who believed in the time of their own Prophet/Messenger.''<br />
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:::::''Each Revelation abrogated the previous. Thus, after the advent of Prophet Muhammad and Islam, no individual can make it into Paradise unless they accept Allah as God, Muhammad as his last Prophet and the Qur'an as Allah's final book of guidance.''<br />
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:::::''Therefore, the concept of Heavenly rewards in Islam are now exclusively offered to Muslims. Christians and Jews may believe in a single monotheistic god, but they do not believe in "His Messenger". Thus they are destined for the "burning fire".''<br />
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:::::''Additionally, the non-Muslims who do make it into Paradise will only be used as sex-slaves by believing men, Muslims who themselves will be spared hell-fire by Allah on the Day of Resurrection by making innocent Christians and Jews take their place and be thrown into Hell.''" [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Christians_Jews_and_Muslims_in_Heaven (Link)] [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:02, 8 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Inspired by Muhammad: Dog Hadiths ==<br />
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Hello. I looked at the links to the Hadiths concerning killing dogs and restricting to killing black dogs from this page: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#Killing_Dogs<br />
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It seems that the links do not take you to the hadiths you are quoting. Maybe the site was updated or whoever created the page made a mistake. I thought you should know.<br />
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Specifically, it's the Sahih Muslim 16:2840 and Sahih Muslim 16:2839.<br />
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I think the hadiths are Abu-Dawud: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/016-sat.php [[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 5:18, 27 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
: Number 5248 in that [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#Killing_Dogs section] you mentioned has a valid link. What specific quotes have broken links? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:53, 29 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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It was the bottom two hadiths under "The Black Dog is a Devil". Sahih Muslim 16:2840 and Sahih Muslim 16:2839 do not lead to the hadiths quoted, but I found the hadiths in their entirety in Abu-Dawud. You can find them at the top of the page here: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/016-sat. I believe that the two Hadith collections were mixed up in the post.[[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 20:11, 30 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
:Oh ok, yea I see it now. I fixed those now [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#The_Black_Dog_is_a_Devil]. Thanks! --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:58, 30 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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SerUm, I checked and it still says and goes to Sahih MMuslim. [User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 16:25, 31 August 2014 (GMT)<br />
:Nope, it should be fixed. Check [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Inspired_by_Muhammad&diff=109583&oldid=98757#The_Black_Dog_is_a_Devil this]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:05, 31 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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Sorry. My mistake. My computer wasn't working correctly or something. I see it now. :) [User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 1:51, 1 September 2014 (GMT)<br />
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== Website organization ==<br />
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Hi, i would like firstly to thank you for the great work. This site helped me a lot during my years of doubt about islam. And i ll give you some feedback from a reader's perspective :<br />
* I think the site has a lot of good articles but it needs more organisation. Maybe making Portals shoud be added to the tasks. For example for islam and science, a Portal would be much more useful than the core article or the unergonomic site Map. In the islam and science portal for example we should find two sections: refutations of quran's miracles like big bang, embryology etc.. and for embryology for example there should be a "subsection" where all the articles should be listed History of embryology, embryology in jewish scriptures, in the quran , in the quran and the hadith... and another section for scientific errors in quran and hadith. Same goes fr other portals.<br />
* About the sources of the quran and hadith, when i was muslim i had to recheck every islamic quote wrote here in its arabic version (my faith made me do it) and it would be better i guess if there was this possibility to see the arabic version just next to the reference.<br />
* I'm gonna try to start translating some articles in French and maybe arabic if i have the time to do it.<br />
Cheers --[[User:Einstein reason|ArabSagan]] ([[User talk:Einstein reason|talk]]) 08:49, 8 October 2014 (PDT)<br />
*I prefer a template to portal for all the scientific errors and abrogations but who will bell the cat? New editors are not allowed to edit mainspace. Axius is too busy for long long time and nothing is getting reviewed. Your blank confession will also stay like that. Yes French translations are welcome. Our message must get to France and the whole of French West Africa. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 13:08, 8 October 2014 (PDT)<br />
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::Hi. I'm happy to hear you found this site useful. Concerning your queries:<br />
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:*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Islam This] is the Islam Portal on Wikipedia, and [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Science this] is the Islam and Science Core article on WikiIslam. Looking at them both (and leaving aside our Site Map for the moment), I do not see how a Wikipedia style portal would help people find articles quicker than our Core articles. The Wikipedia portals quite frankly are a mess. There appears little order to them or a clear method for new readers to easily find material they are after. Conversely, the TOC on Core articles make it very easy to find articles. And this site probably does not have enough articles per subject to justify a Wikipedia-style Portal which is engulfed in links all over the place (links which would probably require more energy for new readers to decipher, because they are embedded within walls of text). <br />
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:*Then there is the Site Map which you call "unergonomic". That surprises me a lot, since I cannot think of a more comfortable or easier way of navigating the entire site from a single page.<br />
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:*You suggest that we should create separate sections; one for Qur'an miracles etc., but we already have separate sections such as the ones you propose, e.g. one of them is indeed "Qur'an miracles".<br />
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:*There is no need to create a new embryology "subsection", because the embryology articles are already linked from a single heading (see [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Science#Embryology_in_Islamic_Scripture here]). We also do not have an "embryology in jewish scriptures" article. We have one that covers reproduction in general, and that is already linked very clearly beneath the "Embryology in Islamic Scripture" section.<br />
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::So that leaves a couple of things I'd like you to do:<br />
::1. Please explain exactly how and why the enormous effort of replacing Core articles with Portals would be beneficial for us.<br />
::2. Give us a better way that readers can explore the entire site from a single page.<br />
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::B) Concerning Arabic; most Muslims do not read, write or speak Arabic and this is a primarily English-language site that only uses trusted scholarly translations, so I don't see any urgency or major benefit from that. Would it be nice to have a link to Arabic versions of all sources? Probably, but it is not realistic. Where is an Arabic-speaking editor who is willing to find all of them and add them to 2,000+ articles (if each article has 50 refs, that makes at least 100,000 links)? Then where are the editors who will check each link for accuracy and maintain these same links from link rot? Like I said, it may be a nice idea, but it has little actual benefit and is not realistic. If an Arabic-speaker, does use the site, like yourself, it is probably best to let them find Arabic versions if they do not trust the English-language versions used by millions of English-speaking Muslims.<br />
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::I only see one certainty in trying to do this, and that is a negative one. By including links to Arabic versions in only a few articles, this would set up an arbitrary standard that should not exist i.e. someone can then read a perfectly referenced article and then claim, "But this one doesn't have links to Arabic like the other one did", and then discard all the referenced information they had just read.<br />
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::C) Translations are most welcome. I'm assuming you read those pages I provided you a while ago, but if you need further help, you can ask Axius or I (if I'm around) for help. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:46, 8 October 2014 (PDT)<br />
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==Arab inventions==<br />
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So.....arab inventions or innovations/improvements on already existing stuff doesn't matter? Sure some of the inventors could've been from other religions, but the fact remains they were all ARABS. I feel this article tries to discredit arab inventions no matter what faith they are. This is the same thing that happens in the US with black inventors, since they are a minority their inventions get attributed to whites no matter what.<br />
:Are you talking about [[How Islamic Inventors Did Not Change The World]]? The article is about claims made for "Islamic inventors", not Arab or non-Arab. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:16, 27 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Assuming the anon is being genuine and not simply trying to disguise an incorrect statement within a question, I would also be very interested in knowing what article they are referring to. None of what is written by our editors try to deny Arab contributions to science. In fact we make a point of mentioning that Arabs, just like every other ethnic group on this planet, have provided the world with their fair share of scientific advances. And depending on the anon's level of ignorance (and whatever article they may be referring to), even the statement that "the fact remains they were all ARABS," may be incorrect. For example, many Egyptians, Lebanese, Iranians, Syrians, etc., may speak Arabic in some form or another, but they are not ethnically Arab, nor do they consider themselves as Arabs. In fact, many of them view being called an Arab a personal insult. That hasn't stopped Islamic propagandists from depicting them as such. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 19:21, 27 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Editing the description of the website. ==<br />
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I ve been using wiki-islam's links when debating online, specially the"quran, hadith and scholars" pages. And always the first response is: wikiislam is an anti-islam website so they are lying (aka using fake data) , until i tell them that they can check the authenticity of the quotes with clicking on the references. So if that was said in the description under the title of the articles, it will be a good thing for the credibility of th website.<br />
Also i'm sure this have been already discussed but i think that you should avoid using usc's database since you know how muslims are untrustful of anything that is related to jews, but i don't know what are your options or if it is easy to fix.<br />
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:''"anything that is related to jews"'' - Sounds like an attempt for us to stop using a reliable source so the content can become less reliable. The reliability is explained on the wiki page [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Compendium_of_Muslim_Texts]. Assuming the inquiry is genuine:<br />
:During the debate did you investigate how true this claim is? People will use any excuse they can. The 3 Quran translations are well known and the hadiths are from Bukhari, Muslim and others (6 hadith collections). Ask them if they know of any reliable Quran/hadith websites. The answer is usually "Just ignore all the websites. Consult with a real Islamic scholar" which we know is a cop-out. <br />
:No data on our site is fake. You can search any hadith/verse and find the exact quotes on many other websites. The USC database was chosen because it was hosted on an educational institution's server and additional reasons are mentioned on that wiki page I linked. It used to be the website for the MSA at that university originally and currently its the Muslim-engagement center website. That doesnt effect its reliability in any way. People are free to crosscheck the hadiths and verses on other websites.<br />
:''"until i tell them that they can check the authenticity of the quotes with clicking on the references"'' - they are visiting a website and a website is supposed to have links by default. People dont need to be told that they should click the links on a page. When someone claims a website has fake information you should challenge that statement because you know that in this case that is a false statement that has no basis. You will get better in debate with time. Additional information about the sources is in our [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Sources_Used FAQ]. The FAQ page is linked on every page on the left. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 11:52, 2 December 2014 (PST)<br />
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== "Jihad is Perpetual" subtopic has bad link ==<br />
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I was looking at the "Jihad is Perpetual" subtopic of [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Fighting Non-Muslims]] and tried to navigate to the link to Sunan Abu Dawud Chapter 14, hadith 2526 specified there. However, it appears that USC has removed the Jihad chapter from Sunan Abu Dawud, and the link goes to Chapter 13 on fasting instead.<br />
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I did find a working link to this hadith at Sunnah.com though. It is here:<br />
http://sunnah.com/abudawud/15/8<br />
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Oddly, that hadith number is 2484, so there seems to be inconsistent hadith numbering scheme between what's specified in the wikiislam link and the one at sunnah.com. The convention used at sunnah.com seems to match up with the translation I have by Nasiruddin al-Khattab.<br />
:Indeed you are right, it is not there anymore. I have it in my local copy so yes it was removed from their website. Not sure what to do right now so I'm just going to add this to on our tasks page for now. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 14:04, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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==New article==<br />
Help ! I would like to create a new article. I don't see it. It's always in the sandbox.<br />
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Unreliable_hadeeths<br />
--[[User:Dare4|Dare4]] ([[User talk:Dare4|talk]]) 13:43, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:Not sure what you are asking for. Can you clarify further? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:57, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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::Hi Dare4. Have you actually looked at the state of the page you created? What would make you think it's okay to take it out of the sandbox and put it in our mainspace looking like that? I've deleted that page anyhow. We already have a page that covers all those and many more (see [[List of Fabricated Hadith|here]]). Use the Site map or search function to avoid such a situation in the future. Please also read and follow the directions on [[WikiIslam:Message to New Users]] before making any further contributions. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:26, 14 March 2015 (PDT)</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Windows7Guy100&diff=112265User talk:Windows7Guy1002015-04-25T02:57:28Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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<div>==Addition to Notable quotes and other edits==<br />
There's no evidence that the quote you [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=107190&oldid=107185 added] belongs to Fred Phelps. That website is listed as a sister site of their official website [http://www.godhatesfags.com/faq.html] but that is all. There's no author information on that page so we cannot say its Fred. <br />
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More evidence that its probably someone else writing on the website: [http://www.godhatesislam.com/faq.html FAQ] -- that is their main FAQ page:<br />
: ''"Second, O hypocritical nation, shut the hell up about putting the Mosque down the street, NOT AT, but down the street from Ground Zero. Just shut your rebel, it’s-all-about-me rotting pizza chutes and build the Mosque and leave those people alone. You intolerant bastards and phony Christians. Just shut up! The whole world hates this nation because they are such raging crybabies and hypocrites. You’re getting your asses GodSmacked every day and you stand around crying like little girls over competing false religious systems and their high places?!"''<br />
Once again no authorship and I doubt the above was written by Fred. <br />
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Thats a great page that we have. Let me know of any new additions or add them there directly. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:03, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:This quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=prev&oldid=107202] is not about Islam so I removed it. Please also note that our site does not promote any specific religion. <br />
:Fred Phelps is also a very controversial person and his deeds/sayings and work for WBC are shunned globally as well as in the US (he founded the church):<br />
::''"The church is widely considered to be a hate group".''<br />
:So I would rather not see quotes from him on our site. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:40, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
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I dont understand the addition of this quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Muslims&curid=9454&diff=107201&oldid=101452]. Its not saying a lot about Islam. Can you explain why its a good addition to the page? It looks like a misfit among the other quotes. It focuses on blasphemy. So I feel it should be somewhere but maybe not on that page. Maybe somewhere linked from: [[Free Speech]] --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:47, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Axius. I'm not sure why you "feel it should be somewhere". It appears to be a quote of Cat Stevens using the usual Islamic apologetic technique of tu quoque in order to excuse the fact that he called for the death of Salman Rushdie. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:01, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Oh, yea, thats not right. I must not have read it carefully enough. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:16, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
Thanks for that update. [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&curid=1534&diff=107213&oldid=107212] I approved it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 14:07, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Your contribution ==<br />
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Hi Windows7Guy100. Your edits are either factually incorrect, not suitable for this site (i.e. your additions in articles make no sense and you seemingly do not understand what the page is about), or require clean up by other editors, so please do not make any more edits to our main space articles. Thank you. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:01, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
:Good call. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:18, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Windows7Guy100 is now blocked from editing. Instead of editing existing articles with inaccurate material, he has now moved onto creating brand new pages with inaccurate material and messing with our templates. Without Islam there would be no modern math. Really? Someone forgot to [[How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World#The_system_of_numbering|tell the Indians]] that, since it's their numbering system westerners use. Or that other religions in the Middle East would take the place of Islamic extremists? Apparently someone forgot to [[Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism#Economic_and_Social_Conditions|tell non-Muslim Palestinians]] that they should become suicide bombers. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 19:55, 24 April 2015 (PDT)</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Windows7Guy100&diff=112264User talk:Windows7Guy1002015-04-25T02:55:04Z<p>Sahab: /* Your contribution */</p>
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There's no evidence that the quote you [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=107190&oldid=107185 added] belongs to Fred Phelps. That website is listed as a sister site of their official website [http://www.godhatesfags.com/faq.html] but that is all. There's no author information on that page so we cannot say its Fred. <br />
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More evidence that its probably someone else writing on the website: [http://www.godhatesislam.com/faq.html FAQ] -- that is their main FAQ page:<br />
: ''"Second, O hypocritical nation, shut the hell up about putting the Mosque down the street, NOT AT, but down the street from Ground Zero. Just shut your rebel, it’s-all-about-me rotting pizza chutes and build the Mosque and leave those people alone. You intolerant bastards and phony Christians. Just shut up! The whole world hates this nation because they are such raging crybabies and hypocrites. You’re getting your asses GodSmacked every day and you stand around crying like little girls over competing false religious systems and their high places?!"''<br />
Once again no authorship and I doubt the above was written by Fred. <br />
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Thats a great page that we have. Let me know of any new additions or add them there directly. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:03, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:This quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=prev&oldid=107202] is not about Islam so I removed it. Please also note that our site does not promote any specific religion. <br />
:Fred Phelps is also a very controversial person and his deeds/sayings and work for WBC are shunned globally as well as in the US (he founded the church):<br />
::''"The church is widely considered to be a hate group".''<br />
:So I would rather not see quotes from him on our site. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:40, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
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I dont understand the addition of this quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Muslims&curid=9454&diff=107201&oldid=101452]. Its not saying a lot about Islam. Can you explain why its a good addition to the page? It looks like a misfit among the other quotes. It focuses on blasphemy. So I feel it should be somewhere but maybe not on that page. Maybe somewhere linked from: [[Free Speech]] --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:47, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Axius. I'm not sure why you "feel it should be somewhere". It appears to be a quote of Cat Stevens using the usual Islamic apologetic technique of tu quoque in order to excuse the fact that he called for the death of Salman Rushdie. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:01, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Oh, yea, thats not right. I must not have read it carefully enough. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:16, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
Thanks for that update. [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&curid=1534&diff=107213&oldid=107212] I approved it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 14:07, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Your contribution ==<br />
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Hi Windows7Guy100. Your edits are either factually incorrect, not suitable for this site (i.e. your additions in articles make no sense and you seemingly do not understand what the page is about), or require clean up by other editors, so please do not make any more edits to our main space articles. Thank you. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:01, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
:Good call. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:18, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Windows7Guy100 is now blocked from editing. Instead of editing existing articles with inaccurate material, he has now moved onto creating brand new pages with inaccurate material (without Islam there would be no modern math. Really? Someone forgot to [[How_Islamic_Inventors_Did_Not_Change_The_World#The_system_of_numbering|tell the Indians]] that, since it's their numbering system westerners use. Or that other religions in the Middle East would take the place of Islamic extremists? Apparently someone forgot to [[Muslim_Statistics_-_Terrorism#Economic_and_Social_Conditions|tell non-Muslim Palestinians]] that they should become suicide bombers) and messing with our templates. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 19:55, 24 April 2015 (PDT)</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Sahab&diff=112257User talk:Sahab2015-04-23T10:39:22Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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Most of the content is written by you or has been heavily edited by you in any case. Do you intend to stop at some point or tag most/all the articles on the site? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:23, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Hi. Yeah, of course I intend to stop, once my work is tagged. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:50, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Isnt that going to be all the articles on the site? So about 2000 article tags?<br />
::What is your intention of tagging the articles? Do you want some kind of recognition or author attribution or do you want to prevent others from editing the work? etc I'm trying to understand the intent. We have tagged other people's work to mostly encourage others to edit or to encourage them to contribute more. Maybe we should re-think that and perhaps only essays should be tagged since they are of a personal nature and main content that complies with site policies should not be tagged. <br />
::We need to look at other sites to see how they handle this. Its a wiki after all and when pages are edited by everyone we can see why most wikis dont attribute their authors like this. Wikipedia doesnt make people tag their any of their articles even if they're basically the sole contributors of that page and thats a pretty big point I want to bring up here. Neither does Rational Wiki tag their articles like this. I think if its going to be all/most pages on the site that is going to discourage people from editing (thinking the pages shouldn't be edited further in any major way) so I dont think its a good idea.<br />
::We have all all worked on this site not for recognition but for charity and no one has asked for anything in return, just like how it happens on Wikipedia. If you want some kind of recognition we can create an "WikiIslam:About the Editors" page and mention all major past/current editors by name there and some short bios about them (if they want). I think that's reasonable.<br />
::Please discontinue the tagging until this discussion is settled. <br />
::Anyone else, feel free to share your opinions as well. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:01, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Obviously I do NOT want to prevent others from editing the work. Neither am I asking for monetary compensation, so I too have edited here as a form of charity. I simply want attribution for what I contributed to this site, just like how any other editor is entitled to the same. Nothing more, nothing less. This is not asking for too much now that I have moved on. We have allowed people to attribute their work (in this very non-evasive way) for many years now without a problem. Are you telling me now that the editor who has spent 5+ years editing the site like a fulltime job, probably contributed at least 80% of the site's content, was in charge of its networking with other sites, formulated and wrote most of its rules, administrated the site, helped new editors learn the ropes, and copy-edited/corrected/quality-controlled every single page, is going to have that right taken away from him? Other wikis may not attribute things, but we do. And if that changes now, it is pretty obvious to every one why it is only changing now. Over the years I have spoken to Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Jochen Katz, Robert from TROP, etc., and I can guarantee that any one of them would have bit their own hands off to have me join their sites and write for them. I chose to stay here, and this is how you are going to treat me now?[[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:26, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::: "Other wikis may not attribute things, but we do." - and once that was decided that should never be changed? We have done a lot of things incorrectly in the past and then changed course when we realized we should do it differently.<br />
:::: Once again why does Wikipedia and Rational Wiki not tag their articles? Why should we? There are editors on Wikipedia with a lot of edits ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits list]). There's one with 1.3 million edits and there's no recognition on individual articles. Here's a note at the end of that user's page for the user [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Koavf] with 1.3 million edits so you can see how they approach the subject:<br />
:::::''All contributions by this user are hereby released into the public domain. I, the author, hereby agree to waive all claim of copyright (economic and moral) in all content contributed by me, the user, and immediately place any and all contributions by me into the public domain, unless otherwise noted. I grant anyone the right to use my work for any purpose, without any conditions, to be changed or destroyed in any manner whatsoever without any attribution or notification.''<br />
::::Once someone edits a page you wrote they would take out your name or add theirs which doesnt make any sense.<br />
::::"I simply want recognition for what I contributed to this site" - That can be done in a "List of editors" way (like Wikipedia does it). We can list the number of edits there too. The other way people take pride in their work is having a list of articles they have contributed to in a major way and users make that list on their own user pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MissionInn.Jim#Contributions_to_Wikipedia for example.] ([https://www.google.com/search?q=%22articles+I+have+contributed+to%22+site%3Awikipedia.org&oq=%22articles+I+have+contributed+to%22+site%3Awikipedia.org others])<br />
::::These are the only two ways that I know of that Wikipedia has for attributing authors. The same for Rational Wiki.<br />
::::If you have moved on why would you care if you have your username on the pages and by that I mean, how would it impact you? I would be happy to mention your name in a new page "WikiIslam:About the Editors". I have thought of doing that multiple times in the past and I thought about doing that while you were actively editing and also after you left the last time (3 months ago). I thought it was important to let people know who the major contributors of the site have been but we dont do this on the pages themselves because they are open to editing by everyone and there is no ownership of pages as in "I wrote this". The point of a wiki is that it can be edited by anyone at any time. 80% of the content is incorrect by the way but you do have around 46% of the site's edits up to this point (the most by any user and that can be rounded up to 50%) and the rest of what you wrote can be mentioned with some edits (if needed) to let people know that as of today you are the most significant editor on the site. That is fair and appropriate but not the article tagging. In fact this attribution method gives you more recognition because we can tell people what you did on the site (how you created the site structure, site map, the categories etc. etc.). You can also make a separate page for your list of articles that you're tagging and we can link that there in the "About the editors" page. Your method, a name on an article wont tell people much. Many people only view a few pages in their visit in any case. So I think having a page for the editors is a better idea. <br />
::::If you also need a reference letter or something like that for the work you've done with the bullet points you mentioned we can discuss that as well and I can write up something by email. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:09, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
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:::::Content and edits are two different things. I'm pretty sure if you count the number of pages created or primarily filled with my work, the "80% of the content" statement is not so inaccurate. Since I have ''literally'' edited every single page on this wiki, even the pages which have not been created or primarily filled with my work will still likely have some of my work in there. And many of the articles that have not been created or primarily filled with my work only exist on this site through my networking with other authors off site. So another way to calculate the percentage would be to take all contributions as a whole and divide it as a whole rather than only counting pages created or primarily filled with my work.<br />
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:::::With that said and done, the exact percentage is not really important. If you say about 50 percent, then fine. I think your ideas in how to handle this situation seems reasonable. So yeah, okay. I will create that page and even de-tag those pages for you. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:42, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::Ok. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 04:12, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
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If you spent a very long time here, why dont you go ahead publishing its contents (partially) on other sites and blogs and forums? I know some sites will moderate out our posts but we need those who won't. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 11:07, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Saggy. Thanks for the suggestion. However, I've done plenty of that already. Promoting/defending the site on forums, spreading the word to other websites, I even had my own blog (now inactive) where I promoted/defended the website. thereligionofpeace.com kindly featured a couple of my posts where I linked to this website (a very kind gesture from him, considering I had only recently created the blog itself). Had plenty of traffic from there and Reddit.com too. But after 5 years I have ended up leaving under what I feel are strained circumstances, so I wouldn't be interested in more of the same, at least not any time soon. I think my contributions to this site alone (minus the tech side of things which Axius handled) would be enough to make this website very nearly what it is today. So I may try to replicate that success with my own site if one of the guys/gals over at the FFI forum are willing to help me out on the tech side. Or I may inquire about joining with one of the already established sites. Some of the pages I've written (e.g. all of the [[Persecution]] pages, [[Priapism_-_Permanent_Erection|Priapism]], [[72 Virgins]], [[Fastest Growing Religion]], [[Responses_to_Apologetics_-_Muhammad_and_Aisha|Muhammad and Aisha]], [[Muslim Statistics]], [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Lying and Deception|Lying and Deception]], [[Muhammad in Other Scriptures]], [[Muhammad and History's 100 Most Influential People|The 100]], [[List_of_Genuine_Islamic_Inventions_Innovations_Records_and_Firsts|List of Genuine Islamic Inventions]], and [[Dr._Keith_Moore_and_the_Islamic_Additions|Dr. Keith Moore]], among others) are completely unique to this site or have never been done in such detail anywhere else. I feel this material has added to the library of Islam-criticism in general and has provided a lot of individuals with much needed information. I'm very proud of that and am content with knowing I did my bit, so I may not even continue at all with Islam. I'm honestly not sure at the moment. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 16:09, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::You can try contacting Klingschor and TheRationalizer or post a message on the CEMB forum (the CEMB has a [http://councilofexmuslims.com/wiki/en/Main_Page wiki] too as you know). I know Klingschor made a post a long time ago on the CEMB forum wanting to create a new site. Maybe you can get together with these people and do something. The more websites there are for criticism of Islam the better. I'm pretty sure these people can arrange for some kind of tech help. I know TheRationalizer's email so let me know if you want to email him. They're both also from the UK and have good Youtube channels with lots of subscribers so they're somewhat accomplished and passionate about criticism of Islam. Unless one works alone they have to work through differences of opinions with other people so that will always be there when others are involved.<br />
::No one can be stopped from leaving the site or deciding not to contribute anymore. That's their wish. I've tried to be fair for example I have tried to prevent wrongful blocks and give editors more opportunities. I believe everyone has equal rights in deciding what should happen on the site. After observing that there were too many intense conflicts starting to take place I worked hard on thinking about how to create some [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Core_Principles#Community community guidelines] so people stop arguing over minor issues and instead focus on the content of the site. I added a nice [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Axius quote] to my user page about this. You made those community guidelines from that long document I sent in email and you can tell how much I was bothered by conflicts to have written so much on the topic. But when someone maintains that kind of approach it usually means they are done with their activism and want to slow down or take a long break or just stop (which is fine but others shouldn't be held responsible for it in any way). I don't want to debate over this for long but yes if you want to leave that's your wish. Good luck in whatever you do in the future. All of us editors on the site and its thousands of visitors are very thankful to you for the work you've done and you're welcome to come back at any time. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:00, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Well, we're obviously going to disagree on this, and I'm sure we could rant at each other all day long about what went wrong here, but I have no desire to do that and I'm sure you don't either. About Klingschor and TheRationalizer; lol come on Ax, be serious :) As far as I'm concerned, those guys are dishonest and part of the bigger problem. Damn privileged westerners who think they know it all. Get one of them to admit that lying is a religious part of Islam that allows Muslims to lie to non-Muslims ([[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Lying and Deception|just like the authentic Sunni sources prove]]) and I'll take my words back. Until then.... You know I still have respect for all practicing Muslims. These guys do what they do because they believe what they do is from their god and is the right thing to do. These other guys only prove you don't need to believe in a sky fairy to be full of shite. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:24, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::Oh, and not that it really matters, but you're definitely wrong about me being done with the criticism of Islam or wanting a break. If it wasn't for the issues we encountered here I feel I could and would have continued indefinitely. Now that I have decided to leave this site, that is what has me thinking about what I'm going to do now. Who knows, I may still end up creating a few wiki article every so often. Oh and another thing; the spam filters wont let me de-tag [[Muslim_Statistics_-_Alcohol_and_Drugs|this]] page. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:29, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::They're valuable to me for the parts of criticism where I agree with them (like his blog post on [http://klingschor.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-meaning-of-kawaib-in-quran.html Kawaib]) so I dont write them off because of differences in certain areas but ok I understand how people often approach differences. Others likely do the same. It would be a nice one-on-one debate on that lying topic and others. Well take a long break, enjoy yourself or come here, whatever you feel like doing. I fixed the spam issue, had to change something in settings. You could try Wikipedia for a while for your favorite topics and see what happens. When I was there I learned a lot of things and many people inspired me. They have some really good people there. The way that community works and handles disputes is pretty impressive. If you worked there for say 6 months or even a year you would have to work with non-Muslims and Muslims who dont agree with you and there's many more policies with a lot of supervisors and people to watch over you and keep you in check. Its a tough atmosphere. When you come back here you'll think this place is heaven where you have a lot of freedom and you'll really appreciate it and learn to compromise and not spend much time on things that are minor disagreements. Its a good place to get trained in working with others and also see how well (in general) they tolerate beginners or people who arent experienced long-term editors. Crap goes on there too. All in all its a good place to experience. So yea I really think you should do that. That's my advice. I should add this advice to the long policy document I wrote. There's also free wikis, or you can work on Sandboxes here on your articles and move them out to somewhere else if you want. Or take a giant break from all of it (thats a good thing too), its all up to you. Whatever you feel like doing. If you want to get back in here let me know if you want the admin tools back but in that case I would like strict adherence to the community guidelines keeping in mind that disagreements are going to happen all the time. It was stressful for me and I just dont have the energy to tolerate that kind of atmosphere anymore which is good because there's other people here too and everyone is affected. We aren't here to be adversaries and have nothing to gain with disputes or hostilities. We have important common goals. I have apologized in the past or have tried to if I did anything wrong. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:47, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::It's more than minor disagreements that are the issue here, and some of them have no parallels at Wikipedia. Besides, I already have my own account over at Wikipedia. I don't use it for any Islam-related topics but it's active. I doubt I'll want my admin rights back, but I'll let you know if I change my mind. And thanks for suggesting that I work on articles here if I want. That's very kind of you. It may be helpful working on material and interacting somewhere that is familiar to me. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 04:12, 1 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::::The articles you work on over there, are they controversial? For example in Islam related articles there's a great different of opinion (obviously) while other topics are pretty calm and its all smooth sailing. Is this a good page name to talk about the editors: WikiIslam: About the Editors, or Meet the Editors, I dont know. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:52, 1 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::::WikiIslam:Meet the Editors sounds the best I think. About the Editors sounds kind of ominous, like you're about to reveal some sort of secret. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:03, 1 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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:''If it wasn't for the issues we encountered here I feel I could and would have continued indefinitely.'' <br />
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If that's the case then I don't want to be in your way. If there's a possibility of you coming back to the site and editing as before then here's something I haven't done before. I'll let you be the decision maker of the site for any issues. You can delete [[Freethinker_Javed_-_Former_Muslim|this testimony]] and.. what else: those footer Menu links that the RU site has on the bottom of their pages. There wasn't really much else content-wise to disagree on. We have always had the same ideas about most of the stuff on the site and I've told you that before. About having any other stuff that's critical of other religions I hadn't decided on that for that certain case (e.g. [[User_talk:Axius#The_Quran_and_Mountains|roots of mountains]]) and I would have done things in a very subtle way if we ever tried to do something (a small link or a note about that issue, etc). Nothing that would be strong criticism like we do for Islam. <br />
You can create a new wikiislam email address and be its recipient for all incoming site mail (not a huge volume of incoming so nothing much to worry about) and replace the email address in the contact page. I'll keep the old address for maintaining account issues. You can make all decisions on the site whatever they are, both for content and for managing users. I can only suggest you to give chances to other editors and be forgiving of their mistakes - or not. I care about that the most but its up to you. If people talk about their experiences off-site we cant control that and once its out there, its hard to control it. That's why I've wanted to be as forgiving as possible so no one has a valid reason to write anything bad about us because then its like a bad review for a business. It can be damaging.<br />
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The reasons I want to do this is that I haven't tried this before. I don't see myself contributing any time soon to the wiki like you have and since you have done a lot, you should be able to decide what happens on the site. The growth of the site is more important than seeing who decides what. What do you think? Maybe its already too late but in case here it is. If not then I'll just be in minimum maintenance mode as I have been for a while now and if you're here in any capacity, big or small I'll still let you do what you want to do so there. That's it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:07, 2 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Wow. Could you let me think about it for a few days? I don't mean to sound ungrateful (because I most certainly am ''very'' grateful for the offer) but I really don't know what my answer will be. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 18:38, 2 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Yea take your time. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:29, 2 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Also wondering what changes you would make in that situation. Imagine I don't exist. That would help thinking about what you would do. For example deleting some of the testimonies you think are fake. I might not agree but you can do it if you want. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:35, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::At the moment I really doubt I will accept your kind offer. I'm not 100% sure either way yet but there are multiple issues to consider and saying yes would be a very big commitment on my part. I need to get my head sorted and will talk things through with Al-Qaum. <br />
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::::Concerning changes; there wouldn't be many I don't think. For the first 4 years you did give me pretty much free reign on the wiki and it has only been the past year or so that we have been butting heads. We also agree on the majority of things so that helps. Yeah I would be more critical of testimonies and (as I've said in the past) I believe testimonies of leaving Islam should actually be testimonies about leaving Islam, not rants about how much they hate religions (of course a short paragraph of general thoughts is fine but the bulk of it should be exactly what it says on the tin). <br />
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::::I definitely would NOT get rid of those footer Menu links that the RU site has on the bottom of their pages. I don't particularly like them but Claustrum is a very competent individual and I would try to respect the "Sub-domains do their own thing" rule. I agree with that. If I ever overstep the mark over at the RU site it's not because I want to but because it's instinctive for me to press delete when I see pointless rants by Muslim trolls. <br />
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::::I haven't really thought about what I would change. I don't think it's about change, I think it's more about sticking closely to what we already claim to be content-wise (which is what I believe makes us who we are). There would be no attacking each other over belief, race or sexuality. Islam-critical sites are always accused of hatred so we need to set a shining example by showing zero tolerance. This should be shown through unambiguous policies which clearly outline our stance. Free speech is completely irrelevant in the context of a privately owned website, especially when it has contributors outside of the US. What is relevant is the religion of Islam, and also the need for us to make sure we're not tarred with the same "xenophobic right-wingers" brush. Editors should feel safe while they're here and not have to listen to other editors rants. There are plenty of other outlets for them to do that stuff if they wanted to, this place should only be about Islam. So really everything concerning content in our core principles would be followed closely (including tailoring our articles for a universal audience). <br />
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::::I'm not sure what the final page would be, but there definitely wouldn't be an article titled "[[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Western_Scientists|Western Scientists]]" (after all, scientists are scientists, and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of great non-Western scientists in Israel, India and so on). And there certainly wouldn't be any machine translated articles on the site :) lol. Yeah, I haven't really thought of much, just what came off the top of my head. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 08:35, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::Ok. About the bottom nav boxes, yea I was talking about the EN site. So if anyone said they'd want to get them here on the EN site you would say no as you have said before - thats fine.<br />
:::::Alright so even if you arent here or wont accept the offer I'm just in minimum maintenance mode as I've been for a long time. If there are any decisions to be made I'm going to defer them to you if you are here. [''Saggy'': please take note and ask Sahab if you have any questions or ideas. I know previously I asked you to go to the forum page and you can do that but you can also directly approach Sahab.]<br />
:::::You can remove vandalism/troll responses on the RU site if you want, do as you wish. <br />
:::::Western Scientists was a temporary name. If that editor (Al Russell) shows up to work on that page and you dont like the work you can delete it and let him know.<br />
::::: Looking back yes this is a change in my approach for the site. Once again I should say why. I've just decided to give control over to the person who has more time for it or cares enough to defend their positions. I'm here its just that I'll just maintain stuff but not anything more. If the unusual happens and we get new editors with the same intensity of interest in the site as you we'll see what to do. A successful organization is open for change and is always evaluating new ideas. For example the development of policies and content on Wikipedia is dependent on who joins that site and takes interest in it. <br />
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::::::''"For the first 4 years you did give me pretty much free reign on the wiki and it has only been the past year or so that we have been butting heads. We also agree on the majority of things so that helps."'' <br />
:::::Yes we do agree on most things. You wont find any place in the world where you get your way 100% of the time whether its an online workspace like Wikipedia or a real-life situation like an office. As I see it if a small number of disagreements cause someone to leave the scene there's probably some other reason as to why they would leave, something else is going on; perhaps they've become busy or their priorities have changed and they needed to get to a tipping point to make that change actually happen. At that point there's a need to step back and look at the situation objectively wait till things have calmed down a little. Maybe thats happened while you were away. One can see the big picture and see that minor disagreements dont really matter. People should be open to compromise and tolerate differences of opinions. As for content quality I've always agreed that we shouldn't compromise on that. While you were away you can see how I tried to defend the quality of Scientific errors in the Quran by not allowing new errors entered unless the previous ones were fixed. I don't like banning someone outright and I like allowing people to work in their sandboxes (we do that for every thing that has not been finalized yet). Any way you're free to do what you want, leaving or staying in whatever capacity you want. If you do stay please don't stop others from contributing in their sandboxes. They are not indexed by search engines, so they dont get any traffic and if needed we can put headers on top of all sandboxes pages telling people these pages are not part of the Core content and are not meant to be viewed by the public. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 11:48, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::''"At the moment I really doubt I will accept your kind offer."'' - Ok in that case I take back the offer which means, any disputes will be resolved with everyone else's feedback involved and not just what one person says. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:56, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Cool. I'm just glad we managed to part on good terms. You say that contributions whether big or small are welcome from me, so (if you don't mind) I'll still pop in from time-to-time and give you a hand with finalizing stuff, copy-editing and my "no obligation" input/thoughts on good/bad ideas (at least this way you'll have a few different perspectives to consider and decide on either way). And of course if you need help on something or there is an emergency (I'm not sure what but you never know) I'm more than happy to do my best to help when I can. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 22:04, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::::Yea that's great if you can still help out and also give your thoughts on various stuff. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:29, 5 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== List of works ==<br />
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[[User:Sahab/Lists_of_Works]] - you can clean it up in Word using these steps:<br />
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* Replace "^p^phttp://wikiislam.net/wiki/" by "]]^p* [["<br />
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* Then replace _ by space<br />
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* %27 by '<br />
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* Fix entries at end of each list and any other header text that is not in lists.<br />
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Other possibilities: <br />
* Sort lists ascending (copy paste each list in Excel and sort), some entries may have to be fixed.<br />
* Write texts of how you structured the site using hub pages and inserted and maintained hub links for almost every page on the site and how that was used in the Site map which is a very important way of browsing the site and also tells people of the breadth of the knowledge present in the site.<br />
* Using multi-level lists for example <br />
* Farsideology<br />
** Aisha (Farsideology)<br />
** Allah (Farsideology) <br />
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Also just wondering. Is this for yourself or for a reference of some kind for being evaluated by someone for example? You dont have to tell anything. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:14, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Thanks Ax! I was thinking "I'm sure Axius would know a quicker way to get this done", but was gonna do all that manually. It's for both. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:27, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Ok. Thats what it looked like to me. If you want an email (mentioning your work here) sent to someone from the wikiislam address I can do that (after you approve it). I dont have any problems with that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:51, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks Ax. I don't need that ATM but will be sure to ask if I do. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 22:06, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Meet the editors ==<br />
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Wow you did your magic. The page looks great ([[WikiIslam:Sandbox/WikiIslam:Meet_the_Editors]]). I wish there was a "Sahabify" button. I will try to fix it further. I feel this is a very important page and will make people connect to the site on a personal level (the "who" question is one of the first a visitor asks when they visit a site and they're interested in it). Lets see what else. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:20, 6 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Thanks Ax :) Yeah, I'll keep working on it too. I particularly like how the description of Farside turned out :D I think visitors will definitely be left with a positive impression of WikiIslam editors as a whole. It's kind of unique also because it highlights just how different we all are. Most sites do not have this sort of diversity when it comes to its members. That's pretty cool. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:27, 7 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::I agree. I liked that too, 'prophet Farside'. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:39, 7 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Images ==<br />
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Hello, I stumbled accross this site on the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Images_of_Jihad_-_Indonesia Images of Jihad (Indonesia)] and [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Images_of_Jihad_-_Indonesia_-_Killings_Various_Dates Images of Jihad (Indonesia): Killings, Various Dates] articles, and there are several pictures which are mislabelled and have nothing to do with religious violence.<br />
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Chinese didn't actually get killed in the streets on May 1998. What happened was Indonesian looters attacked Chinese shops and tried stealing from them, but accidently started a fire and burned themselves to death instead. And then after that, dozens of rapes were reported against the Chinese. Most violence against Chinese was not killing, but attempted looting and raping. [https://web.archive.org/web/20020615225114/http://www.serve.com/inside/digest/dig86.htm] [http://www.library.ohiou.edu/indopubs/1998/05/31/0029.html] [http://books.google.com/books?id=bCsgAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA34#v=onepage&q&f=false] And thats no whitewashing of what happened, since rape is a very repulsive act.<br />
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The images of people getting killed on the streets and beheaded are from other incidents, like Dayaks vs Madurese in Kalimantan, in Sampit, Sambas, and Indonesians going on a witch hunt in Banyuwangi.<br />
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Dayaks (non-Muslims) and Malays (Muslims) both participated in killing Madurese (Muslims). It was not religious, but ethnic hatred. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/1186401.stm]<br />
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The images labeled as "Chinese" victims, are actually Madurese getting killed by Dayaks, or suspected "witches" getting killed in Banyuwangi. The people in those photos are all non-Chinese.<br />
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The original sources can be seen here- [http://www.fica.org/hr/lain/lain4.htm] [http://www.fica.org/hr/ambon/ambon1/Sanggauledo1.html] [http://www.fica.org/hr/ambon/ambon1/Sanggauledo2.html] [http://www.oocities.org/~budis1/article/head_hunter2.htm] [http://www.fica.org/hr/Sanggauledo.html] [http://ceritaindonesia.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/dayak-vs-madura1.jpg]<br />
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You can see that the Banyuwangi riots were not related to Muslims vs non-Muslims. [http://www.insideindonesia.org/weekly-articles/the-banyuwangi-murders]<br />
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There IS real religious violence in Indonesia, like the images of the girl beheaded by Islamists in Sulawesi, but these other images are incorrect.<br />
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These are the specific images which should be removed- [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_17.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082447&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e1.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145124&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e2.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145136&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e3.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145149&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e4.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145205&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e5.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145219&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e6.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145232&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_19.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082509&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e7.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145244&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e8.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145256&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_10.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082327&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_13.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082403&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_15.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082425&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_17.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082447&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e9.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145309&]<br />
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Its because some idiots on internet forums in China heard what was going on in Indonesia in May 1998 with looting of Chinese stores and rapes, so when they looked up "Indonesia riots" on the internet, they got the wrong photos, and pasted these photos all over their forums. This is how these photos originally got mislabelled.<br />
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In Myanmar, some Islamists falsely took photos of Tsunami victims, earthquake victims in China, and of Tibetan protestors setting themselves on fire, and labelled them as Rohingya Muslims getting killed by Burmese Buddhists. [http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2012/0803/Pakistan-s-extremists-whip-up-frenzy-over-Burma-s-Muslims] [http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/12867/social-media-is-lying-to-you-about-burmas-muslim-cleansing/] [http://www.irrawaddy.org/rohingya/canadian-ngo-protests-rohingya-misinformation.html] [http://archive.thedailystar.net/beta2/news/where-lies-reign-supreme/] [http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-photos-with-dead-bodies-in-media-reports-on-myanmar-conflict/5302994] [http://tibet.net/2012/08/04/pak-extremists-exaggerating-violence-against-burmas-muslims-to-fund-own-agendas/]<br />
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What happened here is not deliberate like what those Islamists did, but it still needs to be corrected. In fact you can create an article about fake images used by Islamists in the Rohingya conflict instead. [[User:Cleft|Cleft]] ([[User talk:Cleft|talk]]) 23:22, 10 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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:Cool. Thanks for that info. I will read through those links you provided and sort them out soon when I get time. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:04, 11 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks again for bringing this issue to my attention. It has now been sorted. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 14:30, 20 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== You have some time? ==<br />
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Axius is gone for days. Do you have the time to review one or two additions per day? Then I will make them at that rate. Also I have many hadiths on angels. eg, giant angels, carriers of the throne. Is is best fit for QHS cosmology or a new QHS? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 05:42, 7 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Saggy, I'm sorry, I don't. It's probably best to stick with sandboxes (that goes for your angel query too), as Axius advised. I'm only helping out as a transitional courtesy here and will soon be winding down my own editing further. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 00:47, 8 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Page for Editing Permissions==<br />
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I was thinking of renaming "http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Pending_Changes_Protection" to 'Editing Permissions' or something (Editing Rights, Editing privileges) so it can be more broad and we can talk about protection of pages in more situations (vandalism or new editors or those who have been told not to edit the main space). I'll think about it and maybe make a page in Sandbox. <br />
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Also I feel editors who have been told not to edit main space should not be listed on the Editors [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Meet_the_Editors] page. I'm guessing you'd agree with that. That would only mean removing Saggy (which I had added myself). I feel we want to represent editors who display at least a minimum level of good judgement. That would mean that if they've been asked not to edit main space, that doesnt show good judgement and we dont want people to see them and think they are examples of good editors. Nothing bad on them of course. If they improve their work in Sandboxes they can always be considered regular editors when they are allowed back on main space (slim chance of that happening but we want to be open to that possibility otherwise we might appear to be unkind). I've included this [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam%3AMeet_the_Editors&diff=109814&oldid=109618 note] as a comment on that page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:55, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Yeah, I agree about the "Meet the Editors" page. I'll do that now. Concerning a "Editing Permissions" page, the idea is good, but I don't think the "Pending Changes Protection" page needs to be renamed for it. Rather, the "Editing Permissions" page could be its own separate page that links out from the "Pending Changes Protection" page (probably could add an inline link from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Pending_Changes_Protection#Can_my_edits_be_reviewed_automatically.3F this] section]). The subject of both pages is pretty distinct and so will be the pages linking to them. The new "Editing Permissions" page could include content from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#New_Users this] section of the help page. Maybe it shouldn't be called "Editing Permissions" but some other name that makes it clear that it is the first port of call for new editors? [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 11:17, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Yea I guess it would be better to have a new page on it. I cant think of any other name other than Editing permissions. Hmmmmm. How about these titles from Wikipedia:<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editorial_oversight_and_control<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Quality_control<br />
::--[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:55, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Actually, after reading [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#New_Users this] section of the help page again, isn't that what you basically want to put on this new page? In that case, what about, "[[WikiIslam:Note to New Users]]," or "[[WikiIslam:Message to New Users]]"? That page could then also mention and link to the Required Reading list. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:36, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::Ok I'll try to expand that section on the Help page first and see how it looks and then maybe move it to a new page. Maybe I just need to add a few lines. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:48, 23 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::No need. I've created [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Message_to_New_Users that page] for you :) That what quicker to complete than I expected. I've now linked it from other pages etc. Let me know what you think. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 09:39, 24 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::Thats great. I think its a good idea to have a page just for new editors so they're more likely to read it and take this stuff more seriously. I linked it on [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:13, 25 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for fixing the Account Creation page. The policies group looks good drawing more attention to it. All of the recent changes should help quality control. And Sandbox pages look good too. I'll see if there's an easy way to auto populate sandbox pages with that template. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:34, 26 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::::No probs. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:49, 26 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Honorable mentions section on pages ==<br />
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How about linking Tarek Fateh's tweet on the What people say page (only because he's well known) and maybe a mention of this on the About page [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam#Muslims]? Throwing out some ideas. <br />
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Here's another idea. What about a section called "Honorable Mentions" at the bottom of a page if it was linked in such a way? People would love to know that and I know that would make them look at the page a second time and have greater respect for it. This will definitely encourage people to make more permanent (like a link on their website or blog) and temporary links (such as a post on a forum) to that page. This will also encourage other famous people to make such mentions (its a snowball effect).<br />
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I've also thought of having some kind of notes at the bottom of a page if for example a former Muslim mentions it saying that he was influenced by that page. This kind of information is interesting to readers. We know that there arent too many such pages. Maybe we can start tracking these kinds of things somewhere and when there's a lot we can do something about it (like how we did with the "What people say" page). Or a "Page Facts" / "About this page" / "Trivia" / "Page Trivia" section at the bottom (it could be a right-aligned box too so its less instrusive) where we can mention interesting tidbits like this about a page. For example the Page Trivia could have ''"1. Famous person X linked to this page. 2. Former Muslim Y was influnced by this page and mentioned it in their testimony. 3. This page was ... [XYZ] (something else interesting about this page)."'' <br />
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Definitely food for thought later on, if not now. Anyway whatever you think. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:05, 6 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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:Tarek Fatah is a critic of Islam. Everything he is known for, his activism, books, talks, and so on, is geared towards this. He has also been labelled an "Islamophobe" and has been likened to Robert Spencer. In some ways, he's probably more hated by Muslims than Robert, Ali, etc., because he self-identifies as a Muslim. So I don't think his tweet should be added to either page.<br />
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:About the trivia section at the bottom of pages, I'm against the idea as a whole (even before thinking of what those trivia sections will consist of). I think the idea, if implemented, would look odd. Some people may find it interesting, but it definitely wouldn't be professional or scholarly. And it's unnecessary clutter to pages that are already cluttered due to our (good) practice of referencing and heavily footnoting everything, using right aligned templates to link back to Core articles, etc. Wikipedia seems to agree; they limit back links and mentions in non-linkable media (scholarly journals, etc) to a box on the talk page of articles (e.g. see the page on Robert Spencer). Considering that Wikipedia uses some very unprofessional gimmicks (such as sometimes repeating key quotes in a larger font in a right aligned box), that's saying something. Think of broadsheets versus tabloids. We have the image of a broadsheet. That's what separates us from other similar sites. Resembling a tabloid may make it more interesting, but it drags the image of the site into the gutter. <br />
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:When we actually consider the potential content of these trivia sections, I don't think their effect would be at all positive. This site is different to most sites critical of Islam because it appeals even to those who are neutral towards Islam, even some orthodox Muslims use it as a resources for chronology of the Qur'an, fake hadith list etc. (think back about four years and you'll remember telling me this was your ultimate aim; to one day go around the wiki and remove all opinions, right-wing nonsense, etc. and thankfully I think that has been achieved). Of course, there's still a long way to go, and many more "neutrals" and Muslims that need to be attracted to the site (critics will already use the site, so trying to attract them is like singing to the choir i.e. pretty pointless). So:<br />
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:1. '''"Famous person X linked to this page."'''<br />
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:These "famous people" will almost certainly be critics of Islam. It's great that they use this site. That's what it's here for, for people to use. But celebrating this fact is counter-productive. Most of them come with unwanted baggage, such as discriminatory views on immigration, unwavering support for a certain nation over the other (regardless of their individual actions), and so on. What they believe shouldn't affect how people treat what they say about Islam, but in the real world it does. And if the wiki celebrates their use of the site, it unloads all of their unwanted baggage onto it. If a neutral or Muslim reads that at the bottom of the page (or even on the talk page) the instant reaction would be, "Tarek Fatah/Pat Condell/whoever likes this page? Then it's Islamophobic rubbish. Goodbye." It will even effect those who link to us in forum posts, because when forummers visit the link to see his/her side of the argument, they will too most likely dismiss it just as easily.<br />
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:2. '''"Former Muslim Y was influenced by this page and mentioned it in their testimony"'''<br />
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:This will probably have the same effect as reading number 1. In addition to that, it reflects badly on the site and makes it look too agenda driven. The point is, this site is here to educate and provide facts. Nothing more and nothing less. This (proper facts etc.) will obviously cause quite a few Muslims to leave Islam, but it should remain just that; a side-effect of eduction and proper facts. The site mission now is to "provide an accurate and comprehensive resource on Islam," not to "provide facts in order to help Muslims leave Islam" (as I believe it once was many years ago). Retaining such attitudes will result in a regression of the site's status, rather than an evolution of it. A site that still thinks of itself as a place to "provide facts in order to help Muslims leave Islam" will never be taken seriously by anyone other than the choir. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:39, 7 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Ok thats fine. Well at least it was advertised to 51K followers so there's that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:52, 7 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Translation of QHS:Corruption of Previous Scriptures ==<br />
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{{user|Damaskin}} sent an email saying he only wants to translate [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Corruption_of_Previous_Scriptures]] and not the whole series and I told thats most likely OK but I wanted to confirm with you. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:54, 10 November 2014 (PST)<br />
:Oh yeah, that's cool. The QHS section is not like a series written by one person, so most of these QHS pages can definitely stand on their own. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:01, 12 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Cool I'll let him know. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:15, 13 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Correspondence with visitors ==<br />
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This is totally up to you. You're probably already busy but if you want, I can forward you any interesting inquiries we get and we can publish them and their response online for people to read. It should result in more traffic (people will love to read those emails) and more emails as well (which could be a problem too). You can respond in any way you like. I could forward only a few or all the ones. I had talked about this before but I couldn't find any security settings that would help two people check the same account easily without any issues. <br />
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We could also have another email address which you can make and we can have people writing to that address for inquiries. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:59, 11 November 2014 (PST)<br />
:Hi Ax. What sorts of emails are they usually? I don't have too much time, but if you forwarded them to me I would try to answer the serious/important ones if you would like. I'm guessing you get a lot of trolling-type emails calling the site "Islamophobic". I think these can mostly be ignored, unless they include misconceptions that you and I can try to dispel. Email me if you want and we can discuss this more freely. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:20, 12 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Yea half of them are 'hate' mails that happen max of around once a month and even less. The frequency of all mails combined isnt too much since we dont make it easy for people to get that page (about, scroll down and hunt for the Contact link; as opposed to a straight 'contact us' link on every page which many sites have and that would make it easier for them). That was by design so we only get contacted on that address by people who really want to do so. Ok I'll forward you a few and continue this there. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:26, 13 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Changing Essays ==<br />
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[[The Rising Star of Incompetent Muslim Science]] would look better and the site would also give a better impression if the title was changed to something more nuetral and the language was modified. Do our current policies say essays should not be changed? I'm thinking they could be changed if the material can be edited to more closely follow the [[WikiIslam:Article Style and Content Guide|Style guidelines]]. And then the author can still keep their name in the article. Happy holidays. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:21, 24 December 2014 (PST)<br />
:Hi Ax. Thanks. I had a very Merry Christmas. Hope you did too. Yeah, I don't see a problem with administrators copy-editing essays for the sake of style. WikiIslam's essays policy ATM says, "If needed, essays/op-eds may be edited for relevance, clarity and language issues." So it would fit in with that, and it's hardly the same as another editor coming along and trying to alter the message/subject/focus of the essay (i.e. Sunshine). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 18:10, 27 December 2014 (PST)<br />
::I've moved that page and all associated links to "[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quran_and_Modern_Science_%E2%80%93_Conflict_or_Conciliation Qur’an and Modern Science: Conflict or Conciliation?]", so at least the first issue is sorted. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 18:27, 27 December 2014 (PST)<br />
:::Better than before, thanks. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:22, 28 December 2014 (PST)<br />
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[[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 18:52, 10 January 2015 (PST)<br />
:Thanks a lot. I'm now going to add Spanish to the sidebar on the left. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:13, 11 January 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Translations of textimonies ==<br />
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[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Waterlily_-_Voormalige_Moslem] For example. We can have a template note at the top of each testimony saying:<br />
:This is a translation of the original <nowiki>[[</nowiki>link|English testimony]].<br />
Link can go to the English page. The English one can have a note at the bottom saying<br />
:This testimony has been translated into <nowiki>[[</nowiki>link|Afrikaans]]. <br />
That will be easier than putting it in the Infobox. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:25, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
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:Cool. I've made two templates now ([http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Testimony-translation-afrikaans][http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Testimony-translation-english]). We'll need to get the first one translated into Afrikaans. About the second (English) one; could you please add that as an optional parameter to ''template:apostate-top'' like you have with the ''source='' thing? It would look much better without it being separated by that giant gap (the gap is in the original one obviously to provide a little space between the "legal" or "informational" stuff and the actual content). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:23, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
::Done: [[Template:Apostate-top]] and [[Template:Apostate-top-afrikaans]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 07:30, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
:::Awesome! Thanks, Ax! [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 11:42, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Additional translation links for Russian articles ==<br />
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Looking back I think I didnt have the best idea to keep Russian articles linked different by saying "for other languages see the links on the left". It would have been better to keep them all in the same place (unified) at the bottom of the page like we say it for other languages. Oops. Oh well. If you agree maybe that can be fixed one day for all the translations. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:51, 7 February 2015 (PST)<br />
:Yeah, I definitely agree. We should look to fixing that in the future. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:59, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
::Ok. I'll add it to the tasks list. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:03, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Translation steps ==<br />
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I wonder if this section can be moved to the top or bottom [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Instructions_for_Translators#Steps_for_a_Translation] and expanded to be a good checklist of the stuff that needs to be done (taking stuff from what that page says but in shortened bullet form). This way the translators themselves can follow that checklist and make all the changes. There can be sub-bullets too like 1.1 or 1.a, 1.b.. or just bullets under an existing bullet (* and then ** will make it a sub-bullet). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:12, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
:I think the way the page is set up right now is good because it covers pretty much everything, and it does it in the right order, and even splits it up into bite-sized stages. So if translators actually read the page, they couldn't go wrong. However they'd have to actually read the thing in the first place. So yeah, maybe a "Summary" section at the top of that page (or maybe even putting it back [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#Help_and_Guidelines here]?) would encourage that. I dunno. Maybe it will discourage new translators from ever reading the indepth part? Anyways, I'll try to write something up soon when I get time and we can see what it looks like. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:44, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
::Cool. Either place would be good. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:17, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Shia hadith ==<br />
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I dono if we discussed this before. But if i want to add Shia Hadith, where is the right place? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 23:16, 14 February 2015 (PST)<br />
:Hi Saggy. No we haven't discussed this before. And I don't think anyone has ever suggested/tried adding Shi'ite hadith to any pages before. I don't know how we would approach that. One thing we can't do is add Shi'ite hadith to pages with Sunni hadith or even to pages that discuss mainstream (i.e. Sunni) Islam. Doing so would undermine the credibility of those pages (they will be dismissed out-of-hand by Muslims with something like "LOL they use Shia hadith. Shia aint Muslim XD".). Shi'ite's are a minority so criticism of their religion is not really that high on the importance factor, but if it was done, it would probably be best confined to their own dedicated pages (they could then be linked from the [[Shiites|Shi'ites]] hub page). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:13, 15 February 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Highlight in RC for unchecked edits ==<br />
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I want to remove the Yellow and bold that comes for the unchecked edits. I think its too strong/annoying. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges . What do you think? We could just have it in normal text.<br />
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The yellow/bold creates some kind of pressure as if its urgent and has to be done right now which is not the case. So yea I think I'll remove that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:05, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:Yeah, totally agree. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Ok great. I got rid of it. It just looks like normal text now. -> http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:27, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:::Awesome. Looks much better. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:29, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
There's two commas in this one (after Daniel pipes):<br />
::::I added the bold back but not the color so atleast there's some difference between review text and other stuff but not too strong. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:09, 22 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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And one comma in this one (after the name) that doesnt have a date in it:<br />
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There's probably more bugs in it that I dont know of. [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Taurat&diff=111843&oldid=111842 There] I put the name in the 'link desc', just to make it work but it should really be in the Author field. Hopefully I'll fix it some day. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:43, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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:::Oh okay. Actually, I think the fact that you can put miscellaneous text in the desc field makes this template perfectly usable. Because if an "author" name is ever needed in an external link, then by default the editor who adds that link should also be providing us with the article's publisher and publication date. When those three fields are filled, the template works as intended. It's like with our citeweb template. Just because it can be used with a single field filled, does not mean that it is allowed on WikiIslam. As stated on WikiIslam:Citing Sources, the minimum parameters that should be used are: url= | title= | author= | publisher= | date= | archiveurl= | deadurl=no/yes. I will edit the instructions on that template to let editors know. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 16:59, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
::::Yea sure it can be used if those fields are filled out. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 07:58, 15 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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== Translations completed ==<br />
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Spanish translations of [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Quien matara a una persona (Corán 5:32)|If Anyone Slew a Person (Qur'an 5:32)]] and [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Falsos crímenes de odio anti-musulmán y otras mentiras|Fake Anti-Muslim Hate Crimes and Other Lies]]* are finished and ready to be checked.<br />
<br /> *I don't know how to translate the names of the country template.<br />
[[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 09:29, 21 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Aelu. That's great. I'll check those pages as soon as I can. No need to worry about the names in the country templates. I'll do that myself (if you like, you can check the Diffs to see what I did). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 23:14, 22 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Thank you so much for your help, specially for translating the countries. [[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 07:10, 27 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:::You're welcome! [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 11:03, 27 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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== Sunnah.com ==<br />
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What do you think about the reliability of sunnah.com? I havent looked into it. Their [http://sunnah.com/about About] page doesnt say much about who is behind the site etc. Its still a nice site though. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:59, 22 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
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:I've never had a problem with it, but some people say they soften translations don't they? They even say on the About page that the text has gone through two stages of "cleaning". They mention one stage is correcting typos, but they leave you hanging on what that second stage is. However, it's an Islamic site so anything we use from there won't be accused of being "fake". So I think it's okay as a backup or when nothing better is available. We already use it for the hadith collections that are not on USC-MSA. Our FAQ says "The English translations of Al Tirmidhi, Al Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah are all taken from Sunnah.com." Obviously I archived every single page for each of those hadith collections and our templates link to these archives (this way they cannot delete or alter hadiths). It's come in quite handy for me actually. The set of Ibn Majah hadith they copy/pasted include the hadiths grading and I [[Responses_to_Apologetics_-_Muhammad_and_Aisha#There_is_1_hadith_that_says_Aisha_.22never_saw_the_private_parts_of_Muhammad.22|used it to debunk]] an apologetic argument against Muhammad's pedophilia and simultaneously pointed out how those who use this argument are knowingly propagating false information. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:37, 23 April 2015 (PDT)</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Sahab&diff=112256User talk:Sahab2015-04-23T10:37:33Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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<div>== Tagging ==<br />
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Most of the content is written by you or has been heavily edited by you in any case. Do you intend to stop at some point or tag most/all the articles on the site? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:23, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Hi. Yeah, of course I intend to stop, once my work is tagged. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:50, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Isnt that going to be all the articles on the site? So about 2000 article tags?<br />
::What is your intention of tagging the articles? Do you want some kind of recognition or author attribution or do you want to prevent others from editing the work? etc I'm trying to understand the intent. We have tagged other people's work to mostly encourage others to edit or to encourage them to contribute more. Maybe we should re-think that and perhaps only essays should be tagged since they are of a personal nature and main content that complies with site policies should not be tagged. <br />
::We need to look at other sites to see how they handle this. Its a wiki after all and when pages are edited by everyone we can see why most wikis dont attribute their authors like this. Wikipedia doesnt make people tag their any of their articles even if they're basically the sole contributors of that page and thats a pretty big point I want to bring up here. Neither does Rational Wiki tag their articles like this. I think if its going to be all/most pages on the site that is going to discourage people from editing (thinking the pages shouldn't be edited further in any major way) so I dont think its a good idea.<br />
::We have all all worked on this site not for recognition but for charity and no one has asked for anything in return, just like how it happens on Wikipedia. If you want some kind of recognition we can create an "WikiIslam:About the Editors" page and mention all major past/current editors by name there and some short bios about them (if they want). I think that's reasonable.<br />
::Please discontinue the tagging until this discussion is settled. <br />
::Anyone else, feel free to share your opinions as well. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:01, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Obviously I do NOT want to prevent others from editing the work. Neither am I asking for monetary compensation, so I too have edited here as a form of charity. I simply want attribution for what I contributed to this site, just like how any other editor is entitled to the same. Nothing more, nothing less. This is not asking for too much now that I have moved on. We have allowed people to attribute their work (in this very non-evasive way) for many years now without a problem. Are you telling me now that the editor who has spent 5+ years editing the site like a fulltime job, probably contributed at least 80% of the site's content, was in charge of its networking with other sites, formulated and wrote most of its rules, administrated the site, helped new editors learn the ropes, and copy-edited/corrected/quality-controlled every single page, is going to have that right taken away from him? Other wikis may not attribute things, but we do. And if that changes now, it is pretty obvious to every one why it is only changing now. Over the years I have spoken to Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Jochen Katz, Robert from TROP, etc., and I can guarantee that any one of them would have bit their own hands off to have me join their sites and write for them. I chose to stay here, and this is how you are going to treat me now?[[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:26, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::: "Other wikis may not attribute things, but we do." - and once that was decided that should never be changed? We have done a lot of things incorrectly in the past and then changed course when we realized we should do it differently.<br />
:::: Once again why does Wikipedia and Rational Wiki not tag their articles? Why should we? There are editors on Wikipedia with a lot of edits ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits list]). There's one with 1.3 million edits and there's no recognition on individual articles. Here's a note at the end of that user's page for the user [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Koavf] with 1.3 million edits so you can see how they approach the subject:<br />
:::::''All contributions by this user are hereby released into the public domain. I, the author, hereby agree to waive all claim of copyright (economic and moral) in all content contributed by me, the user, and immediately place any and all contributions by me into the public domain, unless otherwise noted. I grant anyone the right to use my work for any purpose, without any conditions, to be changed or destroyed in any manner whatsoever without any attribution or notification.''<br />
::::Once someone edits a page you wrote they would take out your name or add theirs which doesnt make any sense.<br />
::::"I simply want recognition for what I contributed to this site" - That can be done in a "List of editors" way (like Wikipedia does it). We can list the number of edits there too. The other way people take pride in their work is having a list of articles they have contributed to in a major way and users make that list on their own user pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MissionInn.Jim#Contributions_to_Wikipedia for example.] ([https://www.google.com/search?q=%22articles+I+have+contributed+to%22+site%3Awikipedia.org&oq=%22articles+I+have+contributed+to%22+site%3Awikipedia.org others])<br />
::::These are the only two ways that I know of that Wikipedia has for attributing authors. The same for Rational Wiki.<br />
::::If you have moved on why would you care if you have your username on the pages and by that I mean, how would it impact you? I would be happy to mention your name in a new page "WikiIslam:About the Editors". I have thought of doing that multiple times in the past and I thought about doing that while you were actively editing and also after you left the last time (3 months ago). I thought it was important to let people know who the major contributors of the site have been but we dont do this on the pages themselves because they are open to editing by everyone and there is no ownership of pages as in "I wrote this". The point of a wiki is that it can be edited by anyone at any time. 80% of the content is incorrect by the way but you do have around 46% of the site's edits up to this point (the most by any user and that can be rounded up to 50%) and the rest of what you wrote can be mentioned with some edits (if needed) to let people know that as of today you are the most significant editor on the site. That is fair and appropriate but not the article tagging. In fact this attribution method gives you more recognition because we can tell people what you did on the site (how you created the site structure, site map, the categories etc. etc.). You can also make a separate page for your list of articles that you're tagging and we can link that there in the "About the editors" page. Your method, a name on an article wont tell people much. Many people only view a few pages in their visit in any case. So I think having a page for the editors is a better idea. <br />
::::If you also need a reference letter or something like that for the work you've done with the bullet points you mentioned we can discuss that as well and I can write up something by email. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:09, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
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:::::Content and edits are two different things. I'm pretty sure if you count the number of pages created or primarily filled with my work, the "80% of the content" statement is not so inaccurate. Since I have ''literally'' edited every single page on this wiki, even the pages which have not been created or primarily filled with my work will still likely have some of my work in there. And many of the articles that have not been created or primarily filled with my work only exist on this site through my networking with other authors off site. So another way to calculate the percentage would be to take all contributions as a whole and divide it as a whole rather than only counting pages created or primarily filled with my work.<br />
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:::::With that said and done, the exact percentage is not really important. If you say about 50 percent, then fine. I think your ideas in how to handle this situation seems reasonable. So yeah, okay. I will create that page and even de-tag those pages for you. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:42, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::Ok. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 04:12, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Suggestion ==<br />
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If you spent a very long time here, why dont you go ahead publishing its contents (partially) on other sites and blogs and forums? I know some sites will moderate out our posts but we need those who won't. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 11:07, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Saggy. Thanks for the suggestion. However, I've done plenty of that already. Promoting/defending the site on forums, spreading the word to other websites, I even had my own blog (now inactive) where I promoted/defended the website. thereligionofpeace.com kindly featured a couple of my posts where I linked to this website (a very kind gesture from him, considering I had only recently created the blog itself). Had plenty of traffic from there and Reddit.com too. But after 5 years I have ended up leaving under what I feel are strained circumstances, so I wouldn't be interested in more of the same, at least not any time soon. I think my contributions to this site alone (minus the tech side of things which Axius handled) would be enough to make this website very nearly what it is today. So I may try to replicate that success with my own site if one of the guys/gals over at the FFI forum are willing to help me out on the tech side. Or I may inquire about joining with one of the already established sites. Some of the pages I've written (e.g. all of the [[Persecution]] pages, [[Priapism_-_Permanent_Erection|Priapism]], [[72 Virgins]], [[Fastest Growing Religion]], [[Responses_to_Apologetics_-_Muhammad_and_Aisha|Muhammad and Aisha]], [[Muslim Statistics]], [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Lying and Deception|Lying and Deception]], [[Muhammad in Other Scriptures]], [[Muhammad and History's 100 Most Influential People|The 100]], [[List_of_Genuine_Islamic_Inventions_Innovations_Records_and_Firsts|List of Genuine Islamic Inventions]], and [[Dr._Keith_Moore_and_the_Islamic_Additions|Dr. Keith Moore]], among others) are completely unique to this site or have never been done in such detail anywhere else. I feel this material has added to the library of Islam-criticism in general and has provided a lot of individuals with much needed information. I'm very proud of that and am content with knowing I did my bit, so I may not even continue at all with Islam. I'm honestly not sure at the moment. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 16:09, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::You can try contacting Klingschor and TheRationalizer or post a message on the CEMB forum (the CEMB has a [http://councilofexmuslims.com/wiki/en/Main_Page wiki] too as you know). I know Klingschor made a post a long time ago on the CEMB forum wanting to create a new site. Maybe you can get together with these people and do something. The more websites there are for criticism of Islam the better. I'm pretty sure these people can arrange for some kind of tech help. I know TheRationalizer's email so let me know if you want to email him. They're both also from the UK and have good Youtube channels with lots of subscribers so they're somewhat accomplished and passionate about criticism of Islam. Unless one works alone they have to work through differences of opinions with other people so that will always be there when others are involved.<br />
::No one can be stopped from leaving the site or deciding not to contribute anymore. That's their wish. I've tried to be fair for example I have tried to prevent wrongful blocks and give editors more opportunities. I believe everyone has equal rights in deciding what should happen on the site. After observing that there were too many intense conflicts starting to take place I worked hard on thinking about how to create some [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Core_Principles#Community community guidelines] so people stop arguing over minor issues and instead focus on the content of the site. I added a nice [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Axius quote] to my user page about this. You made those community guidelines from that long document I sent in email and you can tell how much I was bothered by conflicts to have written so much on the topic. But when someone maintains that kind of approach it usually means they are done with their activism and want to slow down or take a long break or just stop (which is fine but others shouldn't be held responsible for it in any way). I don't want to debate over this for long but yes if you want to leave that's your wish. Good luck in whatever you do in the future. All of us editors on the site and its thousands of visitors are very thankful to you for the work you've done and you're welcome to come back at any time. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:00, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Well, we're obviously going to disagree on this, and I'm sure we could rant at each other all day long about what went wrong here, but I have no desire to do that and I'm sure you don't either. About Klingschor and TheRationalizer; lol come on Ax, be serious :) As far as I'm concerned, those guys are dishonest and part of the bigger problem. Damn privileged westerners who think they know it all. Get one of them to admit that lying is a religious part of Islam that allows Muslims to lie to non-Muslims ([[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Lying and Deception|just like the authentic Sunni sources prove]]) and I'll take my words back. Until then.... You know I still have respect for all practicing Muslims. These guys do what they do because they believe what they do is from their god and is the right thing to do. These other guys only prove you don't need to believe in a sky fairy to be full of shite. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:24, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::Oh, and not that it really matters, but you're definitely wrong about me being done with the criticism of Islam or wanting a break. If it wasn't for the issues we encountered here I feel I could and would have continued indefinitely. Now that I have decided to leave this site, that is what has me thinking about what I'm going to do now. Who knows, I may still end up creating a few wiki article every so often. Oh and another thing; the spam filters wont let me de-tag [[Muslim_Statistics_-_Alcohol_and_Drugs|this]] page. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:29, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::They're valuable to me for the parts of criticism where I agree with them (like his blog post on [http://klingschor.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-meaning-of-kawaib-in-quran.html Kawaib]) so I dont write them off because of differences in certain areas but ok I understand how people often approach differences. Others likely do the same. It would be a nice one-on-one debate on that lying topic and others. Well take a long break, enjoy yourself or come here, whatever you feel like doing. I fixed the spam issue, had to change something in settings. You could try Wikipedia for a while for your favorite topics and see what happens. When I was there I learned a lot of things and many people inspired me. They have some really good people there. The way that community works and handles disputes is pretty impressive. If you worked there for say 6 months or even a year you would have to work with non-Muslims and Muslims who dont agree with you and there's many more policies with a lot of supervisors and people to watch over you and keep you in check. Its a tough atmosphere. When you come back here you'll think this place is heaven where you have a lot of freedom and you'll really appreciate it and learn to compromise and not spend much time on things that are minor disagreements. Its a good place to get trained in working with others and also see how well (in general) they tolerate beginners or people who arent experienced long-term editors. Crap goes on there too. All in all its a good place to experience. So yea I really think you should do that. That's my advice. I should add this advice to the long policy document I wrote. There's also free wikis, or you can work on Sandboxes here on your articles and move them out to somewhere else if you want. Or take a giant break from all of it (thats a good thing too), its all up to you. Whatever you feel like doing. If you want to get back in here let me know if you want the admin tools back but in that case I would like strict adherence to the community guidelines keeping in mind that disagreements are going to happen all the time. It was stressful for me and I just dont have the energy to tolerate that kind of atmosphere anymore which is good because there's other people here too and everyone is affected. We aren't here to be adversaries and have nothing to gain with disputes or hostilities. We have important common goals. I have apologized in the past or have tried to if I did anything wrong. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:47, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::It's more than minor disagreements that are the issue here, and some of them have no parallels at Wikipedia. Besides, I already have my own account over at Wikipedia. I don't use it for any Islam-related topics but it's active. I doubt I'll want my admin rights back, but I'll let you know if I change my mind. And thanks for suggesting that I work on articles here if I want. That's very kind of you. It may be helpful working on material and interacting somewhere that is familiar to me. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 04:12, 1 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::::The articles you work on over there, are they controversial? For example in Islam related articles there's a great different of opinion (obviously) while other topics are pretty calm and its all smooth sailing. Is this a good page name to talk about the editors: WikiIslam: About the Editors, or Meet the Editors, I dont know. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:52, 1 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::::WikiIslam:Meet the Editors sounds the best I think. About the Editors sounds kind of ominous, like you're about to reveal some sort of secret. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:03, 1 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Possibilities ==<br />
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So I was thinking about it. <br />
:''If it wasn't for the issues we encountered here I feel I could and would have continued indefinitely.'' <br />
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If that's the case then I don't want to be in your way. If there's a possibility of you coming back to the site and editing as before then here's something I haven't done before. I'll let you be the decision maker of the site for any issues. You can delete [[Freethinker_Javed_-_Former_Muslim|this testimony]] and.. what else: those footer Menu links that the RU site has on the bottom of their pages. There wasn't really much else content-wise to disagree on. We have always had the same ideas about most of the stuff on the site and I've told you that before. About having any other stuff that's critical of other religions I hadn't decided on that for that certain case (e.g. [[User_talk:Axius#The_Quran_and_Mountains|roots of mountains]]) and I would have done things in a very subtle way if we ever tried to do something (a small link or a note about that issue, etc). Nothing that would be strong criticism like we do for Islam. <br />
You can create a new wikiislam email address and be its recipient for all incoming site mail (not a huge volume of incoming so nothing much to worry about) and replace the email address in the contact page. I'll keep the old address for maintaining account issues. You can make all decisions on the site whatever they are, both for content and for managing users. I can only suggest you to give chances to other editors and be forgiving of their mistakes - or not. I care about that the most but its up to you. If people talk about their experiences off-site we cant control that and once its out there, its hard to control it. That's why I've wanted to be as forgiving as possible so no one has a valid reason to write anything bad about us because then its like a bad review for a business. It can be damaging.<br />
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The reasons I want to do this is that I haven't tried this before. I don't see myself contributing any time soon to the wiki like you have and since you have done a lot, you should be able to decide what happens on the site. The growth of the site is more important than seeing who decides what. What do you think? Maybe its already too late but in case here it is. If not then I'll just be in minimum maintenance mode as I have been for a while now and if you're here in any capacity, big or small I'll still let you do what you want to do so there. That's it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:07, 2 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Wow. Could you let me think about it for a few days? I don't mean to sound ungrateful (because I most certainly am ''very'' grateful for the offer) but I really don't know what my answer will be. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 18:38, 2 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Yea take your time. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:29, 2 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Also wondering what changes you would make in that situation. Imagine I don't exist. That would help thinking about what you would do. For example deleting some of the testimonies you think are fake. I might not agree but you can do it if you want. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:35, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::At the moment I really doubt I will accept your kind offer. I'm not 100% sure either way yet but there are multiple issues to consider and saying yes would be a very big commitment on my part. I need to get my head sorted and will talk things through with Al-Qaum. <br />
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::::Concerning changes; there wouldn't be many I don't think. For the first 4 years you did give me pretty much free reign on the wiki and it has only been the past year or so that we have been butting heads. We also agree on the majority of things so that helps. Yeah I would be more critical of testimonies and (as I've said in the past) I believe testimonies of leaving Islam should actually be testimonies about leaving Islam, not rants about how much they hate religions (of course a short paragraph of general thoughts is fine but the bulk of it should be exactly what it says on the tin). <br />
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::::I definitely would NOT get rid of those footer Menu links that the RU site has on the bottom of their pages. I don't particularly like them but Claustrum is a very competent individual and I would try to respect the "Sub-domains do their own thing" rule. I agree with that. If I ever overstep the mark over at the RU site it's not because I want to but because it's instinctive for me to press delete when I see pointless rants by Muslim trolls. <br />
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::::I haven't really thought about what I would change. I don't think it's about change, I think it's more about sticking closely to what we already claim to be content-wise (which is what I believe makes us who we are). There would be no attacking each other over belief, race or sexuality. Islam-critical sites are always accused of hatred so we need to set a shining example by showing zero tolerance. This should be shown through unambiguous policies which clearly outline our stance. Free speech is completely irrelevant in the context of a privately owned website, especially when it has contributors outside of the US. What is relevant is the religion of Islam, and also the need for us to make sure we're not tarred with the same "xenophobic right-wingers" brush. Editors should feel safe while they're here and not have to listen to other editors rants. There are plenty of other outlets for them to do that stuff if they wanted to, this place should only be about Islam. So really everything concerning content in our core principles would be followed closely (including tailoring our articles for a universal audience). <br />
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::::I'm not sure what the final page would be, but there definitely wouldn't be an article titled "[[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Western_Scientists|Western Scientists]]" (after all, scientists are scientists, and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of great non-Western scientists in Israel, India and so on). And there certainly wouldn't be any machine translated articles on the site :) lol. Yeah, I haven't really thought of much, just what came off the top of my head. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 08:35, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::Ok. About the bottom nav boxes, yea I was talking about the EN site. So if anyone said they'd want to get them here on the EN site you would say no as you have said before - thats fine.<br />
:::::Alright so even if you arent here or wont accept the offer I'm just in minimum maintenance mode as I've been for a long time. If there are any decisions to be made I'm going to defer them to you if you are here. [''Saggy'': please take note and ask Sahab if you have any questions or ideas. I know previously I asked you to go to the forum page and you can do that but you can also directly approach Sahab.]<br />
:::::You can remove vandalism/troll responses on the RU site if you want, do as you wish. <br />
:::::Western Scientists was a temporary name. If that editor (Al Russell) shows up to work on that page and you dont like the work you can delete it and let him know.<br />
::::: Looking back yes this is a change in my approach for the site. Once again I should say why. I've just decided to give control over to the person who has more time for it or cares enough to defend their positions. I'm here its just that I'll just maintain stuff but not anything more. If the unusual happens and we get new editors with the same intensity of interest in the site as you we'll see what to do. A successful organization is open for change and is always evaluating new ideas. For example the development of policies and content on Wikipedia is dependent on who joins that site and takes interest in it. <br />
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::::::''"For the first 4 years you did give me pretty much free reign on the wiki and it has only been the past year or so that we have been butting heads. We also agree on the majority of things so that helps."'' <br />
:::::Yes we do agree on most things. You wont find any place in the world where you get your way 100% of the time whether its an online workspace like Wikipedia or a real-life situation like an office. As I see it if a small number of disagreements cause someone to leave the scene there's probably some other reason as to why they would leave, something else is going on; perhaps they've become busy or their priorities have changed and they needed to get to a tipping point to make that change actually happen. At that point there's a need to step back and look at the situation objectively wait till things have calmed down a little. Maybe thats happened while you were away. One can see the big picture and see that minor disagreements dont really matter. People should be open to compromise and tolerate differences of opinions. As for content quality I've always agreed that we shouldn't compromise on that. While you were away you can see how I tried to defend the quality of Scientific errors in the Quran by not allowing new errors entered unless the previous ones were fixed. I don't like banning someone outright and I like allowing people to work in their sandboxes (we do that for every thing that has not been finalized yet). Any way you're free to do what you want, leaving or staying in whatever capacity you want. If you do stay please don't stop others from contributing in their sandboxes. They are not indexed by search engines, so they dont get any traffic and if needed we can put headers on top of all sandboxes pages telling people these pages are not part of the Core content and are not meant to be viewed by the public. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 11:48, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::''"At the moment I really doubt I will accept your kind offer."'' - Ok in that case I take back the offer which means, any disputes will be resolved with everyone else's feedback involved and not just what one person says. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:56, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Cool. I'm just glad we managed to part on good terms. You say that contributions whether big or small are welcome from me, so (if you don't mind) I'll still pop in from time-to-time and give you a hand with finalizing stuff, copy-editing and my "no obligation" input/thoughts on good/bad ideas (at least this way you'll have a few different perspectives to consider and decide on either way). And of course if you need help on something or there is an emergency (I'm not sure what but you never know) I'm more than happy to do my best to help when I can. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 22:04, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::::Yea that's great if you can still help out and also give your thoughts on various stuff. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:29, 5 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== List of works ==<br />
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[[User:Sahab/Lists_of_Works]] - you can clean it up in Word using these steps:<br />
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* Replace "^p^phttp://wikiislam.net/wiki/" by "]]^p* [["<br />
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* %27 by '<br />
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* Fix entries at end of each list and any other header text that is not in lists.<br />
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* Sort lists ascending (copy paste each list in Excel and sort), some entries may have to be fixed.<br />
* Write texts of how you structured the site using hub pages and inserted and maintained hub links for almost every page on the site and how that was used in the Site map which is a very important way of browsing the site and also tells people of the breadth of the knowledge present in the site.<br />
* Using multi-level lists for example <br />
* Farsideology<br />
** Aisha (Farsideology)<br />
** Allah (Farsideology) <br />
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Also just wondering. Is this for yourself or for a reference of some kind for being evaluated by someone for example? You dont have to tell anything. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:14, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Thanks Ax! I was thinking "I'm sure Axius would know a quicker way to get this done", but was gonna do all that manually. It's for both. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:27, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Ok. Thats what it looked like to me. If you want an email (mentioning your work here) sent to someone from the wikiislam address I can do that (after you approve it). I dont have any problems with that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:51, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks Ax. I don't need that ATM but will be sure to ask if I do. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 22:06, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Meet the editors ==<br />
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Wow you did your magic. The page looks great ([[WikiIslam:Sandbox/WikiIslam:Meet_the_Editors]]). I wish there was a "Sahabify" button. I will try to fix it further. I feel this is a very important page and will make people connect to the site on a personal level (the "who" question is one of the first a visitor asks when they visit a site and they're interested in it). Lets see what else. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:20, 6 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Thanks Ax :) Yeah, I'll keep working on it too. I particularly like how the description of Farside turned out :D I think visitors will definitely be left with a positive impression of WikiIslam editors as a whole. It's kind of unique also because it highlights just how different we all are. Most sites do not have this sort of diversity when it comes to its members. That's pretty cool. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:27, 7 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::I agree. I liked that too, 'prophet Farside'. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:39, 7 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Images ==<br />
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Hello, I stumbled accross this site on the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Images_of_Jihad_-_Indonesia Images of Jihad (Indonesia)] and [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Images_of_Jihad_-_Indonesia_-_Killings_Various_Dates Images of Jihad (Indonesia): Killings, Various Dates] articles, and there are several pictures which are mislabelled and have nothing to do with religious violence.<br />
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Chinese didn't actually get killed in the streets on May 1998. What happened was Indonesian looters attacked Chinese shops and tried stealing from them, but accidently started a fire and burned themselves to death instead. And then after that, dozens of rapes were reported against the Chinese. Most violence against Chinese was not killing, but attempted looting and raping. [https://web.archive.org/web/20020615225114/http://www.serve.com/inside/digest/dig86.htm] [http://www.library.ohiou.edu/indopubs/1998/05/31/0029.html] [http://books.google.com/books?id=bCsgAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA34#v=onepage&q&f=false] And thats no whitewashing of what happened, since rape is a very repulsive act.<br />
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The images of people getting killed on the streets and beheaded are from other incidents, like Dayaks vs Madurese in Kalimantan, in Sampit, Sambas, and Indonesians going on a witch hunt in Banyuwangi.<br />
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Dayaks (non-Muslims) and Malays (Muslims) both participated in killing Madurese (Muslims). It was not religious, but ethnic hatred. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/1186401.stm]<br />
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The images labeled as "Chinese" victims, are actually Madurese getting killed by Dayaks, or suspected "witches" getting killed in Banyuwangi. The people in those photos are all non-Chinese.<br />
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The original sources can be seen here- [http://www.fica.org/hr/lain/lain4.htm] [http://www.fica.org/hr/ambon/ambon1/Sanggauledo1.html] [http://www.fica.org/hr/ambon/ambon1/Sanggauledo2.html] [http://www.oocities.org/~budis1/article/head_hunter2.htm] [http://www.fica.org/hr/Sanggauledo.html] [http://ceritaindonesia.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/dayak-vs-madura1.jpg]<br />
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You can see that the Banyuwangi riots were not related to Muslims vs non-Muslims. [http://www.insideindonesia.org/weekly-articles/the-banyuwangi-murders]<br />
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There IS real religious violence in Indonesia, like the images of the girl beheaded by Islamists in Sulawesi, but these other images are incorrect.<br />
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These are the specific images which should be removed- [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_17.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082447&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e1.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145124&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e2.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145136&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e3.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145149&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e4.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145205&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e5.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145219&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e6.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145232&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_19.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082509&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e7.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145244&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e8.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145256&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_10.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082327&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_13.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082403&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_15.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082425&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_17.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082447&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e9.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145309&]<br />
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Its because some idiots on internet forums in China heard what was going on in Indonesia in May 1998 with looting of Chinese stores and rapes, so when they looked up "Indonesia riots" on the internet, they got the wrong photos, and pasted these photos all over their forums. This is how these photos originally got mislabelled.<br />
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In Myanmar, some Islamists falsely took photos of Tsunami victims, earthquake victims in China, and of Tibetan protestors setting themselves on fire, and labelled them as Rohingya Muslims getting killed by Burmese Buddhists. [http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2012/0803/Pakistan-s-extremists-whip-up-frenzy-over-Burma-s-Muslims] [http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/12867/social-media-is-lying-to-you-about-burmas-muslim-cleansing/] [http://www.irrawaddy.org/rohingya/canadian-ngo-protests-rohingya-misinformation.html] [http://archive.thedailystar.net/beta2/news/where-lies-reign-supreme/] [http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-photos-with-dead-bodies-in-media-reports-on-myanmar-conflict/5302994] [http://tibet.net/2012/08/04/pak-extremists-exaggerating-violence-against-burmas-muslims-to-fund-own-agendas/]<br />
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What happened here is not deliberate like what those Islamists did, but it still needs to be corrected. In fact you can create an article about fake images used by Islamists in the Rohingya conflict instead. [[User:Cleft|Cleft]] ([[User talk:Cleft|talk]]) 23:22, 10 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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:Cool. Thanks for that info. I will read through those links you provided and sort them out soon when I get time. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:04, 11 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks again for bringing this issue to my attention. It has now been sorted. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 14:30, 20 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== You have some time? ==<br />
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Axius is gone for days. Do you have the time to review one or two additions per day? Then I will make them at that rate. Also I have many hadiths on angels. eg, giant angels, carriers of the throne. Is is best fit for QHS cosmology or a new QHS? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 05:42, 7 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Saggy, I'm sorry, I don't. It's probably best to stick with sandboxes (that goes for your angel query too), as Axius advised. I'm only helping out as a transitional courtesy here and will soon be winding down my own editing further. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 00:47, 8 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Page for Editing Permissions==<br />
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I was thinking of renaming "http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Pending_Changes_Protection" to 'Editing Permissions' or something (Editing Rights, Editing privileges) so it can be more broad and we can talk about protection of pages in more situations (vandalism or new editors or those who have been told not to edit the main space). I'll think about it and maybe make a page in Sandbox. <br />
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Also I feel editors who have been told not to edit main space should not be listed on the Editors [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Meet_the_Editors] page. I'm guessing you'd agree with that. That would only mean removing Saggy (which I had added myself). I feel we want to represent editors who display at least a minimum level of good judgement. That would mean that if they've been asked not to edit main space, that doesnt show good judgement and we dont want people to see them and think they are examples of good editors. Nothing bad on them of course. If they improve their work in Sandboxes they can always be considered regular editors when they are allowed back on main space (slim chance of that happening but we want to be open to that possibility otherwise we might appear to be unkind). I've included this [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam%3AMeet_the_Editors&diff=109814&oldid=109618 note] as a comment on that page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:55, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Yeah, I agree about the "Meet the Editors" page. I'll do that now. Concerning a "Editing Permissions" page, the idea is good, but I don't think the "Pending Changes Protection" page needs to be renamed for it. Rather, the "Editing Permissions" page could be its own separate page that links out from the "Pending Changes Protection" page (probably could add an inline link from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Pending_Changes_Protection#Can_my_edits_be_reviewed_automatically.3F this] section]). The subject of both pages is pretty distinct and so will be the pages linking to them. The new "Editing Permissions" page could include content from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#New_Users this] section of the help page. Maybe it shouldn't be called "Editing Permissions" but some other name that makes it clear that it is the first port of call for new editors? [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 11:17, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Yea I guess it would be better to have a new page on it. I cant think of any other name other than Editing permissions. Hmmmmm. How about these titles from Wikipedia:<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editorial_oversight_and_control<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Quality_control<br />
::--[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:55, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Actually, after reading [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#New_Users this] section of the help page again, isn't that what you basically want to put on this new page? In that case, what about, "[[WikiIslam:Note to New Users]]," or "[[WikiIslam:Message to New Users]]"? That page could then also mention and link to the Required Reading list. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:36, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::Ok I'll try to expand that section on the Help page first and see how it looks and then maybe move it to a new page. Maybe I just need to add a few lines. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:48, 23 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::No need. I've created [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Message_to_New_Users that page] for you :) That what quicker to complete than I expected. I've now linked it from other pages etc. Let me know what you think. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 09:39, 24 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::Thats great. I think its a good idea to have a page just for new editors so they're more likely to read it and take this stuff more seriously. I linked it on [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:13, 25 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for fixing the Account Creation page. The policies group looks good drawing more attention to it. All of the recent changes should help quality control. And Sandbox pages look good too. I'll see if there's an easy way to auto populate sandbox pages with that template. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:34, 26 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::::No probs. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:49, 26 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Honorable mentions section on pages ==<br />
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How about linking Tarek Fateh's tweet on the What people say page (only because he's well known) and maybe a mention of this on the About page [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam#Muslims]? Throwing out some ideas. <br />
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Here's another idea. What about a section called "Honorable Mentions" at the bottom of a page if it was linked in such a way? People would love to know that and I know that would make them look at the page a second time and have greater respect for it. This will definitely encourage people to make more permanent (like a link on their website or blog) and temporary links (such as a post on a forum) to that page. This will also encourage other famous people to make such mentions (its a snowball effect).<br />
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I've also thought of having some kind of notes at the bottom of a page if for example a former Muslim mentions it saying that he was influenced by that page. This kind of information is interesting to readers. We know that there arent too many such pages. Maybe we can start tracking these kinds of things somewhere and when there's a lot we can do something about it (like how we did with the "What people say" page). Or a "Page Facts" / "About this page" / "Trivia" / "Page Trivia" section at the bottom (it could be a right-aligned box too so its less instrusive) where we can mention interesting tidbits like this about a page. For example the Page Trivia could have ''"1. Famous person X linked to this page. 2. Former Muslim Y was influnced by this page and mentioned it in their testimony. 3. This page was ... [XYZ] (something else interesting about this page)."'' <br />
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Definitely food for thought later on, if not now. Anyway whatever you think. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:05, 6 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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:Tarek Fatah is a critic of Islam. Everything he is known for, his activism, books, talks, and so on, is geared towards this. He has also been labelled an "Islamophobe" and has been likened to Robert Spencer. In some ways, he's probably more hated by Muslims than Robert, Ali, etc., because he self-identifies as a Muslim. So I don't think his tweet should be added to either page.<br />
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:About the trivia section at the bottom of pages, I'm against the idea as a whole (even before thinking of what those trivia sections will consist of). I think the idea, if implemented, would look odd. Some people may find it interesting, but it definitely wouldn't be professional or scholarly. And it's unnecessary clutter to pages that are already cluttered due to our (good) practice of referencing and heavily footnoting everything, using right aligned templates to link back to Core articles, etc. Wikipedia seems to agree; they limit back links and mentions in non-linkable media (scholarly journals, etc) to a box on the talk page of articles (e.g. see the page on Robert Spencer). Considering that Wikipedia uses some very unprofessional gimmicks (such as sometimes repeating key quotes in a larger font in a right aligned box), that's saying something. Think of broadsheets versus tabloids. We have the image of a broadsheet. That's what separates us from other similar sites. Resembling a tabloid may make it more interesting, but it drags the image of the site into the gutter. <br />
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:When we actually consider the potential content of these trivia sections, I don't think their effect would be at all positive. This site is different to most sites critical of Islam because it appeals even to those who are neutral towards Islam, even some orthodox Muslims use it as a resources for chronology of the Qur'an, fake hadith list etc. (think back about four years and you'll remember telling me this was your ultimate aim; to one day go around the wiki and remove all opinions, right-wing nonsense, etc. and thankfully I think that has been achieved). Of course, there's still a long way to go, and many more "neutrals" and Muslims that need to be attracted to the site (critics will already use the site, so trying to attract them is like singing to the choir i.e. pretty pointless). So:<br />
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:1. '''"Famous person X linked to this page."'''<br />
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:These "famous people" will almost certainly be critics of Islam. It's great that they use this site. That's what it's here for, for people to use. But celebrating this fact is counter-productive. Most of them come with unwanted baggage, such as discriminatory views on immigration, unwavering support for a certain nation over the other (regardless of their individual actions), and so on. What they believe shouldn't affect how people treat what they say about Islam, but in the real world it does. And if the wiki celebrates their use of the site, it unloads all of their unwanted baggage onto it. If a neutral or Muslim reads that at the bottom of the page (or even on the talk page) the instant reaction would be, "Tarek Fatah/Pat Condell/whoever likes this page? Then it's Islamophobic rubbish. Goodbye." It will even effect those who link to us in forum posts, because when forummers visit the link to see his/her side of the argument, they will too most likely dismiss it just as easily.<br />
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:2. '''"Former Muslim Y was influenced by this page and mentioned it in their testimony"'''<br />
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:This will probably have the same effect as reading number 1. In addition to that, it reflects badly on the site and makes it look too agenda driven. The point is, this site is here to educate and provide facts. Nothing more and nothing less. This (proper facts etc.) will obviously cause quite a few Muslims to leave Islam, but it should remain just that; a side-effect of eduction and proper facts. The site mission now is to "provide an accurate and comprehensive resource on Islam," not to "provide facts in order to help Muslims leave Islam" (as I believe it once was many years ago). Retaining such attitudes will result in a regression of the site's status, rather than an evolution of it. A site that still thinks of itself as a place to "provide facts in order to help Muslims leave Islam" will never be taken seriously by anyone other than the choir. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:39, 7 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Ok thats fine. Well at least it was advertised to 51K followers so there's that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:52, 7 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Translation of QHS:Corruption of Previous Scriptures ==<br />
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{{user|Damaskin}} sent an email saying he only wants to translate [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Corruption_of_Previous_Scriptures]] and not the whole series and I told thats most likely OK but I wanted to confirm with you. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:54, 10 November 2014 (PST)<br />
:Oh yeah, that's cool. The QHS section is not like a series written by one person, so most of these QHS pages can definitely stand on their own. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:01, 12 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Cool I'll let him know. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:15, 13 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Correspondence with visitors ==<br />
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This is totally up to you. You're probably already busy but if you want, I can forward you any interesting inquiries we get and we can publish them and their response online for people to read. It should result in more traffic (people will love to read those emails) and more emails as well (which could be a problem too). You can respond in any way you like. I could forward only a few or all the ones. I had talked about this before but I couldn't find any security settings that would help two people check the same account easily without any issues. <br />
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We could also have another email address which you can make and we can have people writing to that address for inquiries. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:59, 11 November 2014 (PST)<br />
:Hi Ax. What sorts of emails are they usually? I don't have too much time, but if you forwarded them to me I would try to answer the serious/important ones if you would like. I'm guessing you get a lot of trolling-type emails calling the site "Islamophobic". I think these can mostly be ignored, unless they include misconceptions that you and I can try to dispel. Email me if you want and we can discuss this more freely. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:20, 12 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Yea half of them are 'hate' mails that happen max of around once a month and even less. The frequency of all mails combined isnt too much since we dont make it easy for people to get that page (about, scroll down and hunt for the Contact link; as opposed to a straight 'contact us' link on every page which many sites have and that would make it easier for them). That was by design so we only get contacted on that address by people who really want to do so. Ok I'll forward you a few and continue this there. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:26, 13 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Changing Essays ==<br />
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[[The Rising Star of Incompetent Muslim Science]] would look better and the site would also give a better impression if the title was changed to something more nuetral and the language was modified. Do our current policies say essays should not be changed? I'm thinking they could be changed if the material can be edited to more closely follow the [[WikiIslam:Article Style and Content Guide|Style guidelines]]. And then the author can still keep their name in the article. Happy holidays. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:21, 24 December 2014 (PST)<br />
:Hi Ax. Thanks. I had a very Merry Christmas. Hope you did too. Yeah, I don't see a problem with administrators copy-editing essays for the sake of style. WikiIslam's essays policy ATM says, "If needed, essays/op-eds may be edited for relevance, clarity and language issues." So it would fit in with that, and it's hardly the same as another editor coming along and trying to alter the message/subject/focus of the essay (i.e. Sunshine). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 18:10, 27 December 2014 (PST)<br />
::I've moved that page and all associated links to "[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quran_and_Modern_Science_%E2%80%93_Conflict_or_Conciliation Qur’an and Modern Science: Conflict or Conciliation?]", so at least the first issue is sorted. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 18:27, 27 December 2014 (PST)<br />
:::Better than before, thanks. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:22, 28 December 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Spanish Template ==<br />
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Thanks for your message :)! I promise to complete the other pending articles on this week. Here goes:<br />
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[[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 18:52, 10 January 2015 (PST)<br />
:Thanks a lot. I'm now going to add Spanish to the sidebar on the left. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:13, 11 January 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Translations of textimonies ==<br />
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[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Waterlily_-_Voormalige_Moslem] For example. We can have a template note at the top of each testimony saying:<br />
:This is a translation of the original <nowiki>[[</nowiki>link|English testimony]].<br />
Link can go to the English page. The English one can have a note at the bottom saying<br />
:This testimony has been translated into <nowiki>[[</nowiki>link|Afrikaans]]. <br />
That will be easier than putting it in the Infobox. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:25, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
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:Cool. I've made two templates now ([http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Testimony-translation-afrikaans][http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Testimony-translation-english]). We'll need to get the first one translated into Afrikaans. About the second (English) one; could you please add that as an optional parameter to ''template:apostate-top'' like you have with the ''source='' thing? It would look much better without it being separated by that giant gap (the gap is in the original one obviously to provide a little space between the "legal" or "informational" stuff and the actual content). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:23, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
::Done: [[Template:Apostate-top]] and [[Template:Apostate-top-afrikaans]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 07:30, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
:::Awesome! Thanks, Ax! [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 11:42, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Additional translation links for Russian articles ==<br />
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Looking back I think I didnt have the best idea to keep Russian articles linked different by saying "for other languages see the links on the left". It would have been better to keep them all in the same place (unified) at the bottom of the page like we say it for other languages. Oops. Oh well. If you agree maybe that can be fixed one day for all the translations. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:51, 7 February 2015 (PST)<br />
:Yeah, I definitely agree. We should look to fixing that in the future. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:59, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
::Ok. I'll add it to the tasks list. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:03, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Translation steps ==<br />
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I wonder if this section can be moved to the top or bottom [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Instructions_for_Translators#Steps_for_a_Translation] and expanded to be a good checklist of the stuff that needs to be done (taking stuff from what that page says but in shortened bullet form). This way the translators themselves can follow that checklist and make all the changes. There can be sub-bullets too like 1.1 or 1.a, 1.b.. or just bullets under an existing bullet (* and then ** will make it a sub-bullet). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:12, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
:I think the way the page is set up right now is good because it covers pretty much everything, and it does it in the right order, and even splits it up into bite-sized stages. So if translators actually read the page, they couldn't go wrong. However they'd have to actually read the thing in the first place. So yeah, maybe a "Summary" section at the top of that page (or maybe even putting it back [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#Help_and_Guidelines here]?) would encourage that. I dunno. Maybe it will discourage new translators from ever reading the indepth part? Anyways, I'll try to write something up soon when I get time and we can see what it looks like. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:44, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
::Cool. Either place would be good. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:17, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Shia hadith ==<br />
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I dono if we discussed this before. But if i want to add Shia Hadith, where is the right place? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 23:16, 14 February 2015 (PST)<br />
:Hi Saggy. No we haven't discussed this before. And I don't think anyone has ever suggested/tried adding Shi'ite hadith to any pages before. I don't know how we would approach that. One thing we can't do is add Shi'ite hadith to pages with Sunni hadith or even to pages that discuss mainstream (i.e. Sunni) Islam. Doing so would undermine the credibility of those pages (they will be dismissed out-of-hand by Muslims with something like "LOL they use Shia hadith. Shia aint Muslim XD".). Shi'ite's are a minority so criticism of their religion is not really that high on the importance factor, but if it was done, it would probably be best confined to their own dedicated pages (they could then be linked from the [[Shiites|Shi'ites]] hub page). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:13, 15 February 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Highlight in RC for unchecked edits ==<br />
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I want to remove the Yellow and bold that comes for the unchecked edits. I think its too strong/annoying. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges . What do you think? We could just have it in normal text.<br />
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The yellow/bold creates some kind of pressure as if its urgent and has to be done right now which is not the case. So yea I think I'll remove that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:05, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:Yeah, totally agree. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Ok great. I got rid of it. It just looks like normal text now. -> http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:27, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:::Awesome. Looks much better. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:29, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
There's two commas in this one (after Daniel pipes):<br />
::::I added the bold back but not the color so atleast there's some difference between review text and other stuff but not too strong. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:09, 22 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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And one comma in this one (after the name) that doesnt have a date in it:<br />
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There's probably more bugs in it that I dont know of. [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Taurat&diff=111843&oldid=111842 There] I put the name in the 'link desc', just to make it work but it should really be in the Author field. Hopefully I'll fix it some day. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:43, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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:::Oh okay. Actually, I think the fact that you can put miscellaneous text in the desc field makes this template perfectly usable. Because if an "author" name is ever needed in an external link, then by default the editor who adds that link should also be providing us with the article's publisher and publication date. When those three fields are filled, the template works as intended. It's like with our citeweb template. Just because it can be used with a single field filled, does not mean that it is allowed on WikiIslam. As stated on WikiIslam:Citing Sources, the minimum parameters that should be used are: url= | title= | author= | publisher= | date= | archiveurl= | deadurl=no/yes. I will edit the instructions on that template to let editors know. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 16:59, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
::::Yea sure it can be used if those fields are filled out. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 07:58, 15 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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== Translations completed ==<br />
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Spanish translations of [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Quien matara a una persona (Corán 5:32)|If Anyone Slew a Person (Qur'an 5:32)]] and [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Falsos crímenes de odio anti-musulmán y otras mentiras|Fake Anti-Muslim Hate Crimes and Other Lies]]* are finished and ready to be checked.<br />
<br /> *I don't know how to translate the names of the country template.<br />
[[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 09:29, 21 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Aelu. That's great. I'll check those pages as soon as I can. No need to worry about the names in the country templates. I'll do that myself (if you like, you can check the Diffs to see what I did). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 23:14, 22 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Thank you so much for your help, specially for translating the countries. [[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 07:10, 27 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:::You're welcome! [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 11:03, 27 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
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== Sunnah.com ==<br />
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What do you think about the reliability of sunnah.com? I havent looked into it. Their [http://sunnah.com/about About] page doesnt say much about who is behind the site etc. Its still a nice site though. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:59, 22 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
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:I've never had a problem with it, but some people say they soften translations don't they? They even say on the About page that the text has gone through two stages of "cleaning". They mention one stage is correcting typos, but they leave you hanging on what that second stage is. However, it's an Islamic site so anything we use from there won't be accused of being "fake". So I think it's okay as a backup or when nothing better is available. We already use it for the hadith collections that are not on USC-MSA. Our FAQ says "The English translations of Al Tirmidhi, Al Nasa'i, and Ibn Majah are all taken from Sunnah.com." Obviously I archived every single page for each of those hadith collections and our templates link to these archives (this way they cannot delete or alter hadiths). It's come in quite handy for me actually. The set of Ibn Majah hadith they copy/pasted include the hadiths grading and I [[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Responses_to_Apologetics_-_Muhammad_and_Aisha#There_is_1_hadith_that_says_Aisha_.22never_saw_the_private_parts_of_Muhammad.22|used it to debunk]] an apologetic argument against Muhammad's pedophilia and simultaneously pointed out how those who use this argument are knowingly propagating false information. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:37, 23 April 2015 (PDT)</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=Safiyah&diff=112236Safiyah2015-04-19T14:27:51Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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<div>'''Safiyah bint Huyayy''' (صفية بنت حيي, c. 610 - c. 670) (also spelled Saffiya, Safiyya, Safiya bint Huyai) was the bride of [[Kinana]] and the chief mistress of the Jewish tribes of [[Banu Qurayza|Quraiza]] and An-Nadir. Muhammad captured and married her after killing her husband.<br />
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==Her Story==<br />
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When the Muslims invaded and conquered Khaybar, the fighting men were killed and Safiyah was taken captive (along with the rest of the women and children) and allotted as booty to Dihya Al-Kalbi, a Muslim.<ref>{{Bukhari|2|14|68}}</ref> Kinana was tortured and executed by the Muslims in order to discover the hiding places of treasure,<ref>Ishaq. I (Author), Guillaume. A (Translator). (2002). [http://www.amazon.com/Life-Muhammad-I-Ishaq/dp/0196360331/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252901691&sr=8-1#reader ''The Life of Muhammad'']. (p. 515). Oxford University Press</ref><ref>Tabari vol. 8, p.123</ref><ref>Muir, Sir William. (1878). [http://books.google.com/books?id=5QMMAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false ''The Life of Mahomet, New Edition'']. (pp. 390-391) London:Smith, Elder and Co.</ref> and one source relates that he and Safiyah had been married only one day.<ref>Muir, Sir William. (1878). [http://books.google.com/books?id=5QMMAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false ''The Life of Mahomet, New Edition'']. (pp. 392) London:Smith, Elder and Co.</ref> She was so [[beauty|beautiful]], that the Muslims began praising her in the presence of [[Muhammad]]<ref>{{Muslim|8|3329}}</ref>, and so the prophet commanded that Dihya be brought before him along with Safiyah. Upon seeing her, Muhammad said, "Take any slave girl other than her from the captives"<ref>{{Bukhari|1|8|367}}</ref> and he selected her for himself.<ref>{{Bukhari|3|34|437}}</ref> The Muslims left Khaibar to return to Medina and on the way they stopped at a place called Sidd-as-Sahba; it was at this time Safiyah became clean from her menses.<ref>{{Bukhari|5|59|522}}</ref> The "marriage banquet" consisted of haris (a kind of dish) served on a small leather sheet and a gathering of those who were conveniently nearby.<ref>{{Bukhari|4|52|143}}</ref> Another narrator describes the banquet in this way: "...there was neither meat nor bread in that banquet, but the Prophet ordered Bilal to spread the leather mats on which dates, dried yogurt and butter were put."<ref>{{Bukhari|5|59|524}}</ref> Muhammad stayed three nights there and consummated his marriage with Safiyah.<ref>{{Bukhari|5|59|524}}</ref> Despite this banquet, the Muslims were still not sure whether she would be considered a wife or a right hand possession until Muhammad set off and forced her to wear a veil as she rode behind him on his camel.<ref>{{Bukhari|5|59|524}}</ref> He considered her manumission to be an adequate [[mahr]] (dowry).<ref>{{Bukhari|5|59|512}}</ref><br />
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==Analysis==<br />
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From the information provided in the Hadith, we can reasonably conclude that Safiyah did not have a choice in this marriage. She was held captive up until the marriage, and when Muhammad decided that she would be a wife rather than a slave-girl, that is when he made known that her manumission was her mahr. Based on the Hadith, it is blatantly obvious why Muhammad took Safiyah. Her social status would not have mattered in this particular situation because Muhammad did not intend on maintaining amiable ties with the Jews of Khaibar. In fact, he intended on forcing them into exile but was talked out of it by the Jews who agreed to cultivate the land and give half of its earnings to the Muslims.<ref>{{Bukhari|3|39|531}}</ref> <br />
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Except for rumors in later, non-sahih accounts, there is no evidence that Safiyah desired to become a Muslim. She was the Jewish chief mistress of two tribes who had rebelled against ''Allah and his Apostle'', so her religious piety would not have been a considering factor for Muhammad. Her wealth had been confiscated as war booty, so her wealth would not have been a considering factor either. Since Muhammad knew nothing about Safiyah until her capture and distribution as booty, and his interest was only sparked when he heard about her beauty, the ''only'' logical explanation would be that lust was Muhammad's ultimate motive in "marrying" Safiyah, proving himself to be a hypocrite based on this statement he gave his followers regarding the reasons for choosing a bride:<br />
{{Quote|{{Bukhari|7|62|27}}|Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A woman is married for four (things), i.e., her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. So you should take possession of (marry) the religious women (otherwise) you will be a loser."<ref>Khan, Dr. Muhammad Muhsin (Translator). (1994). [http://books.google.com/books?id=8VnvFaMzAAsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false ''Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari: Arabic-English'']. (p. 889). Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah: Islamic University.</ref>}}<br />
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==Additional Stories==<br />
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The following stories cannot be confirmed with the Sahih Hadith but nonetheless they do concern Safiyah:<br />
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When the Muslims conquered al-Qamus (the fort of B. Abu'1-Huqayq), Bilal (one of Muhammad's companions) brought Safiyah and another woman to Muhammad. He led them past the slain Jews, and when the woman with Safiyah saw them she shrieked and slapped her face and poured dust on her head. Muhammad said, "Take this she-devil away from me." He then commanded that Safiyah be put behind him and he threw his mantle over her, indicating that he had chosen her for himself. It had been said that the apostle asked Bilal, "Had you no compassion, Bilal, when you brought two women past their dead husbands?"<ref>Ishaq. I (Author), Guillaume. A (Translator). (2002). [http://www.amazon.com/Life-Muhammad-I-Ishaq/dp/0196360331/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252901691&sr=8-1#reader ''The Life of Muhammad'']. (p. 515). Oxford University Press</ref><br><br />
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This story doesn't pan out because the Sahih Hadith describe Safiyah being brought with Dihya, not another woman, for the sole purpose of satisfying Muhammad's curiosity about her beauty.<br><br />
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Safiyah had a mark on her face, and when Muhammad asked her about it, she told him that her husband had hit her so hard that he blacked her eye. She said she had a dream while she was married to Kinana, and in that dream the moon fell in her lap. When she described it to her husband, he said, "This simply means that you covet the king of the Hijaz, Muhammad", and then he hit her.<ref>Ishaq. I (Author), Guillaume. A (Translator). (2002). [http://www.amazon.com/Life-Muhammad-I-Ishaq/dp/0196360331/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1252901691&sr=8-1#reader ''The Life of Muhammad'']. (p. 515). Oxford University Press</ref><br><br />
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It's interesting to note the correlation between Muhammad and the moon in this story. According to another source, Safiyah had only been the bride of Kinana for one day before he was slain. Blackened eyes don't dwindle down to "marks" in one day. But even if this is a simple matter of interpretation and Safiyah had been married for much longer than a day, it is far more likely that someone made up this story about Safiyah to soften the atrociousness of her husband's brutal murder and the fact that Muhammad did not observe the 'iddah with her despite the fact that she was newly widowed. And if Safiyah really had told this story, it is far more likely that she made it up in order to gain the favor of her captor rather than actually having a prophetic dream such as this, (considering a correlation between Muhammad and the moon should never be favorable to modern-day Muslims who adamantly deny their connection with a lunar god.)<br><br />
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In another story, Safiyah was veiled after the wedding feast and Muhammad put her on his camel in order to conduct her to the bridal tent. In the morning, Muhammad heard the noise of someone rustling against the curtain of the tent. Abu Ayub was there, and he had kept watch all night with a drawn sword. When Muhammad asked his reason for being there, his friend explained that he did not trust Safiyah because Muhammad had just slain her husband the previous day. Muhammad thanked him for his vigilance and sent him away.<ref>Muir, Sir William. (1878). [http://books.google.com/books?id=5QMMAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false ''The Life of Mahomet, New Edition'']. (pp. 392-393) London:Smith, Elder and Co.</ref><br><br />
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If this story is true, and it does sound realistic, then this puts an interesting spin on the narration in the Sahih Hadith. It states that Muhammad had sex with Safiyah the day her husband was tortured and executed. However, the Hadith state that she completed her menses prior to their marriage which took place on the way to Medina. Obviously this is just postulating, but one wonders if Muhammad even observed the rule of waiting until a captive had completed a menstrual cycle. We already know that he violated the rule of 'iddah. If the source that claims Safiyah was a bride of one day before her husband Kinana was killed is correct, then it really seems unlikely that she had been menstruating at the time of the conquest of Khaibar. What woman schedules a wedding when she is menstruating, especially when the Jews considered such a woman to be 'unclean' based on the strict ceremonial regulations described in the Torah?<br />
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==Typical Islamic Apologia==<br />
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The story of Safiyah is retold by Muslims in numerous biographies and books. This article provides a few examples of the ''Islamic'' version:<br />
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{{Quote|1=Ahmed, Dr. (Mufti) M. Mukarram. (2005) [http://books.google.com/books?id=bHLO1brCbm0C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q=&f=false Encyclopaedia of Islam]. (pp 163-164). New Delhi: J.L. Anmol Publications Pvt. Ltd.|2=''Marriage with the Holy Prophet'': After the Muslims victory in the battle of Khyber all the prisoners of war were assembled. A companion of the Holy Prophet, Hadrat Dehia Kalbi, requested him for a maid. The Holy Prophet allowed him to select one. Accordingly, he picked up Hadrat Safiyah. But another companion brought to the notice of the Holy Prophet that Dehia had chosen the leading lady of the Bany Nuzair and Quraiza tribes, who should have gone to the lot of the Holy Prophet. He meant that the leading woman of an Arab tribe should not be treated as an ordinary woman. The Holy Prophet therefore, allotted another woman prisoner to Hadrat Dehia as his maid. He freed Hadrat Safiyah and married her. (Bukhari)<br><br><br />
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:According to another story when Hadrat Safiyah had been assigned to Hadrat Dehia, the Holy Prophet went round the camp inspecting the prisoners. Hadrat Safiyah represented her case to the Holy Prophet stating that she being the daughter of the chief of her tribe, deserved better treatment than accorded to her. The Holy Prophet who was moved by the implorings of Hadrat Safiya, secured her freedom from Hadrat Dehia on consideration of seven heads of cattle. Thereafter was invited to accept the true faith of Islam. Hadrat Safiyah was already inclined towards Islam and hence she readily accepted the same. The Holy Prophet then married her. (Usudul Ghaba)<br><br><br />
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On his way to Medina the Holy Prophet halted at a place called Sahba where he held the Walima feast. While starting from Sahba, the holy Prophet got Hadrat Safiyah mounted on his own camel and covered her with his robe indicating that she had now become his wife. In happiness Hadrat Safiya forgot the tragedy that had befallen her family, thinking that now she was the most fortunate lady after marriage with the Holy Prophet of Islam.}}<br />
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The intellectual dishonesty required to write that is simply appalling. (And the author calls it an "encyclopedia")<br />
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The following quotes are from [http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2005/umm-ul-mukminin-safiyyah-the-jewish-wife-of-muhammad/ "Umm ul-Mukminin Safiyyah: The Jewish Wife of Muhammad"] by Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi, September 20, 2005:<br />
{{Quote|2=There has been some criticism going around as to the nature of marriage of Safiyyah(R), the Jewish wife of Muhammad(P). A rabid missionary hostile to the Prophet Muhammad(P) had in fact the audacity to say that:<br><br />
''Muhammad forced himself on a captured woman on the same day that he killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. He was a rapist.''<br><br />
This statement made by this ignorant missionary is due not only to the gutter environment that he was brought up and subjected to, but also because of his inability to understand the circumstances surrounding this event. Insha’allah, our purpose here is to explain the circumstances and the nature of the marriage of Safiyyah to the Prophet(P).}}<br />
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Well, that little rant was especially educational.<br />
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{{Quote|2='''The Marriage of the Prophet(P) to Safiyyah(R)'''<br><br />
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Safiyyah was the daughter of Huyayy ibn Akhtab, the undisputed leader of the Banu al-Nadir as well as a Jewish rabbi. Hence, she was of noble regal and rabbinical heritage. She became a captive of the Muslims when they seized al-Qamus, the fortress of Khaybar. When a Companion of the Prophet(P) heard of Safiyyah’s captivity, he approached the Prophet(P) with a suggestion that since she was a lady of Banu al-Nadir, only the Prophet(P) was fit enough to marry her. The Prophet(P) agreed to this suggestion and hence granted her freedom and married her.}}<br />
Notice how the author makes no mention of the fact that Muhammad did not take her for himself until he saw how beautiful she really was.<br />
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{{Quote|2=This significant act of marrying Safiyyah(R) was indeed a great honour for her, for this not only preserved her dignity, it also prevented her from becoming a slave. Haykal notes that:<br />
:The Prophet granted her freedom and then married her, following the examples of great conquerors who married the daughters and wives of the kings whom they had conquered, partly in order to alleviate their tragedy and partly to preserve their dignity.<sup>1</sup>}}<br />
If for any reason other than lust, conquerors married the daughters and wives of the kings whom they had conquered to give themselves legitimacy as the new rulers. The feelings and dignity of the girls and women were the least of a conqueror's concern. In medieval England, for example, the Norman conquerors occasionally used intermarriage to claim land.<br />
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{{Quote|2=The marriage to Safiyyah(R) has a political significance as well, as it helps to reduce hostilities and cement alliances. John L. Esposito notes that<br />
:As was customary for Arab chiefs, many were political marriages to cement alliances. Others were marriages to the widows of his companions who had fallen in combat and were in need of protection.<sup>2</sup>}}<br />
However, it has already been shown in the Hadith that reducing hostilities and cementing alliances were not a priority for Muhammad who intended on forcing the Jews into exile anyway.<br />
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{{Quote|2=Indeed, when Bilal ibn Rabah(R), a Companion of the Prophet, brought Safiyyah along with another Jewess before him(P) by passing through the Jews that were slain in the battle, Muhammad(P) personally chided Bilal and said “Have you no compassion, Bilal, when you brought two women past their dead husbands?”<sup>3</sup>}}<br />
Of course, the author fails to reveal how exactly Safiyah's husband died. Kinana was not slain in battle. He was brutally tortured and executed at the hands of the Muslims for the whereabouts of hidden treasure. True compassion would not have involved torture and execution of a captive.<br />
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{{Quote|2=As for the accusation that Safiyyah was coerced into marriage or taken advantage of, as alleged by a known Islamophobic, this claim has no basis at all. It is known that Safiyyah(R) remained loyal to the Prophet until he passed away.<sup>4</sup> We have in fact the Prophet(P) making the following offer to her, as recorded by Martin Lings:<br />
:He '''[the Prophet Muhammad - Ed.]''' then told Safiyyah that he was prepared to set her free, and he offered her the choice between remaining a Jewess and returning to her people or entering Islam and becoming his wife. “I choose God and His Messenger,” she said; and they were married at the first halt on the homeward march.<sup>5</sup>}}<br />
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Where did the 20<sup>th</sup> century Martin Lings get this information from? Anyone can record anything, so, what's his source? It's notable that the author does not cite this and expects the reader to take the word of a Muslim apologist. However, we have Sahih Hadith that prove Safiyah was chosen for her beauty and kept captive up until her "wedding" nights with Muhammad. And this "loyalty" the author speaks of, Why couldn't Stockholm Syndrome apply in this situation?<br />
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{{Quote|2=The other wives of the Prophet(P) used to show their jealousy of her by making slights upon her Jewish origin. But the Prophet(P) always defended her. Once Safiyyah was vexed to the extreme by the taunts of all the Arab wives of the Prophet(P). She took the complaint to the Prophet(P), who felt great compassion for her. He consoled and encouraged her. He equipped her with logic by saying: “Safiyyah, take courage and be bold. They are in no way superior to you. Tell them: I am a daughter of the Prophet Harun, a niece of the Prophet Musa, and a wife of the Prophet Muhammad”. This is thus an excellent example of the Prophet Muhammad(P) trying to wipe out pre-Islamic anti-Semitism amongst the Arabs.}}<br />
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"...trying to wipe out pre-Islamic anti-Semitism amongst the Arabs" is a bit far-fetched considering Muhammad and his followers were responsible for killing or removing all the Jews from the entire Arabian peninsula. It's far more realistic that Muhammad was trying to keep peace in a house with far too many women--all wives of the same man. (And aren't the wives of Muhammad supposed to be the Mothers of the Believers? Great examples they set for us.)<br />
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{{Quote|2='''Conclusion'''<br><br />
With the evidences laid bare before us, we do not see the justification of accusing the Prophet(P) of being a “rapist”, as those anti-Islamic critics allege. That the Prophet(P) himself married Safiyyah(R) so as to avoid the certainty of her being a slave of the Muslims and helped her to defend herself from the taunts of her co-wives is enough proof that the Prophet(P) was a man of exemplary conduct and remained honourable even to relatives of his most bitter foes.}}<br />
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This is laughable considering the "certainty of her being a slave of the Muslims" was because the Muslims were responsible for invading Khaybar (with no real justification) and killing her husband and male family members, never-mind that Muhammad sanctioned the enslavement of non-combatants.<br />
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{{Quote|2=Sources:<br><br />
1. Muhammad Husayn Haykal, The Life of Muhammad (North American Trust Publications, 1976), p. 373<br><br />
2. John L. Esposito, Islam: The Straight Path, pp. 19-20<br><br />
3. A. Guillaume (trans.), The Life of Muhammad: A translation of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah (Oxford University Press, 1978), p. 515<br> <br />
4. An account of how Safiyyah’s loyalty was affirmed by the Prophet(P) himself is recorded in Muhammad Husayn Haykal, op. cit., p. 374, of which an online document can be found.<br> <br />
5. Martin Lings, Muhammad: His Life Based On The Earliest Sources (George Allen & Unwin, 1983), p. 269}}<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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* [[Muhammad's Wives]]'' - A hub page that leads to other articles related to Muhammad's wives and concubines''<br />
* [[Forced Marriage]]<br />
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==External Links==<br />
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*[{{Reference archive|1=http://alisina.org/muhammad-raped-safiyah/|2=2011-11-04}} Did Muhammad rape Safiyah?] ''- [[Ali Sina]]'' <br />
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==References==<br />
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<div>This article discusses the meaning of the [[Islam|Islamic]] [[Islamic Terms|phrase]], "'''Allahu Akbar'''", and its [[Mistranslated Verses|translation]] into English. <br />
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==Introduction==<br />
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Although the phrase "Allahu Akbar" (الله أكبر) is a common phrase used by all Muslims in various situations, including the [[Salah]] (obligatory five [[prayers]] a day) and has even been used in the past by some [[non-Muslims]] as a show of support for the protesting [[Iran|Iranians]], it is widely associated with the Muslims who shout it whilst engaged in [[Terrorism|Jihad]]. Many people claim it is simply the [[Arabic]] translation of a common English phrase meaning "God is great!" This article analyzes this apologetic claim by examining the use of the phrase in [[Islam and Scripture|scripture]], and the use of these words in their original Arabic.<br />
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==Analysis==<br />
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===Allah===<br />
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'''Claim:''' 'Allah' is simply the Arab word for 'God.'<br />
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'''Fact:''' 'God' in Arabic is translated 'ilah,' not 'Allah.'<br />
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'''Allah''' = <font size="6"><font color="red">الله</font> </font><font size="4">(</font>alif <font size="4">ا</font>, lam <font size="4">ل</font>, lam <font size="4">ل</font>, ha <font size="4">ه)</font><br />
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'''ilah''' =<font size="6"><font color="blue"> اله</font> </font><font size="4">(</font>alif <font size="4">ا</font>, lam <font size="4">ل</font>, ha <font size="4">ه)</font><br />
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====Evidence====<br />
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The [[Shahadah]] is one of the [[Five Pillars of Islam|five pillars of Islam]], and is recited by all Muslims:<br />
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'''Arabic:''' <font size="4">أشهد أن لا <font color="blue">إله</font> إلاَّ <font color="red">الله</font> و أشهد أن محمد رسول <font color="red">الله</font></font><br />
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'''Transliteration:''' ašhadu ʾanla <font color="blue">ilāh</font>a ill<font color="red">al-Lāh</font>, wa ʾašhadu ʾanna muḥammadan rasūl<font color="red">ul-Lāh</font><br />
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'''Literal:''' There is no <font color="blue">god</font> but <font color="red">Allah</font> and Muhammad is the messenger of <font color="red">Allah</font>.}}<br />
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As you can see, even though many English speaking Muslims claim it states "there is no god but God", this is not the case. Muslims view the name Allah as a proper noun, as opposed to a common noun descriptive applicable to any deity. Allah is not the generic word for 'god' in Arabic, but the ''name'' of Islam's deity.<br />
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{{Quote|[http://bewley.virtualave.net/Riscreeds.html The Risala of 'Abdullah ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani]<BR>A Treatise on Maliki Fiqh (Including commentary from ath-Thamr ad-Dani by al-Azhari)(310/922 - 386/996)|['''1.1a'''] The belief that Allah is One is the fundamental basis of Islam, and when Divine Unity is expressed, '''the name "Allah" must be used. It is not permissible to say, "There is no god but the Almighty"''' or use any other names except Allah for the shahada. Nothing at all resembles Him or is equal to Him.}}<br />
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====Why some Apologists insist 'Allah' means 'God'====<br />
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For some, it is a [[Lying|lie]] told to facilitate proselytisation (Da'wah). For others, it is purely out of ignorance. Language is always evolving, so the actual definition of a word and its popular usage can, and very often does, differ. For example, 'gay' still means 'happy' but through its use in western pop-culture, it can also mean '[[Islam and Homosexuality|homosexual]]'. This is also the case for the word "[[Allah]]" in predominantly Muslim cultures and societies. It is used interchangeably with 'God', as most people are Muslims; to them Allah is God, thus to make a distinction would be redundant. <br />
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Some are willing to take advantage of people's ignorance of the Arabic language when it suits their purpose. For example: the [[Fake Conversions|false conversion]] story of pop legend [[Michael Jackson (Conversion to Islam)|Michael Jackson]]. A video entitled 'Inshallah' (Allah willing) has been doing the rounds on user-contributed media sites like YouTube. It contains edited footage of Michael Jackson using the phrase 'Inshallah,' and its editor proudly proclaimed on its page "only Muslims say Inshallah." a view which was echoed by many of the Muslim commentators who viewed it. However, it was simply a case of selective editing. The Muslim who made the video had cut off the first part of Michael's statement. It was a 12 year-old promo for his Tunisian fans on the eve of his ''HIS''tory world tour. Since Arabic is [[Tunisia]]'s official language and since Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians living in Tunisia also use the phrase 'Inshallah', it was not proof that he had converted to Islam.<br />
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In another case in [[Malaysia]], the government banned Christians from using the word 'Allah' in reference to the Christian God,<ref>"[http://archive.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=news&lang=en&length=long&idelement=5183&backpage=archives&critere=&countryname=Malaysia&rowcur=0 Malaysia: Government Maintains Only Muslims Can Use ‘Allah’ Term]" - Compass Direct News, January 08, 2008</ref> and in one incident, reported by CNN in October of 2009, twenty-thousand Bibles were seized by authorities because they referred to the Christian God as 'Allah,'<ref>Saeed Ahmed - "[http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/10/29/malaysia.bibles.seized/ Bibles seized as Malaysia minorities fear fundamentalism]" - CNN, October 29, 2009</ref> completely disregarding the fact that due to the evolution of the Malay language, which has borrowed extensively from Arabic, Sanskrit and Portuguese, there is no indigenous Malay word for 'God' other than the pagan 'Allah'. It was reported that in 2010 a court ruling overturned the ban, a decision which the government has appealed against, insisting that it should remain in place.<ref name="Churches Attacked in Malaysian ‘Allah’ Dispute"></ref> This decision to allow Christians to use the word 'Allah' has led to violent protests and bombings of several Malaysian churches.<ref name="Churches Attacked in Malaysian ‘Allah’ Dispute"></ref> One of the protesters summed up the thoughts of many Malaysian Muslims, stating, “Allah is only for us, The Christians can use any word, we don’t care, but please don’t use the word Allah.”<ref name="Churches Attacked in Malaysian ‘Allah’ Dispute">{{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/09/world/asia/09malaysia.html|title=Churches Attacked in Malaysian ‘Allah’ Dispute|publisher=The New York Times|last=Mydans|first=Seth|date=January 9, 2010}}</ref><br />
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So, according to Muslims, is 'Allah' the word for 'God' or the name of their particular deity distinct from the God of Christianity and Judaism? No doubt you will receive very different answers depending on the situation. However, the original Arabic script found within the Qur'an tells you all that you need to know.<br />
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===Akbar===<br />
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'''Claim:''' 'Akbar' means 'great.'<br />
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'''Fact:''' 'Akbar' in English is translated 'greater,' not 'great.'<br />
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'''Great''' = <font size="6"><font color="red">كبير</font></font><font size="4"> (</font>Kebir<font size="4">)</font> <br />
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'''Greater''' = <font size="6"><font color="blue">أكبر</font></font><font size="4"> (</font>Akbar<font size="4">)</font><br />
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====Evidence====<br />
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Kebir and akbar are not interchangeable words. For evidence, we only need look to the Qur'an. Both kebir (great) and akbar (greater) are used in the following verse:<br />
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'''Original Arabic script:''' <br />
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يسالونك عن الخمر والميسر قل فيها اثمتتفكرون <font color="red">كبير</font> ومنافع للناس واثمهما <br />
<font color="blue">اكبر</font> من نفعهما ويسالونك ماذا ينفقون قل العفو كذلك يبين الله لكم الايات لعلكم<br />
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'''Transliteration:'''<br />
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Yas-aloonaka AAani alkhamri waalmaysiriqul feehima ithmun <font color="red">kabeer</font>un wamanafiAAu lilnnasiwa-ithmuhuma <font color="blue">akbar</font>u min nafAAihima wayas-aloonaka mathayunfiqoona quli alAAafwa kathalika yubayyinu Allahulakumu al-ayati laAAallakum tatafakkaroona <br />
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'''Yusuf Ali:'''<br />
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They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is <font color="red">great</font> sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is <font color="blue">greater</font> than the profit." They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: "What is beyond your needs." Thus doth Allah Make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider- <ref>[http://www.irreduciblefifth.force9.co.uk/burhan/b.x.373.htm Quran root browser - ك ب ر - k-b-r]</ref>}}<br />
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===Allahu Akbar===<br />
====Lane's Lexicon and Other Sources====<br />
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Lane's Lexicon, the most revered and scholarly dictionary of the Arabic language, confirms the majority view is that "Allahu Akbar" refers to Allah being "greater". Unlike in its early years, so does [[Wikipedia]], stating the phrase literally means "God is greater". But is usually translated "God is [the] Greatest," or "God is Great".<ref>{{cite web |url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir|title= Takbir|publisher= Wikipedia|author= |date= accessed August 4, 2013|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTakbir&date=2013-08-04|deadurl=no}}</ref> Similarly, Pierre Tristam, the [[Lebanon|Lebanese]]-[[United States|American]] About.com Guide states, although most often translated as "god is great," Allahu Akbar is Arabic for "god is greater," or "god is greatest."<ref>{{cite web|url= http://middleeast.about.com/od/a/g/allahu-akbar-definition.htm|title= Allahu Akbar|publisher= Middle East Issues (About.com)|author= Pierre Tristam|date= accessed August 4, 2013|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmiddleeast.about.com%2Fod%2Fa%2Fg%2Fallahu-akbar-definition.htm&date=2013-08-04|deadurl=no}}</ref> Many news sources and other web resources are now also beginning to use the more correct translation.<br />
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====Used in Context by Muhammad====<br />
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"Allahu Akbar" has been used historically by Muslims as a battle cry during war.<ref name="Ludwig W. Adamec">Ludwig W. Adamec, "Historical Dictionary of Islam", Scarecrow Press, 2<sup>nd</sup> ed. 2009, p. 32</ref> This precedent was set by Prophet [[Muhammad]] when he attacked the Jews of Khaibar. <br />
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In the following [[sahih]] [[hadith]], you can see the phrase has been translated correctly into English by Muslims.<br />
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{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|52|195}}|Narrated Anas:<br />
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The Prophet set out for Khaibar and reached it at night. He used not to attack if he reached the people at night, till the day broke. So, when the day dawned, the Jews came out with their bags and spades. When they saw the Prophet; they said, "Muhammad and his army!" '''The Prophet said, Allahu--Akbar! (Allah is Greater)''' and Khaibar is ruined, for whenever we approach a nation (i.e. enemy to fight) then it will be a miserable morning for those who have been warned."}}<br />
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One must also note that if the word "Allah" meant "God", why then would he be telling the Jews of Khaibar (who supposedly worship the same god) that Islam's Allah is greater?<br />
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Here are a few more quotes which use the phrase "Allahu Akbar".<br />
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{{Quote|1={{Muwatta|15|15|7|22}}|2=Yahya related to me from Malik from Abu Ubayd, the mawla of Sulayman ibn Abd al-Malik, from Ata ibn Yazid al-Laythi that Abu Hurayra said, "Whoever says 'Glory be to Allah' (Subhana'llah) thirty-three times and ''''Allah is Greater' (Allahu akbar)''' thirty-three times and 'Praise be to Allah' (al-hamdu lillah) thirty-three times, and seals the hundred with 'There is no god but Allah, alone without any partner. The Kingdom and praise belong to Him and He has power over everything' (La ilaha illa'llah, wahdahu la sharika lah, lahu'l mulku wa lahu'l hamd, wa huwa ala kulli shay'in qadir) after every prayer will have his wrong actions forgiven him even if they are abundant as the foam on the sea."}}<br />
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{{Quote|1={{Muwatta|49|49|10|34}}|2=Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa that his father never brought food or drink, nor even a remedy which he ate or drank but that he said, "Praise be to Allah who has guided us and fed us and given us to drink and blessed us. '''Allah is greater'''. O Allah! We have found Your blessing with every evil, give us every good in the morning and evening. We ask You for its completion and its gratitude. There is no good except Your good. There is no god other than You, the God of the salihun and the Lord of the Worlds. Praise be to Allah. There is no god but Allah. What Allah wills. There is no power except in Allah. O Allah! Bless us in what You have provided us with and protect us from the punishment of the Fire!" <br />
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Al-hamdu lillahi-lladhi hadana wa at amana wa saqana wa naamana. '''Allahu akbar'''. Allahumma'l fatna nimatik bi-kulli sharr. Fa asbahna minha wa amsayna bi-kulli khayr. Nasaluka tamamaha wa shukraha. La khayr illa khayruk. Wa la ilaha ghayruk. Ilaha'-saliheen wa rabba'l-alameen. Al-hamdu lillah. Wa la ilaha illa'llah. Ma sha'Allah. Wa la quwwata illa billah. Allahumma barik lana fima razaqtana. Waqina adhaba'n-na}}<br />
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==Conclusion==<br />
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Many Muslims and their apologists claim "Allahu Akbar" is simply the Arabic translation of a common English phrase meaning "God is great!" However, this is untrue. "Allahu Akbar" does not mean "God is great" as claimed. It actually means "Allah is greater." <br />
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'Allah' is not simply the Arabic word for 'God,' but the name of Islam's chosen deity and 'Akbar' does not mean 'great', but 'greater'. Greater than what? The answer is, ''Allah is greater than whatever god you happen to believe in''. <br />
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==See Also==<br />
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{{Hub4|Allah|Allah}}<br />
{{Hub4|Islamic Terms|Islamic Terms}}<br />
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==External Links==<br />
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*[http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=10908&p=166554#p166554 <!-- http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum09.faithfreedom.org%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D22%26t%3D10908%26p%3D166554%23p166554&date=2011-12-06 -->Allahu Akbar] ''- Muslim Arabic speaker, commenting on this page, confirms "Allahu Akbar" means "Allah is greater" (not "God is great)"''<br />
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[[ru:Аллаху_Акбар]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=Islam_and_Homosexuality&diff=112214Islam and Homosexuality2015-04-09T18:14:33Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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<div><metadesc>According to the Qur'an and the hadith, homosexuality is not only a sin, but a crime under Islamic law.</metadesc><br />
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The [[Islam|Islamic]] views on homosexuality are formed from the writings of the [[Qur'an]] and Prophet [[Muhammad]]'s [[Sunnah]]. It is not only a sin, but a crime under [[Islamic Law|Islamic law]].<br />
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==Introduction==<br />
===Islam's Views===<br />
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Islamic [[Shariah|Shari'ah]] law is extracted from both the Qur'an and Muhammad's Sunnah (found in the [[Hadith]] and [[Sira]]). Islamic [[Fiqh|jurisprudence]] are expansion of the laws contained within them by Islamic [[Madh'hab|jurists]]. Therefore, they are seen as the laws of [[Allah]]. You need only look to the rulings under Shari'ah to see the accepted mainstream interpretation of [[Islam]] and its commandments to its followers. Homosexuality under this law, is not only a sin, but a punishable crime against [[God]]. <br />
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In the case of homosexuality, how it is dealt with differs between the four mainline schools of [[Sunni]] jurisprudence today, but what they all agree upon is that homosexuality is worthy of a severe penalty. <br />
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In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is first punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, the death penalty is to be applied. <br />
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As for the Shafi`i school of thought, the homosexual receives the same punishment as adultery (if he/she is married) or fornication (if not married). This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times. Hence, the Shafi`i compares the punishment applied in the case of homosexuality with that of adultery and fornication.<br />
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The Hanafi differentiates between the two acts because in homosexuality, anal sex [something that is prohibited, regardless of orientation] may also be involved, while in adultery [and fornication], the penis/vagina (which are reproductive parts) are involved. <br />
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Some scholars, based on the Qur'an and various ahadith, hold the opinion that the homosexual should be thrown from a high building or stoned to death<ref>"''So when Our punishment came upon the people of Lut, We turned the city upside down and showered them with stones of baked clay, one after another.''" - {{Quran|11|82}}</ref> as a punishment for their crime, but other scholars maintain that they should be imprisoned until death. <ref>[http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545556 Fatwa Bank: Death Fall as Punishment for Homosexuality] - Islam Online, July 22, 2002</ref> <br />
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Another view is that between two males, the active partner is to be lashed a hundred times if he is unmarried, and killed if he is married; whereas the passive partner is to be killed regardless of his marital status.<ref>See the chapter on "hudud" in Sharaya and Sharh Lum'a also al-Khu'i, Takmilah, p. 42-44.</ref> <br />
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===Muslims and Their Views===<br />
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Many apologists have attempted to shift the blame for this Muslim hostility towards homosexuality onto "the adoption of European Victorian attitudes by the new Westernized elite."<ref>El-Rouayheb, 2005, p. 156</ref> <br />
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However, this explanation falls short. Within the context of Islamic thought, this attitude originated from the Prophet [[Muhammad]], and since he is considered by all mainstream Muslims to be the [[Uswa Hasana]] (the perfect example) we find that the majority of Muslims still consider this harsh treatment of homosexuals to be justified. <br />
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Muhammad himself had stated, ''“If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.”''<ref>"''Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.''" - {{Abudawud|38|4447}}</ref> He even went so far as to condemn the “appearance” of homosexuality, when he cursed effeminate men and masculine women and ordered his followers to ''"Turn them out of your houses."''<ref>"''Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, "Turn them out of your houses ." The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman.''" - {{Bukhari|7|72|774}}</ref> This ruling on homosexuals was naturally adopted by his later successors. <br />
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The father of [[Aisha]] and Muhammad’s first successor, Abu Bakr, had a homosexual burned at the stake. The fourth Rightly-Guided [[Caliph]], Muhammad’s son-in-law Ali, ordered homosexuals to be stoned, and even had one thrown from the minaret of a mosque.<ref>Serge Trifkovic - [http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=20145 Islam's Love-Hate Relationship with Homosexuality] - FrontPageMag, January 24, 2003</ref> These actions quite obviously pre-date any sort of Western influence on Islamic thought. <br />
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According to Shaykh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid: "''The spread of homosexuality has caused man diseases which neither the east nor the west can deny exist because of them. Even if the only result of this perversion was AIDS – which attacks the immune system in humans – that would be enough.''"<ref>Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid - [http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/10050 Why does Islam forbid lesbianism and homosexuality?] - Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 10050</ref> <br />
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Even by moderate Muslims (who are found primarily among the tiny 3% of the world's Muslims living in "more-developed regions"),<ref>''"As of 2010, about three-quarters of the world’s Muslims (74.1%) live in the 49 countries in which Muslims make up a majority of the population. More than a fifth of all Muslims (23.3%) live in non-Muslim-majority countries in the developing world. About 3% of the world’s Muslims live in more-developed regions, such as Europe, North America, Australia, New Zealand and Japan."'' - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.pewforum.org/The-Future-of-the-Global-Muslim-Population.aspx|2=2012-12-02}} The Future of the Global Muslim Population], The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, January 27, 2011</ref> homosexuality is seen as something that is vile and unacceptable. For example, a Gallup survey carried out in early 2009 found that British Muslims have zero tolerance for Homosexuality. Not even a single British Muslim interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable.<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality|2=2011-11-30}} Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll] - The Guardian, May 7, 2009</ref><ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.euro-islam.info/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/gallup_coexist_2009_interfaith_relations_uk_france_germany.pdf|2=2011-11-30}} The Gallup Coexist Index 2009: A Global Study of Interfaith Relations] - Section 2: Public Perceptions Toward Integration, p. 31</ref> Also according to a Zogby International poll of American Muslims taken in November and December of 2001, a massive 71 percent opposed "allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally."<ref>[http://www.asylumlaw.org/docs/sexualminorities/Islamic%20World100202.pdf Islamohomophobia] - WoldNetDaily, October 2, 2002</ref> Another worrying statistic to be found among Muslims in the UK, is that although they comprise just 2% of the total British population, they commit 25% of all anti-Homosexual crimes.<ref>"Gay police group's "anti-Christian" ad rapped", Reuters, October 18, 2006 ([http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061018/od_nm/britain_ad_dc/ Original URL]|[{{Reference archive|1=http%3A%2F%2Flittlegreenfootballs.com%2Fweblog%2F%3Fentry%3D23002_UK_Muslims-_2%2525_of_Population_25%2525_of_Anti-Gay_Crimes%26only|2=2012-11-27}} Charles Johnson's commentary]|[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.orange-order.co.uk/topic/3791-gay-police-groups-anti-christian-ad-rapped/|2=2012-11-27}} Full text])</ref><br />
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So, with the rise of Islam in the UK and the rest of the world, we also see the inadvertent return to the morality of seventh-century Arabia, with Muslim gangs on the streets of England carrying out violent attacks on gays<ref>[http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/content/towerhamlets/advertiser/news/story.aspx?brand=ELAOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsela&itemid=WeED03%20Sep%202008%2020%3A44%3A41%3A983 Gay fears rise after street gang’s murderous attack] - EastLondonAdvertiser, September 4, 2008</ref> and mosques labeled as “moderate” calling for the murder of homosexuals at the hands of their congregation.<ref>[http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/3584 So -Called Moderate UK Mosque Preaches Hate, Urges Faithful To "Kill Gays"] - PipelineNews, September 2, 2008</ref> <br />
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If we look to secular [[Indonesia]], we see that due to pressure from the growing conservative Islamic communities, some local authorities have now been given the right to use Islamic laws, which have successfully criminalized homosexuality.<ref>[http://www.globalgayz.com/country/Indonesia/view/IDN/gay-indonesia-news-and-reports-2#article9 Muslim Communities Thwart Indonesian Protections For Gays] - 365Gay.com, October 4, 2006</ref> Also in Hindu-majority [[India]], attempts to move forward and decriminalize homosexuality are being hindered by Islamic clerics claiming "Homosexuality is an offence under Sharia Law and haram (prohibited) in Islam," and that "Legalisation of homosexuality is an attack on Indian religious and moral values," a statement not to be taken lightly, when coming from religious leaders of Islam.<ref>[http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Muslim-leaders-join-Deoband-slam-gay-sex/articleshow/4723843.cms After Deoband, other Muslim leaders condemn homosexuality] - Times of India, July 1, 2009</ref><br />
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===Treatment of Homosexuals===<br />
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The following are excerpts on homosexuality, taken from the Saudi Ministry of Education Textbooks for Islamic Studies:<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/Excerpts_from_Saudi_Textbooks_715.pdf Saudi Ministry of Education Textbooks for Islamic Studies: 2007-2008 Academic Year]<BR>Center for Religious Freedom of Hudson Institute|2="Homosexuality is one of the most disgusting sins and greatest crimes.... It is a vile perversion that goes against sound nature, and is one of the most corrupting and hideous sins.... The punishment for homosexuality is death. Both the active and passive participants are to be killed whether or not they have previously had sexual intercourse in the context of a legal marriage.... Some of the companions of the Prophet stated that [the perpetrator] is to be burned with fire. It has also been said that he should be stoned, or thrown from a high place."}}<br />
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Whilst LGBTT-rights activists are making great progress in non-Muslim societies, gay communities in the Muslim world are left fighting for even the most basic of human rights, and in many cases, their very lives. <br />
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Exact figures are hard to determine, due to the political turmoil in many of the Islamic states, but as of 2009 homosexual relationships, acts or behavior are forbidden in approximately thirty-six Islamic countries including Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Brunei, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Indonesia, Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Morocco, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan and Yemen, with punishments including anything from a fine up to life imprisonment.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_issues_and_Islam#Homosexuality_laws_in_Muslim_countries Homosexuality laws in Muslim countries] - Wikipedia, accessed July 29, 2009</ref><ref name="IL">H. Tavakoli - [http://www.iranian.com/Letters/1999/September/gay.html The New Dark Ages] - The Iranian,September 20, 1999</ref> Ten of those countries out of the thirty-six impose the death penalty for homosexuals. They are Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi-Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, Yemen and some states in Malaysia.<ref>Sean Yoong - [http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/malaysia/mynews033.htm Malaysian State Legislature Passes Bill on Strict Islamic Criminal Code] - Associated Press, July 8, 2002</ref> <br />
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According to the Iranian gay and lesbian rights group Homan, the Iranian government alone has put to death an estimated 4,000 homosexuals since the Islamic revolution of 1979.<ref name="IL"/> Laws allowing gay rights, seldom mean a thing in Muslim majority nations where the laws of Islam trump the laws of the land every time. Take for instance, Iraq, which does not officially have any laws discriminating against same-sex relationships, currently there are death squads operating in the country killing gays and lesbians (or effeminate men and masculine women suspected of homosexuality) on sight, and a shocking sixty-eight gay and trans-gendered men have been killed within the space of four months, often by having their anuses glued shut, followed by induced diarrhea.<ref>Ben Lando - [http://www.iraqoilreport.com/security-conflict/iraqi-gay-community-a-target-1950/ Iraqi gay community a target] - Iraq Oil Report, July 9, 2009</ref><ref>[http://iglhrc.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/iraq-torture-cruel-inhuman-and-degrading-treatment-of-lgbt-people/ Iraq: Torture, Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment of LGBT People] - International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, April 20, 2009</ref> <br />
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Also in the secular nation of [[Turkey]], a country which is often held-up as a poster-child for moderate Islam, persecution and violence against homosexuals [along with [[Persecution of Non-Muslims|non-Muslim minorities]]] is on the rise, with eleven gays being killed within the first half of 2009 .<ref>[http://www.ilmediterraneo.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1657&lang=en&Itemid=7 Homosexuals in Turkey: Istanbul week for gay rights] - ANSAmed, June 24, 2009</ref> This behavior is consistent with the results of a survey<ref>[http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=8216religion-loves-tolerance-but-is-not-tolerant8217-2009-11-17 'Religion loves tolerance, but is not tolerant'] - Hürriyet Daily News, November 17, 2009</ref> released in November of 2009 which found that a massive 67 percent of Turks "would continue acting in accordance with their religious beliefs if the Parliament passed a law that contradicted religious laws." and only Twenty-six percent "would obey the country’s law in this case".<br />
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==Articles==<br />
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===Islamic Writing and Homosexuality===<br />
{{Main|Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Homosexuality}}<br />
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The Qur'an, Hadith collections and scholars have much to say in regards to Homosexuality.<br />
{{ quote | 1=[http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=10619 The Adulteress is Confined in her House; A Command Later Abrogated]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|2=[وَاللَّذَانَ يَأْتِيَـنِهَا مِنكُمْ فَـَاذُوهُمَا]<br />
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(And the two persons among you who commit illegal sexual intercourse, punish them both.) Ibn `Abbas and Sa`id bin Jubayr said that this punishment includes cursing, shaming them and beating them with sandals. This was the ruling until '''Allah abrogated it with flogging or stoning,''' as we stated. Mujahid said, "It was revealed about the case of two men who do it.'' As if he was referring to the actions of the people of Lut, and Allah knows best. The collectors of Sunan recorded that Ibn `Abbas said that the Messenger of Allah said,<br />
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«مَنْ رَأَيْتُمُوهُ يَعْمَلُ عَمَلَ قَوْمِ لُوطٍ، فَاقْتُلُوا الْفَاعِلَ وَالْمَفْعُولَ بِه»<br />
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('''Whoever you catch committing the act of the people of Lut (homosexuality), then kill both parties to the act.''')}}<br />
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===Islam and Homosexuals in the News===<br />
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The ongoing persecution of homosexuals by Muslims around the world, rarely makes the mainstream news. The fear of offending Islamic sensibilities and enraging the Muslim populous has effectively silenced the free world in many areas. Thanks to the Internet, those of us who search can find many news items that would otherwise be lost. Here, we provide you with links listed by country, to news articles related to Islamic persecution of homosexuals and other related items.<br />
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===Statistic Concerning Homosexuality===<br />
{{Main|Muslim Statistics - Homosexuals|l1=Muslim Statistics (Homosexuals)}}<br />
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This page consists of various fully referenced statistics. A small sample:<br />
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#As of 1999 in Iran, more than 4,000 lesbians and gays had been executed since the 1979 Islamic revolution.<br />
#Two thirds of all reported incidents of anti-gay violence in Amsterdam are by Muslim youths.<br />
#As of 2009, homosexual relationships, acts or behavior are illegal in 36 Islamic countries. 10 impose the death penalty. <br />
#A 2009 Gallup survey could not find a single British Muslim who approved of homosexuality. <br />
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===The People of Lot===<br />
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The story of ''Lot'' (لوط, Lūṭ) from the Hebrew Bible, is also to be found in the Qur'an, albeit retold with a few differences. Amongst other things, the Qur'anic rendition links the destruction of Sodom specifically to the homosexual activities of its inhabitants. This is one of the many stories from the Qur'an which openly denies science and history, and by doing so, it proves the author of those verses was ignorant of reality and thus proves the verses were not divinely revealed. Take for instance, the Qur'an's claim that the People of Lot were the first to experience homosexuality. This is purely a myth. Homosexuality has been recorded in ancient cultures far before the time of Lot and Abraham (1948–2123 BC). For example the ancient Egyptians who existed 6000 years BC. Not to mention the Chinese and Indian cultures which existed 7000 years BC. There are many recorded tales which portray homosexuality, such as the story between Seth and Horus. Scientifically, historically and morally, this Qur'anic story makes little sense.<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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*[[:Category:Former Muslims who are homosexual|Former Muslims who are homosexual]]<br />
*[[Images:Homosexuality]]<br />
*[[Videos on Islam:Homosexuality]]<br />
*[[Homosexuality (Translations of Arabic/Islamic Media)]]<br />
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'''Other Core Articles'''<br />
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''Core articles contain an overview of other articles related to a specific issue, and serve as a starting point for anyone wishing to learn about Islam:''<br />
* [[Islam and Apostasy]]<br />
* [[Islam and Miracles]]<br />
* [[Islam and Pedophilia]]<br />
* [[Islam and Propaganda]]<br />
* [[Islam and Science]]<br />
* [[Islam and Scripture]]<br />
* [[Islam and the People of the Book]]<br />
* [[Islam and Violence]]<br />
* [[Islam and Women]]<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/homosexual.htm Sharia sure ain’t gay: Muhammad and the homosexual] ''- By James M. Arlandson''<br />
*[http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/03/24/homophobic-barbarians-10-reasons-every-gay-american-needs-to-support-the-war-against-islamofascism-1/ Homophobic Barbarians: 10 Reasons Every Gay American Needs to Support the War Against Islamofascism] ''- By Megan Fox''<br />
*[http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1212925221746&pagename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah/LSELayout How Islam Views Homosexuality] ''- 15 Fatwa's from Islam-Online''<br />
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==References==<br />
{{Reflist|30em}}<br />
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[[Category:Core Article]]<br />
[[Category:Islam and Homosexuality]]<br />
[[Category:Islamic Law]]<br />
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'''Jizyah''' or '''jizya''' (جزْي) is the extra tax imposed on non-Muslims ([[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Dhimmitude|Dhimmis]]) who live under Muslim rule according to the [[Qur'an]] and [[hadith]]:<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|9|29}}|Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.}}<br />
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{{Quote|Khalid bin Al-Waheed (Muslim General, 632AD)|"I call you to God and to Islam. If you respond to the call, then you are Muslims: You obtain the benefits they enjoy and take up the responsibilities they bear. If you refuse, then you must pay the jizyah. If you refuse the jizyah, I will bring against you tribes of people who are more eager for death than you are for life. We will then fight you until God decides between us and you." (Al Tabari, Volume XI)}}<br />
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{{Quote|Umar ibn al-Khattab during the conquest of al-Basrah (636 CE)|Summon the people to God; those who respond to your call, accept it from them, but those who refuse must pay the poll tax out of humiliation and lowliness. If they refuse this, it is the sword without leniency. Fear God with regard to what you have been entrusted. (Al Tabari, Volume XII)}}<br />
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Additional quotes can be found at [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Jizyah]].<br />
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Once a land is conquered by Islamic armies the ruler can impose a taxation on those non-Muslims who will not convert to [[Islam]]. <br />
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Jizyah is paid as a sign of submission and gives Dhimmis some legal protection in return. Under dhimmitude (the status that [[Islamic law]], the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims) Dhimmis usually are not allowed to carry arms to protect themselves, serve in the army or government, display symbols of their faith, build or repair places of worship etc. If the conquered do not wish to pay or convert, their fate may very well be slavery (under which, [[rape]] is permitted) or (as evidenced in the quotes above) death. <br />
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The amount of the Jizyah tax and the way it was collected varied from time to time and from place to place, but when imposed, the forced payment of Jizyah greatly stimulated the conversion of non-Muslims into Islam.<ref>[http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9368576 Jizya] - Encyclopedia Britannica</ref> In some cases the taxation of the non-Muslims was so profitable that the Islamic rulers prohibited their subjects from converting to Islam, lest they should lose their income.<br />
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To be fair to history; Jizyah was not entirely an Islamic initiative or the innovation of its prophet [[Muhammad]], (Emphasis on the word “entirely”). A certain form of Jizyah had existed among the tribes of Northern Arabia in pre-Islamic times. This fact is attested by the famous historian Philip. K. Hitti in his ''History of Arabs''. ''Ghazw'' (غزو) or raiding others for feeding mouths was an accepted norm among the Bedouin tribes of that time. As ''Hitti'' noted, "Ghazw was a manly occupation of Bedouins where fighting mood was a chronic mental condition". For people among the tribes, everything that belonged to the other tribes guaranteeing material gain made a legitimate target. The context made it necessary for a weaker tribe or a sedentary settlement on the borderland to buy protection from the stronger tribe by paying what it then called ''Khuwwah'' which later became Jizyah in Muhammad’s Islam. Along with the booty acquired through raids and wars, Jizyah turned out to be a good source of income for believers when they were constantly occupied in spreading the newly founded religion by means of violence. To sum up, by imposing Jizyah on subjugated unbelievers Muhammad was reinstating an undivine tribal norm into his religion, thus broadening an abject backward practice.<br />
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==A Sign of Kufr and Disgrace==<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20986 Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|2=Allah said, (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said, "Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley." This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace.}}<br />
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==Approval from Islamic Scholars==<br />
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{{Quote|Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid|The Muslims do not fight anyone until they have told them about the religion of Allaah and given them the choice between two things, either accepting Islam or, if they refuse Islam and keep their own religions, paying the Jizyah (tax) to the Muslims in return for protection. If they refuse both of these choices, then they are to be fought.|}}<br />
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{{Quote|Ahkaam al-Sijn wa’l-Sujana’ wa Mu’aamalat al-Sujana’ fi’l-Islam by Hasan Abi’l-Ghuddah, 256|If some people persist in rejecting the religion of Allaah and stand in the way of ruling by that which Allaah has revealed on earth, or they fight against the call to Allaah, then we give them the choice of three things: Either they become Muslim; or if they refuse they pay the jizyah (whereby they pay a specified amount to the Muslims in return for being allowed to remain their land, and the Muslims undertake to protect them); or, if they refuse that, there is nothing left but the way which they themselves have chosen, which is fighting and dealing violently with those who have persecuted the Muslims and put obstacles in the path of the Islamic da’wah. In this way the Muslims will gain the upper hand and the enemies will be humiliated; then when we have killed and wounded many of them and gained the upper hand over them, we may take prisoners and bind a bond firmly on them.|}}<br />
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Saudi Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-'Arifi, Imam of the mosque of King Fahd Defense Academy, discussed the coming Muslim conquest of the Vatican. Citing a Hadith in an article posted on the Kalemat website in 2002, he stated:<br />
{{Quote|Saudi Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-'Arifi|"… We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it. Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims … will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…"<ref>[http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17710 The Next Pope and Islamic Prophecy] frontpagemag.com</ref>}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/MILESTONES.pdf Milestones (Ma'alim 'ala Al-Tariq) p.73]<BR>Sayyid Qutb|"It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries to continue the lordship of some men over others and does not extend its message and its declaration of universal freedom within their domain. But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by Jizyah..."}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/9/index.html#sdfootnote29sym Commentary on Qur'an Chapter 9:29]<BR>Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, Tafhim al-Qur'an|2=This is the aim of Jihad with the Jews and the Christians and it is not to force them to become Muslims and adopt the `Islamic Way of Life.' They should be forced to pay Jizyah in order to put an end to their independence and supremacy so that they should not remain rulers and sovereigns in the land. These powers should be wrested from them by the followers of the true Faith, who should assume the sovereignty and lead others towards the Right Way, while they should become their subjects and pay jizyah...<br />
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[The Islamic State] cannot allow that they should remain supreme rulers in any place and establish wrong ways and impose them on others. As this state of things inevitably produces chaos and disorder, it is the duty of the true Muslims to exert their utmost to bring to an end their wicked rule and bring them under a righteous order. <br />
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As regards the question, "What do the non-Muslims get in return for Jizyah?" it may suffice to say that it is the price of the freedom which the Islamic State allows them in following their erroneous ways, while living in the jurisdiction of Islam and enjoying its protection. The money thus collected is spent in maintaining the righteous administration that gives them the freedom and protects their rights. This also serves as a yearly reminder to them that they have been deprived of the honor of paying Zakat in the Way of Allah, and forced to pay jizyah instead as a price of following the ways of error.}}<br />
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==Jizyah in History==<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://web.archive.org/web/20050625084731/http://www.turkishweekly.net/articles.php?id=68 The Historical Roots of Islamic Militancy in Pakistan and current scenario: Amicus]<BR>Mohammed Yousuf, Journal of Turkish Weekly, May 19, 2005|2=Not only Alamgir compiled Fatawa-u-Alamgiri, he re-imposed jizya (a tax on non-Muslims for protection under Muslim rule) that had been suspended by Akbar, destroyed some unauthorized temples and checked proselytizing activities of the Hindus.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.himalmag.com/apr2001/commentary.html Idolatry and the Taliban]|Once Muhammad Bin Qasim had established himself in Sindh he sent a letter to the Muslim Caliph in Damascus, seeking instruction as to how he should deal with the Hindus and Buddhists of the conquered area. The reply came that they be treated in accordance with the Quranic commandments relating to the People of the Book (Ahl-i-Kitab), the Jews and the Christians. Accordingly, the Buddhists and the Hindus of Sindh were to be given full freedom to practise their faiths, and their lives and property, including temples, were to be protected. In return, they were to pay a tax, the jizya. The old, the sick, children and priests were to be exempted from the tax. The non-Muslims were not obliged to perform military service, unlike the Muslims. Following these dictates, Muhammad Bin Qasim thus set a precedent which several other Muslim rulers after him followed.}}<br />
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==Jizyah in the Modern World==<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio.jsp?id=44202&eng=y The Mayor of Bethlehem is Christian, but It’s Hamas That’s in Charge]<BR>Sandro Magister, Chiesa News, December 29, 2005|2=The general plan of Hamas also includes the imposition of a special tax, called al-jeziya, upon all of the non-Muslim residents in the Palestinian territories. This tax revives the one applied through all of Islamic history to the dhimmi, the second-class Jewish and Christian citizens.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270377,00.html Christians Fleeing Violence in Iraq]<BR>The Associated Press, Fox News, May 07, 2007|In the recent violence, residents of the Baghdad neighborhood of Dora said gunmen knocked on the doors of Christian families, demanding they either pay jizya — a special tax traditionally levied on non-Muslims — or leave. The jizya has not been imposed in Muslim nations in about 100 years.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15903&size=A Hindus and Sikhs threatened by the Taliban and Sharia]<BR>Fareed Khan, Asia News, July 28, 2009|2= The Taliban in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) have issued an ultimatum against local Hindus and Sikhs: either you pay “jizya”, an Islamic poll tax for religious minorities that is akin to protection money, or you leave. Many (more than 400)Hindu and Sikh families have already left for Peshawar and neighbouring provinces. <br />
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Threats against Sikhs and Hindus are but the latest in a series of warnings against religious minorities in the NWFP, including Christians who have had to pay jizya and submit to Sharia.<br />
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“We were living under fear: fear of the Taliban, fear of Lashkar-e-Islam and fear of other armed groups,” a Sikh man told the Daily Times}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.ptinews.com/news/251505_Eight-Christians-kidnapped-in-Pakistan 2009 - Eight Christians kidnapped in Pakistan, Jizya May be Behind Abductions]|2= Eight members of the minority Christian community have been kidnapped in Pakistan's troubled Waziristan tribal region, reports said today.<br />
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Militants and criminals in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt have targeted minorities like Hindus, Sikhs and Christians. There have been several instances of members of minority communities being abducted for ransom or forced to pay 'jiziya', a tax levied on non-Muslims.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2009/s09070148.htm Christian Shot Eight Times for Refusing to Pay Protection Money]<BR>Jeremy Reynalds, ASSIST News Service, July 22, 2009|2= A human rights organization has learned that a Christian businessman was shot eight times in the legs while driving through Lahore, Pakistan after refusing to pay protection money to a Muslim.<BR><BR><br />
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Mobeena, [the Christians sister], told ICC, “Suqlain is still free and hanging around. The government has done nothing to help us, even though my brother is a prominent businessman. We feel insecure, our children are too scared to go out anymore - please help us, we need justice.”}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://en.aswataliraq.info/?p=124202 1960 Christians killed in Iraq since 2003 – survey]<BR>Aswat al-Iraq, December 26, 2009|2=According to the [Chaldean Cultural Association for Peace in Iraq] association’s survey, property of at least 500,000 Christians were taken away and 200,000 Christians were forced to pay extortion money, while dozens others were kidnapped then released for ransom.<br />
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“Before 2003, there were around 2.1 million Christians in Iraq, but now there are not more than 500,000 of them,” Masho said.<br />
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He criticized the Iraqi government for being unable to protect Christians, and said that it did not even fulfill its promises to compensate them.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.uriasposten.net/archives/34912|2=2012-03-16}} On the other side of the fence]<BR>Nicolai Sennels (Translator), Weekendavisen (Danish daily, not online), March 1, 2012|2=This past year there have been several disturbing incidents in the neighborhood of outer Nørrebro. In October, a refugee from Africa had his door kicked in several times and was threatened by a group of youths who accused him of being both black and Christian. <BR><BR>He was given a deadline of less than a week to pay them 10,000 kroner (1,800 USD) if he wanted to live in the area. Police told him that they could no longer guarantee his safety in Mjølnerparken [Muslim ghetto in Copenhagen, Denmark]. When Lejerbo (the company renting out apartments in the area) found him, he was crying and had slept on the street.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.onenewsnow.com/Missions/Default.aspx?id=1581314|2=2012-04-22}} Syrian Christian targeted in Syria]<BR>MNN, April 19, 2012|2=Refugees who have fled to Jordan from Syria are telling mission leaders supported by Christian Aid Mission about deliberate, new persecution from the "Arab Spring" insurgents who are seeking to overthrow the brutal Assad regime in Damascus.<BR>. . .<BR><br />
"It is over; we can't get back what we lost," said one discouraged Christian refugee here in Jordan. "It will never be the same anymore for me or my family. We've lost hope." He said he had to flee with his family at night, because anti-Christian persecution in Syria is becoming a steadily growing reality. <br />
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"I had my own business. I ran a supermarket, and we were financially stable. Unfortunately, that's not the case anymore. Our dreams vanished when a group of terrorists threatened to kill my family, burn our house, and set fire to the supermarket if I didn't pay them $7,000. <br />
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"I paid the amount, hoping that they would leave us alone, but they did not. Instead, they kidnapped me for a whole week. They only let me go on one condition: that each month I would pay them the same amount. <br />
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"What do you think I could do? I fled. I packed our stuff, taking only the basics. I took my family and came to Jordan. My son, Omar, has one year left to finish his bachelor's degree, but now his dreams have vanished as well. I used to be a business owner...but now I am a laborer who can hardly provide the day-to-day basics for my family."}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.fides.org/aree/news/newsdet.php?idnews=32122&lan=eng<!-- http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fides.org%2Faree%2Fnews%2Fnewsdet.php%3Fidnews%3D32122%26lan%3Deng&date=2012-09-06 --> ASIA/PAKISTAN - Attack in the Christian area: one victim and two injured in Karachi]<BR>Agenzia Fides, August 31, 2012|2=In Essa Nagri Christians are harassed by criminal gangs and Islamic terrorist groups of ethnic Pashtuns: armed to the teeth, the militants enter the area to collect the "Jizya" (the tax imposed, according to the sharia, on the non-Muslim minorities), and extort money from the Christian merchants. MASS activists have been denouncing for a long time continuous robberies, violence and abuses committed under the cover of some Police officials. Militants raid houses, steal and abuse women and children for fun.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://tribune.com.pk/story/446972/militancy-when-hundreds-of-sikhs-lost-their-homes-in-orakzai/|2=2012-10-07}} Militancy: When hundreds of Sikhs lost their homes in Orakzai]<BR>Umer Farooq, The Express Tribune, October 5, 2012|2=Around 69 families, approximately 500 Sikhs, were residing in Feroz Khail area of the agency. Most of them earned their living from cultivating crops and a few others from small makeshifts at a market, which were barely sufficient to make both ends meet.<br />
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Kalyan himself was picked up by militants and offered three options: To embrace Islam, to become part of their jihad or to pay a sum of Rs500 million.<br />
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“I could not even consider the first two options. I was released when residents intervened and the Sikh community paid Rs6.5 million as Jizya (protection money for non-Muslims),” Kalyan said.<br />
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Residents left the area within half an hour of the warning, leaving most of their valuables behind.}}<br />
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===Disguised Jizyah===<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.laqueur.net/print.php?r=2&rr=2&id=31 A Dire Continental Drift: While Europe Slept by Bruce Bave]<BR>Walter Laqueur, Wall Street Journal, February 18, 2006|2=In Denmark, Muslims make up 5% of the population but receive 40% of social-welfare outlays. Their preachers have told them, Mr. Bawer reports, that only a fool would not take maximum advantage of the bounty that Western Europe offers and that it is perfectly legitimate to cheat and lie. The benefits they receive are a kind of jizya, the tribute that infidels in Muslim-occupied countries have to pay to preserve their lives. (The subsidized-radical situation in Britain and Germany is not much different: The four suicide bombers in London last year had raked in close to a million dollars in social benefits before going on their murderous mission.)}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/3834.htm|2=2013-05-28}} Libyan Writer Mojahed Busify: Some European Muslims Collect Social Welfare, Claiming It Is Jizya]<BR>MEMRI, Clip No. 3834, April 19, 2013|2=Mojahed Bosify: Sixty percent of the Muslims in the Netherlands live off social security.<br />
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Interviewer: They are unemployed...<br />
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Mojahed Bosify: Many of them consider this to be the jizya poll tax, on the basis of official fatwas.<br />
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Interviewer: They consider social security to be the jizya?<br />
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Mojahed Bosify: When they go to the ATM or the bank teller, and say: "Convert to Islam or pay the jizya."<BR>. . .<BR><br />
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Interviewer: And the teller has no idea...<br />
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Mojahed Bosify: No, he just says: "Here is your money," and that's the end of it. Today, fewer people behave this way, but some still do.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016325.php Hugh Fitzgerald, Dhimmiwatch]|The Jizyah has "not been imposed" since European pressure and power has been brought to bear. But non-Muslims have been subject to a disguised Jizyah. Despite the supposed reforms that were to bring complete legal equality to non-Muslims in Turkey, in World War II the Varlik Vergesi was a large tax imposed by the government on non-Muslim citizens, who despite Kemalism, or perhaps because of it, have never been considered "Turks" equal to Muslim "Turks." <br />
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In Malaysia the non-Muslims have been subject to the disguised Jizyah of the Bumiputra system, which favors economically the Muslims, and essentially involves a transfer of wealth from the more industrious and entrepreneurial non-Muslims (Chinese and Hindus) to Muslims (Malays, but not the members of the indigenous tribes, which were christianized, or remained pagan -- and only now are being islamized through intense pressure and Da'wa campaigns). <br />
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Elsewhere, as in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Hindus and Christians live in a state of permanet physical danger, and that danger also is one of losing their property to Muslim looters and marauders who cannot be sued or brought to justice on the say-so of a non-Muslim. The Jews of the Arab world fled -- nearly one million of them -- leaving their property, which was the last transfer of wealth. In Egypt, under Nasser, the property of most Jews and the Levantine Christains -- Greeks, Italians, and others -- were "nationalized" as Nasser put it. But this was nothing more than the seizure of Infidel property by Muslim governments. Copts in Egypt do not pay a direct Jizyah. But there are other ways to force local Christians, constantly fearful for their own well-being, to have them pay off, or take as local partners, Muslims who may protect them. There is no security for the property of non-Muslims in Muslim lands, and there are various ways in which the "protection money" that is the Jizyah is paid, often in indirect, informal, and disguised ways, when the more direct imposition would attract too much unwanted Western attention and, presumably, outrage.}}<br />
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==Other Islamic Taxes==<br />
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===Zakat===<br />
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Some will say that Muslims also had to pay a tax equivalent to the jizjah paid by Dhimmis'. It is true that Muslims, under the empire, paid a tax called zakat. However, this zakat is a 2.5% tax, while the jizyah (which can vary) is about a 10% income tax (although it has been known to be as high as 50%). Muslims are obligated to pay this so-called "charity tax" even today, as its one of the five pillars of Islam. But, instead of paying it to the state, they now pay zakat to charities of their choice. It must however be noted that the majority of Islamic scholars are of the view that non-Muslims should not benefit from this alms giving,<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=984|title= The way of giving Zakat al-Fitr in non-Islamic Lands|publisher= IslamicAwakening|author= Haytham bin Jawwad al-Haddad|series= Article ID: 984|date= November 20, 2002|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=984&date=2011-05-09|deadurl=no}}</ref> which is why we find mainstream Islamic charities, like Islamic Relief, almost exclusively<ref>[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Islamic-Relief.htm Islamic Relief and the Myth of Non-Discriminating Muslim Charity] - TROP</ref> focusing their humanitarian work in Muslim majority nations or areas in non-Muslim countries which are heavily populated by Muslim minorities. In the aftermath of the 2010 Pakistan floods, many Christian survivors were denied aid supplied by Muslim charities for this very reason.<ref>[http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=7460 Pakistan: some Christians denied aid unless they convert to Islam] - Catholic Culture, September 6, 2010</ref><br />
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===Devshirme===<br />
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{{Quote||Devshirme (derived from , "collection, gathering"; called "collection of boys" or "blood tax" in Balkan countries in their native languages) was the systematic abduction of young boys from conquered Christian lands by the Ottoman sultans as a form of regular taxation in order to build a loyal slave army (formerly largely composed of war captives) and the class of (military) administrators called the "Janissaries", or other servants such as tellak in hamams. . Boys delivered to the Ottomans in this way were called ghilmán or acemi oglanlar ("novice boys").}}<br />
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===Kharaj===<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/316354/kharaj kharaj]<BR>The Encyclopædia Britannica|Tax imposed on recent Islamic converts in the 7th–8th century. <br />
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In Islamic territories, Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians who did not convert to Islam were required to pay a tax called the jizya. Many people converted to Islam to avoid this tax or to escape the ban on non-Muslims owning land. As financial problems mounted for the Umayyad rulers, authorities imposed the kharaj as a property tax for recent converts. Popular opposition to the tax led to a revolt in 747 and precipitated the downfall of the Umayyad dynasty.}}<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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{{Hub4|Jizyah|Jizyah}}<br />
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{{Translation-links-english|[[Джизя - Данък|Bulgarian]]}}<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://debate.org.uk/debate-topics/historical/the-jizyah-tax The Jizyah Tax: Equality And Dignity Under Islamic Law?]<br />
*[http://www.bharatvani.org/books/jihad/app2.htm Jizyah and the Zimmî]<br />
*[http://www.dhimmitude.org/archive/by_lecture_10oct2002.htm Dhimmitude Past and Present: An Invented or Real History?]'', by Bat Ye'or''<br />
*[http://www.outsidethewire.com/blog/media/payments-to-hamas-as-jizyah.html Payments to Hamas as Jizyah]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya Jizyah]'' - Wikipedia (Additional information and contains some more Hadith references)''<br />
*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/004-jizya.htm Islam: Requiring Other Faiths to Pay Up] ''- TheReligionofPeace.com''<br />
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*[http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=166 Regarding Jizyah on non-Muslim Citizens]'' - Understanding-Islam.com''<br />
*[http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544994 Jizyah and non-Muslim Minorities] ''- Fatwa Bank at IslamOnline.net''<br />
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[[ru:Джизья]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=%D0%94%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B7%D1%8F_-_%D0%94%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8A%D0%BA&diff=112195Джизя - Данък2015-04-06T16:56:06Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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<div><metadesc> Джизие</metadesc><br />
'''Джизя''' или '''Джизие''' (جزْي) е дискриминационен данък върху немюсюлманите (дхиммис), живеещи под мюсюлманско управление в съответствие с Корана и хадисите.<br />
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== Джизя в Корана и хадисите ==<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/9.At-Tauba.htm Коран 9:29]| Сражавайте се с онези от дарените с Писанието, които не вярват в Аллах и в Сетния ден, и не възбраняват онова, което Аллах и Неговият Пратеник са възбранили, и не изповядват правата вяра -; докато не дадат налога ['''джизя'''] безусловно и с покорство.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[https://books.google.ie/books?id=47PEMS6emv0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+History+of+al-Tabari+Vol.+11&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5jMVVb_4Jqqu7ga5pIGwDw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=eager&f=false Ал-Табари, стр.4, том 11 / Халид бин ал-Уахид (Командир на мюсюлманската армия 632 г. пр.н.е.)] – (Английски език)|2=Аз ви призовавам към Аллах и Исляма. Ако отговаряте на споразумението, то вие сте мюсюлмани. Ще имате преимущества, от които ще се ползвате и носите отговорност, която ви е наложена. Ако откажете, то вие сте длъжни да платите '''Джизя '''. Ако откажете да платите '''Джизя ''' , аз ще докарам върху вас племена, които ви желаят смъртта повече, отколкото вие искате да живеете. Ние ще се борим с вас, докато Аллах направи своята присъда между нас и вас.”}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://books.google.ie/books?id=lj9_SE3_DXkC&pg=PA167&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false Ал-Табари, стр.167, том 12 / Умар ибн ал-Хаттаб по време на завладяването на Ал Басра(636 н.е.)] – (Английски език)|2=Призовавайте хората към Аллах и тия ,които ви послушат -приветствайте. Тези , които се противят трябва да платят наложения данък , като символ на унижение и подчинение. '''Ако откажат да го платят, мечът ще е награда за главата им'''. Бойте се от Аллах и правете това , което ви е поръчано.}}<br />
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Допълнителни примери могат да бъдат намерени на: [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Jizyah|Коран, Хадис и учени:Джизя]] - (Английски език)<br />
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След като една територия е завладяна от ислямската армия , то управителят и може да постанови специален данък за немюсюлмани , които отказват да приемат исляма.<br />
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Джизя се плаща в знак на покорност и дава някои елементи на правова защита на дхиммите( немюсюлманите). Според дхимми( правов режим за немюсюлмани в ислямския закон -Шариата) ,на (дхимите) обикновено не се позволява да притежават оръжие, да носят оръжие за самозащита, да служат в армията, да са държавни органи, да изповядват публично своята религия , да строят храмове за религиозни цели и т.н.<br />
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Ако завладяните и унизените не искат да плащат Джизя, те могат да станат роби. Върху робът може и се позволява да се налага физическо и сексуално насилие .<br />
Също така, мюсюлманин има право да убие роб , както се вижда от написаното по-горе.<br />
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Размерът на Джизя и начинът на събирането му варира в зависимост от времето и мястото, но все пак дискриминационното данъчно облагане стимулира процеса на приемане на исляма в името на освобождението на данъчната тежест. <ref>[http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9368576 Jizya]- (Английски език) — Encyclopedia Britannica </ref> В някои случаи, данъчното облагане на немюсюлманите е толкова печелившо, че ислямските владетели забранявали на поданиците си да приемат исляма, за да не загубят сигурен доход.<br />
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== Контекст ==<br />
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Трябва да се отбележи, че Джизя не е съвсем 100% ислямска инициатива или иновация на Мухаммад (акцента в този случай , е над думата "съвсем"). Някаква форма на Джизя е съществувала и сред племената на Северна Арабия в до ислямския период.<br />
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За този факт свидетелства и известния историк [[W:Philip_Khuri_Hitti| Филип Х.Хитти]] в своята "История на арабите". Газв (غزو) или други подобни набези с цел печалба, били сред приетите норми сред бедуинските племена от онова време. Според Хитти, газв е "форма на утвърждение на бедуините в окупираните територии, и тяхната агресивност е особена форма на психическото състояние."<br />
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За членовете на тези силни племена всички, които са принадлежали към други племена, обезпечавали материална облага, която се превръщала в законен мотив за изтребване и завладяването им . Във връзка с това, слабите заселени племена, живеещи по границата, купували защита от най-силното племе, заплащайки данък наречен Хувах, който по-късно станал Джизя в исляма след Мухаммад.<br />
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Наред с користите , придобити чрез нападения и опустошителни войни, Джизя бил добър източник на доходи за вярващите, защото те постоянно били ангажирани в разпространението на новоучредената религия - Ислям, отново с помощта на насилие(без да имат време да работят друго).<br />
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По този начин, чрез въвеждане на Джизя над завладяните не вярващи в Аллах, Мухаммад въвеждал не божествени племенни норми в собствената си религия, разширявайки практиката на дивото езическо налогооблагане.<br />
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== Джизя като символ на срам и кафир ==<br />
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{{Quote |[http://crimean.org/index.php/islam/koran/as-saadi/9/29#29 Тефсир(тълкувание) на Абдуррахмана Ас-Саади , Коран 9:29] - (Руски език) | Аллах е заповядал да се сражават срещу хората на Писанието и е вдъхновил мюсюлманите да се борят с тях, тъй като те призовават обкръжаващите ги към възгледите си ,наричат себе си последователи на Свещените Писанията и представляват сериозна заплаха за хората. И трябва да се продължи борбата с тях до тогава, докато се съгласят да заплатят Джизя на мюсюлманите. <br />
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Всеки християнин или юдеин е длъжен собственоръчно да заплати Джизя, което подчертава неговото ниско положение спрямо мюсюлманите.<br />
Но ако хората на Писанието(християни и юдеи) не изпълнят тези свои задължения смирено и унизено, то мюсюлманите трябва да се сражават с тях, докато приемат исляма.}}<br />
{{Quote| - Данъкът Джизя се явява признак на позор и кафир, Тефсир(тълкувание) на Ибн Касир| Аллах казва: (докато не платите Джизя), отказвате да приемете исляма (с доброволно подчинение), о вие завладявани и подчинени (подтиснати), нека бъдете унижени и опозорени.<br />
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Ето защо, мюсюлманите не трябва да зачитат немюсюлманите (да ги третират като равни) или ги поставя над мюсюлманите, защото те са по дефиниция нещастни, посрамени и унижени. Муслим записал от Абу Хурайра, че Пророка казал: "Не поздравявайте първи ни евреите, нито християните и ако ги срещнете по средата на пътя, ги тласкайте ги към ръба(в страни на пътя)<br />
Именно затова лидерът на правоверните Умар ибн ал-Хаттаб, Аллах да бъде доволен от него, изисквал от християните да бъдат спазвани всички известни условия, които осигурявали и обезпечавали тяхното продължително унижение, деградация и позор.}}<br />
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== Ислямски учени за Джизя ==<br />
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{{Quote|- Шейх Мухаммад Салих ал-Мунаджид | Мюсюлманите не са длъжни да воюват с никого, дотогава докогато не разкажат за правата религия на Аллах, на неверниците. И докогато не им дадат право на избор между двете неща : или да приемат Исляма и ли да си практикуват религията, но да плащат Джизя в полза на мюсюлманите срещу защита. Ако откажат да плащат, то нека се води срещу тях боен джихад.}}<br />
{{Quote |- Ахкаам ал-Сиджрн вал-Суджана ва Муамаллат ал-Суджана фил-Ислам Гасан Абил-Гудах, 256 | Ако неверниците упорито отхвърлят Исляма, религията на Аллах и стоят на пътя, който Аллах забранява, или се борят против ислямсата мисия (даавата), то ние предлагаме избор между три варианта :<br />
а)да станат мюсюлмани; <br />
б)ако се откажат от първото -да платят Джизя (данък в полза на Ислямската умма(народ) в замяна на правото да продължат да притежават и да се разпореждат с имущество и земя, както и защита от мюсюлманите);<br />
в)ако обаче, те се откажат и от второто и продължат в пътя, който сами са избрали против Аллах, се явяват врагове на ислямската мисия ( даавата).В тоя случай мюсюлманите могат да управляват неверниците като ги завладяват, притежават, унижават както повелява Шариата.}}<br />
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Саудитският Шейх Мухаммад бин Абд ал-Рахман ал-Арифи, имам на джамията на крал Фахд (академия на отбраната ) в обсъждане на предстояща мюсюлманска кампанията срещу Ватикананаправи изказване, позовавайки се на хадисите в статия, публикувана на сайта на Kалемат през 2002 г., той каза:<ref>[http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17710 The Next Pope and Islamic Prophecy] - (Английски език)</ref><br />
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{{Quote | - саудитски шейх Мухаммад бин Абд ал-Рахман ал-Арифи |Ние ще притежаваме земята на Ватикана, ние ще принудим и Рим да приеме исляма. Християните, които издълбават кръстове на гърдите мюсюлмани <...> ще плащат Джизя (данък за неверниците), в знак, че са унижени, или ще приемат исляма}}<br />
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{{Quote| - Важни събития (Маалим Ала Ал-Тарик), Сейид Кутб, стр.73 |Може да се случи враговете на исляма да смятат, че е целесъобразно, да не се предприемат никакви действия срещу исляма, тъй като ислямът ще ги остави в рамките на собствените си географски граници, така че те да продължават да доминират в тези земи, подчинявайки едни хора над други и да остави свободата им да разпространяват своите универсални идеи за свобода според досегашните границите на техните страни.<br />
Но ислямът може да го направи това, само ако те са съгласни да плащат данък Джизя за тяхната автономия. }}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/9/index.html#sdfootnote29sym Коментар върху Корана глава 9:29] – (Английски език)<BR> Саид Абул Ала Маудуди - Тавхим ал-Коран - Смисълът на Корана|2=Това е и целта на джихад срещу евреите и християните, но това не ги принуждава да станат мюсюлмани и да приемат "Ислямски начин на живот." Те трябва да платят Джизя , за да се сложи край на тяхната независимост и да е сигурно, че няма да има повече други царе и владетели на земите им.<br />
Тези правомощия трябва да бъдат взети от ръцете им от последователите на Истинската вяра, която е длъжна да вземе суверенитета и да обръща останалите да поемат по Правилния път, докато не станат поданици и не платят Джазя.<br />
Ислямско правителство и ислямаска държава не може да си позволява да държи върховни владетели, които ще постановяват неправилни ценности, като ги налагат и над другите.Това неминуемо ще предизвика хаос и безпорядък и задължение на истинските мюсюлмани е да направят всичко възможно, да сложат край на нечестивите им пътища и да наложат над тях правилния път и ред.<br />
Що се отнася до въпроса "Какво получават неверниците в замяна на Джизя?", Отговорът е:<br />
достатъчно е да се каже, че това е цената на свободата, която им делегира едно ислямско правителство и ислямска държава, което им позволява да продължат да следват техните заблуди, като живеещи под юрисдикцията на исляма, и ползвайки правото на защита. Така събраните пари се харчат за поддържане на праведния път на режима, който им дава свободата и защитава техните права. Той също така служи като напомняне, че те са били лишени от честта, да плаща Закят по пътя на Аллах, и заплащането на Джизя показва цената на тяхната заблуда.}}<br />
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== Джизя в историята ==<br />
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{{Quote|1= - [http://web.archive.org/web/20050625084731/http://www.turkishweekly.net/articles.php?id=68 Историческите корени на ислямските активисти в Пакистан и сегашния сценарий: Amicus] – (Английски език)<BR> Мохаммед Юсуф, (Journal of Turkish Weekly/ Вестник „Турски Седмичник”), 9-ти Май, 2005г.|2=Уви, не Алгамир е създател на фетвите У-Алгамири, той само е възстановил Джизието( налог над немюсюлманите в съответствие с Шариата), койро бил преустановен от Акбар, който унищожил няколко строящи се незаконно храма в прозелитски хиндуистки среди.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.himalmag.com/apr2001/commentary.html - Идолопоклонство и движение "Талибан"] – (Английски език) |След като Мухаммад бин Касим се установил в Синд, изпратил писмо до мюсюлманския халиф в Дамаск, с инструкции как той трябва да се държи и постъпва с хиндуисти и будисти в завладяния регион. Отговорът бил, че те ще се третират в съответствие с разпоредбите на Шариата, засягащи хората на Писанието (Ахл ал Китаб), евреите и християните. <br />
Съответно, на будисти и хиндуисти в Синд бе дадена пълна свобода да изповядват религията си, за да запазят своя живот и имущество, включително храмове си , осигурила им се и и защита.<br />
На свой ред, те трябвало да плащат данък Джизя. Възрастните хора, болни, деца и свещениците били освободени от данъци. Неверниците(немюсюлманите) и необрязаните нямали задължение да изпълняват военна служба, за разлика от мюсюлманите. Следвайте тези постановления , Мухаммад бин Касим, създадал прецедентна практиката , която впоследствие се въвела и в другите региони.}}<br />
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== Джизя в съвременният свят ==<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio.jsp?id=44202&eng=y Кметът на Витлеем е Християнин, но това е Хамас, това се Таксува] – (Английски език)<BR>Сандро Магистър, Чиеса Нюс, 29-ти Декември, 2005г. / Sandro Magister, Chiesa News, December 29, 2005|2=В общият план на Хамас се включва и въвеждане на специален данък, наречен Ал-джизя, който е за всички немюсюлмански жителите на палестинските територии. Този данък възражда една традиция, която може да се проследи в цялата история на исляма във връзка с дхиммис -второкласни еврейските и християнските граждани.}} <br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270377,00.html Християни бягат от насилия в Ирак] – (Английски език)<BR>Асошиейтед Прес, Фокс Нюс, 7-ми Май, 2007г. / The Associated Press, Fox News, May 07, 2007 |Един от последните инциденти на насилие, извършени в близост до района на Багдад (Дора), според разказите на местните, бил когато въоръжени лица чукали на вратите на християнските семейства, за да искат да се плати Джизя, специален традиционен данък върху немюсюлманите, или да се махат от Ирак. Джизя не се е събирал в ислямските страни в продължение на почти 100 години.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15903&size= Индуси и сикхи застрашени от Талибаните и Шариата]<BR> Фарид Хан, Азия Новости, 28-ми Юли, 2009г. / Fareed Khan, Asia News, July 28, 2009|2= Талибаните издават ултиматум срещу местни индуси и сикхи в Северозападната гранична провинция:или вие плащате "джизя", ислямски данък за религиозните малцинства, или се махате от земята на Афганистан. По-голямата част 400 семейства на хиндуисти и сикхи вече са заминали за Пешавар и съседните провинции.<br />
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Заплахи срещу сикхите и индусите - един от последните в поредица от примери на насилие срещу религиозни малцинства в Северозападната гранична провинция, включително и християни, които трябва да плащат Джизя и да се подчиняват на Шариата.<br />
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“Живяхме в постоянно състояние на страх: страх от талибаните, страх от Лашкар-е-Ислям и други въоръжени ислямски групи,” - Представител на сикхите за Дейли Таймс/Daily Times }}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.ptinews.com/news/251505_Eight-Christians-kidnapped-in-Pakistan 2009 - Осем християни отвлечени в Пакистан, Джизя e възможна причина за отвличане] – (Английски език)|2= Получена е информация ,че осем члена на християнска община са отвлечени, в племенната област в Пакистан-Вазиристан.<br />
Ислямистите и престъпниците, които съставляват "гръбнака на племенното беззаконие" в Пакистан, извършват действия на сплашване на религиозни малцинства като хиндуисти, сикхи и християни. Няколко члена на религиозни малцинства са били отвлечени за откуп или за изнудване,за да се плаща Джизя, данък въведен само за немюсюлмани.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2009/s09070148.htm Християнин прострелян осем пъти за отказ да плащат пари за "защита"] – (Английски език) <BR> Джереми Рейнълдс, ASSIST News Service, 22-ри Юли 2009г. |2= Организация за правата на човека е научила, че християнин бизнесмен е прострелян осем пъти в краката, докато шофира през Лахор(Пакистан), след като отказва да плати парите за защита от мюсюлманите.<BR><BR><br />
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Мобиина ,(сестра на християнин) разказва пред ICC:<br />
"Суклейн са своводни, да се придвижват свободно по цялата страна. Правителството не е направило нищо, за да ни помогне, въпреки че брат ми е виден бизнесмен.<br />
Ние не се чувстваме в безопасност, нашите деца са твърде уплашени, за да излизат. Моля, помогнете ни, имаме нужда от правосъдие.”}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://en.aswataliraq.info/?p=124202 1960 Християни, убити в Ирак от 2003г. насам - Изследване] – (Английски език)<BR>Асуат ал-Ирак, 26-ти Декември 2009г. / Aswat al-Iraq, December 26, 2009|2= Според Културната халдейска асоциация за мир в Ирак, най-малко 500 000 християни са напуснали собственото си жилище и 200 000 от тях са били принудени, да заплащат на изнудвачи, както и десетки други са били отвлечени за откуп и след това освободени. <br />
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„До 2003 г. е имало около 2,1 милиона християни в Ирак, но сега са не повече от 500 000.” - каза Машо.<br />
Той разкритикува правителството на Ирак за факта, че не е в състояние да защити християните и заяви, че правителството не изпълнява обещанията си за обезщетения и възмездие. <br />
От 2003г. насам, в Ирак са убити 1960 християни}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.uriasposten.net/archives/34912|2=2012-03-16}} От другата страна на оградата] – (Датски език)<BR>Николай Сеннелс(Преводач), Уикенддевижън(Датски ежедневник), 1-ви Март, 2012г. / Nicolai Sennels (Translator), Weekendavisen (Danish daily, not online), March 1, 2012|2= Миналата година имаше няколко смущаващи инциденти в областта на Норребло. През Октомври, бежанец от Африка получил няколко заплахи от група млади мюсюлмани, които го обвинявали, че е черен и християнин.<br />
Дали му срок за по-малко от една седмица, за да плати 10 хиляди крони (1800 долара), ако иска да живее в района. Полицията заяви, че вече не може дасе гарантира неговата безопасност в Мьолнерпаркен (мюсюлманското гето в Копенхаген, Дания). Когато Лейербо(Lejerbo - фирма, специализирана в отдаване под наем на апартаменти в района) го намерила, той плачел и спял на улицата.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.onenewsnow.com/Missions/Default.aspx?id=1581314|2=2012-04-22}} Сирийските християни на прицел в Сирия] – (Английски език)<BR>МНН, 19-ти Април, 2012г. / MNN, April 19, 2012|2=Бежанците, които са избягали в Йордания от Сирия казват на лидерите, подкрепяни от [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Международна_финансова_помощ AID], за умишлено ново преследване от бунтовниците на"арабската пролет", които се опитват да свалят бруталния режим на Асад в Дамаск. <BR>. . .<BR><br />
"Свърши се; ние не можем да се върнем това, което загубихме ", каза един обезкуражен християнски бежанец тук в Йордания: "никога няма да бъде същото вече за мен или семейството ми. Ние сме загубили надежда".<br />
Той каза, че е трябвало да избяга със семейството си през нощта, тъй като анти-християнско преследване в Сирия се превръща в една постоянна нарастваща реалност. <br />
"Имах собствен бизнес. Вървящ супермаркет и финансово стабилни. За съжаление, това не вече така. Мечтите ни изчезнаха, когато група от терористи заплашиха да убият семейството ми, изгори къщата ни, и подпалиха супермаркета, ако не им платим $7000.” <br />
"Платих сумата, с надеждата, че те ще ни остави на мира, но те не го направиха. Вместо това, те ме отвлякоха за цяла седмица. Те ме оставиха да си отида при условие, че всеки месец ще плащаям същата сума. „<br />
" Какво мислиш, че бих могъл да направя? Бягах. Аз опаковах нашите основни неща. Взех моето семейство и дойдох в Йордания. Синът ми, Омар, има една година да довърши бакалавърската си степен, но сега мечтите му са изчезнали. Бях собственик на бизнес ... но сега съм общ работник, който едва ли може да осигури основите неща на ден за семейството ми."}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.fides.org/en/news/32122?idnews=32122&lan=eng#.VRJ364g87Go Aзия / ПАКИСТАН - Атака в християнския район: една жертва и двама ранени в Карачи] – (Английски език)<BR>Агенция Фидес, 31-ви Август, 2012г. / Agenzia Fides, August 31, 2012|2=В Есса, нагри християни са тормозени от престъпни групировки и ислямски терористични групи на етническите пущуни: въоръжени до зъби, бунтовниците влизат в зоната за събиране на "Джизя" (данък, според Шариата, за немюсюлманските малцинства) и изтръгнат пари от християнските търговци. <br />
Активисти са изобличили дългите и непрекъснати грабежи, насилие и злоупотреби, извършени под закрилата на някои полицейски служители. Активистите нахълтват в къщи, крадат и злоупотребяват с жени и деца за забавление.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://tribune.com.pk/story/446972/militancy-when-hundreds-of-sikhs-lost-their-homes-in-orakzai/|2=2012-10-07}} Войнственост: Когато стотици сикхи загубили домовете си в Оракзай] – (Английски език) <BR>Умер Фаруг, Експрес Трибюн, 5-ти Октомври, 2012г. / Umer Farooq, The Express Tribune, October 5, 2012|2=Около 69 семейства, приблизително 500 сикхи, са пребивавали във Фероз Каил, част от агенцията. Повечето от тях печелят прехраната си от култивирането на растения или малки импровизирани пазара, които са твърде недостатъчни за свързването на „двата края”.<br />
Калян беше избран(отвлечен) от бунтовници, които му предложили три възможности: <br />
1)да прегърне исляма;<br />
2)Да стане част от техния Джихад;<br />
3)Да плати сума в 500 милиона пакистански рупия.<br />
Калян каза: “ Не можех дори да помисли за първите два варианта. Аз бях освободен, когато жителите се намесиха и общността плати 6.5 милиона пакистански рупия като Джизя (пари защита за немюсюлмани),” <br />
Жителите са напуснали района в рамките на половин час след предупреждението, оставяйки голяма част от своите ценности там.}}<br />
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===Маскирана Джизя (Джизя в сянка)===<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.laqueur.net/print.php?r=2&rr=2&id=31 A Dire Continental Drift: Докато Европа заспа (от Брус Бейв)] – (Английски език) <BR>Уолтър Лаяуеър, Уоу Стреет Джърнал, 18-ти Февруари, 2006г. / Walter Laqueur, Wall Street Journal, February 18, 2006|2=В Дания, мюсюлманите съставляват 5% от населението, но получават 40% от Социалните помощи . Техните проповедници им обясняват, както казва г-н Бауер, че само глупак не би се възползвал от щедростта на Западна Европа и е напълно законно да мамят и лъжат.<br />
Преимуществата , които ползват е един вид Джизя, данък който неверниците(немюсюлманите) в окупираните страни трябва да заплащат, за да си гарантират и спасят живота. Субсидирането на радикалисти в Германия и Великобритания не е по -различно от датския опит: четирима терористи -камикадзе в Лондон през миналата година, са получили около милион долара от социални помощи , преди да пристъпят към нападението.)}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/3834.htm|2=2013-05-28}} Либийският писател Можахер Бусифу: Някои европейски мюсюлмани събират Социални Помощи, твърдейки че е Джизя] – (Английски език)<BR>Видео клип Номер 3834 на телевизия Мемри, 19-ти Април, 2013г. / MEMRI, Clip No. 3834, April 19, 2013|2= Можахер Бусифу Шестдесет процента от мюсюлманите в Холандия живеят от социалното осигуряване.<br />
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Водещ: Те са безработни...<br />
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Можахер Бусифу: Много от тях смятат, че това е данъкът Джизя, въз основа на официални Фетви.<br />
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Водещ: Те считат, социалните помощи за Джизя?<br />
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Можахер Бусифу: Когато те отидат до банкомат или банков касиер и кажат: "приемете Исляма или плащайте Джизя” <BR>. . .<BR><br />
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Водещ: И касиера няма представа...<br />
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Можахер Бусифу: Не, те просто казват: "Тук са парите ви" и това е всичко. Днес, по-малко хора се държат по този начин, но някои все още го правят.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016325.php Хю Фицджералд, Дхиммиуотч] – (Английски език) |Джизя бе отменен заради увеличения натиск от Европа. Но не-мюсюлмани бяха обект на прикрит "данък в сянка" Джизя. Въпреки реформите, които трябваше да доведат до пълно правно равенство между мюсюлмани и немюсюлмани в Турция, по време на Втората световна война е бил въведен завишен данък от правителството към гражданите немюсюлмани, които въпреки политиката на "кемализма(турски символ за светски реформи)", не са се считали за "турци" според мюсюлманското разбиране.<br />
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В Малайзия, немюсюлманите също са субекти на замаскиран Джизя на системата Бумипутра, която е допринесла за икономическия растеж на мюсюлманите, а в действителност извършва прехвърляне на богатство от по-работливите и предприемчиви немюсюлмани (китайци и индийци), върху мюсюлмани (малайци , но не и членове на местни племена, които са били християни или езичници и едва сега са се ислямизирали чрез огромен натиск върху тях).<br />
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На други места, в Пакистан и Бангладеш, хиндуисти и християни живеят в състояние на не секващ страх от опасността от физическо насилие, както и са беззащитни срещу мюсюлманите, които в болшинството са крадци или мародери, и не могат да се защитават, защото не им позволява техния статут на "не-мюсюлманин”. Повечето от евреите, които са избягали от арабския свят, около един милион от тях са оставили своя собственост, която е била последен и съществен трансфер на богатство в ръцете на мюсюлманите.<br />
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В Египет, по време на управлението на президента Насър, собствеността на повечето от евреите и християните - гърци, италианци и други е получила статут на "национализирана". Това е същото като изземването на имуществото им. Коптите в Египет, не плащат Джизя. Но има и много други начини да се принуждават местните християни постоянно, да се страхуват за тяхното благосъстояние, за да заплатят данъка, или да си изберат покровител из сред мюсюлманите.<br />
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Собствеността на немюсюлманите в ислямските страни на практика няма правна защита, както и има различни начини за изземване на средства от немюсюлманските граждани с цел да ги "защитават", т.е. платен Джизя- често непряко, неформално и прикрито под такава форма, че да не развалят имиджа на мюсюлманските страни в очите западните партньори.}}<br />
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== Други ислямски данъци ==<br />
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=== Закят ===<br />
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Някой ще каже, че и мюсюлманите също трябва да плащат данък, подобен на данъка, събрани от дхиммис Джизя . Истината е, че мюсюлманите в периода на империята са плащали данък, наречен Закят. Въпреки това, закят е само 2,5%, докато Джизя (размер варира в различните страни) е обикновено от 10% до 50% от данък общ доход.<ref>Бил Уорнър — [http://www.rightsidenews.com/201001278391/editorial/the-islam-tax.html Ислямската такса] – (Английски език) — Раид Сайд Нюз, 27-ми Януари, 2010г. / Right Side News, January 27, 2010</ref> Даже и днес мюсюлманите са задължени да плащат тази "благотворителна данък", и това се счита един от петте стълба на исляма.<br />
Но вместо да го плащат на държавата, те плащат закят за благотворителност -по техен избор. Следва да се отбележи, че по-голямата част от ислямските учени смятат, че немюсюлманите не следва да се ползват (или за милостиня ) от закята,<ref>Хайтам бин Джауад ал-Хаддад— [http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=984 Начинът, по който се дава Закят ал-Фитр в неислямски земи] – (Английски език) </ref> и по тази причина основните ислямски благотворителни организации, като "Ислямска помощ", организират своята хуманитарна дейност изключително <ref> [http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Islamic-Relief.htm Ислямско облекчение и митът за недискриминационна мюсюлманска милостиня] – (Английски език)</ref> и само в мюсюлманските страни или в области, гъсто населена от мюсюлманите в немюсюлмански страни.<br />
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Така по време на наводненията в Пакистан през 2010 г., на много от пострадалите, но оцелели християни бяха отхвърлени молбите им за помощ, от хуманитарните ислямски организации, поради тази причина.<ref>[http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=7460 Пакистан:на някои християни им е отказана AID хуманитарна помощ, освен ако не приемат Исляма] — Католическата култура, 6-ти Септември 2010г, - (Английски език)</ref><br />
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=== Девширме ===<br />
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{{Quote||Девширме (осм. ''دوشيرمه'' — ''devşirme'' «набор» от осм. ''ديوشرمك'' — събират (плодове, цветя и т.н..; гръцки. ''παιδομάζωμα'', набиране на деца; арменски: ''տերշիմէ''; серб. ''данак у крви / danak u krvi''; български: "кръвен данък” ) <br />
Представлява система за насилствено набиране на момчета от завладяните територии на християнски земи, въведен от Османските Султани, като форма на редовно данъчно облагане, с цел изграждане на лоялна армия от роби (по-рано се състояла главно от военнопленници) и клас ( военни командири), наричани "еничари", или други служители, като например "теляк в хамам". Момчетата били отвеждани в Османската империя под статута на т.нар. на турски: gılman-ı acemiyan или acemi oğlanlar (новобранци еничари).}}<br />
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=== Харадж ===<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/316354/kharaj Харадж] – (Английски език), Енциклопедия Британика / The Encyclopædia Britannica| Данъци наложени на ново приелите Исляма в 7-8 век. <br />
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По ислямските земи са живели евреи, християни и зороастрийци, които не са приемали исляма, за което трябвало да плащат данък, наречен Джизя. Мнозина се обърнали обаче към исляма, за да избегнат данъка или да се избегне изземването на правото им на собственост върху земята като немюсюлмани. След като възникнали финансовите проблеми на Омеядите, последните въвели Харадж <ref>[https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Харадж Харадж] -Уикипедия - (Руски език)</ref> - данък възху имуществото на новообърнатите в исляма. Популярното мнение за този налог е, че тази данъчна иновации довела до въстание в 747г. и падането на династията на Омеядите.}}<br />
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==Вижте също==<br />
* [[Статии на Български - Articles in Bulgarian|Статии на Български (Articles in Bulgarian)]]<br />
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'''Английски'''<br />
{{Hub4|Jizyah|Jizyah}}<br />
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== Външни препратки (Английски) == <br />
*[http://debate.org.uk/debate-topics/historical/the-jizyah-tax Данъкът Джизя: равенство и достойнство под ислямското право?]<br />
*[http://www.bharatvani.org/books/jihad/app2.htm Jizyah and the Zimmî]<br />
*[http://www.dhimmitude.org/archive/by_lecture_10oct2002.htm Dhimmitude Past and Present: An Invented or Real History?]'', by Bat Ye'or''<br />
*[http://www.outsidethewire.com/blog/media/payments-to-hamas-as-jizyah.html Плащания на Хамас като Джизя]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya Jizyah] '' - Уикипедия (Допълнителна информация съдържаща някои препратки по хадисите)''<br />
*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/004-jizya.htm Ислямът: Изискването други религии да плащат] ''- TheReligionofPeace.com''<br />
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*[http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=166 Относно Джизя на немюсюлманските граждани]'' - Understanding-Islam.com''<br />
*[http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544994 Джизя и немюсюлманските малцинства] ''- Fatwa Bank at IslamOnline.net''<br />
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<div><metadesc> Джизие</metadesc><br />
'''Джизя''' или '''Джизие''' (جزْي) е дискриминационен данък върху немюсюлманите (дхиммис), живеещи под мюсюлманско управление в съответствие с Корана и хадисите.<br />
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== Джизя в Корана и хадисите ==<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/9.At-Tauba.htm Коран 9:29]| Сражавайте се с онези от дарените с Писанието, които не вярват в Аллах и в Сетния ден, и не възбраняват онова, което Аллах и Неговият Пратеник са възбранили, и не изповядват правата вяра -; докато не дадат налога ['''джизя'''] безусловно и с покорство.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[https://books.google.ie/books?id=47PEMS6emv0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+History+of+al-Tabari+Vol.+11&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5jMVVb_4Jqqu7ga5pIGwDw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=eager&f=false Ал-Табари, стр.4, том 11 / Халид бин ал-Уахид (Командир на мюсюлманската армия 632 г. пр.н.е.)] – (Английски език)|2=Аз ви призовавам към Аллах и Исляма. Ако отговаряте на споразумението, то вие сте мюсюлмани. Ще имате преимущества, от които ще се ползвате и носите отговорност, която ви е наложена. Ако откажете, то вие сте длъжни да платите '''Джизя '''. Ако откажете да платите '''Джизя ''' , аз ще докарам върху вас племена, които ви желаят смъртта повече, отколкото вие искате да живеете. Ние ще се борим с вас, докато Аллах направи своята присъда между нас и вас.”}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://books.google.ie/books?id=lj9_SE3_DXkC&pg=PA167&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false Ал-Табари, стр.167, том 12 / Умар ибн ал-Хаттаб по време на завладяването на Ал Басра(636 н.е.)] – (Английски език)|2=Призовавайте хората към Аллах и тия ,които ви послушат -приветствайте. Тези , които се противят трябва да платят наложения данък , като символ на унижение и подчинение. '''Ако откажат да го платят, мечът ще е награда за главата им'''. Бойте се от Аллах и правете това , което ви е поръчано.}}<br />
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Допълнителни примери могат да бъдат намерени на: [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Jizyah|Коран, Хадис и учени:Джизя]] - (Английски език)<br />
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След като една територия е завладяна от ислямската армия , то управителят и може да постанови специален данък за немюсюлмани , които отказват да приемат исляма.<br />
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Джизя се плаща в знак на покорност и дава някои елементи на правова защита на дхиммите( немюсюлманите). Според дхимми( правов режим за немюсюлмани в ислямския закон -Шариата) ,на (дхимите) обикновено не се позволява да притежават оръжие, да носят оръжие за самозащита, да служат в армията, да са държавни органи, да изповядват публично своята религия , да строят храмове за религиозни цели и т.н.<br />
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Ако завладяните и унизените не искат да плащат Джизя, те могат да станат роби. Върху робът може и се позволява да се налага физическо и сексуално насилие .<br />
Също така, мюсюлманин има право да убие роб , както се вижда от написаното по-горе.<br />
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Размерът на Джизя и начинът на събирането му варира в зависимост от времето и мястото, но все пак дискриминационното данъчно облагане стимулира процеса на приемане на исляма в името на освобождението на данъчната тежест. <ref>[http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9368576 Jizya]- (Английски език) — Encyclopedia Britannica </ref> В някои случаи, данъчното облагане на немюсюлманите е толкова печелившо, че ислямските владетели забранявали на поданиците си да приемат исляма, за да не загубят сигурен доход.<br />
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== Контекст ==<br />
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Трябва да се отбележи, че Джизя не е съвсем 100% ислямска инициатива или иновация на Мухаммад (акцента в този случай , е над думата "съвсем"). Някаква форма на Джизя е съществувала и сред племената на Северна Арабия в до ислямския период.<br />
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За този факт свидетелства и известния историк [[W:Philip_Khuri_Hitti| Филип Х.Хитти]] в своята "История на арабите". Газв (غزو) или други подобни набези с цел печалба, били сред приетите норми сред бедуинските племена от онова време. Според Хитти, газв е "форма на утвърждение на бедуините в окупираните територии, и тяхната агресивност е особена форма на психическото състояние."<br />
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За членовете на тези силни племена всички, които са принадлежали към други племена, обезпечавали материална облага, която се превръщала в законен мотив за изтребване и завладяването им . Във връзка с това, слабите заселени племена, живеещи по границата, купували защита от най-силното племе, заплащайки данък наречен Хувах, който по-късно станал Джизя в исляма след Мухаммад.<br />
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Наред с користите , придобити чрез нападения и опустошителни войни, Джизя бил добър източник на доходи за вярващите, защото те постоянно били ангажирани в разпространението на новоучредената религия - Ислям, отново с помощта на насилие(без да имат време да работят друго).<br />
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По този начин, чрез въвеждане на Джизя над завладяните не вярващи в Аллах, Мухаммад въвеждал не божествени племенни норми в собствената си религия, разширявайки практиката на дивото езическо налогооблагане.<br />
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== Джизя като символ на срам и кафир ==<br />
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{{Quote |[http://crimean.org/index.php/islam/koran/as-saadi/9/29#29 Тефсир(тълкувание) на Абдуррахмана Ас-Саади , Коран 9:29] - (Руски език) | Аллах е заповядал да се сражават срещу хората на Писанието и е вдъхновил мюсюлманите да се борят с тях, тъй като те призовават обкръжаващите ги към възгледите си ,наричат себе си последователи на Свещените Писанията и представляват сериозна заплаха за хората. И трябва да се продължи борбата с тях до тогава, докато се съгласят да заплатят Джизя на мюсюлманите. <br />
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Всеки християнин или юдеин е длъжен собственоръчно да заплати Джизя, което подчертава неговото ниско положение спрямо мюсюлманите.<br />
Но ако хората на Писанието(християни и юдеи) не изпълнят тези свои задължения смирено и унизено, то мюсюлманите трябва да се сражават с тях, докато приемат исляма.}}<br />
{{Quote| - Данъкът Джизя се явява признак на позор и кафир, Тефсир(тълкувание) на Ибн Касир| Аллах казва: (докато не платите Джизя), отказвате да приемете исляма (с доброволно подчинение), о вие завладявани и подчинени (подтиснати), нека бъдете унижени и опозорени.<br />
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Ето защо, мюсюлманите не трябва да зачитат немюсюлманите (да ги третират като равни) или ги поставя над мюсюлманите, защото те са по дефиниция нещастни, посрамени и унижени. Муслим записал от Абу Хурайра, че Пророка казал: "Не поздравявайте първи ни евреите, нито християните и ако ги срещнете по средата на пътя, ги тласкайте ги към ръба(в страни на пътя)<br />
Именно затова лидерът на правоверните Умар ибн ал-Хаттаб, Аллах да бъде доволен от него, изисквал от християните да бъдат спазвани всички известни условия, които осигурявали и обезпечавали тяхното продължително унижение, деградация и позор.}}<br />
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== Ислямски учени за Джизя ==<br />
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{{Quote|- Шейх Мухаммад Салих ал-Мунаджид | Мюсюлманите не са длъжни да воюват с никого, дотогава докогато не разкажат за правата религия на Аллах, на неверниците. И докогато не им дадат право на избор между двете неща : или да приемат Исляма и ли да си практикуват религията, но да плащат Джизя в полза на мюсюлманите срещу защита. Ако откажат да плащат, то нека се води срещу тях боен джихад.}}<br />
{{Quote |- Ахкаам ал-Сиджрн вал-Суджана ва Муамаллат ал-Суджана фил-Ислам Гасан Абил-Гудах, 256 | Ако неверниците упорито отхвърлят Исляма, религията на Аллах и стоят на пътя, който Аллах забранява, или се борят против ислямсата мисия (даавата), то ние предлагаме избор между три варианта :<br />
а)да станат мюсюлмани; <br />
б)ако се откажат от първото -да платят Джизя (данък в полза на Ислямската умма(народ) в замяна на правото да продължат да притежават и да се разпореждат с имущество и земя, както и защита от мюсюлманите);<br />
в)ако обаче, те се откажат и от второто и продължат в пътя, който сами са избрали против Аллах, се явяват врагове на ислямската мисия ( даавата).В тоя случай мюсюлманите могат да управляват неверниците като ги завладяват, притежават, унижават както повелява Шариата.}}<br />
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Саудитският Шейх Мухаммад бин Абд ал-Рахман ал-Арифи, имам на джамията на крал Фахд (академия на отбраната ) в обсъждане на предстояща мюсюлманска кампанията срещу Ватикананаправи изказване, позовавайки се на хадисите в статия, публикувана на сайта на Kалемат през 2002 г., той каза:<ref>[http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17710 The Next Pope and Islamic Prophecy] - (Английски език)</ref><br />
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{{Quote | - саудитски шейх Мухаммад бин Абд ал-Рахман ал-Арифи |Ние ще притежаваме земята на Ватикана, ние ще принудим и Рим да приеме исляма. Християните, които издълбават кръстове на гърдите мюсюлмани <...> ще плащат Джизя (данък за неверниците), в знак, че са унижени, или ще приемат исляма}}<br />
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{{Quote| - Важни събития (Маалим Ала Ал-Тарик), Сейид Кутб, стр.73 |Може да се случи враговете на исляма да смятат, че е целесъобразно, да не се предприемат никакви действия срещу исляма, тъй като ислямът ще ги остави в рамките на собствените си географски граници, така че те да продължават да доминират в тези земи, подчинявайки едни хора над други и да остави свободата им да разпространяват своите универсални идеи за свобода според досегашните границите на техните страни.<br />
Но ислямът може да го направи това, само ако те са съгласни да плащат данък Джизя за тяхната автономия. }}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/9/index.html#sdfootnote29sym Коментар върху Корана глава 9:29] – (Английски език)<BR> Саид Абул Ала Маудуди - Тавхим ал-Коран - Смисълът на Корана|2=Това е и целта на джихад срещу евреите и християните, но това не ги принуждава да станат мюсюлмани и да приемат "Ислямски начин на живот." Те трябва да платят Джизя , за да се сложи край на тяхната независимост и да е сигурно, че няма да има повече други царе и владетели на земите им.<br />
Тези правомощия трябва да бъдат взети от ръцете им от последователите на Истинската вяра, която е длъжна да вземе суверенитета и да обръща останалите да поемат по Правилния път, докато не станат поданици и не платят Джазя.<br />
Ислямско правителство и ислямаска държава не може да си позволява да държи върховни владетели, които ще постановяват неправилни ценности, като ги налагат и над другите.Това неминуемо ще предизвика хаос и безпорядък и задължение на истинските мюсюлмани е да направят всичко възможно, да сложат край на нечестивите им пътища и да наложат над тях правилния път и ред.<br />
Що се отнася до въпроса "Какво получават неверниците в замяна на Джизя?", Отговорът е:<br />
достатъчно е да се каже, че това е цената на свободата, която им делегира едно ислямско правителство и ислямска държава, което им позволява да продължат да следват техните заблуди, като живеещи под юрисдикцията на исляма, и ползвайки правото на защита. Така събраните пари се харчат за поддържане на праведния път на режима, който им дава свободата и защитава техните права. Той също така служи като напомняне, че те са били лишени от честта, да плаща Закят по пътя на Аллах, и заплащането на Джизя показва цената на тяхната заблуда.}}<br />
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== Джизя в историята ==<br />
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{{Quote|1= - [http://web.archive.org/web/20050625084731/http://www.turkishweekly.net/articles.php?id=68 Историческите корени на ислямските активисти в Пакистан и сегашния сценарий: Amicus] – (Английски език)<BR> Мохаммед Юсуф, (Journal of Turkish Weekly/ Вестник „Турски Седмичник”), 9-ти Май, 2005г.|2=Уви, не Алгамир е създател на фетвите У-Алгамири, той само е възстановил Джизието( налог над немюсюлманите в съответствие с Шариата), койро бил преустановен от Акбар, който унищожил няколко строящи се незаконно храма в прозелитски хиндуистки среди.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.himalmag.com/apr2001/commentary.html - Идолопоклонство и движение "Талибан"] – (Английски език) |След като Мухаммад бин Касим се установил в Синд, изпратил писмо до мюсюлманския халиф в Дамаск, с инструкции как той трябва да се държи и постъпва с хиндуисти и будисти в завладяния регион. Отговорът бил, че те ще се третират в съответствие с разпоредбите на Шариата, засягащи хората на Писанието (Ахл ал Китаб), евреите и християните. <br />
Съответно, на будисти и хиндуисти в Синд бе дадена пълна свобода да изповядват религията си, за да запазят своя живот и имущество, включително храмове си , осигурила им се и и защита.<br />
На свой ред, те трябвало да плащат данък Джизя. Възрастните хора, болни, деца и свещениците били освободени от данъци. Неверниците(немюсюлманите) и необрязаните нямали задължение да изпълняват военна служба, за разлика от мюсюлманите. Следвайте тези постановления , Мухаммад бин Касим, създадал прецедентна практиката , която впоследствие се въвела и в другите региони.}}<br />
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== Джизя в съвременният свят ==<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio.jsp?id=44202&eng=y Кметът на Витлеем е Християнин, но това е Хамас, това се Таксува] – (Английски език)<BR>Сандро Магистър, Чиеса Нюс, 29-ти Декември, 2005г. / Sandro Magister, Chiesa News, December 29, 2005|2=В общият план на Хамас се включва и въвеждане на специален данък, наречен Ал-джизя, който е за всички немюсюлмански жителите на палестинските територии. Този данък възражда една традиция, която може да се проследи в цялата история на исляма във връзка с дхиммис -второкласни еврейските и християнските граждани.}} <br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270377,00.html Християни бягат от насилия в Ирак] – (Английски език)<BR>Асошиейтед Прес, Фокс Нюс, 7-ми Май, 2007г. / The Associated Press, Fox News, May 07, 2007 |Един от последните инциденти на насилие, извършени в близост до района на Багдад (Дора), според разказите на местните, бил когато въоръжени лица чукали на вратите на християнските семейства, за да искат да се плати Джизя, специален традиционен данък върху немюсюлманите, или да се махат от Ирак. Джизя не се е събирал в ислямските страни в продължение на почти 100 години.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15903&size= Индуси и сикхи застрашени от Талибаните и Шариата]<BR> Фарид Хан, Азия Новости, 28-ми Юли, 2009г. / Fareed Khan, Asia News, July 28, 2009|2= Талибаните издават ултиматум срещу местни индуси и сикхи в Северозападната гранична провинция:или вие плащате "джизя", ислямски данък за религиозните малцинства, или се махате от земята на Афганистан. По-голямата част 400 семейства на хиндуисти и сикхи вече са заминали за Пешавар и съседните провинции.<br />
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Заплахи срещу сикхите и индусите - един от последните в поредица от примери на насилие срещу религиозни малцинства в Северозападната гранична провинция, включително и християни, които трябва да плащат Джизя и да се подчиняват на Шариата.<br />
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“Живяхме в постоянно състояние на страх: страх от талибаните, страх от Лашкар-е-Ислям и други въоръжени ислямски групи,” - Представител на сикхите за Дейли Таймс/Daily Times }}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.ptinews.com/news/251505_Eight-Christians-kidnapped-in-Pakistan 2009 - Осем християни отвлечени в Пакистан, Джизя e възможна причина за отвличане] – (Английски език)|2= Получена е информация ,че осем члена на християнска община са отвлечени, в племенната област в Пакистан-Вазиристан.<br />
Ислямистите и престъпниците, които съставляват "гръбнака на племенното беззаконие" в Пакистан, извършват действия на сплашване на религиозни малцинства като хиндуисти, сикхи и християни. Няколко члена на религиозни малцинства са били отвлечени за откуп или за изнудване,за да се плаща Джизя, данък въведен само за немюсюлмани.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2009/s09070148.htm Християнин прострелян осем пъти за отказ да плащат пари за "защита"] – (Английски език) <BR> Джереми Рейнълдс, ASSIST News Service, 22-ри Юли 2009г. |2= Организация за правата на човека е научила, че християнин бизнесмен е прострелян осем пъти в краката, докато шофира през Лахор(Пакистан), след като отказва да плати парите за защита от мюсюлманите.<BR><BR><br />
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Мобиина ,(сестра на християнин) разказва пред ICC:<br />
"Суклейн са своводни, да се придвижват свободно по цялата страна. Правителството не е направило нищо, за да ни помогне, въпреки че брат ми е виден бизнесмен.<br />
Ние не се чувстваме в безопасност, нашите деца са твърде уплашени, за да излизат. Моля, помогнете ни, имаме нужда от правосъдие.”}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://en.aswataliraq.info/?p=124202 1960 Християни, убити в Ирак от 2003г. насам - Изследване] – (Английски език)<BR>Асуат ал-Ирак, 26-ти Декември 2009г. / Aswat al-Iraq, December 26, 2009|2= Според Културната халдейска асоциация за мир в Ирак, най-малко 500 000 християни са напуснали собственото си жилище и 200 000 от тях са били принудени, да заплащат на изнудвачи, както и десетки други са били отвлечени за откуп и след това освободени. <br />
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„До 2003 г. е имало около 2,1 милиона християни в Ирак, но сега са не повече от 500 000.” - каза Машо.<br />
Той разкритикува правителството на Ирак за факта, че не е в състояние да защити християните и заяви, че правителството не изпълнява обещанията си за обезщетения и възмездие. <br />
От 2003г. насам, в Ирак са убити 1960 християни}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.uriasposten.net/archives/34912|2=2012-03-16}} От другата страна на оградата] – (Датски език)<BR>Николай Сеннелс(Преводач), Уикенддевижън(Датски ежедневник), 1-ви Март, 2012г. / Nicolai Sennels (Translator), Weekendavisen (Danish daily, not online), March 1, 2012|2= Миналата година имаше няколко смущаващи инциденти в областта на Норребло. През Октомври, бежанец от Африка получил няколко заплахи от група млади мюсюлмани, които го обвинявали, че е черен и християнин.<br />
Дали му срок за по-малко от една седмица, за да плати 10 хиляди крони (1800 долара), ако иска да живее в района. Полицията заяви, че вече не може дасе гарантира неговата безопасност в Мьолнерпаркен (мюсюлманското гето в Копенхаген, Дания). Когато Лейербо(Lejerbo - фирма, специализирана в отдаване под наем на апартаменти в района) го намерила, той плачел и спял на улицата.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.onenewsnow.com/Missions/Default.aspx?id=1581314|2=2012-04-22}} Сирийските християни на прицел в Сирия] – (Английски език)<BR>МНН, 19-ти Април, 2012г. / MNN, April 19, 2012|2=Бежанците, които са избягали в Йордания от Сирия казват на лидерите, подкрепяни от [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Международна_финансова_помощ AID], за умишлено ново преследване от бунтовниците на"арабската пролет", които се опитват да свалят бруталния режим на Асад в Дамаск. <BR>. . .<BR><br />
"Свърши се; ние не можем да се върнем това, което загубихме ", каза един обезкуражен християнски бежанец тук в Йордания: "никога няма да бъде същото вече за мен или семейството ми. Ние сме загубили надежда".<br />
Той каза, че е трябвало да избяга със семейството си през нощта, тъй като анти-християнско преследване в Сирия се превръща в една постоянна нарастваща реалност. <br />
"Имах собствен бизнес. Вървящ супермаркет и финансово стабилни. За съжаление, това не вече така. Мечтите ни изчезнаха, когато група от терористи заплашиха да убият семейството ми, изгори къщата ни, и подпалиха супермаркета, ако не им платим $7000.” <br />
"Платих сумата, с надеждата, че те ще ни остави на мира, но те не го направиха. Вместо това, те ме отвлякоха за цяла седмица. Те ме оставиха да си отида при условие, че всеки месец ще плащаям същата сума. „<br />
" Какво мислиш, че бих могъл да направя? Бягах. Аз опаковах нашите основни неща. Взех моето семейство и дойдох в Йордания. Синът ми, Омар, има една година да довърши бакалавърската си степен, но сега мечтите му са изчезнали. Бях собственик на бизнес ... но сега съм общ работник, който едва ли може да осигури основите неща на ден за семейството ми."}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.fides.org/en/news/32122?idnews=32122&lan=eng#.VRJ364g87Go Aзия / ПАКИСТАН - Атака в християнския район: една жертва и двама ранени в Карачи] – (Английски език)<BR>Агенция Фидес, 31-ви Август, 2012г. / Agenzia Fides, August 31, 2012|2=В Есса, нагри християни са тормозени от престъпни групировки и ислямски терористични групи на етническите пущуни: въоръжени до зъби, бунтовниците влизат в зоната за събиране на "Джизя" (данък, според Шариата, за немюсюлманските малцинства) и изтръгнат пари от християнските търговци. <br />
Активисти са изобличили дългите и непрекъснати грабежи, насилие и злоупотреби, извършени под закрилата на някои полицейски служители. Активистите нахълтват в къщи, крадат и злоупотребяват с жени и деца за забавление.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://tribune.com.pk/story/446972/militancy-when-hundreds-of-sikhs-lost-their-homes-in-orakzai/|2=2012-10-07}} Войнственост: Когато стотици сикхи загубили домовете си в Оракзай] – (Английски език) <BR>Умер Фаруг, Експрес Трибюн, 5-ти Октомври, 2012г. / Umer Farooq, The Express Tribune, October 5, 2012|2=Около 69 семейства, приблизително 500 сикхи, са пребивавали във Фероз Каил, част от агенцията. Повечето от тях печелят прехраната си от култивирането на растения или малки импровизирани пазара, които са твърде недостатъчни за свързването на „двата края”.<br />
Калян беше избран(отвлечен) от бунтовници, които му предложили три възможности: <br />
1)да прегърне исляма;<br />
2)Да стане част от техния Джихад;<br />
3)Да плати сума в 500 милиона пакистански рупия.<br />
Калян каза: “ Не можех дори да помисли за първите два варианта. Аз бях освободен, когато жителите се намесиха и общността плати 6.5 милиона пакистански рупия като Джизя (пари защита за немюсюлмани),” <br />
Жителите са напуснали района в рамките на половин час след предупреждението, оставяйки голяма част от своите ценности там.}}<br />
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===Маскирана Джизя (Джизя в сянка)===<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.laqueur.net/print.php?r=2&rr=2&id=31 A Dire Continental Drift: Докато Европа заспа (от Брус Бейв)] – (Английски език) <BR>Уолтър Лаяуеър, Уоу Стреет Джърнал, 18-ти Февруари, 2006г. / Walter Laqueur, Wall Street Journal, February 18, 2006|2=В Дания, мюсюлманите съставляват 5% от населението, но получават 40% от Социалните помощи . Техните проповедници им обясняват, както казва г-н Бауер, че само глупак не би се възползвал от щедростта на Западна Европа и е напълно законно да мамят и лъжат.<br />
Преимуществата , които ползват е един вид Джизя, данък който неверниците(немюсюлманите) в окупираните страни трябва да заплащат, за да си гарантират и спасят живота. Субсидирането на радикалисти в Германия и Великобритания не е по -различно от датския опит: четирима терористи -камикадзе в Лондон през миналата година, са получили около милион долара от социални помощи , преди да пристъпят към нападението.)}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/3834.htm|2=2013-05-28}} Либийският писател Можахер Бусифу: Някои европейски мюсюлмани събират Социални Помощи, твърдейки че е Джизя] – (Английски език)<BR>Видео клип Номер 3834 на телевизия Мемри, 19-ти Април, 2013г. / MEMRI, Clip No. 3834, April 19, 2013|2= Можахер Бусифу Шестдесет процента от мюсюлманите в Холандия живеят от социалното осигуряване.<br />
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Водещ: Те са безработни...<br />
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Можахер Бусифу: Много от тях смятат, че това е данъкът Джизя, въз основа на официални Фетви.<br />
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Водещ: Те считат, социалните помощи за Джизя?<br />
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Можахер Бусифу: Когато те отидат до банкомат или банков касиер и кажат: "приемете Исляма или плащайте Джизя” <BR>. . .<BR><br />
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Водещ: И касиера няма представа...<br />
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Можахер Бусифу: Не, те просто казват: "Тук са парите ви" и това е всичко. Днес, по-малко хора се държат по този начин, но някои все още го правят.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016325.php Хю Фицджералд, Дхиммиуотч] – (Английски език) |Джизя бе отменен заради увеличения натиск от Европа. Но не-мюсюлмани бяха обект на прикрит "данък в сянка" Джизя. Въпреки реформите, които трябваше да доведат до пълно правно равенство между мюсюлмани и немюсюлмани в Турция, по време на Втората световна война е бил въведен завишен данък от правителството към гражданите немюсюлмани, които въпреки политиката на "кемализма(турски символ за светски реформи)", не са се считали за "турци" според мюсюлманското разбиране.<br />
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В Малайзия, немюсюлманите също са субекти на замаскиран Джизя на системата Бумипутра, която е допринесла за икономическия растеж на мюсюлманите, а в действителност извършва прехвърляне на богатство от по-работливите и предприемчиви немюсюлмани (китайци и индийци), върху мюсюлмани (малайци , но не и членове на местни племена, които са били християни или езичници и едва сега са се ислямизирали чрез огромен натиск върху тях).<br />
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На други места, в Пакистан и Бангладеш, хиндуисти и християни живеят в състояние на не секващ страх от опасността от физическо насилие, както и са беззащитни срещу мюсюлманите, които в болшинството са крадци или мародери, и не могат да се защитават, защото не им позволява техния статут на "не-мюсюлманин”. Повечето от евреите, които са избягали от арабския свят, около един милион от тях са оставили своя собственост, която е била последен и съществен трансфер на богатство в ръцете на мюсюлманите.<br />
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В Египет, по време на управлението на президента Насър, собствеността на повечето от евреите и християните - гърци, италианци и други е получила статут на "национализирана". Това е същото като изземването на имуществото им. Коптите в Египет, не плащат Джизя. Но има и много други начини да се принуждават местните християни постоянно, да се страхуват за тяхното благосъстояние, за да заплатят данъка, или да си изберат покровител из сред мюсюлманите.<br />
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Собствеността на немюсюлманите в ислямските страни на практика няма правна защита, както и има различни начини за изземване на средства от немюсюлманските граждани с цел да ги "защитават", т.е. платен Джизя- често непряко, неформално и прикрито под такава форма, че да не развалят имиджа на мюсюлманските страни в очите западните партньори.}}<br />
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== Други ислямски данъци ==<br />
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=== Закят ===<br />
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Някой ще каже, че и мюсюлманите също трябва да плащат данък, подобен на данъка, събрани от дхиммис Джизя . Истината е, че мюсюлманите в периода на империята са плащали данък, наречен Закят. Въпреки това, закят е само 2,5%, докато Джизя (размер варира в различните страни) е обикновено от 10% до 50% от данък общ доход.<ref>Бил Уорнър — [http://www.rightsidenews.com/201001278391/editorial/the-islam-tax.html Ислямската такса] – (Английски език) — Раид Сайд Нюз, 27-ми Януари, 2010г. / Right Side News, January 27, 2010</ref> Даже и днес мюсюлманите са задължени да плащат тази "благотворителна данък", и това се счита един от петте стълба на исляма.<br />
Но вместо да го плащат на държавата, те плащат закят за благотворителност -по техен избор. Следва да се отбележи, че по-голямата част от ислямските учени смятат, че немюсюлманите не следва да се ползват (или за милостиня ) от закята,<ref>Хайтам бин Джауад ал-Хаддад— [http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=984 Начинът, по който се дава Закят ал-Фитр в неислямски земи] – (Английски език) </ref> и по тази причина основните ислямски благотворителни организации, като "Ислямска помощ", организират своята хуманитарна дейност изключително <ref> [http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Islamic-Relief.htm Ислямско облекчение и митът за недискриминационна мюсюлманска милостиня] – (Английски език)</ref> и само в мюсюлманските страни или в области, гъсто населена от мюсюлманите в немюсюлмански страни.<br />
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Така по време на наводненията в Пакистан през 2010 г., на много от пострадалите, но оцелели християни бяха отхвърлени молбите им за помощ, от хуманитарните ислямски организации, поради тази причина.<ref>[http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=7460 Пакистан:на някои християни им е отказана AID хуманитарна помощ, освен ако не приемат Исляма] — Католическата култура, 6-ти Септември 2010г, - (Английски език)</ref><br />
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=== Девширме ===<br />
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{{Quote||Девширме (осм. ''دوشيرمه'' — ''devşirme'' «набор» от осм. ''ديوشرمك'' — събират (плодове, цветя и т.н..; гръцки. ''παιδομάζωμα'', набиране на деца; арменски: ''տերշիմէ''; серб. ''данак у крви / danak u krvi''; български: "кръвен данък” ) <br />
Представлява система за насилствено набиране на момчета от завладяните територии на християнски земи, въведен от Османските Султани, като форма на редовно данъчно облагане, с цел изграждане на лоялна армия от роби (по-рано се състояла главно от военнопленници) и клас ( военни командири), наричани "еничари", или други служители, като например "теляк в хамам". Момчетата били отвеждани в Османската империя под статута на т.нар. на турски: gılman-ı acemiyan или acemi oğlanlar (новобранци еничари).}}<br />
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=== Харадж ===<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/316354/kharaj Харадж] – (Английски език), Енциклопедия Британика / The Encyclopædia Britannica| Данъци наложени на ново приелите Исляма в 7-8 век. <br />
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По ислямските земи са живели евреи, християни и зороастрийци, които не са приемали исляма, за което трябвало да плащат данък, наречен Джизя. Мнозина се обърнали обаче към исляма, за да избегнат данъка или да се избегне изземването на правото им на собственост върху земята като немюсюлмани. След като възникнали финансовите проблеми на Омеядите, последните въвели Харадж <ref>[https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Харадж Харадж] -Уикипедия - (Руски език)</ref> - данък възху имуществото на новообърнатите в исляма. Популярното мнение за този налог е, че тази данъчна иновации довела до въстание в 747г. и падането на династията на Омеядите.}}<br />
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==Вижте също==<br />
* [[Статии на Български - Articles in Bulgarian|Статии на Български (Articles in Bulgarian)]]<br />
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'''Английски'''<br />
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== Външни препратки (Английски) == <br />
*[http://debate.org.uk/debate-topics/historical/the-jizyah-tax Данъкът Джизя: равенство и достойнство под ислямското право?]<br />
*[http://www.bharatvani.org/books/jihad/app2.htm Jizyah and the Zimmî]<br />
*[http://www.dhimmitude.org/archive/by_lecture_10oct2002.htm Dhimmitude Past and Present: An Invented or Real History?]'', by Bat Ye'or''<br />
*[http://www.outsidethewire.com/blog/media/payments-to-hamas-as-jizyah.html Плащания на Хамас като Джизя]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya Jizyah] '' - Уикипедия (Допълнителна информация съдържаща някои препратки по хадисите)''<br />
*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/004-jizya.htm Ислямът: Изискването други религии да плащат] ''- TheReligionofPeace.com''<br />
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*[http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=166 Относно Джизя на немюсюлманските граждани]'' - Understanding-Islam.com''<br />
*[http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544994 Джизя и немюсюлманските малцинства] ''- Fatwa Bank at IslamOnline.net''<br />
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<div>The [[Pact of Umar]] (العهدة العمرية, Al-'Uhda Al-'Umariyya) (637 AD) is an agreement between a subdued Christian population and the Muslim invaders lead by ''Umar Ibn Al-Khattab'', the second Rightly-guided [[Caliph]].<br />
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{{Quote|The Pact of Umar|In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that:<BR><BR><br />
*we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, <br />
*church, <br />
*or a sanctuary for a monk, <br />
*nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration <br />
*nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims. <br />
*We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night,<br />
*and we will open the doors [of our houses of worship] for the wayfarer and passerby. <br />
*Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days. <br />
*We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit [or betrayal] against Muslims. <br />
*We will not teach our children the Qur'an, <br />
*publicize practices of Shirk, <br />
*invite anyone to Shirk <br />
*or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so. <br />
*We will respect Muslims, <br />
*move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them. <br />
*We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names, <br />
*or ride on saddles, <br />
*hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons. <br />
*We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic, <br />
*or sell liquor. <br />
*We will have the front of our hair cut, <br />
*wear our customary clothes wherever we are, <br />
*wear belts around our waist, <br />
*refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches <br />
*and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets. <br />
*We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely, <br />
*or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, <br />
*nor raise our voices [with prayer] at our funerals, <br />
*or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets. <br />
*We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead, <br />
*or buy servants who were captured by Muslims. <br />
*We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.' <br />
*We will not beat any Muslim. <br />
<BR>These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.'<ref>[http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20986 Tafsir ibn Kathir - Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace]</ref>}}<br />
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Some secular scholars, and more recently, certain apologists, have doubted the authenticity of this document (as they also have with the [[hadith]] literature and the [[Qur'an]] itself), but what they do not doubt is that what is described within this document was actually practiced by the early Muslims. For example, the use of distinguishing marks is consistent with documentary and archaeological evidence from seventh and eighth century [[Iraq]] and [[Syria]].<ref>Robinson, Chase F. - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/brill/sho/2005/00000048/00000003/art00003|2=2012-05-14}} Neck-Sealing in early Islam] - (BRILL) Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient, Volume 48, Number 3, 2005 , pp. 401-441(41)</ref> <br />
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Regardless of what secular scholars say, this document is universally accepted as genuine by mainstream Muslims. This view is echoed by some of Islam's greatest scholars and historians, including al-Khallal (d. 923 AD), Ibn Hazm (d. 1063 AD), al-Tartushi (d. 1126 AD), Ibn Qudama (d. 1123 AD), Ibn Taymiyyah (d. 1138 AD), Ibn ‘Asakir (d. 1176 AD), Ibn al-Qayyim (d. 1350 AD), Ibn Kathir, al-Hindi and ‘Ali ‘Ajin. The eighth-century Hanafi jurist, Abu Yusuf, further noted that the terms in the Pact dealing with dhimmis are clearly in agreement with the Qur'an and hadith literature. Therefore, the Pact "stands till the day of resurrection."<br />
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==Wikipedia Article "Covenant of Umar I"==<br />
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The corresponding [[Wikipedia]] article "Covenant of Umar I" states "Some Palestinian Christians and Muslims see the document as having the force of law, even after more than thirteen centuries."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Covenant_of_Umar_I&oldid=368686081 Covenant of Umar I] - Wikipedia, June 29, 2010</ref> While this may at first seem impressive, one must consider the fact that the Christians of [[Palestine]] (unless mentioned to dispel the so-called myth of “all Arabs being Muslim”) are a forgotten minority, who regularly face [[Persecution_of_Non-Muslims#Palestinian_Authority_area|persecution and even death]]. There is little surprise they would support a humiliating pact which officially labels them as second-class citizens, for it spares their lives and the lives of their loved ones. It is a given that African-Americans were relieved when slavery was outlawed by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States' Constitution in 1865. This hardly makes the [[Jim Crow Laws]] any more acceptable. <br />
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*[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/1772-jewsinislam.html|2=2011-10-22}} Islam and the Jews: The Status of Jews and Christians in Muslim Lands, 1772 CE]<br />
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وكي اسلام هو موقع انترنت يركز على انتقاد الاسلام، مع المحافظة على حق الاسلاميين بالرد والكتابة في مقالات منفصلة. وكي اسلام يعمل على نفس البرنامج الذي يستخدمه وكيبيديا وغيرها من مواقع الانترنت المشابهة.<br />
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هدف وكي اسلام هو ان يصبح المصدر الادق والاشمل عن الاسلام. مصدر المعلومات هو القرآن الكريم، والحديث الشريف، وعلماء المسلمين. يتناول وكي اسلام المواضيع بطريقة عقلانية، ويركز بشكل كبير على الدعايات والجلبة الاعلامية، الصادق منها والكاذب، كما يركز على الاسلام والعلم، والاسلام وشبه العلم.<br />
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يهدف الموقع على ان يكون محايدا تجاه الاديان الاخرى، افكار العالم، والمواضيع السياسية، مثل الهجرة، وتنوع الحضارات، والصراع الفلسطيني الاسرائيلي، والبعد عن التطرف، والبعد عن العواطف والنظر الى الحقائق فقط.<br />
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على خلاف ما يدعي البعض،<ref name="Criticism"></ref> يحفز الموقع المحررين على نشر مواضيع غير مثيرة للجدل. المقالات المنشورة تركز بشكل كبير على معلومات منشورة في مصادر الاسلام الاولية والثانوية، مثل تراجم معتمدة للقرآن والسنة، وسيرة الرسل، ومقالات وفتاوى من اهم المواقع الاسلامية على الانترنت واكثرها شيوعا. <br />
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وكي اسلام موقع عالمي ومحرريه وكتابه من جميع انحاء العالم، والانظمة والمحتويات تدل على ذلك. على سبيل المثال، ننصح المحررين بشكل دوري على ان لا يختصوا منطقة من العالم على حساب الاخرى، وان التطورات التي لها علاقة بالاسلام في اسيا وافريقيا، هي باهمية تلك التي تحدث في اوروبا والامريكيتين. <br />
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==تاريخنا==<br />
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WikiIslam was created on October 27, 2005, in collaboration with various individuals from [[Faith Freedom International]] who provided the site with server space, technical help and exposure. The site remained in a testing phase for about a year and on September 4, 2006, it was opened to the public. <br />
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In September 2007, the server that hosted the site was hacked, and due to other server problems, editing was disabled at WikiIslam for almost a year.<br />
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In August 2008, the site was moved to a new server and since then it has been operating independently, remaining unaffiliated with or owned by any organization. Contrary to persistent claims propagated by apologists,<ref>For example, Sheila Musaji of [http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheamericanmuslim.org%2Ftam.php%2Ffeatures%2Farticles%2Fali_sina%2F&date=2014-01-26 TheAmericanMuslim], who has been contacted but refuses to correct the error, claims WikiIslam is "run" by "Ali Sina and Faith Freedom" and "only prints material which is negative towards Islam." Both claims are wrong. WikiIslam hosts many [[:Category:Pro-Islamic Content|pro-Islamic articles]] written by Muslim editors.</ref> WikiIslam is not owned by [[Ali Sina]], FFI, Robert Spencer, [[Jihad Watch]] or any other organization.<ref>Note that neither of these individuals or their websites are considered reliable sources at WikiIslam. According to [[WikiIslam:Reliable_Sources#Other_Sources_2|WikiIslam:Reliable Sources]], ''"Statements of fact concerning Islam from polemic sources such as books, articles or commentaries by individuals such as Robert Spencer, Pamela Gellar, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mark A. Gabriel, Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Walid Shoebat, Brigitte Gabriel etc. are not to be used under any circumstances as references on WikiIslam. If you come across any such statements, remove them immediately."''</ref><br />
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==Reception==<br />
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In December 2006, Göran Larsson presented a paper on WikiIslam at a conference in [[Sweden]]. At that point in time, the site was barely out of its infancy, only having been open to the public for three months, and Larsson was very critical. Today, with its new policies, new guidelines, thousands of more pages and the inclusion of pro-Islamic content aimed at presenting a positive image of Islam, WikiIslam remains the same only in name. But even back then in its primitive form, Larsson admitted that he could not label all the site "Islamophobic" in nature.<ref>Göran Larsson, [http://www.springerlink.com/content/p02g0g86387j4t62/ "Cyber-Islamophobia? The case of WikiIslam"], Contemporary Islam: Volume 1, Number 1, 53-67, DOI: 10.1007/s11562-007-0002-2</ref><br />
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Contrary to what is sometimes claimed,<ref name="Criticism"></ref> WikiIslam has not received any attention from news agencies such as the Associated Press (AP); however, its non-partisan approach to criticism has led to the site being linked to or referenced by various notable sites such as ''RichardDawkins.net''<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://richarddawkins.net/links?page=5|2=2012-02-07}} "About/ Links"], RichardDawkins.net, accessed February 7, 2012.</ref> and ''GreenProphet.com''.<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.greenprophet.com/2011/12/rain-prayers-sunny-friday/|title= Muslim President Calls for Rain Prayers on Sunny Friday|publisher= Green Prophet|author= Tafline Laylin|date= December 28, 2011|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.greenprophet.com/2011/12/rain-prayers-sunny-friday/&date=2012-02-07|deadurl=no}}</ref> It has also been cited by Prof. Dr. G. Hussein Rassool in his book, ''Cultural Competence in Caring for Muslim Patients'',<ref>{{cite web|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=r5nJAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT141&lpg=PT141&dq=Cultural+Competence+in+Caring+for+Muslim+Patients+wikiislam&source=bl&ots=oFOauH3oPg&sig=5Vtne1TY1qwgdldumOa-T9K6atU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UHENVIfmLY_lauWagZAO&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Cultural%20Competence%20in%20Caring%20for%20Muslim%20Patients%20wikiislam&f=false|title= Cultural Competence in Caring for Muslim Patients|publisher= Palgrave Macmillan|author= G. Hussein Rassool (Ed.)|date= April 25, 2014|isbn= 9781137358424|archiveurl= https://archive.today/AR6Nr|deadurl=no}}</ref> Dr. Heather Deegan in her book, ''Africa Today: Culture, Economics, Religion, Security'',<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.amazon.com/Africa-Today-Economics-Religion-Security/dp/0415418844/|title= Africa Today: Culture, Economics, Religion, Security|publisher= Routledge|author= Heather Deegan|date=December 26, 2008 |page= 100|isbn= 978-0415418843|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FAfrica-Today-Economics-Religion-Security%2Fdp%2F0415418844%2F&date=2013-07-20|deadurl=no}}</ref> Prof. Carlos Brebbia in his book, ''Disaster Management and Human Health Risk III: Reducing Risk, Improving Outcomes'',<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.amazon.com/Disaster-Management-Human-Health-Risk/dp/1845647386|title= Disaster Management and Human Health Risk III: Reducing Risk, Improving Outcomes|publisher= Wit Pr/Computational Mechanics|author= C. A. Brebbia|date= July 9, 2013|page= 366|isbn= 978-1845647384|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FDisaster-Management-Human-Health-Risk%2Fdp%2F1845647386&date=2013-07-25|deadurl=no}}</ref> and Dr. Stefan Kirchner in his paper published in the ''Baltic Journal of Law & Politics''.<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.degruyter.com/view/j/bjlp.2011.4.issue-1/v10076-011-0003-6/v10076-011-0003-6.xml|2=2013-07-20}} "Faith, Ethics and Religious Norms in a Globalized Environment: Freedom of Religion as a Challenge to the Regulation of Islamic Finance in Europe"]. Baltic Journal of Law & Politics. Volume 4, Issue 1, Pages 52–82, ISSN (Online) 2029-0454, ISSN (Print) , DOI: 10.2478/v10076-011-0003-6, August 2011.</ref><br />
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Due to the focus of the site, the most noticeable reactions from Muslims has been negative.<ref name="Criticism">For responses to various criticisms of WikiIslam, visit the ''[http://islamo-criticism.blogspot.com/p/criticism-of-wikiislam.html Criticism of WikiIslam]'' section of the ''[http://islamo-criticism.blogspot.com/ IslamoCriticism]'' blog.</ref> Some have called for the site to be taken offline through illegal means such as hacking,<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?398571|title= Muslims should DDOS anti muslim websites|publisher= Ummah Forum|author= |date= April 19, 2014|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ummah.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F398571&date=2014-04-24|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref>''"Someone needs to shut it down. any hackers out here?"'' - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?365182-Solving-the-Wiki-islam-problem|2=2013-05-24}} Solving the Wiki-islam problem], DamirK, Ummah Forum, May 24, 2013.</ref><ref>''"Its sad, Saudi have hackers who can hack and take down a lot of crap stuff on the internet but they never seem to notice what should be taken care of."'' - [http://lostinriyadh.blogspot.com/2012/03/for-my-readers-in-saudi-infact-for.html For my readers in Saudi, infact for anyone], LostInRiyadh.blogspot.com (comment by Dentographer, March 4, 2012)</ref> and it had previously been [[Websites Censored by Islamic Governments|banned]] in [[Saudi Arabia]] on the country's [[pornography]] blacklist, even though the site contains nothing of a pornographic nature.<ref>A screenshot can be viewed [[:File:Wikiislam com-aug-2011-ksa.png|here]]</ref> <br />
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Constant vandalism, death-threats, and non-compliance with guidelines by Muslim editors has lead to WikiIslam, like the German Wikipedia, implementing “[[WikiIslam:Pending Changes Protection|pending-changes protection]]”, meaning that editing still remains open to all, including IP users, but changes have to be approved before becoming visible to readers.<br />
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However, due to WikiIslam's extensive use of authoritative primary and secondary pro-Islamic sources, the site has also received praise from Muslims, e.g. for its [[Sex Segregation in Islam]]<ref>"''I usually wouldn't endorse a site like this, but in this case all of the sources were referenced in great detail.''" - [http://www.facebook.com/notes/abdul-malik-merchant/women-traveling-and-free-mixing-in-islam-/216934245018326 Women: Traveling and free-mixing in Islam …], Abdul-Malik Merchant, Student at Umm al-Qura University, Mecca, Saudi Arabia, July 13, 2011.</ref> and [[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]]<ref>"''In fact mockery is the main cause of executions ordered by our prophet (Sm)...i already told it to @RiasatKhan .. here is the link though its an anti islam site... but the historical facts / causes of execution mentioned there are reliable..look 4 Yellow colors, they were executed for mockery. Is this Musa Ibrahim scholar of Islam?? List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad - WikiIslam. Sorry for the anti islam site... i couldnt find any other site written in such short and organized way.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/233660-shahbagh-square-new-rise-65.html|2=2013-02-17}} SHAHBAGH SQUARE-A NEW RISE], Kobiraaz (an established Muslim member who joined in Oct 2010, and has been thanked 7867 times for 7,237 post), Pakistan Defence forum, February 17, 2013</ref> articles, and pages such as [[List of Fabricated Hadith]]<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://shehbaazmind.blogspot.com/2011/08/some-links-where-you-can-find-some-weak.html|2=2012-09-10}} "Some Links Where You Can Find Some Weak And Fabricated Hadeeths Exposed"], ShehbaazMind, August 17, 2011.</ref><ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://beliefinunseen.blogspot.com/2012/09/weak-and-fabricated-hadith.html|2=2012-09-10}} "Weak and fabricated hadith"], Belief In The Unseen, September 7, 2012.</ref> and [[Chronological Order of the Qur'an]]<ref>Dawud Israel, [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?107518-NOTES-from-Tafsir-Maariful-Qur-an-of-Mufti-Taqi-Shafi-Usmani|2=2013-06-01}} "NOTES from Tafsir Maariful Qur'an of Mufti Taqi/Shafi Usmani"], Sunni Forum, June 1, 2013.</ref> have been used by Muslims as a resource.<br />
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==Audience==<br />
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WikiIslam hosts {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles. On average, it currently receives over 250,000 visitors a month generating about 500,000 page views. As of September 2014, Alexa.com places it within the top 70,000 most visited websites.<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alexa.com%2Fsiteinfo%2Fwww.wikiislam.net&date=2014-09-03|title= Wikiislam.net|publisher= Alexa.com|author= |date= accessed October 19, 2013|archiveurl= |deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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Unlike many other sites critical of Islam, WikiIslam's audience is not "Eurocentric". A large percentage of its readers are from Eastern or Muslim-majority nations such as [[Pakistan]], [[Bangladesh]], [[India]], [[Malaysia]], [[Egypt]], [[United Arab Emirates]], and [[Singapore]].<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.wikiislam.net|2=2011-11-28}} "Wikiislam.net/ Audience"], Alexa.com, accessed November 28, 2011.</ref> Likewise, many of the site's administrators and editors are from a Muslim background or are skeptics from Muslim majority nations.<br />
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The site is currently [[WikiIslam:Join the Team#Ways_To_Help_Us|looking for editors]] to translate some of their English articles into Indonesian, Urdu, Bengali and [[Arabic]]. There are translations from English already available at the site in [[:Category:Other_Languages|several languages]], including [[Azərbaycanca Yazılar - Articles in Azerbaijani|Azerbaijani]], [[Les articles en francais - Articles in French|French]], [[:Category:Türkçe (Turkish)|Turkish]] and [[Ozbekcha maqolalar - Articles in Uzbek|Uzbek]]. A [[:ru:Заглавная страница|Russian]] sub-domain was started in early 2013 and they also host many [[Translations of Arabic/Islamic Media|press articles and fatwas]] from the Islamic world translated into English from the original Arabic.<br />
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==Wikipedia==<br />
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WikiIslam's primary focus is on the religion of Islam while Wikipedia is a compendium of general knowledge. These differing goals have led to different policies and guidelines. <br />
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Wikipedia discourages the use of primary and what they term as "non-notable/reliable" sources. WikiIslam, on the other hand, encourages the use of authentic primary religious text and the rulings of authoritative Muslim scholars who may not be notable to people outside of the Muslim world but who are giants from within.<br />
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Wikipedia focuses on "verifiability, not truth".<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability,_not_truth|2=2012-02-10}} "Verifiability, not truth"], Wikipedia, accessed February 10, 2012.</ref> In regards to Islam, it has meant they accept what "notable/reliable" western commentators say about its religious text and Muslims over what the religious text and Muslims actually say themselves. Conversely, WikiIslam accepts what the religious text and Muslims say over the opinions and interpretations of third-party western commentators.<br />
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*[[WikiIslam:Frequently Asked Questions|Frequently Asked Questions]]<br />
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To contact WikiIslam with general ideas and suggestions, a [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Forum/Visitor_Inquiries&action=edit&section=new message can be left] on the relevant forum page. For copyright issues, click [[WikiIslam:Copyright Issues|here]]. And for other important issues, click [[WikiIslam:Contact Us|here]].<br />
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'''WikiIslam''' je suradnički uređivano [[web stranice|mrežno sjedište]] usredotočeno na kritiku [[Islam]]a. Istovremeno dozvoljava i objavu [[:Category:Proislamski sadržaj|proislamskih odgovora]] u zasebnim člancima. Pogonjeno je istom programskom podrškom (softverom) kao i [[Wikipedija]] i druge slične mrežne stranice.<br />
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==O WikiIslamu==<br />
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Cilj ovih stanica je postati najopsežniji i najpouzdaniji izvor informacija o Islamu. Dotične informacije temeljene su prvenstveno na vrelima samog Islama, <br />
WikiIslam's goal is to become the most comprehensive and accurate source of information on Islam. This information is based primarily on its own sources, the [[Qur'an]], [[hadith]] and Islamic scholars. It takes a rational approach in its handling of Islam and is notable for dealing extensively with [[Islam and Propaganda|false propaganda]] and [[Islam and Science|Islamic pseudoscience]].<br />
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The site aims to remain neutral towards other religions, world views, and issues of a political nature, such as immigration, multiculturalism, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and also to stay away from extremist, sensationalist or emotional commentary by simply letting the facts speak for themselves.<br />
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Contrary to what is sometimes claimed,<ref name="Criticism"></ref> the site [[WikiIslam:Reliable Sources#Sources to Avoid|exhorts editors]] to use non-polemic and scholarly secondary sources, and to attribute statements wherever possible. It makes copious use of authoritative primary and secondary pro-Islamic sources, such as the [[Compendium of Muslim Texts]], [[Sirat Rasul Allah|sirah]] literature and [[fatwa]]s from some of the most popular mainstream Islamic sites on the net.<br />
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It is an international site with editors and contributors from all over the world, and the policies and content reflect this. For example, editors are advised that no region should be given priority over another, and developments concerning Islam in [[Asia]] or [[Africa]] are as important as developments in [[Europe]] or the [[Americas]].<br />
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==History==<br />
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WikiIslam was created on October 27, 2005, in collaboration with various individuals from [[Faith Freedom International]] who provided the site with server space, technical help and exposure. The site remained in a testing phase for about a year and on September 4, 2006, it was opened to the public. <br />
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In September 2007, the server that hosted the site was hacked, and due to other server problems, editing was disabled at WikiIslam for almost a year.<br />
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In August 2008, the site was moved to a new server and since then it has been operating independently, remaining unaffiliated with or owned by any organization. Contrary to persistent claims propagated by apologists,<ref>For example, Sheila Musaji of [http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheamericanmuslim.org%2Ftam.php%2Ffeatures%2Farticles%2Fali_sina%2F&date=2014-01-26 TheAmericanMuslim], who has been contacted but refuses to correct the error, claims WikiIslam is "run" by "Ali Sina and Faith Freedom" and "only prints material which is negative towards Islam." Both claims are wrong. WikiIslam hosts many [[:Category:Pro-Islamic Content|pro-Islamic articles]] written by Muslim editors.</ref> WikiIslam is not owned by [[Ali Sina]], FFI, Robert Spencer, [[Jihad Watch]] or any other organization.<ref>Note that neither of these individuals or their websites are considered reliable sources at WikiIslam. According to [[WikiIslam:Reliable_Sources#Other_Sources_2|WikiIslam:Reliable Sources]], ''"Statements of fact concerning Islam from polemic sources such as books, articles or commentaries by individuals such as Robert Spencer, Pamela Gellar, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mark A. Gabriel, Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Walid Shoebat, Brigitte Gabriel etc. are not to be used under any circumstances as references on WikiIslam. If you come across any such statements, remove them immediately."''</ref><br />
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==Reception==<br />
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In December 2006, Göran Larsson presented a paper on WikiIslam at a conference in [[Sweden]]. At that point in time, the site was barely out of its infancy, only having been open to the public for three months, and Larsson was very critical. Today, with its new policies, new guidelines, thousands of more pages and the inclusion of pro-Islamic content aimed at presenting a positive image of Islam, WikiIslam remains the same only in name. But even back then in its primitive form, Larsson admitted that he could not label all the site "Islamophobic" in nature.<ref>Göran Larsson, [http://www.springerlink.com/content/p02g0g86387j4t62/ "Cyber-Islamophobia? The case of WikiIslam"], Contemporary Islam: Volume 1, Number 1, 53-67, DOI: 10.1007/s11562-007-0002-2</ref><br />
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Contrary to what is sometimes claimed,<ref name="Criticism"></ref> WikiIslam has not received any attention from news agencies such as the Associated Press (AP); however, its non-partisan approach to criticism has led to the site being linked to or referenced by various notable sites such as ''RichardDawkins.net''<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://richarddawkins.net/links?page=5|2=2012-02-07}} "About/ Links"], RichardDawkins.net, accessed February 7, 2012.</ref> and ''GreenProphet.com''.<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.greenprophet.com/2011/12/rain-prayers-sunny-friday/|title= Muslim President Calls for Rain Prayers on Sunny Friday|publisher= Green Prophet|author= Tafline Laylin|date= December 28, 2011|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.greenprophet.com/2011/12/rain-prayers-sunny-friday/&date=2012-02-07|deadurl=no}}</ref> It has also been cited by Prof. Dr. G. Hussein Rassool in his book, ''Cultural Competence in Caring for Muslim Patients'',<ref>{{cite web|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=r5nJAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT141&lpg=PT141&dq=Cultural+Competence+in+Caring+for+Muslim+Patients+wikiislam&source=bl&ots=oFOauH3oPg&sig=5Vtne1TY1qwgdldumOa-T9K6atU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UHENVIfmLY_lauWagZAO&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Cultural%20Competence%20in%20Caring%20for%20Muslim%20Patients%20wikiislam&f=false|title= Cultural Competence in Caring for Muslim Patients|publisher= Palgrave Macmillan|author= G. Hussein Rassool (Ed.)|date= April 25, 2014|isbn= 9781137358424|archiveurl= https://archive.today/AR6Nr|deadurl=no}}</ref> Dr. Heather Deegan in her book, ''Africa Today: Culture, Economics, Religion, Security'',<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.amazon.com/Africa-Today-Economics-Religion-Security/dp/0415418844/|title= Africa Today: Culture, Economics, Religion, Security|publisher= Routledge|author= Heather Deegan|date=December 26, 2008 |page= 100|isbn= 978-0415418843|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FAfrica-Today-Economics-Religion-Security%2Fdp%2F0415418844%2F&date=2013-07-20|deadurl=no}}</ref> Prof. Carlos Brebbia in his book, ''Disaster Management and Human Health Risk III: Reducing Risk, Improving Outcomes'',<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.amazon.com/Disaster-Management-Human-Health-Risk/dp/1845647386|title= Disaster Management and Human Health Risk III: Reducing Risk, Improving Outcomes|publisher= Wit Pr/Computational Mechanics|author= C. A. Brebbia|date= July 9, 2013|page= 366|isbn= 978-1845647384|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FDisaster-Management-Human-Health-Risk%2Fdp%2F1845647386&date=2013-07-25|deadurl=no}}</ref> and Dr. Stefan Kirchner in his paper published in the ''Baltic Journal of Law & Politics''.<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.degruyter.com/view/j/bjlp.2011.4.issue-1/v10076-011-0003-6/v10076-011-0003-6.xml|2=2013-07-20}} "Faith, Ethics and Religious Norms in a Globalized Environment: Freedom of Religion as a Challenge to the Regulation of Islamic Finance in Europe"]. Baltic Journal of Law & Politics. Volume 4, Issue 1, Pages 52–82, ISSN (Online) 2029-0454, ISSN (Print) , DOI: 10.2478/v10076-011-0003-6, August 2011.</ref><br />
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===Muslims===<br />
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Due to the focus of the site, the most noticeable reactions from Muslims has been negative.<ref name="Criticism">For responses to various criticisms of WikiIslam, visit the ''[http://islamo-criticism.blogspot.com/p/criticism-of-wikiislam.html Criticism of WikiIslam]'' section of the ''[http://islamo-criticism.blogspot.com/ IslamoCriticism]'' blog.</ref> Some have called for the site to be taken offline through illegal means such as hacking,<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?398571|title= Muslims should DDOS anti muslim websites|publisher= Ummah Forum|author= |date= April 19, 2014|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ummah.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F398571&date=2014-04-24|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref>''"Someone needs to shut it down. any hackers out here?"'' - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?365182-Solving-the-Wiki-islam-problem|2=2013-05-24}} Solving the Wiki-islam problem], DamirK, Ummah Forum, May 24, 2013.</ref><ref>''"Its sad, Saudi have hackers who can hack and take down a lot of crap stuff on the internet but they never seem to notice what should be taken care of."'' - [http://lostinriyadh.blogspot.com/2012/03/for-my-readers-in-saudi-infact-for.html For my readers in Saudi, infact for anyone], LostInRiyadh.blogspot.com (comment by Dentographer, March 4, 2012)</ref> and it had previously been [[Websites Censored by Islamic Governments|banned]] in [[Saudi Arabia]] on the country's [[pornography]] blacklist, even though the site contains nothing of a pornographic nature.<ref>A screenshot can be viewed [[:File:Wikiislam com-aug-2011-ksa.png|here]]</ref> <br />
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Constant vandalism, death-threats, and non-compliance with guidelines by Muslim editors has lead to WikiIslam, like the German Wikipedia, implementing “[[WikiIslam:Pending Changes Protection|pending-changes protection]]”, meaning that editing still remains open to all, including IP users, but changes have to be approved before becoming visible to readers.<br />
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However, due to WikiIslam's extensive use of authoritative primary and secondary pro-Islamic sources, the site has also received praise from Muslims, e.g. for its [[Sex Segregation in Islam]]<ref>"''I usually wouldn't endorse a site like this, but in this case all of the sources were referenced in great detail.''" - [http://www.facebook.com/notes/abdul-malik-merchant/women-traveling-and-free-mixing-in-islam-/216934245018326 Women: Traveling and free-mixing in Islam …], Abdul-Malik Merchant, Student at Umm al-Qura University, Mecca, Saudi Arabia, July 13, 2011.</ref> and [[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]]<ref>"''In fact mockery is the main cause of executions ordered by our prophet (Sm)...i already told it to @RiasatKhan .. here is the link though its an anti islam site... but the historical facts / causes of execution mentioned there are reliable..look 4 Yellow colors, they were executed for mockery. Is this Musa Ibrahim scholar of Islam?? List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad - WikiIslam. Sorry for the anti islam site... i couldnt find any other site written in such short and organized way.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/233660-shahbagh-square-new-rise-65.html|2=2013-02-17}} SHAHBAGH SQUARE-A NEW RISE], Kobiraaz (an established Muslim member who joined in Oct 2010, and has been thanked 7867 times for 7,237 post), Pakistan Defence forum, February 17, 2013</ref> articles, and pages such as [[List of Fabricated Hadith]]<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://shehbaazmind.blogspot.com/2011/08/some-links-where-you-can-find-some-weak.html|2=2012-09-10}} "Some Links Where You Can Find Some Weak And Fabricated Hadeeths Exposed"], ShehbaazMind, August 17, 2011.</ref><ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://beliefinunseen.blogspot.com/2012/09/weak-and-fabricated-hadith.html|2=2012-09-10}} "Weak and fabricated hadith"], Belief In The Unseen, September 7, 2012.</ref> and [[Chronological Order of the Qur'an]]<ref>Dawud Israel, [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?107518-NOTES-from-Tafsir-Maariful-Qur-an-of-Mufti-Taqi-Shafi-Usmani|2=2013-06-01}} "NOTES from Tafsir Maariful Qur'an of Mufti Taqi/Shafi Usmani"], Sunni Forum, June 1, 2013.</ref> have been used by Muslims as a resource.<br />
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==Audience==<br />
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WikiIslam hosts {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles. On average, it currently receives over 250,000 visitors a month generating about 500,000 page views. As of September 2014, Alexa.com places it within the top 70,000 most visited websites.<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alexa.com%2Fsiteinfo%2Fwww.wikiislam.net&date=2014-09-03|title= Wikiislam.net|publisher= Alexa.com|author= |date= accessed October 19, 2013|archiveurl= |deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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Unlike many other sites critical of Islam, WikiIslam's audience is not "Eurocentric". A large percentage of its readers are from Eastern or Muslim-majority nations such as [[Pakistan]], [[Bangladesh]], [[India]], [[Malaysia]], [[Egypt]], [[United Arab Emirates]], and [[Singapore]].<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.wikiislam.net|2=2011-11-28}} "Wikiislam.net/ Audience"], Alexa.com, accessed November 28, 2011.</ref> Likewise, many of the site's administrators and editors are from a Muslim background or are skeptics from Muslim majority nations.<br />
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The site is currently [[WikiIslam:Join the Team#Ways_To_Help_Us|looking for editors]] to translate some of their English articles into Indonesian, Urdu, Bengali and [[Arabic]]. There are translations from English already available at the site in [[:Category:Other_Languages|several languages]], including [[Azərbaycanca Yazılar - Articles in Azerbaijani|Azerbaijani]], [[Les articles en francais - Articles in French|French]], [[:Category:Türkçe (Turkish)|Turkish]] and [[Ozbekcha maqolalar - Articles in Uzbek|Uzbek]]. A [[:ru:Заглавная страница|Russian]] sub-domain was started in early 2013 and they also host many [[Translations of Arabic/Islamic Media|press articles and fatwas]] from the Islamic world translated into English from the original Arabic.<br />
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==Wikipedija==<br />
U žarištu zanimanja WikiIslama je Islam kao religija. S druge strane, Wikipedija je zbirka općeg znanja o svim područjima ljudskog zanimanja. Ove razlike u ciljevima uvjetovale su različite smjernice i pravila uređivanja na spomenutim projektima. <br />
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Wikipedija odvraća suradnike od korištenja primarnih izvora i izvora koje označe nedovoljno "poznatima" i/ili "pouzdanima". WikiIslam, naprotiv, potiče suradnike na korištenje vjerodostojnih primarnih religijskih tekstova i naučavanja muslimanskih vjerskih autoriteta, koji mogu ne biti poznati ljudima izvan islamskog kulturnog kruga, ali su velikani unutar tog svijeta. <br />
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Wikipedija nije usredotočena na istinu, nego na podkrijepljenost<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability,_not_truth|2=2012-02-10}} "Verifiability, not truth"], Wikipedia, accessed February 10, 2012.</ref>. Što se tiče Islama, to znači da prihvaćaju ono što "poznati/pouzdani" zapadnjački izvori kažu o religijskim tekstovima Islama i muslimanima i daju im prednost pred onim što sami religijski tekstovi Islama i muslimani kažu o sebi. Nadalje, nasuprot tome, WikiIslam uvažava i ono što muslimani i islamski religijski tekstovi poručuju o mišljenjima i obrazloženjima zapadnjačkih autora.<br />
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==Vidi još==<br />
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*[[WikiIslam:Učestala pitanja|Učestala pitanja]]<br />
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==Kontakt==<br />
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Kontaktirati WikiIslam u vezi općenitih ideja i prijedloga moguće je [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Forum/Visitor_Inquiries&action=edit&section=new ostavljanjem poruke] na stranici namjenjenoj za raspravu. Za pitanja zaštite autorskih prava kliknite [[WikiIslam:Copyright Issues|ovdje]]. A za ostale važne upite kliknite [[WikiIslam:Contact Us|ovdje]].<br />
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'''Jizyah''' or '''jizya''' (جزْي) is the extra tax imposed on non-Muslims ([[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Dhimmitude|Dhimmis]]) who live under Muslim rule according to the [[Qur'an]] and [[hadith]]:<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|9|29}}|Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.}}<br />
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{{Quote|Khalid bin Al-Waheed (Muslim General, 632AD)|"I call you to God and to Islam. If you respond to the call, then you are Muslims: You obtain the benefits they enjoy and take up the responsibilities they bear. If you refuse, then you must pay the jizyah. If you refuse the jizyah, I will bring against you tribes of people who are more eager for death than you are for life. We will then fight you until God decides between us and you." (Al Tabari, Volume XI)}}<br />
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{{Quote|Umar ibn al-Khattab during the conquest of al-Basrah (636 CE)|Summon the people to God; those who respond to your call, accept it from them, but those who refuse must pay the poll tax out of humiliation and lowliness. If they refuse this, it is the sword without leniency. Fear God with regard to what you have been entrusted. (Al Tabari, Volume XII)}}<br />
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Additional quotes can be found at [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Jizyah]].<br />
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Once a land is conquered by Islamic armies the ruler can impose a taxation on those non-Muslims who will not convert to [[Islam]]. <br />
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Jizyah is paid as a sign of submission and gives Dhimmis some legal protection in return. Under dhimmitude (the status that [[Islamic law]], the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims) Dhimmis usually are not allowed to carry arms to protect themselves, serve in the army or government, display symbols of their faith, build or repair places of worship etc. If the conquered do not wish to pay or convert, their fate may very well be slavery (under which, [[rape]] is permitted) or (as evidenced in the quotes above) death. <br />
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The amount of the Jizyah tax and the way it was collected varied from time to time and from place to place, but when imposed, the forced payment of Jizyah greatly stimulated the conversion of non-Muslims into Islam.<ref>[http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article?tocId=9368576 Jizya] - Encyclopedia Britannica</ref> In some cases the taxation of the non-Muslims was so profitable that the Islamic rulers prohibited their subjects from converting to Islam, lest they should lose their income.<br />
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==Context==<br />
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To be fair to history; Jizyah was not entirely an Islamic initiative or the innovation of its prophet [[Muhammad]], (Emphasis on the word “entirely”). A certain form of Jizyah had existed among the tribes of Northern Arabia in pre-Islamic times. This fact is attested by the famous historian Philip. K. Hitti in his ''History of Arabs''. ''Ghazw'' (غزو) or raiding others for feeding mouths was an accepted norm among the Bedouin tribes of that time. As ''Hitti'' noted, "Ghazw was a manly occupation of Bedouins where fighting mood was a chronic mental condition". For people among the tribes, everything that belonged to the other tribes guaranteeing material gain made a legitimate target. The context made it necessary for a weaker tribe or a sedentary settlement on the borderland to buy protection from the stronger tribe by paying what it then called ''Khuwwah'' which later became Jizyah in Muhammad’s Islam. Along with the booty acquired through raids and wars, Jizyah turned out to be a good source of income for believers when they were constantly occupied in spreading the newly founded religion by means of violence. To sum up, by imposing Jizyah on subjugated unbelievers Muhammad was reinstating an undivine tribal norm into his religion, thus broadening an abject backward practice.<br />
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==A Sign of Kufr and Disgrace==<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20986 Paying Jizyah is a Sign of Kufr and Disgrace]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|2=Allah said, (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said, "Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley." This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace.}}<br />
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==Approval from Islamic Scholars==<br />
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{{Quote|Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid|The Muslims do not fight anyone until they have told them about the religion of Allaah and given them the choice between two things, either accepting Islam or, if they refuse Islam and keep their own religions, paying the Jizyah (tax) to the Muslims in return for protection. If they refuse both of these choices, then they are to be fought.|}}<br />
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{{Quote|Ahkaam al-Sijn wa’l-Sujana’ wa Mu’aamalat al-Sujana’ fi’l-Islam by Hasan Abi’l-Ghuddah, 256|If some people persist in rejecting the religion of Allaah and stand in the way of ruling by that which Allaah has revealed on earth, or they fight against the call to Allaah, then we give them the choice of three things: Either they become Muslim; or if they refuse they pay the jizyah (whereby they pay a specified amount to the Muslims in return for being allowed to remain their land, and the Muslims undertake to protect them); or, if they refuse that, there is nothing left but the way which they themselves have chosen, which is fighting and dealing violently with those who have persecuted the Muslims and put obstacles in the path of the Islamic da’wah. In this way the Muslims will gain the upper hand and the enemies will be humiliated; then when we have killed and wounded many of them and gained the upper hand over them, we may take prisoners and bind a bond firmly on them.|}}<br />
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Saudi Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-'Arifi, Imam of the mosque of King Fahd Defense Academy, discussed the coming Muslim conquest of the Vatican. Citing a Hadith in an article posted on the Kalemat website in 2002, he stated:<br />
{{Quote|Saudi Sheikh Muhammad bin Abd Al-Rahman Al-'Arifi|"… We will control the land of the Vatican; we will control Rome and introduce Islam in it. Yes, the Christians, who carve crosses on the breasts of the Muslims … will yet pay us the Jiziya [poll tax paid by non-Muslims under Muslim rule], in humiliation, or they will convert to Islam…"<ref>[http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17710 The Next Pope and Islamic Prophecy] frontpagemag.com</ref>}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/MILESTONES.pdf Milestones (Ma'alim 'ala Al-Tariq) p.73]<BR>Sayyid Qutb|"It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries to continue the lordship of some men over others and does not extend its message and its declaration of universal freedom within their domain. But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by Jizyah..."}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/9/index.html#sdfootnote29sym Commentary on Qur'an Chapter 9:29]<BR>Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, Tafhim al-Qur'an|2=This is the aim of Jihad with the Jews and the Christians and it is not to force them to become Muslims and adopt the `Islamic Way of Life.' They should be forced to pay Jizyah in order to put an end to their independence and supremacy so that they should not remain rulers and sovereigns in the land. These powers should be wrested from them by the followers of the true Faith, who should assume the sovereignty and lead others towards the Right Way, while they should become their subjects and pay jizyah...<br />
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[The Islamic State] cannot allow that they should remain supreme rulers in any place and establish wrong ways and impose them on others. As this state of things inevitably produces chaos and disorder, it is the duty of the true Muslims to exert their utmost to bring to an end their wicked rule and bring them under a righteous order. <br />
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As regards the question, "What do the non-Muslims get in return for Jizyah?" it may suffice to say that it is the price of the freedom which the Islamic State allows them in following their erroneous ways, while living in the jurisdiction of Islam and enjoying its protection. The money thus collected is spent in maintaining the righteous administration that gives them the freedom and protects their rights. This also serves as a yearly reminder to them that they have been deprived of the honor of paying Zakat in the Way of Allah, and forced to pay jizyah instead as a price of following the ways of error.}}<br />
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==Jizyah in History==<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://web.archive.org/web/20050625084731/http://www.turkishweekly.net/articles.php?id=68 The Historical Roots of Islamic Militancy in Pakistan and current scenario: Amicus]<BR>Mohammed Yousuf, Journal of Turkish Weekly, May 19, 2005|2=Not only Alamgir compiled Fatawa-u-Alamgiri, he re-imposed jizya (a tax on non-Muslims for protection under Muslim rule) that had been suspended by Akbar, destroyed some unauthorized temples and checked proselytizing activities of the Hindus.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.himalmag.com/apr2001/commentary.html Idolatry and the Taliban]|Once Muhammad Bin Qasim had established himself in Sindh he sent a letter to the Muslim Caliph in Damascus, seeking instruction as to how he should deal with the Hindus and Buddhists of the conquered area. The reply came that they be treated in accordance with the Quranic commandments relating to the People of the Book (Ahl-i-Kitab), the Jews and the Christians. Accordingly, the Buddhists and the Hindus of Sindh were to be given full freedom to practise their faiths, and their lives and property, including temples, were to be protected. In return, they were to pay a tax, the jizya. The old, the sick, children and priests were to be exempted from the tax. The non-Muslims were not obliged to perform military service, unlike the Muslims. Following these dictates, Muhammad Bin Qasim thus set a precedent which several other Muslim rulers after him followed.}}<br />
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==Jizyah in the Modern World==<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio.jsp?id=44202&eng=y The Mayor of Bethlehem is Christian, but It’s Hamas That’s in Charge]<BR>Sandro Magister, Chiesa News, December 29, 2005|2=The general plan of Hamas also includes the imposition of a special tax, called al-jeziya, upon all of the non-Muslim residents in the Palestinian territories. This tax revives the one applied through all of Islamic history to the dhimmi, the second-class Jewish and Christian citizens.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270377,00.html Christians Fleeing Violence in Iraq]<BR>The Associated Press, Fox News, May 07, 2007|In the recent violence, residents of the Baghdad neighborhood of Dora said gunmen knocked on the doors of Christian families, demanding they either pay jizya — a special tax traditionally levied on non-Muslims — or leave. The jizya has not been imposed in Muslim nations in about 100 years.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15903&size=A Hindus and Sikhs threatened by the Taliban and Sharia]<BR>Fareed Khan, Asia News, July 28, 2009|2= The Taliban in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) have issued an ultimatum against local Hindus and Sikhs: either you pay “jizya”, an Islamic poll tax for religious minorities that is akin to protection money, or you leave. Many (more than 400)Hindu and Sikh families have already left for Peshawar and neighbouring provinces. <br />
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Threats against Sikhs and Hindus are but the latest in a series of warnings against religious minorities in the NWFP, including Christians who have had to pay jizya and submit to Sharia.<br />
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“We were living under fear: fear of the Taliban, fear of Lashkar-e-Islam and fear of other armed groups,” a Sikh man told the Daily Times}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.ptinews.com/news/251505_Eight-Christians-kidnapped-in-Pakistan 2009 - Eight Christians kidnapped in Pakistan, Jizya May be Behind Abductions]|2= Eight members of the minority Christian community have been kidnapped in Pakistan's troubled Waziristan tribal region, reports said today.<br />
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Militants and criminals in Pakistan's lawless tribal belt have targeted minorities like Hindus, Sikhs and Christians. There have been several instances of members of minority communities being abducted for ransom or forced to pay 'jiziya', a tax levied on non-Muslims.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2009/s09070148.htm Christian Shot Eight Times for Refusing to Pay Protection Money]<BR>Jeremy Reynalds, ASSIST News Service, July 22, 2009|2= A human rights organization has learned that a Christian businessman was shot eight times in the legs while driving through Lahore, Pakistan after refusing to pay protection money to a Muslim.<BR><BR><br />
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Mobeena, [the Christians sister], told ICC, “Suqlain is still free and hanging around. The government has done nothing to help us, even though my brother is a prominent businessman. We feel insecure, our children are too scared to go out anymore - please help us, we need justice.”}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://en.aswataliraq.info/?p=124202 1960 Christians killed in Iraq since 2003 – survey]<BR>Aswat al-Iraq, December 26, 2009|2=According to the [Chaldean Cultural Association for Peace in Iraq] association’s survey, property of at least 500,000 Christians were taken away and 200,000 Christians were forced to pay extortion money, while dozens others were kidnapped then released for ransom.<br />
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“Before 2003, there were around 2.1 million Christians in Iraq, but now there are not more than 500,000 of them,” Masho said.<br />
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He criticized the Iraqi government for being unable to protect Christians, and said that it did not even fulfill its promises to compensate them.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.uriasposten.net/archives/34912|2=2012-03-16}} On the other side of the fence]<BR>Nicolai Sennels (Translator), Weekendavisen (Danish daily, not online), March 1, 2012|2=This past year there have been several disturbing incidents in the neighborhood of outer Nørrebro. In October, a refugee from Africa had his door kicked in several times and was threatened by a group of youths who accused him of being both black and Christian. <BR><BR>He was given a deadline of less than a week to pay them 10,000 kroner (1,800 USD) if he wanted to live in the area. Police told him that they could no longer guarantee his safety in Mjølnerparken [Muslim ghetto in Copenhagen, Denmark]. When Lejerbo (the company renting out apartments in the area) found him, he was crying and had slept on the street.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.onenewsnow.com/Missions/Default.aspx?id=1581314|2=2012-04-22}} Syrian Christian targeted in Syria]<BR>MNN, April 19, 2012|2=Refugees who have fled to Jordan from Syria are telling mission leaders supported by Christian Aid Mission about deliberate, new persecution from the "Arab Spring" insurgents who are seeking to overthrow the brutal Assad regime in Damascus.<BR>. . .<BR><br />
"It is over; we can't get back what we lost," said one discouraged Christian refugee here in Jordan. "It will never be the same anymore for me or my family. We've lost hope." He said he had to flee with his family at night, because anti-Christian persecution in Syria is becoming a steadily growing reality. <br />
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"I had my own business. I ran a supermarket, and we were financially stable. Unfortunately, that's not the case anymore. Our dreams vanished when a group of terrorists threatened to kill my family, burn our house, and set fire to the supermarket if I didn't pay them $7,000. <br />
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"I paid the amount, hoping that they would leave us alone, but they did not. Instead, they kidnapped me for a whole week. They only let me go on one condition: that each month I would pay them the same amount. <br />
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"What do you think I could do? I fled. I packed our stuff, taking only the basics. I took my family and came to Jordan. My son, Omar, has one year left to finish his bachelor's degree, but now his dreams have vanished as well. I used to be a business owner...but now I am a laborer who can hardly provide the day-to-day basics for my family."}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.fides.org/aree/news/newsdet.php?idnews=32122&lan=eng<!-- http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fides.org%2Faree%2Fnews%2Fnewsdet.php%3Fidnews%3D32122%26lan%3Deng&date=2012-09-06 --> ASIA/PAKISTAN - Attack in the Christian area: one victim and two injured in Karachi]<BR>Agenzia Fides, August 31, 2012|2=In Essa Nagri Christians are harassed by criminal gangs and Islamic terrorist groups of ethnic Pashtuns: armed to the teeth, the militants enter the area to collect the "Jizya" (the tax imposed, according to the sharia, on the non-Muslim minorities), and extort money from the Christian merchants. MASS activists have been denouncing for a long time continuous robberies, violence and abuses committed under the cover of some Police officials. Militants raid houses, steal and abuse women and children for fun.}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://tribune.com.pk/story/446972/militancy-when-hundreds-of-sikhs-lost-their-homes-in-orakzai/|2=2012-10-07}} Militancy: When hundreds of Sikhs lost their homes in Orakzai]<BR>Umer Farooq, The Express Tribune, October 5, 2012|2=Around 69 families, approximately 500 Sikhs, were residing in Feroz Khail area of the agency. Most of them earned their living from cultivating crops and a few others from small makeshifts at a market, which were barely sufficient to make both ends meet.<br />
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Kalyan himself was picked up by militants and offered three options: To embrace Islam, to become part of their jihad or to pay a sum of Rs500 million.<br />
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“I could not even consider the first two options. I was released when residents intervened and the Sikh community paid Rs6.5 million as Jizya (protection money for non-Muslims),” Kalyan said.<br />
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Residents left the area within half an hour of the warning, leaving most of their valuables behind.}}<br />
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===Disguised Jizyah===<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://www.laqueur.net/print.php?r=2&rr=2&id=31 A Dire Continental Drift: While Europe Slept by Bruce Bave]<BR>Walter Laqueur, Wall Street Journal, February 18, 2006|2=In Denmark, Muslims make up 5% of the population but receive 40% of social-welfare outlays. Their preachers have told them, Mr. Bawer reports, that only a fool would not take maximum advantage of the bounty that Western Europe offers and that it is perfectly legitimate to cheat and lie. The benefits they receive are a kind of jizya, the tribute that infidels in Muslim-occupied countries have to pay to preserve their lives. (The subsidized-radical situation in Britain and Germany is not much different: The four suicide bombers in London last year had raked in close to a million dollars in social benefits before going on their murderous mission.)}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/3834.htm|2=2013-05-28}} Libyan Writer Mojahed Busify: Some European Muslims Collect Social Welfare, Claiming It Is Jizya]<BR>MEMRI, Clip No. 3834, April 19, 2013|2=Mojahed Bosify: Sixty percent of the Muslims in the Netherlands live off social security.<br />
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Interviewer: They are unemployed...<br />
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Mojahed Bosify: Many of them consider this to be the jizya poll tax, on the basis of official fatwas.<br />
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Interviewer: They consider social security to be the jizya?<br />
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Mojahed Bosify: When they go to the ATM or the bank teller, and say: "Convert to Islam or pay the jizya."<BR>. . .<BR><br />
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Interviewer: And the teller has no idea...<br />
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Mojahed Bosify: No, he just says: "Here is your money," and that's the end of it. Today, fewer people behave this way, but some still do.}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016325.php Hugh Fitzgerald, Dhimmiwatch]|The Jizyah has "not been imposed" since European pressure and power has been brought to bear. But non-Muslims have been subject to a disguised Jizyah. Despite the supposed reforms that were to bring complete legal equality to non-Muslims in Turkey, in World War II the Varlik Vergesi was a large tax imposed by the government on non-Muslim citizens, who despite Kemalism, or perhaps because of it, have never been considered "Turks" equal to Muslim "Turks." <br />
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In Malaysia the non-Muslims have been subject to the disguised Jizyah of the Bumiputra system, which favors economically the Muslims, and essentially involves a transfer of wealth from the more industrious and entrepreneurial non-Muslims (Chinese and Hindus) to Muslims (Malays, but not the members of the indigenous tribes, which were christianized, or remained pagan -- and only now are being islamized through intense pressure and Da'wa campaigns). <br />
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Elsewhere, as in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Hindus and Christians live in a state of permanet physical danger, and that danger also is one of losing their property to Muslim looters and marauders who cannot be sued or brought to justice on the say-so of a non-Muslim. The Jews of the Arab world fled -- nearly one million of them -- leaving their property, which was the last transfer of wealth. In Egypt, under Nasser, the property of most Jews and the Levantine Christains -- Greeks, Italians, and others -- were "nationalized" as Nasser put it. But this was nothing more than the seizure of Infidel property by Muslim governments. Copts in Egypt do not pay a direct Jizyah. But there are other ways to force local Christians, constantly fearful for their own well-being, to have them pay off, or take as local partners, Muslims who may protect them. There is no security for the property of non-Muslims in Muslim lands, and there are various ways in which the "protection money" that is the Jizyah is paid, often in indirect, informal, and disguised ways, when the more direct imposition would attract too much unwanted Western attention and, presumably, outrage.}}<br />
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==Other Islamic Taxes==<br />
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===Zakat===<br />
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Some will say that Muslims also had to pay a tax equivalent to the jizjah paid by Dhimmis'. It is true that Muslims, under the empire, paid a tax called zakat. However, this zakat is a 2.5% tax, while the jizyah (which can vary) is about a 10% income tax (although it has been known to be as high as 50%). Muslims are obligated to pay this so-called "charity tax" even today, as its one of the five pillars of Islam. But, instead of paying it to the state, they now pay zakat to charities of their choice. It must however be noted that the majority of Islamic scholars are of the view that non-Muslims should not benefit from this alms giving,<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=984|title= The way of giving Zakat al-Fitr in non-Islamic Lands|publisher= IslamicAwakening|author= Haytham bin Jawwad al-Haddad|series= Article ID: 984|date= November 20, 2002|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=984&date=2011-05-09|deadurl=no}}</ref> which is why we find mainstream Islamic charities, like Islamic Relief, almost exclusively<ref>[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Islamic-Relief.htm Islamic Relief and the Myth of Non-Discriminating Muslim Charity] - TROP</ref> focusing their humanitarian work in Muslim majority nations or areas in non-Muslim countries which are heavily populated by Muslim minorities. In the aftermath of the 2010 Pakistan floods, many Christian survivors were denied aid supplied by Muslim charities for this very reason.<ref>[http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=7460 Pakistan: some Christians denied aid unless they convert to Islam] - Catholic Culture, September 6, 2010</ref><br />
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===Devshirme===<br />
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{{Quote||Devshirme (derived from , "collection, gathering"; called "collection of boys" or "blood tax" in Balkan countries in their native languages) was the systematic abduction of young boys from conquered Christian lands by the Ottoman sultans as a form of regular taxation in order to build a loyal slave army (formerly largely composed of war captives) and the class of (military) administrators called the "Janissaries", or other servants such as tellak in hamams. . Boys delivered to the Ottomans in this way were called ghilmán or acemi oglanlar ("novice boys").}}<br />
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===Kharaj===<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/316354/kharaj kharaj]<BR>The Encyclopædia Britannica|Tax imposed on recent Islamic converts in the 7th–8th century. <br />
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In Islamic territories, Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians who did not convert to Islam were required to pay a tax called the jizya. Many people converted to Islam to avoid this tax or to escape the ban on non-Muslims owning land. As financial problems mounted for the Umayyad rulers, authorities imposed the kharaj as a property tax for recent converts. Popular opposition to the tax led to a revolt in 747 and precipitated the downfall of the Umayyad dynasty.}}<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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{{Hub4|Jizyah|Jizyah}}<br />
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==External Links==<br />
*[http://debate.org.uk/debate-topics/historical/the-jizyah-tax The Jizyah Tax: Equality And Dignity Under Islamic Law?]<br />
*[http://www.bharatvani.org/books/jihad/app2.htm Jizyah and the Zimmî]<br />
*[http://www.dhimmitude.org/archive/by_lecture_10oct2002.htm Dhimmitude Past and Present: An Invented or Real History?]'', by Bat Ye'or''<br />
*[http://www.outsidethewire.com/blog/media/payments-to-hamas-as-jizyah.html Payments to Hamas as Jizyah]<br />
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya Jizyah]'' - Wikipedia (Additional information and contains some more Hadith references)''<br />
*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/004-jizya.htm Islam: Requiring Other Faiths to Pay Up] ''- TheReligionofPeace.com''<br />
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*[http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=166 Regarding Jizyah on non-Muslim Citizens]'' - Understanding-Islam.com''<br />
*[http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544994 Jizyah and non-Muslim Minorities] ''- Fatwa Bank at IslamOnline.net''<br />
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<div><metadesc>Was der Koran, Hadithen und die islamischen Gelehrten sagen über die 72 Jungfrauen, und sie umgebende verbreitete Missverständnisse</metadesc><br />
[[Image:72-houris.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Künstlerischer Ausdruck der 72 Jungfrauen. Der Koran, Hadithen und islamische Gelehrte erwähnen alle, dass muslimische Männer im Paradies mit Jungfrauen belohnt werden.]]<br />
Dieser Artikel diskutiert, was der [[Koran]], [[Hadith|Hadithen]] und [[islam|islamische]] Gelehrte über die 72 [[Virgins|Jungfrauen]] sagen, und löst ein paar verbreitete Missverständnisse.<br />
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==Sinnliches Paradies==<br />
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Im Islam verweist das Konzept der 72 Jungfrauen (Huri) auf einen Aspekt von Jannah ([[Heaven|Paradies, Himmel]]). Dieses Kozept gründet auf dem koranischen Text, der das sinnliche Paradies beschreibt, wo man glaubt, dass Männer <ref name="Sura 44 54"></ref>verheiratet werden mit Jungfrauen mit "gross gewachsenen", "schwellenden" oder "wie Pfirsiche geformten" Brüsten.<ref>Mehrere Übersetzer wie Hilali-Khan ([http://al-quran.info/default.aspx#&&sura=1&trans=en-hilali-khan&show=both,quran-uthmani&format=rows&ver=1.00 Noble Quran, übersetzt von Hilali-Khan]), Arthur John Arberry, Abdul Daryabadi, Umm Muhammad, Edward Henry Palmer, Ahmed Ali, John Medows Rodwell, Ali Ünal, George Sale, Muhammad Sarwar, und Tahir-ul-Qadri ([http://www.quranbrowser.com/ Quran browser], {{Qtt|78|33}}) haben {{quran|78|33}} übersetzt als sich beziehend auf "gross gewachsene", "schwellende" oder "wie Pfirsiche geformte" Brüste.</ref><br />
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<ref name="Kathir7833">"''Dies [Qur'an 78:33] bedeutet runde Brüste. Damit ist gemeint, dass die Brüste dieser Mädchen schön gerundet sind und nicht herunterhängend, weil sie eben Jungfrauen sein werden, auch altersmässig.''" - {{cite book |url=http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=78&tid=56825 |author=Ibn Kathir |title=Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Abridged, Volume 10 Surat At-Tagabun to the end of the Qur'an |pages=333-334}}</ref> Im Gegenzug, bekommen [[Islam and Women|Frauen]] nur einen Mann, und sie "werden mit ihm zufrieden sein".<ref name="Jibreen">{{cite web|quote=Dieses Zahl gilt nur für Männer. Eine Frau wird nur einen Ehemann haben im Paradies, und sie wird mit ihm zufrieden sein und nicht mehr benötigen als das. Die muslimische Frau – die nicht beeinflusst ist von den Behauptungen jener, die Nachgiebigkeit propagieren und wissen, dass sie nicht wie Männer ist in ihrem Aufbau und ihrer Natur, weil Allah sie so gemacht hat - keinen Widerstand leistet gegen Allahs Regeln oder wütend ist. Vielmehr akzeptiert sie, was Allah für sie entschieden hat. Ihre innere Natur sagt ihr, dass sie nicht mit mehr als einem Mann zur selben Zeit zusammenleben kann. So lange sie also das Paradies betreten hat, wird sie alles haben, was sie begehrt, und daher soll sie nicht streiten über die Vorzüge und Belohnungen, die ihr Herr für sie auserkoren hat, da ihr Herr niemanden ungerecht behandelt.|url= http://islamqa.info/en/11419|title= Die Belohnung für das weibliche und männliche Martyrium durch die zweiundsiebzig Huri|publisher= Islam Q&A|author= Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Jibreen|date= |series= Fatwa No. 11419|archiveurl= http://archive.is/IN1WL|deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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Zeitgenössische islamische Gelehrte der Mehrheitsmeinung, beispielsweise [[Gibril Haddad]], haben die erotische Natur des Paradieses des Koran so kommentiert, dass sie sagten, manche Männer würden eine ghusl ([[Ablution|rituelle Waschung]] nach der sexuellen Entladung) benötigen nach dem blossen Hören bestimmter Verse.<ref name="LI June 2003">{{cite web|url=http://mac.abc.se/home/onesr/f/Sex_w.slaves.a.women.html |title=Sex mit Sklaven und Frauenrechte |publisher=Living Islam |author=Shaykh Gibril Haddad |date=June 2, 2003 |quote=Der Koran erwähnt, dass für Bewohner des Paradieses - männlich und weiblich - {auf sie warten ewige Jugendliche} (56:17), {Es werden sie Jugendliche mit ewiger Jugend bedienen, die, wenn du sie siehst, du sie für ausgestreute Perlen halten würdest} (76:19). Wenn das eine gläubige Frau nicht glücklich macht, wie Imam al-Shafi`i zu derjenigen sagte, die nicht von erotischer Poesie berührt ist, "Dann hast du keine Gefühle." Was den gläubigen Mann betrifft, wie einer der Awliya sagte, einige werden ghusl benötigen vom blossen Hören des Verses {gleichaltrige jungbrüstige Mädchen} (78:33). Und wir hartherzige Analphabeten, wir können ihn lesen und lesen ohne Wirkung. |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://mac.abc.se/home/onesr/f/Sex_w.slaves.a.women.html&date=2011-05-22 |archivedate=2011-05-22 |deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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Orthodoxe muslimische Theologen wie al-Ghazali (gestorben 1111 CE) und al-Ash'ari (gestorben 935 CE) haben alle die sinnlichen Vergnügen diskutiert, die im Paradies vorgefunden werden, indem sie den Hadith erzählten, der das Paradies beschreibt als [[Slavery|Sklaven]] markt, wo es "keinen Kauf und Verkauf gibt, sondern ... wenn irgend ein Mann sexuellen Verkehr mit einer Frau wünscht, so tut er dies sofort."<ref>"''Ali berichtete, dass der Apostel von Allah sagte, "Im Paradies gibt es einen Makrt, in dem es kein Kaufen und Verkaufen gibt, sondern er besteht aus Männern und Frauen. Wenn ein Mann eine Schönheit begehrt, wird er mit ihr Verkehr haben.''" - Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34</ref><ref name=" Religious_Sciences3">{{cite web|url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm |title=Ihya Uloom Ed-Din (The Revival of the Religious Sciences) Vol. 4 |author=Al Ghazzali|quote=Ein Mann fragte den Propheten: O Gottes Prophet, werden die Insassen des Paradieses Geschlechtsverkehr haben? Er sagte: Jeder von ihnen wird sexuelle Kraft für sieben erhalten, jeder von euch. Der Prophet sagte: Ein Insasse des Paradieses wird fünf hundert Huris haben, viertausend unverheiratete Frauen und achttausend verwitwete Frauen. Jede von ihnen wird ihn umarmen für die Dauer seiner ganzen irdischen Lebenszeit. Er sagte ebenfalls: Es wird Märkte geben im Paradies, auf denen es kein Kaufen und Verkaufen gibt, sondern da werden Männer und Frauen sein. Wenn irgend ein Mann Geschlechtsverkehr mit einer Frau haben möchte, dann wird er dies sofort tun. Die Huris werden singen im Paradies von göttlicher Reinheit und Gebet - Wir sind die schönsten Huris und wir sind für die ehrenhaften Ehemänner.|series=Tod und nachfolgende Ereignisse 430 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm&date=2012-12-03 |archivedate=2012-12-03 |deadurl=no}}</ref> <br />
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Von Ibn Kathis wird zitiert aus seinem [[Tafsir|Koran-Kommentar]], der Tafsir ibn Kathir,<ref>[http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir_ibn_kathir/55.51771.html Diese zwei Gärten sind niedriger, nach Kraft und Status, als die zwei vor ihnen, wie im Koran angegeben]</ref> und sie werden grafisch von Koran-Kommentator und Universalgelehrtem al-Suyuti (gestorben 1505) beschrieben, der, einen [[hasan]] Hadith<ref name="SP 4828"></ref> von Ibn Majah<ref name="Ibn Majah 39"></ref> wiedergebend , schrieb, dass die ewigen Jungfrauen alle "anregende Vaginas haben" werden, und dass der "Penis der Auserwählten nie erschlafft. Die [[Priapism - Permanent Erection|Erektion ist ewig]]".<ref name="Al-Suyuti">"''Jedes Mal wenn wir mit einer Huri schlafen, finden wir eine Jungfrau vor. Abgesehen davon erschlafft der Penis der Auserwählten nie. Die Erektion ist ewig; die Empfindung, die du jedes Mal beim Liebe machen fühlst, ist vollkommen köstlich und nicht von dieser Welt und wenn du es in dieser Welt erleben würdest, so würdest du in Ohnmacht fallen. Jeder Auserwählte (also Muslim) wird siebzig [sic] Huris heiraten, abgesehen von den Frauen, die er auf der Erde geheiratet hat, und alle werden anregende Vaginas haben.''" - Al-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351</ref><br />
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Die sinnlichen Vergnügen zwischen Gläubigen und Huris im Paradies werden auch durch zwei [[Sahih]] Sammlungen von Hadithen bestätigt, namentlich Sahih Bukhari<ref name="Bukhari455544">"''Erzählt Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostel sagte, "Die erste Gruppe von Menschen, die ins Paradies eintreten, werden glitzern wie der Vollmond... Ihre Frauen werden Huris sein ...''" - {{Bukhari|4|55|544}}</ref> und Sahih Muslim, wo wir lesen, dass sie Jungfrauen sein werden, die so schön sind, rein und durchscheinend, dass "das Mark der Knochen ihrer Beine durch die Knochen und das Fleisch hindurch sichtbar sein wird",<ref name="Bukhari454476">"''Erzählt von Abu Huraira: Der Prophet sagte, "Die erste Gruppe (von Leuten), die ins Paradies eintreten, wird (leuchtend) sein wie der Vollmond, und die Gruppe nach ihnen wird (leuchtend) sein wie der hellste Stern am Himmel. Ihre Herzen werden sein wie das Herz eines einzelnen Mannes, da sie keine Feindschaft und Eifersucht unter sich haben werden; jeder wird zwei Frauen der Huris haben, (die so schön, rein, und durchscheinend sein werden, dass) das Mark der Knochen ihrer Beine durch die Knochen und das Fleisch hindurchscheinen wird.''" - {{Bukhari|4|54|476}}</ref> und dass "die Gläubigen sie besuchen und geniessen werden".<ref>"''Allah's Apostel (Allah's Segen und Frieden sei mit ihm) sagte: Im Paradies gibt es einen Pavillon, gemacht aus einer einzelnen hohlen Perle, sechzig Meilen weit, in jeder Ecke werden Ehefrauen sein, die die anderen in den anderen Ecken nicht sehen; und die Gläubigen werden sie besuchen und geniessen.''" - {{Bukhari|6|60|402}}</ref><br />
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==Beschreibungen==<br />
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Es gibt verschiedene Beschreibungen mit Bezug zu den Huri, die in verschiedenen islamischen Referenzen gefunden werden können. Einige davon schliessen ein:<br />
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'''Physische Attribute''':<br />
:* Breite und schöne/hübsche Augen <ref name="Sura37_48"/><ref name="Sura52_20">"''Sie werden sich (mit Leichtigkeit) zurücklehnen auf Sesseln (der Würde), in Reihen angeordnet; und wir gesellen uns zu ihnen, mit ihren schönen, grossen und schimmernden Augen.''" - {{Quran|52|20}}</ref><ref name="Sura56_22"></ref><br />
:* Wie Perlen <ref>"''Wie unter wohlbehüteten Perlen.''" - {{Quran|56|23}}</ref> <br />
:* Haarlos ausser den Augenbrauen und dem Kopf <ref name=Sunan_al-Tirmidhi_5638/> <br />
[[File:78 33-Kawaiba.jpg|thumb|right|Zusätzlich zu Koran-Übersetzungen von 78:33, die angeben, dass die Jungfrauen [[wiktionary:voluptuous|'''hingebungsvoll''']]<ref name="Sura78_33">"''Und hingebungsvolle gleichaltrige Frauen;''" - {{Quran|78|33}}</ref> sein werden, Sahih International übersetzt dies als ''"'''vollbrüstige''' gleichaltrige [Begleiterinnen]"''. Tafsir al-Jalalayn sagte ''"und '''dralle''' gleichaltrige (atrāb is the plural of tirb) Mägde (kawā‘ib ist der Plural von kā‘ib)"''. Mehrere islamische Gelehrte erklären, dass sie ''"'''grosse, runde Brüste''' haben werden, die keine Tendenz zum Hängen haben"''.<ref name=Sunan_al-Tirmidhi_v2></ref><br /><br />[[Image:Brsts.jpg|167px|right]]]]<br />
:* Schön <ref name="Bukhari454476"></ref><br />
:* Weisse Haut <ref name=" Religious_Sciences">{{cite web|url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm |title=Ihya Uloom Ed-Din (The Revival of the Religious Sciences) Vol. 4 |author=Al Ghazzali|archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm&date=2012-12-03 |archivedate=2012-12-03 |deadurl=no}}</ref> <br />
:* 60 Ellen [27.5 Meter] gross <ref name="Ibn_Kathir">[http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=56&tid=51961 Ibn Kathir: Die Belohnung der Gerechten im Danach]</ref><ref name=" Religious_Sciences" /> <br />
:* 7 Ellen [3.2 Meter] breit <ref name=" Religious_Sciences" /> <br />
:* Durchsichtig bis zum Mark ihrer Knochen <ref name=Sunan_al-Tirmidhi_v2/><ref name="Bukhari454476"></ref><br />
:* Ewig jung <ref name=Sunan_al-Tirmidhi_5638>Al-Tirmidhi, Sunan al-Tirmidhi, hadith: 5638</ref> <br />
:* Gleichaltrige Begleiterinnen <ref name="Sura78_33"/><ref name="Muhammad Asad - atrab"> Muhammad Asad, Die Botschaft des Koran,Publisher: The Book Foundation; Bilingual edition (December 2003), Language: English, ISBN 1904510000,Chapter (Surah) Al-Waqiah (Das, was geschehen soll)(56):38, Anmerkung 15</ref> <br />
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'''Sexuelle Attribute''':<br />
:* Unberührt / mit nicht durch Geschlechtsverkehr versehrtem Hymen <ref name="Sura55_56"/><ref name="Sura55_72_74">"''zurückhaltende Begleiterinnen (was ihre Blicke betrifft), in (ansehnlichen) Pavillons;- Denn welche der Gefälligkeiten deines Herrn willst du zurückweisen?- Die kein Mann oder Dschinn vor ihnen berührt hat;-''" - {{Quran-range|55|72|74}}</ref> <br />
:* Jungfrauen <ref name="q56_36"></ref> <br />
:* Sinnlich/vollbrüstig <ref name="Sura78_33"/> <br />
:* Mit grossen, runden Brüsten, die nicht hängen <ref name=Sunan_al-Tirmidhi_v2> Al-Tirmidhi, Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 2.</ref><ref name="Kathir7833"></ref> <br />
:* Anregende Vaginas <ref name="Al-Suyuti"></ref><br />
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'''Persönliche Attribute''':<br />
:* Keusch <ref name="Sura37_48">"''Und neben ihnen werden keusche Frauen sein, mit zurückhaltenden Blicken, mit grossen Augen (voller Wunder und Schönheit).''" - {{Quran|37|48}}</ref> <br />
:* Zurückhaltende Blicke <ref name="Sura37_48"/><ref name="Sura55_56">"''Darin werden (Mägde) sein, keusch, zurückhaltenden Blickes, die kein Mann oder Dschinn vor ihnen berührt hat;-''" - {{Quran|55|56}}</ref> <br />
:* Bescheidener Blick <ref name="Muhammad Asad-modest gaze"> Muhammad Asad, Die Botschaft des Koran,Publisher: The Book Foundation; Bilingual edition (December 2003), Language: English, ISBN 1904510000,Chapter (Surah) Sad (38):52</ref> <br />
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'''Andere Attribute''':<br />
:* Prachtvoll <ref name="Muhammad Asad -Kawa'ib"> Muhammad Asad, The Message of the Qur'an, Publisher: The Book Foundation; Bilingual edition (December 2003) Language: English, ISBN 1904510000,Chapter (Surah) An-Naba (The Tiding)(78):33, note 16</ref><br />
:* Rein <ref name="Bukhari454476"></ref><br />
:* Nicht-menstruierend / nicht-urinierend / nicht-stuhlend und ohne Kinder <ref name=Sunan_al-Tirmidhi_v2/><ref name=" Religious_Sciences2">{{cite web|url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm |title=Ihya Uloom Ed-Din (The Revival of the Religious Sciences) Vol. 4 |author=Al Ghazzali |quote=Der Prophet sagte: Wenn eine Frau des Paradieses in diese Welt geschaut hätte, dann wäre alles erleuchtet und mit Duft erfüllt. Jedes Haar auf ihrem Kopf ist besser als die Erde und ihre Schätze. Gott sagt: Sie sind wie Eakut und Marjan. Wenn ihre Gesichter in einem Rahmen zu sehen sind, so werden sie klarer sein als Spiegel und die kleinste Juwele darin wird beleuchten was im Himmel und auf der Erde ist. Der Prophet sagte: In der Nacht, in der ich in den Himmel aufgenommen wurde, betrat ich einen Ort im Paradies namens Baidakh, dessen Lagerstätten aus Smaragden und grünen Perlen und rotem Eakut sind. Sie fragten: O Prophet Gottes, Salam zu dir. Ich fragte: O Gibrail, wessen Klang ist da? Er sagte: von den schönen Frauen in den Lagern. Sie erbitten deine Erlaubnis, dich grüssen zu dürfen. So gib ihnen die Erlaubnis. Sie werden sagen: Wir sind hievon erfreut. Wir werden nie unzufrieden sein. Wir werden ewig hier bleiben, wir werden nie abreisen. Dann rezizierte er den Vers: Die schönen Damen, in Lagern versammelt. In einem anderen Vers: Reine Frauen. Muzaher erklärte dies, indem er sagte, dass sie frei sind von Menstruation, Urin, Stuhlgang, Husten und Kindern. |series=Death and Subsequent Events 430 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm&date=2012-12-03 |archivedate=2012-12-03 |deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
:* Nie unzufrieden <ref name=" Religious_Sciences2"></ref><br />
:* Singen Lobgesang <ref name=" Religious_Sciences3"></ref><BR><BR><br />
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==Authentizität==<br />
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Während es vielerlei Quellen gibt, einschliesslich des Koran, die uns gläubigen Männern sagen, dass wir von Jungfrauen erwartet werden, so sind doch viele von uns besorgt über die [[Authenticity_of_72_Virgins_Hadith|Authentizität des Konzeptes der 72 Jungfrauen]], und sind in der irrigen Meinung, dass es nur eine [[List_of_Fabricated_Hadith|schwache]] Referenz auf die exakte Anzahl der ihnen gegebenen Huris gibt. Aber diese Erzählungen sind in Tat und Wahrheit in vielen Hadith-Sammlungen mit unterschiedlichen Authentizitätsstufen zu finden, reichend von hasan (gut) bis zu sahih (authentisch).<br />
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Zum Beispiel in der Sunan Ibn Majah, einer der sechs wichtigsten Hadith-Sammlungen,<ref name="VIRH"></ref> steht in einer hasan (guten)<ref name="SP 4828"></ref> Erzählung, dass jeder Mann, der ins Paradies eingelassen wird, ewige Erektionen erhält und mit 72 Frauen vermählt wird, alle mit libidinösen Sexualorganen.<ref name="Ibn Majah 39">"''Abu Umama erzählte: "Gottes Botschafter sagte, 'Jeder, den Gott ins Paradies einlässt wird mit 72 Ehefrauen verheiratet; zwei von ihnen sind Huris und siebzig aus seiner Erbschaft der [weiblichen] Bewohner der Hölle. Alle werden sie libidinöse Sexualorgane haben und er wird einen ewig-erigierten Penis haben.' ''" - Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Buch der Abstinenz) 39</ref> Ähnlich in einem anderen Hadith mit mehreren Erzählern, das als hasan (gut) bewertet wurde, heisst es dass der Märtyrer ([[shahid]]) verheiratet werden wird mit zweiundsiebzig al-hoor al-‘iyn verheiratet werden wird.<ref name="alMiqdaam">''Es wurde berichtet im Hadith von al-Miqdaam ibn Ma’di Karb, dass der Prophet [Friede und Allahs Segen ruhen mit ihm] sagte:'' ''“Der Märtyrer (shaheed) hat sieben Segen von Allaah: Es wird ihm vergeben von dem Moment an, wo sein Blut zuerst vergossen wird; ihm wird sein Platz im Paradies gezeigt; das letzte Gericht wird ihm erspart; und er wird sicher sein am Tag des grössten Terrors (dem jüngsten Tag); auf seinen Kopf wird eine Krone der Würde gesetzt, ein Rubin davon ist besser als diese Welt und alles was darin ist; er wird verheiratet mit zweiundsiebzig al-hoor al-‘iyn; und es wird ihm erlaubt, Fürsprache einzulegen für siebzig seiner Verwandten.”'' ''Nach einem anderen Bericht, erhält der Märtyrer sechs Segen von Allah. Nach anderen Berichten (ist die Zahl) sechs, oder neun, oder zehn'' - erzählt von al-Tirmidhi, der sagte, dass es sich um einen Hasan Hadith handelt. Ebenfalls erzählt von Ibn Maajah in al-Sunan, von Ahmad, von ‘Abd al-Razzaaq in al-Musannaf, von al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, und von Sa’eed ibn Mansoor in al-Sunan</ref><ref name="QA 8511">{{cite web|url=http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/islamqa/8511 |title=The six blessings of the martyrs |publisher=Islam Q&A|series= Fatwa No. 8511 |author=Shaykh Waleed al-Firyaan |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/islamqa/8511&date=2011-11-21 |archivedate=2011-11-21 |deadurl=no}}</ref> <br />
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In der Sunan al-Tirmidhi, einer weiteren der sechs wichtigsten Hadith-Sammlungen,<ref name="VIRH">{{cite web|url=http://www.abc.se/~m9783/n/vih_e.html |title=Verschiedene Themen über Hadithen |publisher=Living Islam |author=Shaykh Gibril Haddad |date=April 4, 2003 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.abc.se/~m9783/n/vih_e.html&date=2011-05-22 |archivedate=2011-05-22 |deadurl=no}}</ref> heisst es, dass die kleinste Belohnung für Leute des Himmels ein Wohnsitz mit zweiundsiebzig Huris ist.<ref>"''Es wurde erwähnt von Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, dass Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb erzählte von Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, der den Propheten Mohammed PBUH sagen hörte, 'Die geringste Belohnung für Menschen im Himmel ist ein Wohnsitz, wo achtzigtausend Diener und zweiundsiebzig Huris sind, über denen ein Dom steht, der mit Perlen, Aquamarinen und Rubinen geschmückt ist, so breit wie die Distanz von al-Jabiyyah nach San'a.''" - Al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 4, Ch. 21, No. 2687</ref> notiert, dass dies kein "schwacher Hadit ist ohne Sanad (Kette von Erzählern)", wie manche behauptet haben.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/debunking-the-suicide-for-72-virgins-myth/ |title=Debunking the ‘Suicide for 72 Virgins’ Myth |publisher=TheUglyTruth |author=Nashid Abdul-Khalliq |date=March 4, 2007 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/debunking-the-suicide-for-72-virgins-myth/&date=2012-02-20 |archivedate=2012-02-20 |deadurl=no}}</ref> Es wurde bewertet hasan sahih gharib,<ref name="SP 4828">Shaykh Gibril Haddad - [http://www.webcitation.org/64zXNO08I Wieviele Ehefrauen wird der Gläubige im Paradies haben?] - SunniPath, Question ID:4828, July 3, 2005</ref>, was bedeutet dass dieser Hadith hasan ist, da er mehrere Erzählerketten aufweist, deshalb ist er sahih, da die Ketten alle authentisch sind und es gharib ist in den Worten, die Imam Tirmidhi erzählte.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.sunnah.org/history/Scholars/imam_tirmidhi.htm |title=Imam Tirmidhi (209 - 279 H) |publisher=As-Sunnah Foundation of America |author= |date=February 20, 2012 |quote= |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.sunnah.org/history/Scholars/imam_tirmidhi.htm&date=2012-02-20 |archivedate=2012-02-20 |deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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Ebenso berichtet in Sunan al-Kubra und Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, sowie als Sahih (authentisch)<ref name="SP 4828"></ref> erklärt von Ibn Abi Shayba, Ibn Hibban, und al-Hakim, ist der Hadith, der sagt, dass im Diener im Paradies [[Marriage|verheiratet]] sein werden mit siebzig Frauen und dass ihnen sexuelle Kraft für hundert gegeben wird.<ref name="al Janna">"''Anas sagte, Allah sei hocherfreut mit ihm: Der Botschafter Allahs sagte, Segen und Friede sei mit ihm: “Der Diener im Paradies soll verheiratet werden mit siebzig Frauen.” Jemand sagte, “Botschafter Allahs, kann er es ertragen?” Und er sagte: “Er wird die Kraft für hundert erhalten.” Von Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah sei ihm wohlgesonnen, wenn ein ungläubiger Jude oder Christ den Propheten, Segen und Friede sei mit ihm, “Behauptest du, dass ein Mann essen und trinken wird im Paradies??” Er antwortete: “Ja, bei dem Einen, in dessen Hand meine Seele ist, und jeder von ihnen wird die Kraft von hundert Männern gegeben in seinem Essen, Trinken, im Koitus, und im Vergnügen.”''" - Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli im Du`afa’, und Musnad von Abu Bakr al-Bazzar</ref><br />
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Orthodoxe muslimische Theologen haben weiteren Hadith erzählt, der uns die genaue Zahl von 72 gibt, wie etwa al-Ghazali, der schrieb, "[Der Prophet sagte,] der niedrigste Rang eines Bewohners des Paradieses wird achtzig Tausend Diener und zweiundsiebzig Ehefrauen haben."<ref name=" Religious_Sciences4">{{cite web|url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm |title=Ihya Uloom Ed-Din (The Revival of the Religious Sciences) Vol. 4 |series=The Book of Constructive Virtues 431|author=Al Ghazzali|quote=Der Prophet sagte zu einem Mann: O Diener Gottes, wenn du ins Paradies eintrittst, so wirst du erhalten, was du begehrst, woran deine Augen gefallen finden. Der Prophet sagte: Wenn ein Bewohner des Paradieses wünscht, dass ihm ein Sohn geboren wird, so wird er ihn erhalten. Sein Gebärmutteraufenthalt, seine Milchentwöhnung, und seine Jugendzeit werden sich alle gleichzeitig ereignen. Er sagte ebenso: Die Bewohner des Paradieses werden Bart- und Haarlos sein. Ihre Farbe wird weiss sein und ihre Augen mit Kollyrium bemalt. Sie werden jugendliche von 33 Jahren sein. Sie werden sechzig Ellen lang und sieben Ellen breit sein. Er sagte ebenso: Der niedrigste Rang eines Paradiesbewohners wird achtzigtausend Diener und zweiundsiebzig Ehefrauen haben. Kurz, es wird so viel Glückseligkeit im Paradies geben, wie sie noch von keinem Auge gesehen wurde, wie sie noch kein Ohr gehört hat, und wie sie noch kein Herz erdacht hat. |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm&date=2012-12-03 |archivedate=2012-12-03 |deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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==Jungfrauen oder Sultaninen?==<br />
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Der falsche Mythos der "weissen Sultaninen" stammt von Christoph Luxenberg, einem modernen Autor, der unter einem Pseudonym schreibt.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Luxenberg |title=Christoph Luxenberg |publisher=Wikipedia |author= |date=February 19, 2012 |quote= |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Luxenberg&date=2012-02-19 |archivedate=2012-02-19 |deadurl=no}}</ref> Seine anti-islamische Behauptung,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Syro-Aramaic_Reading_of_the_Koran |title=Die Syro-Aramäische Lesart des Qur'an |publisher=Wikipedia |author= |date=February 19, 2012 |quote= |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Syro-Aramaic_Reading_of_the_Koran&date=2012-02-19 |archivedate=2012-02-19 |deadurl=no}}</ref> die beschuldigt wurde, eine "christlich rechtfertigende Agenda" zu haben,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.livius.org/opinion/Luxenberg.htm |title=Missionary, dilettante or visionary? A review of Ch. Luxenberg, Die Syro-Aramäische Lesart des Qur'an |publisher=Livius |author=Richard Kroes |date=February 19, 2012 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.livius.org/opinion/Luxenberg.htm&date=2012-02-19 |archivedate=2012-02-19 |deadurl=no}}</ref> ist, dass der Qur'an Auszüge aus [[Islam and the People of the Book|christlichen]] syro-aramäischen Texten des frühen 8. Jahrhunderts enthält, um die Araber zu evangelisieren,<ref>{{cite web|url=http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/7025?eng=y |title=Die Jungfrauen und die Sultaninen: Die christlichen Ursprünge des Koran |publisher=Chiesa press |author=Sandro Magister |date=March 17, 2004 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/7025?eng=y&date=2012-02-19 |archivedate=2012-02-19 |deadurl=no}}</ref> und dass das aramäische Wort 'hur' (weisse Traube) [[Mistranslated Verses|falsch übersetzt]] worden sei von späteren arabischen Kommentatoren in das arabische Wort 'houri' (Jungfrau).<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/03/02/MN128985.DTL |title=Revisionistische Historiker argumentieren, dass der Koran falsch übersetzt worden ist |publisher=New York Times |author=Alexander Stille |date=March 2, 2002 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/03/02/MN128985.DTL&date=2012-02-19 |archivedate=2012-02-19 |deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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Der Koran beschreibt die physischen Charakteristika der Houri an vielen Orten, und das Lesen der relevanten Verse zeigt, dass Luxenberg's Theorie bezüglich himmlischer weisser Sultaninen fehlerhaft ist.<br />
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Sultaninen, welches getrocknete Trauben sind, können keine grossen Augen haben<ref name="Sura56_22">"''Und (da sind) hübsche mit breien, schönen Augen,-''" - {{Quran|56|22}}</ref> grossen Brüsten,<ref name="Sura78_33">"''und And üppige gleichaltrige Frauen;''" - {{Quran|78|33}}</ref> können nicht ihren Blick senken,<ref name="Sura55_56"></ref> können nicht als keusch beschrieben werden,<ref name="Sura55_56"></ref> oder irgend eine der oben aufgezählten Charakteristika haben. Der Koran sagt weiter, dass Männer mit diesen Houri verheiratet werden.<ref name="Sura 44 54">"''Und so (wird es sein). Und wir werden sie verheiraten mit Schönen mit breiten, hübschen Augen.''" - {{Quran|44|54}}</ref> Man kann Männer nicht mit Sultanien oder weissen Trauben verheiraten.<br />
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Zusätzlich müsste jemand, der die "72 Sultaninen"-Theorie akzeptiert, ebenfalls akzeptieren, dass der Koran nicht von [[Allah]] geschrieben wurde oder dem Propheten [[Mohammed]] auf arabisch enthüllt worden war im 7. Jahrhundert, sondern dass er tatsächlich von christlichen Evangelisten auf syro-aramäisch während des 8. Jahrhunderts geschrieben wurde.<br />
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==Terrorismus==<br />
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[[Suicide|Selbstmord]] ist ganz klar verboten im Islam, aber die [[The_Islamic_Ruling_on_the_Permissibility_of_Martyrdom_Operations|Erlaubnis für Märtyreroperationen]] (Istishhad) ist ein ganz anderes Thema, an dem die Gelehrten zerstritten sind.<br />
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Beachtliche Gelehrte und Apologeten, wie etwa Shaykh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, der weltweit meistzitierte unabhängige islamische Jurist,<ref name="Faisal">{{cite web|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/aug/28/comment.israelandthepalestinians |title=Bombing for God (Special report: Israel and the Middle East) |publisher=The Guardian |author=Faisal Bodi |date=August 28, 2001 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/aug/28/comment.israelandthepalestinians&date=2012-02-21 |archivedate=2012-02-21 |deadurl=no}}</ref> [[Dr.]] [[Zakir Naik]], bekannt für seine Befürwortung von "[[Islam and Science|Koranwissenschaft]]", und Tahir Ashrafi, Vorsitzender des [[All Pakistan Ulema Council]], haben den Einsatz von Selbstmordattentätern im Islam gerechtfertigt.<ref>Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi - [http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545134 Palestinian Women Carrying Out Martyr Operations] - Islam Online, November 6, 2006</ref><ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtZxNqxpb8s Is Suicide Bombing allowed in Islam? By Dr. Zakir Naik] (ein YouTube Video publiziert von PeaceTVUK am 20. September 2008</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.tolonews.com/en/afghanistan/9627-pakistan-ulema-permits-suicide-attacks |title=Pakistan Ulema Permits Suicide Attacks |publisher=TOLOnews |author=Abdul Haq Omari |date=March 2, 2013 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.tolonews.com/en/afghanistan/9627-pakistan-ulema-permits-suicide-attacks&date=2013-03-05 |archivedate=2013-03-05 |deadurl=no}}</ref> Meinungsumfragen haben weiterhin gezeigt, dass eine [[Muslim Statistics - Terrorism|extrem grosse Zahl]] von Muslimen in der ganzen Welt diese Praktik unterstützen.<ref name="Faisal"></ref><ref name="JP">Michael Freund - [http://web.archive.org/web/20070210015156/http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1167467849587&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull Right On: The straightforward arithmetic of jihad] - The Jerusalem Post, January 31, 2007</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://web.archive.org/web/20040412010339/http://web.mid-day.com/news/world/2004/march/79639.htm |title=65% Pakistanis support Osama, says report |publisher=Mid Day |author=Khalid A-H Ansari |date=March 27, 2004 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://web.archive.org/web/20040412010339/http://web.mid-day.com/news/world/2004/march/79639.htm&date=2012-02-11 |archivedate=2012-02-11 |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.scotsman.com/news/international/one_in_eight_uk_muslims_support_terrorist_attacks_1_517610 |title=One in eight UK Muslims 'support terrorist attacks' |publisher=Scotsman.com |author= |date=March 15, 2004 |quote= |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.scotsman.com/news/international/one_in_eight_uk_muslims_support_terrorist_attacks_1_517610&date=2012-02-04 |archivedate=2012-02-04 |deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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Der Koran sagt, dass alle muslimischen Männer, nicht nur Märtyrer, mit Jungfrauen belohnt werden.<ref name="q56_36">"''Dann haben wir sie zu Jungfrauen gemacht''" - {{Quran|56|36}}</ref> Allerdings erwähnt der Koran auch, dass jene, die in Allah's Namen([[jihad]]) [[The_Meaning_of_Qatal|kämpfen]] und getötet werden, eine "grosse Belohnung",<ref name="Sura4 74">"''Lass jene (Gläubigen), die das Leben dieser Welt verkaufen für den Kampf für Allah's Sache, - und die getötet werden oder siegreich sind, wir werden ihm eine grosse Belohnung zukommen lassen.''" - {{Quran|4|74}}</ref> erhalten, und es gibt auch hasan (gute) Hadithen,<ref name="QA 8511"></ref> die sich auf 72 Jungfrauen als einen der "sieben Segen von Allah" für die Märtyrer beziehen.<ref name="alMiqdaam"></ref> Dies hat dazu geführt, dass das Konzept der 72 Jungfrauen breit benutzt wird als eine Art, andere Muslime dazu zu bringen, "Märtyreroperationen" für den Islam auszuführen. <br />
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Dies kann man beobachten in [[Palestinian_Authority_area|Palästina]], wo der Akt einer Mutter, die ihren Sohn in den Märtyrertod schickt, manchmal als "ihn weg-verheiraten"<ref>{{cite web|url=http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=565 |title=Die vorbildliche palästinensische Mutter schickt ihren Sohn in den Märtyrertod, und verheiratet ihn damit weg |publisher=Al-Hayat Al-Jadida |author= |date=January 8, 2012 |quote= |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=565&date=2012-02-21 |archivedate=2012-02-21 |deadurl=no}}</ref> gesehen wird, und wo das Konzept in den Freitagsgebeten und [[Music|Musik]] [[Videos]] benutzt wird, die beide auf offiziellen TV-Stationen ausgestrahlt werden.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=565 |title=72 Frauen warten auf den Märtyrer-für-Allah: Sechs Belohnungen, die in Hamas TV-Predigten zitiert werden |publisher=Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas) |author= |date=January 1, 2010 |quote= |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=565&date=2012-02-21 |archivedate=2012-02-21 |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=565 |title=Schöne Jungfrauen warten im Paradies auf muslimische Märtyrer |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=565&date=2012-02-21 |archivedate=2012-02-21 |deadurl=no}} - Palestinian TV (Fatah), February 7, 2010 (1 min)</ref>. Es wurde sogar im [[United Kingdom|Vereinigten Königreich]] benutzt, wo, an einem Anlass, muslimmischen Teenagern gesagt wurde, sie sollten sich im Gebrauch von Kalashnikov-Sturmgewehren üben mit dem Versprechen, dass dann 72 Jungfrauen im Paradies auf sie warten, wenn sie als religiöse Märtyrer sterben.<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2687797.stm Britishe Märtyrer wurden '72 Jungfrauen versprochen'] - BBC News, January 23, 2003</ref> <br />
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Im Gegensatz zu dem, was der Koran, Hadithen, Gelehrte und Muslime selber sagen, behauptet eine westliche Autorin namens Margaret Nydell in eeinem Buch, welches "Verständnis zwischen heutigen Arabern und Westlern fördert", dass moderne Muslime den Glauben an 72 Jungfrauen auf dieselbe Art betrachen, wie moderne Christen den Glauben daran, dass sie nach dem Tod mit Flügeln und einer Harfe ausgerüstet werden und auf Wolken schweben.<ref>{{cite book|title=Understanding Arabs: A Guide for Modern Times|author=Margaret Kleffner Nydell|page=109|year=2006|publisher=Intercultural Press|isbn=1931930252}}</ref> <br />
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Hingegen diskutieren sowohl der Koran und Mohammed in der Hadith-Literatur das Thema der Jungfrauen, die Männern im Paradies zur Verfügung gestellt werden. Daher, ausser die Bibel, und spezifischer [[Jesus]] in den [[Injil|vier Evangelien]], sagen den Christen ausdrücklich, dass sie mit Flügeln und einer Harfe ausgerüstet werden bei ihrer Ankunft im Himmel, dann ist diese Behauptung ungenau und irreführend.<br />
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==Schlussfolgerung==<br />
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Das koranische Paradies ist von seiner Natur her sinnlich,<ref name="LI June 2003"></ref> und verspricht muslimischen Männern üppige,<ref name="Sura78_33"/> Jungfrauen<ref name="q56_36"/> gibt aber keine exakte Zahl an. Dies kann keine Fehlübersetzung sein, weil Sultaninen keine grossen Augen haben <ref name="Sura56_22"></ref> und auch nicht mit Männern verheiratet werden können.<ref name="Sura 44 54"></ref><br />
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Die Hadithenliteratur ergänzt den koranischen Text durch Angabe der exakten Zahl von Jungfrauen als 72 und durch eine detaillierte Beschreibung ihrer [[#Beschreibungen|Charakteristika]]. Diese Erzählungen sind nicht schwach, sondern unterscheiden sich in ihrer Kraft von gut bis authentisch.<ref name="SP 4828"></ref><ref name="QA 8511"></ref><ref>[http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islam.tc%2Fcgi-bin%2Faskimam%2Fask.pl%3Fq%3D7007%26act%3Dview&date=2012-01-09<!-- http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/ask.pl?q=7007&act=view --> Die Anzahl Huris (70 oder mehr) in Jannah für einen Shaheed oder einen Jannathi ist festgelegt je nach Hadith und Buch] - Mufti Ebrahim Desai, Ask-Imam, Question No. 7007, October 29, 2002</ref> <br />
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Es sind uns auch Details angegeben der physischen Attribute, die Männer erhalten, um 72 Jungfrauen standzuhalten, namentlich [[Priapism_-_Permanent_Erection|immer-erigierte penise]], die nie erschlaffen<ref name="Ibn Majah 39"></ref><ref name="Al-Suyuti"></ref> und die sexuelle Kraft, um 100 zu befriedigen.<ref name="al Janna"></ref><ref name="Masabih XLII"></ref><ref name=" Religious_Sciences5">{{cite web|url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm |title=Ihya Uloom Ed-Din (The Revival of the Religious Sciences) Vol. 4 |author=Al Ghazzali|quote=Einmal kam ein jüdischer Gelehrter zum Propheten und fragte ihn: Wer wird die Brücke als erstes überqueren? Er sagte: Die armen Flüchtlinge : Der Jude fragte erneut: Wann werden sie ins Paradies eintreten, welche Nahrung wird ihnen als erstes serviert? Er sagte: Gebratene Fishleber. Er fragte erneut: Was wird ihr Frühstück sein? Er sagte: Kühe des Paradieses werden für sie geschlachtet werden. Er sagte: Welches Getränk werden sie bekommen? Er sagte: Sie werden ein Salsabil-Getränk bekommen. Der Jude sagte: Du hast die Wahrheit gesprochen. Einmal fragte ein Jude den Propheten: Glaubst du, dass die Insassen des Paradieses essen und trinken werden? Der Prophet sagte Ja, beim Einen, in dessen Hand mein Leben liegt, jeder von ihnen wird Nahrung, Getränke, und die Kraft von hundert Männern für Geschlechtsverkehr erhalten. Der Jude fragte: Wird er das Bedürfnis haben, Urin und Stuhlgang loszuwerden? Der Prophet sagte: Statt Urin und Stuhl wird Schweiss aus ihnen strömen wie Kampfer und als Resultat davon wird ihr Magen gereinigt sein. |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.nderf.org/islamic_views_death.htm&date=2012-12-03 |archivedate=2012-12-03 |deadurl=no}}, Das Buch der konstruktiven Tugenden 429</ref><br />
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Obwohl es heisst, dass sie "grosse Belohnungen" erhalten werden,<ref name="Sura4 74"></ref> und es auch hasan Hadithen gibt,<ref name="QA 8511"></ref> welche von 72 Jungfrauen als eine der "sieben Segnungen von Allah" an die Märtyrer sprechen,<ref name="alMiqdaam"></ref> so spricht doch der Koran nicht davon, dass diese Jungfrauen eine Belohnung für Jihadisten/Märtyrer sind, sondern dass sie jedem muslimischen Mann zustehen, der ins Paradies eintritt.<ref name="q56_36"></ref><br />
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==Ausgewählte Zitate==<br />
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{{Quote|Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Buch der Abstinenz) 39|Abu Umama erzählte: "Der Botschafter von Gott sagte, 'Jeder, den Gott ins Paradies einlässt, wird '''mit 72 Ehefrauen verheiratet; zwei davon sind Houris und siebzig sind aus seiner Erbschaft der [weiblichen] Bewohner der Hölle'''. Alle werden libidinöse Geschlechtsteile haben und er wird einen '''immer-erigierten Penis''' haben.' "}}<br />
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{{Quote|Al-Tirmidhi, Vol. 4, Ch. 21, No. 2687|Es wird erwähnt von Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, dass Abu al-Haytham 'Adullah Ibn Wahb erzählte von Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, der den Propheten Mohammed FSMI sagen hörte, 'Die geringste Belohnung für die Leute des Himmels ist ein Ort, wo achtzigtausend Diener und '''zweiundsiebzig Houri''' sind, über ihnen steht ein Dom, dekoriert mit Perlen, Aquamarinen und Rubinen, so breit wie die Distanz von al-Jabiyyah bis San'a.}}<br />
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{{Quote|Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351|Jedesmal, wenn wir mit einer Houri schlafen, finden wir sie als Jungfrau vor. Abgesehen davon '''erschlafft der Penis der Auserwählten nie. Die Erektion ist ewiglich'''; Die Empfindung, die du jedesmal beim Liebe machen fühlst, ist unendlich köstlich und ausser dieser Welt, und wenn du das in dieser Welt erleben würdest, so fielest du in Ohnmacht. Jeder Auserwählte [also Muslim] wird '''siebzig''' [sic] '''Houris''' heiraten, abgesehen von den Frauen, die er auf der Erde heiratete, und '''alle werden anregende Vaginas haben'''.}}<br />
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{{Quote|Sifat al-Janna, al-`Uqayli im Du`afa’, und Musnad von Abu Bakr al-Bazzar|Anas sagte, Allah sei ihm gnädig: Der Botschafter Allahs sagte, Segen und Friede sei mit ihm: “'''Der Diener im Paradies soll mit siebzig Frauen verheiratet sein'''.” Jemand sagte, “Botschafter Allahs, kann er es tragen?” Er sagte: “Er wird die Kraft von Hundert erhalten.” Von Zayd ibn Arqam, Allah sei ihm wohlgesonnen, als ein ungläubiger Jude oder Christ den Propheten fragte, Segen und Friede über ihn, “Behauptest du, dass ein Mann im Paradies essen und trinken wird??” Er antwortete: “Ja, beim Einen, in dessen Hand meine Seele liegt, und '''jeder von ihnen wird die Kraft von hundert Männern erhalten für sein essen, trinken, seinen Koitus und sein Vergnügen'''.”}}<br />
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{{Quote|1=Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Gekürzt, Band 10 Surat At-Tagabun bis ans Ende des Koran, 333-334|2=Dies '''[Qur'an 78:33] bedeutet runde Brüste'''. Sie meinten damit, dass die Brüste dieser Mädchen '''voll gerundet und nicht hängend''' sein werden, weil sie Jungfrauen sein werden, gleichaltrig.}}<br />
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==Antworten an die Apologeten==<br />
# '''''"Der Koran spricht nicht von 72 Jungfrauen, nur die Hadithen"'''''<BR> Obwohl der Koran die Anzahl der Jungfrauen nicht nennt, so sagt doch Vers 56:36<ref name="q56_36"/>, dass muslimische Männer im Paradies mit Jungfrauen belohnt werden. Der Koran beschreibt ihre physischen Attribute, zum Beispiel dass sie grosse Augen (56:22) und grosse Brüste (78:33)<ref name="Sura78_33"/> und so weiter haben werden. Die tatsächliche Zahl der Houri ist daher ein unwichtiges Thema und 72 ist die Zahl der Houris, die in mehreren Hadithen bestätigt wird. Die [[Hadith|Hadithen]] sind ein [[Qur'an Only Islam - Why it is Not Possible|wichtiger Teil des Islam]] und bestimmte Muslime ignorieren sie, weil sie manchmal unangenehme Details über den Islam enthalten. Es gibt viele Hadithen und Koranverse, die über verschiedene Themen sexueller Art reden. Gemäss {{Bukhari|1|5|268}}, der zu den authentischsten Hadithensammlungen gehört, hat Mohammed selber die sexuelle Kraft von 30 Männern erhalten, und so weiter.<br />
# '''''"Der 72-Jungfrauen-Hadith wurde als Da'if (schwach) oder Maudu (fabriziert) beurteilt"'''''<BR> Das ist nicht wahr. Der Hadith von Sunan al-Tirmidhi wurde als hasan sahih gharib eingestuft (ein “schöner, fundierter Einzelketten-Hadith”).<ref name="SP 4828"></ref> Zusätzlich gibt es nicht nur einen "72 Jungfrauen"-Hadith. Wir haben hier Erzählungen zitiert, die sowohl hasan (gut) als auch sahih (authentisch) klassiert sind, und es gibt [[#Authentizität|viele andere]].<br />
# '''''"Offensichtlich ist dieser Hadith erfunden, unzuverlässig, und/oder er ist eine Lüge"'''''<BR>Seiehe Antworten zu #1 und #2. <br />
# '''''"Der Koran spricht nicht darüber, dass die Zahl Jungfrauen zweiundsiebzig sei"'''''<BR>Siehe Antwort #1.<br />
# '''''"Er spricht über (weisse) Sultaninen, nicht Jungfrauen"'''''<BR>Das ist ein Mythos, der von Christoph Luxenberg stammt, einem jüngeren Autor mit einem Pseudonym, der keine bekannten Qualifikationen oder Autorität in islamischen Dingen hat, und man hat ihm aus [[#Jungfrauen oder Sultaninen?|verschiedenen Gründen]] Fehler nachgewiesen. <br />
# '''''"Der Islam verbietet Suizid"'''''<BR>Ja, es existieren Hadithen, die Suizid verbieten ([[The_Islamic_Ruling_on_the_Permissibility_of_Martyrdom_Operations|Selbstmordattentate]] hingegen sind ein anderes Thema), aber das hat nichts damit zu tun, dass der Islam Frauen verspricht im Paradies für die "Gerechten" (also Muslime).<br />
# '''''"Wenn die zweiundsiebzig Jungfrauen etwas grosses wären im Islam, dann würde häufiger darüber geredet."'''''<BR>Von Frauen als Belohnung im islamischen Himmel wird häufig geredet im Koran, wie durch verschiedene Stellen belegt, wo über ihre Charakteristiken geredet wird. Auch wenn der Koran über ein bestimmtes Thema nur einmal redet, so kann es trotzdem nicht leicht genommen werden, da jedes Wort und jeder Satz im Koran wichtig und den Muslimen heilig ist.<br />
# '''''"Die Houri sind für Männer und für Frauen"'''''<BR> Der Koran spricht ausdrücklich von weiblichen Jungfrauen mit grossen Augen als Belohnung für Männer. Im Gegenteil gibt es keinen einzigen "Frauen-bekommen-Kerle-als-Belohnung"-Vers. Einige geschlechtsneutrale Verse existieren, aber sie sprechen nur von allgemeinen Belohnungen (wie "Begleitung" usw.). Auch, gemäss Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Jibreen, der ein führender Kleriker war und Mitglied der Vereinigung erfahrener Kleriker, "Diese Zahl gilt nur für Männer. Eine Frau wird nur einen Ehemann im Paradies haben, und sie wird mit ihm zufrieden sein und wird nicht mehr als das benötigen."<ref name="Jibreen"></ref><br />
# '''''"Die Houri sind nur Diener und nicht für sexuelle Zwecke"'''''<BR> Wenn das wahr wäre, dann würde Koran 56:36<ref name="q56_36"/> nicht sagen, dass sie Jungfrauen sind und würde nicht erwähnen, dass sie grosse Brüste haben. Ausserdem, auch wenn der Koran dies nicht ausdrücklich sagt, so erwähnen es [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Sexuality#Paradise|andere islamische Quellen]]. Ein Hadith sagt "Der Gläubige wird so und so viel Kraft erhalten im Paradies für Geschlechtsverkehr". Andere Quellen sagen, dass "der Penis der Auserwählten nie erschlafft" und dass die Männer im Himmel die sexuelle Kraft von 100 Männern haben werden.<ref name="Masabih XLII">"''Der heilige Prophet sagte: 'Die Gläubigen werden so und so viel Kraft erhalten im Paradies für Geschlechtsverkehr. Es wurde gefragt: O Prophet Allahs! Kann er das? Er sagte: "Er wird die Kraft von hundert Personen erhalten.''" - Mishkat al-Masabih Buch IV, Kapitel XLII, Paradies und Hölle, Hadith Nummer 24</ref><ref name=" Religious_Sciences5"></ref><br />
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* {{external_link|url=http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/538.htm |title='72 Black Eyed Virgins': A Muslim Debate on the Rewards of Martyrs |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/538.htm&date=2012-02-23 |archivedate=2012-02-23 |deadurl=no}} <br />
* {{external_link|url=http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2329/does-the-koran-really-promise-islamic-martyrs-72-virgins |title=Does the Koran really promise Islamic martyrs 72 virgins? |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2329/does-the-koran-really-promise-islamic-martyrs-72-virgins&date=2012-02-23 |archivedate=2012-02-23 |deadurl=no}}<br />
* {{external_link|url=http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Abualrub/allah_brothel.htm |title=Have You Been Invited to Allah’s Brothel? |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Abualrub/allah_brothel.htm&date=2012-02-23 |archivedate=2012-02-23 |deadurl=no}}<br />
* {{external_link|url=http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Versions/078.033.html |title=Muslim Mastectomy or The Miracle of Disappearing Breasts |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Versions/078.033.html&date=2012-02-23 |archivedate=2012-02-23 |deadurl=no}} <br />
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;Videos<br />
* {{external_link|url=http://weaselzippers.typepad.com/blog/2009/09/video-saudi-cleric-extols-the-virtues-of-allahs-virgins-in-paradise-they-are-white-women-who-are-men.html |title=Saudi Cleric Extols the Virtues of Allah's Virgins in Paradise, "They are White Women who are Menstruation-Free, Free of Feces, Urine, Phlegm" |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://weaselzippers.typepad.com/blog/2009/09/video-saudi-cleric-extols-the-virtues-of-allahs-virgins-in-paradise-they-are-white-women-who-are-men.html&date=2012-02-23 |archivedate=2012-02-23 |deadurl=no}}<br />
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5pqQIyQfa8 72 wives await the Martyrs for Allah: Six rewards quoted in Hamas TV sermon]<br />
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aolf7qrTM1E ABC's Islam Deception--Part One: Raisins or Virgins in Paradise?]<br />
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb326lP5RPg Dark eyed virgins greet Muslim Martyrs in Paradise]<br />
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;Muslimische Links:<br />
* {{external_link|url=http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/debunking-the-suicide-for-72-virgins-myth/ |title=Debunking the ‘Suicide for 72 Virgins’ Myth |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/debunking-the-suicide-for-72-virgins-myth/&date=2012-02-23 |archivedate=2012-02-23 |deadurl=no}} ''(see [[#Responses_to_Apologetics|Response]] section above)''<br />
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;Humor<br />
Videos: <br />
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cRmPO07U_M Atheist Comedian 72 Virgins in Heaven] ''(5:32)''<br />
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dxpMTFBg48 Family guy - 72 Virgins] ''(0:25)''<br />
Pictures: [http://jot.amid.com/post/51544807/much-to-their-surprise-the-virgins-awaiting much to their surprise...]<br />
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==Referenzen==<br />
{{Reflist|30em}}<br />
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[[Category:Islam und Frauen]]<br />
[[Category:Deutsch (German)]]<br />
[[ru:72 девственницы]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Windows7Guy100&diff=112175User talk:Windows7Guy1002015-04-01T09:03:53Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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There's no evidence that the quote you [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=107190&oldid=107185 added] belongs to Fred Phelps. That website is listed as a sister site of their official website [http://www.godhatesfags.com/faq.html] but that is all. There's no author information on that page so we cannot say its Fred. <br />
<br />
More evidence that its probably someone else writing on the website: [http://www.godhatesislam.com/faq.html FAQ] -- that is their main FAQ page:<br />
: ''"Second, O hypocritical nation, shut the hell up about putting the Mosque down the street, NOT AT, but down the street from Ground Zero. Just shut your rebel, it’s-all-about-me rotting pizza chutes and build the Mosque and leave those people alone. You intolerant bastards and phony Christians. Just shut up! The whole world hates this nation because they are such raging crybabies and hypocrites. You’re getting your asses GodSmacked every day and you stand around crying like little girls over competing false religious systems and their high places?!"''<br />
Once again no authorship and I doubt the above was written by Fred. <br />
<br />
Thats a great page that we have. Let me know of any new additions or add them there directly. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:03, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:This quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=prev&oldid=107202] is not about Islam so I removed it. Please also note that our site does not promote any specific religion. <br />
:Fred Phelps is also a very controversial person and his deeds/sayings and work for WBC are shunned globally as well as in the US (he founded the church):<br />
::''"The church is widely considered to be a hate group".''<br />
:So I would rather not see quotes from him on our site. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:40, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
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I dont understand the addition of this quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Muslims&curid=9454&diff=107201&oldid=101452]. Its not saying a lot about Islam. Can you explain why its a good addition to the page? It looks like a misfit among the other quotes. It focuses on blasphemy. So I feel it should be somewhere but maybe not on that page. Maybe somewhere linked from: [[Free Speech]] --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:47, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Axius. I'm not sure why you "feel it should be somewhere". It appears to be a quote of Cat Stevens using the usual Islamic apologetic technique of tu quoque in order to excuse the fact that he called for the death of Salman Rushdie. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:01, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
Thanks for that update. [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&curid=1534&diff=107213&oldid=107212] I approved it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 14:07, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Your contribution ==<br />
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There's no evidence that the quote you [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=107190&oldid=107185 added] belongs to Fred Phelps. That website is listed as a sister site of their official website [http://www.godhatesfags.com/faq.html] but that is all. There's no author information on that page so we cannot say its Fred. <br />
<br />
More evidence that its probably someone else writing on the website: [http://www.godhatesislam.com/faq.html FAQ] -- that is their main FAQ page:<br />
: ''"Second, O hypocritical nation, shut the hell up about putting the Mosque down the street, NOT AT, but down the street from Ground Zero. Just shut your rebel, it’s-all-about-me rotting pizza chutes and build the Mosque and leave those people alone. You intolerant bastards and phony Christians. Just shut up! The whole world hates this nation because they are such raging crybabies and hypocrites. You’re getting your asses GodSmacked every day and you stand around crying like little girls over competing false religious systems and their high places?!"''<br />
Once again no authorship and I doubt the above was written by Fred. <br />
<br />
Thats a great page that we have. Let me know of any new additions or add them there directly. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:03, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:This quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=prev&oldid=107202] is not about Islam so I removed it. Please also note that our site does not promote any specific religion. <br />
:Fred Phelps is also a very controversial person and his deeds/sayings and work for WBC are shunned globally as well as in the US (he founded the church):<br />
::''"The church is widely considered to be a hate group".''<br />
:So I would rather not see quotes from him on our site. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:40, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
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I dont understand the addition of this quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Muslims&curid=9454&diff=107201&oldid=101452]. Its not saying a lot about Islam. Can you explain why its a good addition to the page? It looks like a misfit among the other quotes. It focuses on blasphemy. So I feel it should be somewhere but maybe not on that page. Maybe somewhere linked from: [[Free Speech]] --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:47, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Axius. It appears to be a quote of Cat Stevens using the usual Islamic apologetic technique of tu quoque in order to excuse the fact that he called for the death of Salman Rushdie. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:01, 1 April 2015 (PDT)<br />
Thanks for that update. [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&curid=1534&diff=107213&oldid=107212] I approved it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 14:07, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Your contribution ==<br />
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Hi Windows7Guy100. Your edits are either factually incorrect, not suitable for this site (i.e. your additions in articles make no sense and you seemingly do not understand what the page is about), or require clean up by other editors, so please do not make any more edits to our main space articles. Thank you. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:01, 1 April 2015 (PDT)</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Windows7Guy100&diff=112173User talk:Windows7Guy1002015-04-01T08:54:47Z<p>Sahab: /* Your contribution */ new section</p>
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<div>==Addition to Notable quotes and other edits==<br />
There's no evidence that the quote you [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=107190&oldid=107185 added] belongs to Fred Phelps. That website is listed as a sister site of their official website [http://www.godhatesfags.com/faq.html] but that is all. There's no author information on that page so we cannot say its Fred. <br />
<br />
More evidence that its probably someone else writing on the website: [http://www.godhatesislam.com/faq.html FAQ] -- that is their main FAQ page:<br />
: ''"Second, O hypocritical nation, shut the hell up about putting the Mosque down the street, NOT AT, but down the street from Ground Zero. Just shut your rebel, it’s-all-about-me rotting pizza chutes and build the Mosque and leave those people alone. You intolerant bastards and phony Christians. Just shut up! The whole world hates this nation because they are such raging crybabies and hypocrites. You’re getting your asses GodSmacked every day and you stand around crying like little girls over competing false religious systems and their high places?!"''<br />
Once again no authorship and I doubt the above was written by Fred. <br />
<br />
Thats a great page that we have. Let me know of any new additions or add them there directly. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:03, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:This quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&diff=prev&oldid=107202] is not about Islam so I removed it. Please also note that our site does not promote any specific religion. <br />
:Fred Phelps is also a very controversial person and his deeds/sayings and work for WBC are shunned globally as well as in the US (he founded the church):<br />
::''"The church is widely considered to be a hate group".''<br />
:So I would rather not see quotes from him on our site. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:40, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
<br />
I dont understand the addition of this quote [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Muslims&curid=9454&diff=107201&oldid=101452]. Its not saying a lot about Islam. Can you explain why its a good addition to the page? It looks like a misfit among the other quotes. It focuses on blasphemy. So I feel it should be somewhere but maybe not on that page. Maybe somewhere linked from: [[Free Speech]] --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:47, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Thanks for that update. [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims&curid=1534&diff=107213&oldid=107212] I approved it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 14:07, 26 April 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Your contribution ==<br />
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Hi Windows7Guy100. Your edits are either factually incorrect, not suitable for this site (i.e. your additions in articles make no sense and you seemingly do not understand what the page is about), or require clean up by other editors, so please do not make any more edits to our main space articles. Thank you.</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=Al-Wala%27_wal-Bara%27_(Loyalty_and_Disavowal)&diff=112168Al-Wala' wal-Bara' (Loyalty and Disavowal)2015-03-31T18:41:18Z<p>Sahab: /* Verse 60:4 */</p>
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<div>Love for the sake of [[Allah]] and hate for the sake of Allah is a requirement for every Muslim. This [[Islam|Islamic]] concept is known as '''Al Wala' Wal Bara'''' (loyalty and disavowal). A Muslim is required to love what Allah loves, and hate what Allah hates.<br />
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==Qur'an==<br />
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===Verse 60:4===<br />
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{{Quote|{{Quran|60|4}}|Indeed, '''there is for you a good example in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people:''' Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and '''enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah alone'''-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming:}}<br />
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====Tafsir of Verse====<br />
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=====Harshness=====<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/8636/2/ Qualities of the Faithful Believers and Their Refinement]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|Allah declares that without doubt, Muhammad is truly His Messenger,<br />
<br />
(Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.) and this quality includes every beautiful description. Allah praises the Companions of the Messenger , may Allah be pleased with them all,<br />
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(And '''those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, merciful among themselves'''.) just as He, the Exalted and Most Honored, said in another Ayah,<br />
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(Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers.)(5:54) '''This is the description of the believers; harsh with the disbelievers, merciful and kind to the believers, angry without smiling before the disbelievers, smiling and beaming with pleasure before his believing brother'''. Allah the Exalted said in another Ayah,<br />
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(O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you.) (9:123) The Prophet said,<br />
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(The parable of the believers in their kindness and mercy for each other, is that of the body: when one of its organs falls ill, the rest of the body responds with fever and sleeplessness.) The Prophet also said,<br />
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(A believer to another believer is like a building whose different parts enforce each other.)}}<br />
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=====Hate=====<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/8801/2/ The Good Example of Ibrahim and His Followers, when They disowned Their Disbelieving People]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|Allah the Exalted says to His faithful servants, whom '''He commanded to disown the disbelievers, to be enemies with them, and to distant themselves and separate from them''':<br />
<br />
(Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim and those with him,) meaning, his followers who believed in him,<br />
<br />
(when they said to their people: "Verily we are free from you...) '''meaning, `we disown you,'''<br />
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(and whatever you worship besides Allah: we rejected you,) meaning, `we disbelieve in your religion and way,'<br />
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(and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever) meaning, `Animosity and enmity have appeared between us and you from now and as long as you remain on your disbelief; '''we will always disown you and hate you''','<br />
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(until you believe in Allah alone,) meaning, `unless, and until, you worship Allah alone without partners and disbelieve in the idols and rivals that you worship besides Him.' Allah's statement,}}<br />
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==Hadith==<br />
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{{Quote|[{{Compendium-of-muslim-texts-base-url}}/hadith/qudsi.php Hadith Qudsi 24]|On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said:<br />
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If Allah has loved a servant [of His] He calls Gabriel (on whom be peace) and says: I love So-and-so, therefore love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So Gabriel loves him. Then he (Gabriel) calls out in heaven, saying: Allah loves So-and-so, therefore love him. And the inhabitants of heaven love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: Then acceptance is established for him on earth. And if Allah has abhorred a servant [of His], He calls Gabriel and says: I abhor So-and-so, therefore abhor him. So Gabriel abhors him. Then Gabriel calls out to the inhabitants of heaven: Allah abhors So-and-so, therefore abhor him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So they abhor him, and abhorrence is established for him on earth.<br />
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It was related by Muslim (also by al-Bukhari, Malik, and at-Tirmidhi).}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Abudawud|40|4664}}|Narrated AbuUmamah:<BR><br />
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If anyone loves for Allah's sake, hates for Allah's sake, gives for Allah's sake and withholds for Allah's sake, he will have perfect faith.}}<br />
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{{Quote|{{Abudawud|40|4582}}|Narrated AbuDharr:<BR><br />
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: The best of the actions is to love for the sake of Allah and to hate for the sake of Allah.}}<br />
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In the following hadith (classed by Al-Albani as "hassan", meaning "good") Ibn Abbas reports that [[Muhammad]] said,<br />
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{{Quote|1=[http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:kr1Dz6F0i2UJ:www.kalamullah.com/Books/Al%2520Wala%2520wal%2520Bara%2520Part%25202.pdf+al+wala+wal+bara&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi13fzRcsT4DnI-E9jWw30aMdIwl7nXcAt43YkE6E4pP3DFXvbHhv3gT0JIhX_1II9SwKshIdgzl1oVEBHRMrlE2brJGS0_FhJMyxCxQwrZvgwLpEbyORLJ_ZIYbThNsVJQX-cX&sig=AHIEtbTCDWRH5lOwxN8kJrzbGYCqpFwTmw At-Tabarani, al-Kabir., as-Suyuti, al-Jami' as-Saghir, 1/69]|2="The strongest bond of faith is loyalty for the sake of Allah and opposition for His sake, love for the sake of Allah and enmity for His sake}}<br />
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Imam Ahmad reports from Jarir ibn Abdullah that Muhammad made him swear an oath to <br />
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{{Quote|Imam Ahmad Hadith|'offer counsel to every Muslim and to steer clear of every disbeliever. '<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani">Dr. Muhammad Saeed Al-Qahtaani - [http://www.muslimtents.com/aminahsworld/Al_wala.html Al-Wala’ Wa’l-Bara’ in Islam] - Translated by: Omar Johnstone</ref>}}<br />
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Ibn Shayba reports that Muhammad said, <br />
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{{Quote|Ibn Shayba hadith|"The strongest bond of faith is love for the sake of Allah and enmity for His sake."<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani"></ref> }} <br />
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{{Quote|{{Abudawud|41|5186}}, See also: {{Muslim|26|5389}} and {{Muslim|26|5390}}|Narrated AbuHurayrah:<BR><br />
Suhayl ibn AbuSalih said: I went out with my father to Syria. The people passed by the cloisters in which there were Christians and began to salute them. My father said: Do not give them salutation first, for AbuHurayrah reported the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) as saying: Do not salute them (Jews and Christians) first, and when you meet them on the road, force them to go to the narrowest part of it.}}<br />
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==Scholars==<br />
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===Ibn Taymiyya=== <br />
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{{Quote|Ibn Taimiya, al-Ihtijaj bil-Qadar, p.62|"The declaration of faith, there is no god but Allah, requires you to love only for the sake of Allah, to hate only for the sake of Allah, to ally yourself only for the sake of Allah, to declare enmity only for the sake of Allah; '''it requires you to love what Allah loves and to hate what Allah hates'''<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani"></ref>}} <br />
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===Ibn Abbas===<br />
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{{Quote|Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali, Jami' al-Ulum wal Hikam, p.30|"Whoever loves for the sake of Allah, and hates for the sake of Allah, and whoever seals a friendship for His sake, or declares an enmity for His sake, will receive, because of this, the protection of Allah. No one may taste true faith except by this, even if his prayers and fasts are many. People have come to build their relationships around the concerns of the world, but it will not benefit them in any way.<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani"></ref>}}<br />
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===Sheikh Hamad Ben Ateeq===<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.slideshare.net/creatorsslave/alwala-walbara-part-1 An-Najaat wal-Fakak, p.14]<br />
|In the Book of Allah (Qur'an) there is no ruling more apparent and significantthan the ruling of al- Wala' Wal Bara', after the requirement of Tawhid and the prohibition of its opposite}}<br />
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===Shaykh Muhammad ibn Abdul Waha===<br />
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{{Quote|Majmuat at-Tawhid, p.19|Islam of a man can never be accepted, even if he abandons polytheism, unless he shows enmity towards the disbelievers and polytheists, as Allah says in Surat al-Muja'dilah, verse: 22,<br />
You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people)}}<br />
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===Ahmad Sirhindi===<br />
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Ahmad Sirhindi (d. 1624) was an Islamic scholar and a prominent Sufi. He is regarded as having rejuvenated Islam, due to which he is commonly called "Mujadid Alf Thani", meaning "reviver of the second millennium".<br />
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{{Quote||''Shariat can be fostered through the sword.<BR><BR><br />
''Kufr'' and Islam are opposed to each other. The progress of one is possible only at the expense of the other and co-existences between these two contradictory faiths in unthinkable.<BR><BR><br />
The honor of Islam lies in insulting ''kufr'' and ''kafirs''. One who respects ''kafirs'', dishonors the Muslims. To respect them does not merely mean honouring them and assigning them a seat of honor in any assembly, but it also implies keeping company with them or showing considerations to them. They should be kept at an arm's length like dogs. ... If some worldly business cannot be performed without them, in that case only a minimum of contact should be established with them but without taking them into confidence. The highest Islamic sentiment asserts that it is better to forego that worldly business and that no relationship should be established with the ''kafirs''.<BR><BR><br />
The real purpose in levying ''jizya'' on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that, on account of fear of ''jizya'', they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honor and might of Islam.<BR><BR><br />
. . .<BR><br />
Whenever a Jew is killed, it is for the benefit of Islam.<ref>Excerpted from Saiyid Athar Abbas Rizvi, ''Muslim Revivalist Movements in Northern India in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries'' (Agra, Lucknow: Agra University, Balkrishna Book Co., 1965), pp.247-50; and Yohanan Friedmann, ''Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi: An Outline of His Thought and a Study of His Image in the Eyes of Posterity'' (Montreal, Quebec: McGill University, Institute of Islamic Studies, 1971), pp. 73-74.</ref>}}<br />
<br />
===Recent Fatwas===<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/11793/ Being friends with non-Muslims]<BR>Shaykh Saleh Munajid, Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 11793|With regard to non-Muslims, the Muslim should disavow himself of them, and he should not feel any love in his heart towards them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):...''[quotes {{Quran|60|1}} below]''<br />
<br />
Something else that will help you to stop mixing with non-Muslims is to remember that these kaafirs – even though they may have good manners and some good qualities – also do a number of seriously wrong things, any one of which is sufficient to nullify any good deeds that they may do. Among these evil things is the belief of the Christians – for example – that God is one of three (trinity), as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):...''[quotes {{Quran|5|73}} below]''<br />
<br />
Even if they give you some of your rights by treating you nicely, they do not give Allaah His rights and they do not give the Qur’aan its rights and they do not give our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) his rights. The rights of Allaah and His Book and His Prophet are more important than our personal rights. Remember this, for this is one of the things that will help you to hate them and regard them as enemies until they believe in Allaah alone, as mentioned in the aayah quoted above (interpretation of the meaning):...''[quotes {{Quran|60|4}} below]''}}<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/47322 Can he pray for his Christian friend to be healed?]<BR>Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 47322|The belief in al-wala’ wa’l-bara’ (loyalty and friendship vs. disavowal and enmity) is one of the most important basic principles of Islam. Just as faith increases and decreases, so too people vary in the extent to which they adhere to this important principle, and their adherence to it increases and decreases. But if this principle is destroyed completely in a person’s heart and he does not do what it implies, this means that faith has been destroyed entirely as well, and faith is the basis on which he loves the close friends of Allaah and hates His enemies. This principle is indicated by a number of verses in the Book of Allaah and ahaadeeth from the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). These include the following:...''[quotes {{Quran|58|22}}, {{Quran|4|144}}, {{Quran|5|51}}, {{Quran|3|118}}, Muslim 1817, Bukhari 415, Muslim 33, below]''<br />
<br />
There are many such reports, which indicates that it is haraam to take the kaafirs as close friends and to love them. This friendship may take many forms, such as approving of their kufr, mixing with them and being friendly towards them, living with them, taking them as close friends, loving them, preferring them to the believers, referring to their laws for judgement and so on. See question no. [http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/2179 2179]. <br />
<br />
From the above, you will see that loving a kaafir is a serious matter, because it goes against one of the most important principles of Tawheed, which is loving and being loyal towards the believers, and disavowing and rejecting the disbelievers.}}<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
{{Hub4|Non-Muslims|Non-Muslims}}<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
*[http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:kr1Dz6F0i2UJ:www.kalamullah.com/Books/Al%2520Wala%2520wal%2520Bara%2520Part%25202.pdf+al+wala+wal+bara&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi13fzRcsT4DnI-E9jWw30aMdIwl7nXcAt43YkE6E4pP3DFXvbHhv3gT0JIhX_1II9SwKshIdgzl1oVEBHRMrlE2brJGS0_FhJMyxCxQwrZvgwLpEbyORLJ_ZIYbThNsVJQX-cX&sig=AHIEtbTCDWRH5lOwxN8kJrzbGYCqpFwTmw AL-WALA' WAL-BARA', by Shaykh Muhammad Saeed Al-Qahtaani]<br />
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==References==<br />
{{reflist}}<br />
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[[Category:Terms and Definitions]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=Al-Wala%27_wal-Bara%27_(Loyalty_and_Disavowal)&diff=112167Al-Wala' wal-Bara' (Loyalty and Disavowal)2015-03-31T18:39:55Z<p>Sahab: /* Tafsir of Verse */ adding highlights</p>
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<div>Love for the sake of [[Allah]] and hate for the sake of Allah is a requirement for every Muslim. This [[Islam|Islamic]] concept is known as '''Al Wala' Wal Bara'''' (loyalty and disavowal). A Muslim is required to love what Allah loves, and hate what Allah hates.<br />
<br />
==Qur'an==<br />
<br />
===Verse 60:4===<br />
<br />
{{Quote|{{Quran|60|4}}|'''Indeed, there is for you a good example in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people:''' Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and '''enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah alone'''-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming:}}<br />
<br />
====Tafsir of Verse====<br />
<br />
=====Harshness=====<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/8636/2/ Qualities of the Faithful Believers and Their Refinement]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|Allah declares that without doubt, Muhammad is truly His Messenger,<br />
<br />
(Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.) and this quality includes every beautiful description. Allah praises the Companions of the Messenger , may Allah be pleased with them all,<br />
<br />
(And '''those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, merciful among themselves'''.) just as He, the Exalted and Most Honored, said in another Ayah,<br />
<br />
(Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers.)(5:54) '''This is the description of the believers; harsh with the disbelievers, merciful and kind to the believers, angry without smiling before the disbelievers, smiling and beaming with pleasure before his believing brother'''. Allah the Exalted said in another Ayah,<br />
<br />
(O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you.) (9:123) The Prophet said,<br />
<br />
(The parable of the believers in their kindness and mercy for each other, is that of the body: when one of its organs falls ill, the rest of the body responds with fever and sleeplessness.) The Prophet also said,<br />
<br />
(A believer to another believer is like a building whose different parts enforce each other.)}}<br />
<br />
=====Hate=====<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/8801/2/ The Good Example of Ibrahim and His Followers, when They disowned Their Disbelieving People]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|Allah the Exalted says to His faithful servants, whom '''He commanded to disown the disbelievers, to be enemies with them, and to distant themselves and separate from them''':<br />
<br />
(Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim and those with him,) meaning, his followers who believed in him,<br />
<br />
(when they said to their people: "Verily we are free from you...) '''meaning, `we disown you,'''<br />
<br />
(and whatever you worship besides Allah: we rejected you,) meaning, `we disbelieve in your religion and way,'<br />
<br />
(and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever) meaning, `Animosity and enmity have appeared between us and you from now and as long as you remain on your disbelief; '''we will always disown you and hate you''','<br />
<br />
(until you believe in Allah alone,) meaning, `unless, and until, you worship Allah alone without partners and disbelieve in the idols and rivals that you worship besides Him.' Allah's statement,}}<br />
<br />
==Hadith==<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[{{Compendium-of-muslim-texts-base-url}}/hadith/qudsi.php Hadith Qudsi 24]|On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said:<br />
<br />
If Allah has loved a servant [of His] He calls Gabriel (on whom be peace) and says: I love So-and-so, therefore love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So Gabriel loves him. Then he (Gabriel) calls out in heaven, saying: Allah loves So-and-so, therefore love him. And the inhabitants of heaven love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: Then acceptance is established for him on earth. And if Allah has abhorred a servant [of His], He calls Gabriel and says: I abhor So-and-so, therefore abhor him. So Gabriel abhors him. Then Gabriel calls out to the inhabitants of heaven: Allah abhors So-and-so, therefore abhor him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So they abhor him, and abhorrence is established for him on earth.<br />
<br />
It was related by Muslim (also by al-Bukhari, Malik, and at-Tirmidhi).}}<br />
<br />
{{Quote|{{Abudawud|40|4664}}|Narrated AbuUmamah:<BR><br />
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If anyone loves for Allah's sake, hates for Allah's sake, gives for Allah's sake and withholds for Allah's sake, he will have perfect faith.}}<br />
<br />
{{Quote|{{Abudawud|40|4582}}|Narrated AbuDharr:<BR><br />
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: The best of the actions is to love for the sake of Allah and to hate for the sake of Allah.}}<br />
<br />
In the following hadith (classed by Al-Albani as "hassan", meaning "good") Ibn Abbas reports that [[Muhammad]] said,<br />
<br />
{{Quote|1=[http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:kr1Dz6F0i2UJ:www.kalamullah.com/Books/Al%2520Wala%2520wal%2520Bara%2520Part%25202.pdf+al+wala+wal+bara&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi13fzRcsT4DnI-E9jWw30aMdIwl7nXcAt43YkE6E4pP3DFXvbHhv3gT0JIhX_1II9SwKshIdgzl1oVEBHRMrlE2brJGS0_FhJMyxCxQwrZvgwLpEbyORLJ_ZIYbThNsVJQX-cX&sig=AHIEtbTCDWRH5lOwxN8kJrzbGYCqpFwTmw At-Tabarani, al-Kabir., as-Suyuti, al-Jami' as-Saghir, 1/69]|2="The strongest bond of faith is loyalty for the sake of Allah and opposition for His sake, love for the sake of Allah and enmity for His sake}}<br />
<br />
Imam Ahmad reports from Jarir ibn Abdullah that Muhammad made him swear an oath to <br />
<br />
{{Quote|Imam Ahmad Hadith|'offer counsel to every Muslim and to steer clear of every disbeliever. '<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani">Dr. Muhammad Saeed Al-Qahtaani - [http://www.muslimtents.com/aminahsworld/Al_wala.html Al-Wala’ Wa’l-Bara’ in Islam] - Translated by: Omar Johnstone</ref>}}<br />
<br />
Ibn Shayba reports that Muhammad said, <br />
<br />
{{Quote|Ibn Shayba hadith|"The strongest bond of faith is love for the sake of Allah and enmity for His sake."<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani"></ref> }} <br />
<br />
{{Quote|{{Abudawud|41|5186}}, See also: {{Muslim|26|5389}} and {{Muslim|26|5390}}|Narrated AbuHurayrah:<BR><br />
Suhayl ibn AbuSalih said: I went out with my father to Syria. The people passed by the cloisters in which there were Christians and began to salute them. My father said: Do not give them salutation first, for AbuHurayrah reported the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) as saying: Do not salute them (Jews and Christians) first, and when you meet them on the road, force them to go to the narrowest part of it.}}<br />
<br />
==Scholars==<br />
<br />
===Ibn Taymiyya=== <br />
<br />
{{Quote|Ibn Taimiya, al-Ihtijaj bil-Qadar, p.62|"The declaration of faith, there is no god but Allah, requires you to love only for the sake of Allah, to hate only for the sake of Allah, to ally yourself only for the sake of Allah, to declare enmity only for the sake of Allah; '''it requires you to love what Allah loves and to hate what Allah hates'''<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani"></ref>}} <br />
<br />
===Ibn Abbas===<br />
<br />
{{Quote|Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali, Jami' al-Ulum wal Hikam, p.30|"Whoever loves for the sake of Allah, and hates for the sake of Allah, and whoever seals a friendship for His sake, or declares an enmity for His sake, will receive, because of this, the protection of Allah. No one may taste true faith except by this, even if his prayers and fasts are many. People have come to build their relationships around the concerns of the world, but it will not benefit them in any way.<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani"></ref>}}<br />
<br />
===Sheikh Hamad Ben Ateeq===<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[http://www.slideshare.net/creatorsslave/alwala-walbara-part-1 An-Najaat wal-Fakak, p.14]<br />
|In the Book of Allah (Qur'an) there is no ruling more apparent and significantthan the ruling of al- Wala' Wal Bara', after the requirement of Tawhid and the prohibition of its opposite}}<br />
<br />
===Shaykh Muhammad ibn Abdul Waha===<br />
<br />
{{Quote|Majmuat at-Tawhid, p.19|Islam of a man can never be accepted, even if he abandons polytheism, unless he shows enmity towards the disbelievers and polytheists, as Allah says in Surat al-Muja'dilah, verse: 22,<br />
You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people)}}<br />
<br />
===Ahmad Sirhindi===<br />
<br />
Ahmad Sirhindi (d. 1624) was an Islamic scholar and a prominent Sufi. He is regarded as having rejuvenated Islam, due to which he is commonly called "Mujadid Alf Thani", meaning "reviver of the second millennium".<br />
<br />
{{Quote||''Shariat can be fostered through the sword.<BR><BR><br />
''Kufr'' and Islam are opposed to each other. The progress of one is possible only at the expense of the other and co-existences between these two contradictory faiths in unthinkable.<BR><BR><br />
The honor of Islam lies in insulting ''kufr'' and ''kafirs''. One who respects ''kafirs'', dishonors the Muslims. To respect them does not merely mean honouring them and assigning them a seat of honor in any assembly, but it also implies keeping company with them or showing considerations to them. They should be kept at an arm's length like dogs. ... If some worldly business cannot be performed without them, in that case only a minimum of contact should be established with them but without taking them into confidence. The highest Islamic sentiment asserts that it is better to forego that worldly business and that no relationship should be established with the ''kafirs''.<BR><BR><br />
The real purpose in levying ''jizya'' on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that, on account of fear of ''jizya'', they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honor and might of Islam.<BR><BR><br />
. . .<BR><br />
Whenever a Jew is killed, it is for the benefit of Islam.<ref>Excerpted from Saiyid Athar Abbas Rizvi, ''Muslim Revivalist Movements in Northern India in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries'' (Agra, Lucknow: Agra University, Balkrishna Book Co., 1965), pp.247-50; and Yohanan Friedmann, ''Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi: An Outline of His Thought and a Study of His Image in the Eyes of Posterity'' (Montreal, Quebec: McGill University, Institute of Islamic Studies, 1971), pp. 73-74.</ref>}}<br />
<br />
===Recent Fatwas===<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/11793/ Being friends with non-Muslims]<BR>Shaykh Saleh Munajid, Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 11793|With regard to non-Muslims, the Muslim should disavow himself of them, and he should not feel any love in his heart towards them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):...''[quotes {{Quran|60|1}} below]''<br />
<br />
Something else that will help you to stop mixing with non-Muslims is to remember that these kaafirs – even though they may have good manners and some good qualities – also do a number of seriously wrong things, any one of which is sufficient to nullify any good deeds that they may do. Among these evil things is the belief of the Christians – for example – that God is one of three (trinity), as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):...''[quotes {{Quran|5|73}} below]''<br />
<br />
Even if they give you some of your rights by treating you nicely, they do not give Allaah His rights and they do not give the Qur’aan its rights and they do not give our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) his rights. The rights of Allaah and His Book and His Prophet are more important than our personal rights. Remember this, for this is one of the things that will help you to hate them and regard them as enemies until they believe in Allaah alone, as mentioned in the aayah quoted above (interpretation of the meaning):...''[quotes {{Quran|60|4}} below]''}}<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/47322 Can he pray for his Christian friend to be healed?]<BR>Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 47322|The belief in al-wala’ wa’l-bara’ (loyalty and friendship vs. disavowal and enmity) is one of the most important basic principles of Islam. Just as faith increases and decreases, so too people vary in the extent to which they adhere to this important principle, and their adherence to it increases and decreases. But if this principle is destroyed completely in a person’s heart and he does not do what it implies, this means that faith has been destroyed entirely as well, and faith is the basis on which he loves the close friends of Allaah and hates His enemies. This principle is indicated by a number of verses in the Book of Allaah and ahaadeeth from the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). These include the following:...''[quotes {{Quran|58|22}}, {{Quran|4|144}}, {{Quran|5|51}}, {{Quran|3|118}}, Muslim 1817, Bukhari 415, Muslim 33, below]''<br />
<br />
There are many such reports, which indicates that it is haraam to take the kaafirs as close friends and to love them. This friendship may take many forms, such as approving of their kufr, mixing with them and being friendly towards them, living with them, taking them as close friends, loving them, preferring them to the believers, referring to their laws for judgement and so on. See question no. [http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/2179 2179]. <br />
<br />
From the above, you will see that loving a kaafir is a serious matter, because it goes against one of the most important principles of Tawheed, which is loving and being loyal towards the believers, and disavowing and rejecting the disbelievers.}}<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
{{Hub4|Non-Muslims|Non-Muslims}}<br />
<br />
==External Links==<br />
*[http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:kr1Dz6F0i2UJ:www.kalamullah.com/Books/Al%2520Wala%2520wal%2520Bara%2520Part%25202.pdf+al+wala+wal+bara&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi13fzRcsT4DnI-E9jWw30aMdIwl7nXcAt43YkE6E4pP3DFXvbHhv3gT0JIhX_1II9SwKshIdgzl1oVEBHRMrlE2brJGS0_FhJMyxCxQwrZvgwLpEbyORLJ_ZIYbThNsVJQX-cX&sig=AHIEtbTCDWRH5lOwxN8kJrzbGYCqpFwTmw AL-WALA' WAL-BARA', by Shaykh Muhammad Saeed Al-Qahtaani]<br />
<br />
==References==<br />
{{reflist}}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Terms and Definitions]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=Al-Wala%27_wal-Bara%27_(Loyalty_and_Disavowal)&diff=112166Al-Wala' wal-Bara' (Loyalty and Disavowal)2015-03-31T18:34:04Z<p>Sahab: using shakir translation (easier to understand) and highlighting the relevant parts. also fixing the mess Abu Bilal8 made of the page's formatting. see: WikiIslam:Formatting</p>
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<div>Love for the sake of [[Allah]] and hate for the sake of Allah is a requirement for every Muslim. This [[Islam|Islamic]] concept is known as '''Al Wala' Wal Bara'''' (loyalty and disavowal). A Muslim is required to love what Allah loves, and hate what Allah hates.<br />
<br />
==Qur'an==<br />
<br />
===Verse 60:4===<br />
<br />
{{Quote|{{Quran|60|4}}|'''Indeed, there is for you a good example in Ibrahim and those with him when they said to their people:''' Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; we declare ourselves to be clear of you, and '''enmity and hatred have appeared between us and you forever until you believe in Allah alone'''-- but not in what Ibrahim said to his father: I would certainly ask forgiveness for you, and I do not control for you aught from Allah-- Our Lord! on Thee do we rely, and to Thee do we turn, and to Thee is the eventual coming:}}<br />
<br />
====Tafsir of Verse====<br />
<br />
=====Harshness=====<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/8636/2/ Qualities of the Faithful Believers and Their Refinement]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|Allah declares that without doubt, Muhammad is truly His Messenger,<br />
<br />
(Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.) and this quality includes every beautiful description. Allah praises the Companions of the Messenger , may Allah be pleased with them all,<br />
<br />
(And those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, merciful among themselves.) just as He, the Exalted and Most Honored, said in another Ayah,<br />
<br />
(Allah will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers.)(5:54) This is the description of the believers; harsh with the disbelievers, merciful and kind to the believers, angry without smiling before the disbelievers, smiling and beaming with pleasure before his believing brother. Allah the Exalted said in another Ayah,<br />
<br />
(O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you.) (9:123) The Prophet said,<br />
<br />
(The parable of the believers in their kindness and mercy for each other, is that of the body: when one of its organs falls ill, the rest of the body responds with fever and sleeplessness.) The Prophet also said,<br />
<br />
(A believer to another believer is like a building whose different parts enforce each other.)}}<br />
<br />
=====Hate=====<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[http://www.theholybook.org/content/view/8801/2/ The Good Example of Ibrahim and His Followers, when They disowned Their Disbelieving People]<BR>Tafsir Ibn Kathir|Allah the Exalted says to His faithful servants, whom He commanded to disown the disbelievers, to be enemies with them, and to distant themselves and separate from them:<br />
<br />
(Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim and those with him,) meaning, his followers who believed in him,<br />
<br />
(when they said to their people: "Verily we are free from you...'') meaning, `we disown you,'<br />
<br />
(and whatever you worship besides Allah: we rejected you,) meaning, `we disbelieve in your religion and way,'<br />
<br />
(and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever) meaning, `Animosity and enmity have appeared between us and you from now and as long as you remain on your disbelief; we will always disown you and hate you,'<br />
<br />
(until you believe in Allah alone,) meaning, `unless, and until, you worship Allah alone without partners and disbelieve in the idols and rivals that you worship besides Him.' Allah's statement,}}<br />
<br />
==Hadith==<br />
<br />
{{Quote|[{{Compendium-of-muslim-texts-base-url}}/hadith/qudsi.php Hadith Qudsi 24]|On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said:<br />
<br />
If Allah has loved a servant [of His] He calls Gabriel (on whom be peace) and says: I love So-and-so, therefore love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So Gabriel loves him. Then he (Gabriel) calls out in heaven, saying: Allah loves So-and-so, therefore love him. And the inhabitants of heaven love him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: Then acceptance is established for him on earth. And if Allah has abhorred a servant [of His], He calls Gabriel and says: I abhor So-and-so, therefore abhor him. So Gabriel abhors him. Then Gabriel calls out to the inhabitants of heaven: Allah abhors So-and-so, therefore abhor him. He (the Prophet pbuh) said: So they abhor him, and abhorrence is established for him on earth.<br />
<br />
It was related by Muslim (also by al-Bukhari, Malik, and at-Tirmidhi).}}<br />
<br />
{{Quote|{{Abudawud|40|4664}}|Narrated AbuUmamah:<BR><br />
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If anyone loves for Allah's sake, hates for Allah's sake, gives for Allah's sake and withholds for Allah's sake, he will have perfect faith.}}<br />
<br />
{{Quote|{{Abudawud|40|4582}}|Narrated AbuDharr:<BR><br />
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: The best of the actions is to love for the sake of Allah and to hate for the sake of Allah.}}<br />
<br />
In the following hadith (classed by Al-Albani as "hassan", meaning "good") Ibn Abbas reports that [[Muhammad]] said,<br />
<br />
{{Quote|1=[http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:kr1Dz6F0i2UJ:www.kalamullah.com/Books/Al%2520Wala%2520wal%2520Bara%2520Part%25202.pdf+al+wala+wal+bara&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESi13fzRcsT4DnI-E9jWw30aMdIwl7nXcAt43YkE6E4pP3DFXvbHhv3gT0JIhX_1II9SwKshIdgzl1oVEBHRMrlE2brJGS0_FhJMyxCxQwrZvgwLpEbyORLJ_ZIYbThNsVJQX-cX&sig=AHIEtbTCDWRH5lOwxN8kJrzbGYCqpFwTmw At-Tabarani, al-Kabir., as-Suyuti, al-Jami' as-Saghir, 1/69]|2="The strongest bond of faith is loyalty for the sake of Allah and opposition for His sake, love for the sake of Allah and enmity for His sake}}<br />
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Imam Ahmad reports from Jarir ibn Abdullah that Muhammad made him swear an oath to <br />
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{{Quote|Imam Ahmad Hadith|'offer counsel to every Muslim and to steer clear of every disbeliever. '<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani">Dr. Muhammad Saeed Al-Qahtaani - [http://www.muslimtents.com/aminahsworld/Al_wala.html Al-Wala’ Wa’l-Bara’ in Islam] - Translated by: Omar Johnstone</ref>}}<br />
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Ibn Shayba reports that Muhammad said, <br />
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{{Quote|Ibn Shayba hadith|"The strongest bond of faith is love for the sake of Allah and enmity for His sake."<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani"></ref> }} <br />
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{{Quote|{{Abudawud|41|5186}}, See also: {{Muslim|26|5389}} and {{Muslim|26|5390}}|Narrated AbuHurayrah:<BR><br />
Suhayl ibn AbuSalih said: I went out with my father to Syria. The people passed by the cloisters in which there were Christians and began to salute them. My father said: Do not give them salutation first, for AbuHurayrah reported the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) as saying: Do not salute them (Jews and Christians) first, and when you meet them on the road, force them to go to the narrowest part of it.}}<br />
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==Scholars==<br />
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===Ibn Taymiyya=== <br />
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{{Quote|Ibn Taimiya, al-Ihtijaj bil-Qadar, p.62|"The declaration of faith, there is no god but Allah, requires you to love only for the sake of Allah, to hate only for the sake of Allah, to ally yourself only for the sake of Allah, to declare enmity only for the sake of Allah; '''it requires you to love what Allah loves and to hate what Allah hates'''<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani"></ref>}} <br />
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===Ibn Abbas===<br />
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{{Quote|Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali, Jami' al-Ulum wal Hikam, p.30|"Whoever loves for the sake of Allah, and hates for the sake of Allah, and whoever seals a friendship for His sake, or declares an enmity for His sake, will receive, because of this, the protection of Allah. No one may taste true faith except by this, even if his prayers and fasts are many. People have come to build their relationships around the concerns of the world, but it will not benefit them in any way.<ref name="Muhammad Saeed Al Qahtaani"></ref>}}<br />
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===Sheikh Hamad Ben Ateeq===<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.slideshare.net/creatorsslave/alwala-walbara-part-1 An-Najaat wal-Fakak, p.14]<br />
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===Shaykh Muhammad ibn Abdul Waha===<br />
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{{Quote|Majmuat at-Tawhid, p.19|Islam of a man can never be accepted, even if he abandons polytheism, unless he shows enmity towards the disbelievers and polytheists, as Allah says in Surat al-Muja'dilah, verse: 22,<br />
You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred (people)}}<br />
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===Ahmad Sirhindi===<br />
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Ahmad Sirhindi (d. 1624) was an Islamic scholar and a prominent Sufi. He is regarded as having rejuvenated Islam, due to which he is commonly called "Mujadid Alf Thani", meaning "reviver of the second millennium".<br />
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''Kufr'' and Islam are opposed to each other. The progress of one is possible only at the expense of the other and co-existences between these two contradictory faiths in unthinkable.<BR><BR><br />
The honor of Islam lies in insulting ''kufr'' and ''kafirs''. One who respects ''kafirs'', dishonors the Muslims. To respect them does not merely mean honouring them and assigning them a seat of honor in any assembly, but it also implies keeping company with them or showing considerations to them. They should be kept at an arm's length like dogs. ... If some worldly business cannot be performed without them, in that case only a minimum of contact should be established with them but without taking them into confidence. The highest Islamic sentiment asserts that it is better to forego that worldly business and that no relationship should be established with the ''kafirs''.<BR><BR><br />
The real purpose in levying ''jizya'' on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that, on account of fear of ''jizya'', they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honor and might of Islam.<BR><BR><br />
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Whenever a Jew is killed, it is for the benefit of Islam.<ref>Excerpted from Saiyid Athar Abbas Rizvi, ''Muslim Revivalist Movements in Northern India in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries'' (Agra, Lucknow: Agra University, Balkrishna Book Co., 1965), pp.247-50; and Yohanan Friedmann, ''Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi: An Outline of His Thought and a Study of His Image in the Eyes of Posterity'' (Montreal, Quebec: McGill University, Institute of Islamic Studies, 1971), pp. 73-74.</ref>}}<br />
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===Recent Fatwas===<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/11793/ Being friends with non-Muslims]<BR>Shaykh Saleh Munajid, Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 11793|With regard to non-Muslims, the Muslim should disavow himself of them, and he should not feel any love in his heart towards them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):...''[quotes {{Quran|60|1}} below]''<br />
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Something else that will help you to stop mixing with non-Muslims is to remember that these kaafirs – even though they may have good manners and some good qualities – also do a number of seriously wrong things, any one of which is sufficient to nullify any good deeds that they may do. Among these evil things is the belief of the Christians – for example – that God is one of three (trinity), as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):...''[quotes {{Quran|5|73}} below]''<br />
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Even if they give you some of your rights by treating you nicely, they do not give Allaah His rights and they do not give the Qur’aan its rights and they do not give our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) his rights. The rights of Allaah and His Book and His Prophet are more important than our personal rights. Remember this, for this is one of the things that will help you to hate them and regard them as enemies until they believe in Allaah alone, as mentioned in the aayah quoted above (interpretation of the meaning):...''[quotes {{Quran|60|4}} below]''}}<br />
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{{Quote|[http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/47322 Can he pray for his Christian friend to be healed?]<BR>Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 47322|The belief in al-wala’ wa’l-bara’ (loyalty and friendship vs. disavowal and enmity) is one of the most important basic principles of Islam. Just as faith increases and decreases, so too people vary in the extent to which they adhere to this important principle, and their adherence to it increases and decreases. But if this principle is destroyed completely in a person’s heart and he does not do what it implies, this means that faith has been destroyed entirely as well, and faith is the basis on which he loves the close friends of Allaah and hates His enemies. This principle is indicated by a number of verses in the Book of Allaah and ahaadeeth from the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). These include the following:...''[quotes {{Quran|58|22}}, {{Quran|4|144}}, {{Quran|5|51}}, {{Quran|3|118}}, Muslim 1817, Bukhari 415, Muslim 33, below]''<br />
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There are many such reports, which indicates that it is haraam to take the kaafirs as close friends and to love them. This friendship may take many forms, such as approving of their kufr, mixing with them and being friendly towards them, living with them, taking them as close friends, loving them, preferring them to the believers, referring to their laws for judgement and so on. See question no. [http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/2179 2179]. <br />
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From the above, you will see that loving a kaafir is a serious matter, because it goes against one of the most important principles of Tawheed, which is loving and being loyal towards the believers, and disavowing and rejecting the disbelievers.}}<br />
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<div><p class="lead">'''Арабският език ''' ('''اللغة العربية''' ''ал-лугату л-ʿарабиийах'' или просто '''عربي''' ''араби'') се явява говорим за около 150 милиона души и е най-ползвания език от групата на семитските езици, по брой ползващи го.<ref>MSN Encarta, проверено 27-ми декември 2010г. - [http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html Arabic(Англ.)](архивно копие на [http://web.archive.org/web/20110604064258/http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html оригинала(Англ.)] от 4-ти Юни 2011г.)</ref> <br />
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== История на езика ==<br />
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По произход и генетична класификация принадлежи към групата на централносемитските езици, заедно с иврит и арамейски.Модерният арабски се явява макро език за 27 подгрупи като езиков стандарт ISO 639-3. Той е извлечен от класическия арабски ,който често е наричан "кораничен арабски" и е единственият оцелял от групата на северните аравийски диалекти на арабския език, явява се също и литературен и литургичен език в Исляма, наложен е в 7-ми век след Христа.<br />
Подобно на латинският в Западна Европа и арабския език има голямо влияние върху езиците в ислямския свят, в речника на който ще намерите голям запас от арабизми.<br />
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== Оправдателно изискване за изучаване на езика ==<br />
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Много често от устата на ислямските апологети(защитници) ще чуете твърдението, че правилното разбиране на Корана е възможно само след като се прочете на оригиналния арабски, че всички преводи са неточни и всяка критика на исляма няма смисъл, ако човек не знае езика - класическия арабски. Този метод на защита е несъстоятелен по няколко причини:<br />
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* Аятите са били написани в епохата на Мухаммад на класическия за времето арабски, приет по време на самото рецитиране(низпославане) - без [http://rechnik.info/диакритичен диакритични] знаци, [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Арабска_азбука#/media/File:Arabic_script_evolution.svg точки] и гласни звуци (в арабската писменост няма гласни), необходими за правилното разбиране на текста, което доказателство не е в полза на неговата божествена яснота. <ref> ”СМЪРТТА МУ ИЗПРЕВАРВА СЪБИРАНЕТО В ЦЯЛОСТЕН РЪКОПИС <br />
На низпосланите коранични текстове и постепенно възниква опасност от изопачаване и забравяне на автентичните откровения. В устните варианти на Свещената книга, запаметени от достопочтените сподвижници, Аллах да е доволен от тях, се наблюдавали отделни несходства, а и записите на някои текстове допускали разночетения поради несъвършенството на арабското писмо през онази епоха, особено поради липсата на диакритични знаци. Около 633 г. Омар ибн ал-Хаттаб, близък съратник на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, и бъдещ втори халиф, убеждава тогавашния повелител на вярващите Абу Бакр да се погрижи за съхраняването на кораничните знамения. Въпреки че се колебаел да вземе решение по въпрос, който не е обсъждан с Пратеника на Аллах, صلى الله عليه وسلم, Абу Бакр възлага на младия Зайд ибн Сабит, бивш секретар на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, да събере различните източници на Корана. Той изпълнява повелята с изключителна добросъвестност и съставя безспорен автентичен вариант, преписи от който се разпращат до ал-Басра, ал-Куфа и Дамаск, а всички други копия се унищожават. През X в. текстът окончателно се потвърждава от авторитета на седем всепризнати богослови, всеки от които работел с по двама компетентни четци.” [http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/uvod.html - Предговор към Корана от проф.д-р Цветан Теофанов] или [https://books.google.ie/books?id=0EJHwIAUlzgC&pg=PA14&dq=Смъртта+му+изпреварва+събирането+в+цялостен+ръкопис&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GegKVYbWBqbn7gbBgIHwBQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%D0%A1%D0%BC%D1%8A%D1%80%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0%20%D0%BC%D1%83%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B0%20%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%20%D1%86%D1%8F%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D1%8A%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81&f=false Свещен КОРАН,превод Цветан Теофанов,стр.14-15] </ref><br />
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* Ако не можете да критикувате исляма, понеже не разбирате и не знаете класическият кораничен арабски (можете да разберете погрешно Исляма), то следва по същата причина да е не възможно, да разпространявате Исляма, защото ще го разпространите грешно. Но нито един мюсюлманин не би се съгласил с това, защото повечето от тях не разбират модерния арабски език, пък да не говорим за класически кораничен арабски.<br />
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* По принцип не е възможно да се научи език, който не разполага с ясен превод, така че този, който настоява, че критикуващите Исляма трябва "да владеят до съвършенство арабски език", за да разберат Корана, прави [[Логическа заблуда|логическа грешка]]. Той или трябва да признае, че оригиналният език на Корана е преводим (в този случай не е необходимо да учите арабски) или да приеме факта, че който не говори арабски език, не може да бъде мюсюлманин (тъй като в този случай Корана ще бъде достъпен и разбран само за говорящите до съвършенство езика).<br />
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* Арабският език, не се различава по нищо от другите и подобно на всички други езици, също може да бъде превеждан. За критиците и последователи на юдаизма, християнството и индуизма не е необходимо да учат иврит, гръцки или санскрит, за да разберат смисъла на религиозните текстове. Същото важи и за исляма.<br />
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* Много преводи са смекчени, с цел [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Прозелитизъм прозелитизъм] и пропаганда, за да са по-приемливи за по-широка аудитория.Примерите могат да са много, но и тези са показателни:<br />
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#В английски превод на стиха 4:34<ref name="u1">{{cite web|quote=Yusuf Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=34|title= - Verse (4:34) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u2">{{cite web|quote=004.034 <br />
YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/004-qmt.php#004.034|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 4|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана, според който на истинския мюсюлманин е позволено да бие жена си, но преводача Абдула Юсуф Али добавя от себе си думата lightly(леко).<ref>"..beat them (LIGHTLY)" - "..бийте ги (леко).."</ref><ref name="u1" /><ref name="u2" /> Подобно нещо се вижда и в българският превод на ает 4:34<ref name="u3">{{cite web|quote=34 Мъжете стоят над жените с това, с което Аллах предпочете едни пред други и защото харчат от имотите си. Целомъдрените жени са послушни, пазят съкровеното си, както Аллах ги е запазил. А онези, от чието непокорство се страхувате, увещавайте, [после] се отдръпнете от тях в постелите, и [АКО ТРЯБВА] ги удряйте! А покорят ли ви се, не търсете средство против тях! Аллах е всевишен, превелик.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/4.An-Nisa.htm|title= Свещен Коран - Превод проф. д-р. Цветан Теофанов |author= 4. Сура Жените (Ан-Ниса)1 - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> от Корана, където преводача проф.д-р. Цветан Теофанов добава от себе си думите [ако трябва]<ref>"..и [ако трябва] ги удряйте!.."</ref><ref name="u3" /><br />
#В английски превод на стиха(аета) 9:5<ref name="u4">{{cite web|quote=YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.005|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 9|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u5">{{cite web|quote= <br />
Yusuf Ali: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5|title= - Verse (9:5) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана и думата Kill,Slay(убивайте)<ref>{{cite web|quote= <br />
"83 times as the form I verb qatala (قَتَلَ)/Превод:83 пъти по форма I глагола гатала(убиване)",<br />
"Verb (form I) - to kill/Превод:Глагол (форма I) - да убие",<br />
"(9:5:5) fa-uq'tulū - then kill - ..فَاقْتُلُوا../Превод:(9:5:5) фа-угтулю - тогава убий - ..тогава убий(от арабски език)" |url= http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=qtl#(9:5:5)|title= Quran Dictionary - ق ت ل |deadurl=no}}</ref> в знаменития (ает на меча)<ref>{{cite web|quote=5.А изтекат ли месеците на възбрана, убивайте съдружаващите, където ги сварите, и ги хващайте, и ги обграждайте, и ги причаквайте на всяко място за засада! И щом се покаят и отслужват молитвата, и дават милостинята закат, сторете им път! Аллах е опрощаващ, милосърден.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/9.At-Tauba.htm|title=Коран на Български език|author= 9. Сура Покаянието (Ат-Тауба) - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> е омекотена с добавената дума Fight(бори,бий,сражавай) от преводача Абдуллах Юсуф Али<ref>"..then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them.."/Превод:"..след това се (бори,бий,сражавай) и убий езичниците, където ги намерите.."</ref><ref name="u4" /><ref name="u5" />, за да изглежда като убийство по време на военна битка. <br />
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*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm#arabic "Коранът може само да се разбира на Арабски език"] ''- [[The Religion Of Peace]]''<br />
*[http://www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon (Download)] ''- Най-почитаните и научно подкрепени речници на арабски език''<br />
*[http://kalamullah.com/Books/Hans-Wehr.pdf The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic] ''- 40 MB Downloadable PDF file''<br />
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==Източници==<br />
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[[Category:Български (Bulgarian)]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BA&diff=112161Арабски език2015-03-31T15:35:02Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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<div><p class="lead">'''Арабският език ''' ('''اللغة العربية''' ''ал-лугату л-ʿарабиийах'' или просто '''عربي''' ''араби'') се явява говорим за около 150 милиона души и е най-ползвания език от групата на семитските езици, по брой ползващи го.<ref>MSN Encarta, проверено 27-ми декември 2010г. - [http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html Arabic(Англ.)](архивно копие на [http://web.archive.org/web/20110604064258/http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html оригинала(Англ.)] от 4-ти Юни 2011г.)</ref> <br />
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== История на езика ==<br />
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По произход и генетична класификация принадлежи към групата на централносемитските езици, заедно с иврит и арамейски.Модерният арабски се явява макро език за 27 подгрупи като езиков стандарт ISO 639-3. Той е извлечен от класическия арабски ,който често е наричан "кораничен арабски" и е единственият оцелял от групата на северните аравийски диалекти на арабския език, явява се също и литературен и литургичен език в Исляма, наложен е в 7-ми век след Христа.<br />
Подобно на латинският в Западна Европа и арабския език има голямо влияние върху езиците в ислямския свят, в речника на който ще намерите голям запас от арабизми.<br />
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== Оправдателно изискване за изучаване на езика ==<br />
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Много често от устата на ислямските апологети(защитници) ще чуете твърдението, че правилното разбиране на Корана е възможно само след като се прочете на оригиналния арабски, че всички преводи са неточни и всяка критика на исляма няма смисъл, ако човек не знае езика - класическия арабски. Този метод на защита е несъстоятелен по няколко причини:<br />
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* Аятите са били написани в епохата на Мухаммад на класическия за времето арабски, приет по време на самото рецитиране(низпославане) - без [http://rechnik.info/диакритичен диакритични] знаци, [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Арабска_азбука#/media/File:Arabic_script_evolution.svg точки] и гласни звуци (в арабската писменост няма гласни), необходими за правилното разбиране на текста, което доказателство не е в полза на неговата божествена яснота. <ref> ”СМЪРТТА МУ ИЗПРЕВАРВА СЪБИРАНЕТО В ЦЯЛОСТЕН РЪКОПИС <br />
На низпосланите коранични текстове и постепенно възниква опасност от изопачаване и забравяне на автентичните откровения. В устните варианти на Свещената книга, запаметени от достопочтените сподвижници, Аллах да е доволен от тях, се наблюдавали отделни несходства, а и записите на някои текстове допускали разночетения поради несъвършенството на арабското писмо през онази епоха, особено поради липсата на диакритични знаци. Около 633 г. Омар ибн ал-Хаттаб, близък съратник на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, и бъдещ втори халиф, убеждава тогавашния повелител на вярващите Абу Бакр да се погрижи за съхраняването на кораничните знамения. Въпреки че се колебаел да вземе решение по въпрос, който не е обсъждан с Пратеника на Аллах, صلى الله عليه وسلم, Абу Бакр възлага на младия Зайд ибн Сабит, бивш секретар на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, да събере различните източници на Корана. Той изпълнява повелята с изключителна добросъвестност и съставя безспорен автентичен вариант, преписи от който се разпращат до ал-Басра, ал-Куфа и Дамаск, а всички други копия се унищожават. През X в. текстът окончателно се потвърждава от авторитета на седем всепризнати богослови, всеки от които работел с по двама компетентни четци.” [http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/uvod.html - Предговор към Корана от проф.д-р Цветан Теофанов] или [https://books.google.ie/books?id=0EJHwIAUlzgC&pg=PA14&dq=Смъртта+му+изпреварва+събирането+в+цялостен+ръкопис&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GegKVYbWBqbn7gbBgIHwBQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%D0%A1%D0%BC%D1%8A%D1%80%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0%20%D0%BC%D1%83%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B0%20%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%20%D1%86%D1%8F%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D1%8A%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81&f=false Свещен КОРАН,превод Цветан Теофанов,стр.14-15] </ref><br />
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* Ако не можете да критикувате исляма, понеже не разбирате и не знаете класическият кораничен арабски (можете да разберете погрешно Исляма), то следва по същата причина да е не възможно, да разпространявате Исляма, защото ще го разпространите грешно. Но нито един мюсюлманин не би се съгласил с това, защото повечето от тях не разбират модерния арабски език, пък да не говорим за класически кораничен арабски.<br />
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* По принцип не е възможно да се научи език, който не разполага с ясен превод, така че този, който настоява, че критикуващите Исляма трябва "да владеят до съвършенство арабски език", за да разберат Корана, прави [[Логическа заблуда|логическа грешка]]. Той или трябва да признае, че оригиналният език на Корана е преводим (в този случай не е необходимо да учите арабски) или да приеме факта, че който не говори арабски език, не може да бъде мюсюлманин (тъй като в този случай Корана ще бъде достъпен и разбран само за говорящите до съвършенство езика).<br />
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* Арабският език, не се различава по нищо от другите и подобно на всички други езици, също може да бъде превеждан. За критиците и последователи на юдаизма, християнството и индуизма не е необходимо да учат иврит, гръцки или санскрит, за да разберат смисъла на религиозните текстове. Същото важи и за исляма.<br />
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* Много преводи са смекчени, с цел [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Прозелитизъм прозелитизъм] и пропаганда, за да са по-приемливи за по-широка аудитория.Примерите могат да са много, но и тези са показателни:<br />
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#В английски превод на стиха 4:34<ref name="u1">{{cite web|quote=Yusuf Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=34|title= - Verse (4:34) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u2">{{cite web|quote=004.034 <br />
YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/004-qmt.php#004.034|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 4|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана, според който на истинския мюсюлманин е позволено да бие жена си, но преводача Абдула Юсуф Али добавя от себе си думата lightly(леко).<ref>"..beat them (LIGHTLY)" - "..бийте ги (леко).."</ref><ref name="u1" /><ref name="u2" /> Подобно нещо се вижда и в българският превод на ает 4:34<ref name="u3">{{cite web|quote=34 Мъжете стоят над жените с това, с което Аллах предпочете едни пред други и защото харчат от имотите си. Целомъдрените жени са послушни, пазят съкровеното си, както Аллах ги е запазил. А онези, от чието непокорство се страхувате, увещавайте, [после] се отдръпнете от тях в постелите, и [АКО ТРЯБВА] ги удряйте! А покорят ли ви се, не търсете средство против тях! Аллах е всевишен, превелик.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/4.An-Nisa.htm|title= Свещен Коран - Превод проф. д-р. Цветан Теофанов |author= 4. Сура Жените (Ан-Ниса)1 - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> от Корана, където преводача проф.д-р. Цветан Теофанов добава от себе си думите [ако трябва]<ref>"..и [ако трябва] ги удряйте!.."</ref><ref name="u3" /><br />
#В английски превод на стиха(аета) 9:5<ref name="u4">{{cite web|quote=YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.005|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 9|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u5">{{cite web|quote= <br />
Yusuf Ali: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5|title= - Verse (9:5) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана и думата Kill,Slay(убивайте)<ref>{{cite web|quote= <br />
"83 times as the form I verb qatala (قَتَلَ)/Превод:83 пъти по форма I глагола гатала(убиване)",<br />
"Verb (form I) - to kill/Превод:Глагол (форма I) - да убие",<br />
"(9:5:5) fa-uq'tulū - then kill - ..فَاقْتُلُوا../Превод:(9:5:5) фа-угтулю - тогава убий - ..тогава убий(от арабски език)" |url= http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=qtl#(9:5:5)|title= Quran Dictionary - ق ت ل |deadurl=no}}</ref> в знаменития (ает на меча)<ref>{{cite web|quote=5.А изтекат ли месеците на възбрана, убивайте съдружаващите, където ги сварите, и ги хващайте, и ги обграждайте, и ги причаквайте на всяко място за засада! И щом се покаят и отслужват молитвата, и дават милостинята закат, сторете им път! Аллах е опрощаващ, милосърден.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/9.At-Tauba.htm|title=Коран на Български език|author= 9. Сура Покаянието (Ат-Тауба) - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> е омекотена с добавената дума Fight(бори,бий,сражавай) от преводача Абдуллах Юсуф Али<ref>"..then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them.."/Превод:"..след това се (бори,бий,сражавай) и убий езичниците, където ги намерите.."</ref><ref name="u4" /><ref name="u5" />, за да изглежда като убийство по време на военна битка. <br />
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*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm#arabic "Коранът може само да се разбира на Арабски език"] ''- [[The Religion Of Peace]]''<br />
*[http://www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon (Download)] ''- Най-почитаните и научно подкрепени речници на арабски език''<br />
*[http://kalamullah.com/Books/Hans-Wehr.pdf The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic] ''- 40 MB Downloadable PDF file''<br />
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<div><p class="lead">'''Арабският език ''' ('''اللغة العربية''' ''ал-лугату л-ʿарабиийах'' или просто '''عربي''' ''араби'') се явява говорим за около 150 милиона души и е най-ползвания език от групата на семитските езици, по брой ползващи го.<ref>MSN Encarta, проверено 27-ми декември 2010г. - [http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html Arabic(Англ.)](архивно копие на [http://web.archive.org/web/20110604064258/http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html оригинала(Англ.)] от 4-ти Юни 2011г.)</ref> <br />
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== История на езика ==<br />
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По произход и генетична класификация принадлежи към групата на централносемитските езици, заедно с иврит и арамейски.Модерният арабски се явява макро език за 27 подгрупи като езиков стандарт ISO 639-3. Той е извлечен от класическия арабски ,който често е наричан "кораничен арабски" и е единственият оцелял от групата на северните аравийски диалекти на арабския език, явява се също и литературен и литургичен език в Исляма, наложен е в 7-ми век след Христа.<br />
Подобно на латинският в Западна Европа и арабския език има голямо влияние върху езиците в ислямския свят, в речника на който ще намерите голям запас от арабизми.<br />
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== Оправдателно изискване за изучаване на езика ==<br />
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Много често от устата на ислямските апологети(защитници) ще чуете твърдението, че правилното разбиране на Корана е възможно само след като се прочете на оригиналния арабски, че всички преводи са неточни и всяка критика на исляма няма смисъл, ако човек не знае езика - класическия арабски. Този метод на защита е несъстоятелен по няколко причини:<br />
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* Аятите са били написани в епохата на Мухаммад на класическия за времето арабски, приет по време на самото рецитиране(низпославане) - без [http://rechnik.info/диакритичен диакритични] знаци, [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Арабска_азбука#/media/File:Arabic_script_evolution.svg точки] и гласни звуци (в арабската писменост няма гласни), необходими за правилното разбиране на текста, което доказателство не е в полза на неговата божествена яснота. <ref> ”СМЪРТТА МУ ИЗПРЕВАРВА СЪБИРАНЕТО В ЦЯЛОСТЕН РЪКОПИС <br />
На низпосланите коранични текстове и постепенно възниква опасност от изопачаване и забравяне на автентичните откровения. В устните варианти на Свещената книга, запаметени от достопочтените сподвижници, Аллах да е доволен от тях, се наблюдавали отделни несходства, а и записите на някои текстове допускали разночетения поради несъвършенството на арабското писмо през онази епоха, особено поради липсата на диакритични знаци. Около 633 г. Омар ибн ал-Хаттаб, близък съратник на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, и бъдещ втори халиф, убеждава тогавашния повелител на вярващите Абу Бакр да се погрижи за съхраняването на кораничните знамения. Въпреки че се колебаел да вземе решение по въпрос, който не е обсъждан с Пратеника на Аллах, صلى الله عليه وسلم, Абу Бакр възлага на младия Зайд ибн Сабит, бивш секретар на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, да събере различните източници на Корана. Той изпълнява повелята с изключителна добросъвестност и съставя безспорен автентичен вариант, преписи от който се разпращат до ал-Басра, ал-Куфа и Дамаск, а всички други копия се унищожават. През X в. текстът окончателно се потвърждава от авторитета на седем всепризнати богослови, всеки от които работел с по двама компетентни четци.” [http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/uvod.html - Предговор към Корана от проф.д-р Цветан Теофанов] или [https://books.google.ie/books?id=0EJHwIAUlzgC&pg=PA14&dq=Смъртта+му+изпреварва+събирането+в+цялостен+ръкопис&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GegKVYbWBqbn7gbBgIHwBQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%D0%A1%D0%BC%D1%8A%D1%80%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0%20%D0%BC%D1%83%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B0%20%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%20%D1%86%D1%8F%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D1%8A%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81&f=false Свещен КОРАН,превод Цветан Теофанов,стр.14-15] </ref><br />
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* Ако не можете да критикувате исляма, понеже не разбирате и не знаете класическият кораничен арабски (можете да разберете погрешно Исляма), то следва по същата причина да е не възможно, да разпространявате Исляма, защото ще го разпространите грешно. Но нито един мюсюлманин не би се съгласил с това, защото повечето от тях не разбират модерния арабски език, пък да не говорим за класически кораничен арабски.<br />
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* По принцип не е възможно да се научи език, който не разполага с ясен превод, така че този, който настоява, че критикуващите Исляма трябва "да владеят до съвършенство арабски език", за да разберат Корана, прави [[Логическа заблуда|логическа грешка]]. Той или трябва да признае, че оригиналният език на Корана е преводим (в този случай не е необходимо да учите арабски) или да приеме факта, че който не говори арабски език, не може да бъде мюсюлманин (тъй като в този случай Корана ще бъде достъпен и разбран само за говорящите до съвършенство езика).<br />
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* Арабският език, не се различава по нищо от другите и подобно на всички други езици, също може да бъде превеждан. За критиците и последователи на юдаизма, християнството и индуизма не е необходимо да учат иврит, гръцки или санскрит, за да разберат смисъла на религиозните текстове. Същото важи и за исляма.<br />
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* Много преводи са смекчени, с цел [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Прозелитизъм прозелитизъм] и пропаганда, за да са по-приемливи за по-широка аудитория.Примерите могат да са много, но и тези са показателни:<br />
#В английски превод на стиха 4:34<ref name="u1">{{cite web|quote=Yusuf Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=34|title= - Verse (4:34) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u2">{{cite web|quote=004.034 <br />
YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/004-qmt.php#004.034|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 4|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана, според който на истинския мюсюлманин е позволено да бие жена си, но преводача Абдула Юсуф Али добавя от себе си думата lightly(леко).<ref>"..beat them (LIGHTLY)" - "..бийте ги (леко).."</ref><ref name="u1" /><ref name="u2" /> Подобно нещо се вижда и в българският превод на ает 4:34<ref name="u3">{{cite web|quote=34 Мъжете стоят над жените с това, с което Аллах предпочете едни пред други и защото харчат от имотите си. Целомъдрените жени са послушни, пазят съкровеното си, както Аллах ги е запазил. А онези, от чието непокорство се страхувате, увещавайте, [после] се отдръпнете от тях в постелите, и [АКО ТРЯБВА] ги удряйте! А покорят ли ви се, не търсете средство против тях! Аллах е всевишен, превелик.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/4.An-Nisa.htm|title= Свещен Коран - Превод проф. д-р. Цветан Теофанов |author= 4. Сура Жените (Ан-Ниса)1 - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> от Корана, където преводача проф.д-р. Цветан Теофанов добава от себе си думите [ако трябва]<ref>"..и [ако трябва] ги удряйте!.."</ref><ref name="u3" /><br />
#В английски превод на стиха(аета) 9:5<ref name="u4">{{cite web|quote=YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.005|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 9|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u5">{{cite web|quote= <br />
Yusuf Ali: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5|title= - Verse (9:5) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана и думата Kill,Slay(убивайте)<ref>{{cite web|quote= <br />
"83 times as the form I verb qatala (قَتَلَ)/Превод:83 пъти по форма I глагола гатала(убиване)",<br />
"Verb (form I) - to kill/Превод:Глагол (форма I) - да убие",<br />
"(9:5:5) fa-uq'tulū - then kill - ..فَاقْتُلُوا../Превод:(9:5:5) фа-угтулю - тогава убий - ..тогава убий(от арабски език)" |url= http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=qtl#(9:5:5)|title= Quran Dictionary - ق ت ل |deadurl=no}}</ref> в знаменития (ает на меча)<ref>{{cite web|quote=5.А изтекат ли месеците на възбрана, убивайте съдружаващите, където ги сварите, и ги хващайте, и ги обграждайте, и ги причаквайте на всяко място за засада! И щом се покаят и отслужват молитвата, и дават милостинята закат, сторете им път! Аллах е опрощаващ, милосърден.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/9.At-Tauba.htm|title=Коран на Български език|author= 9. Сура Покаянието (Ат-Тауба) - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> е омекотена с добавената дума Fight(бори,бий,сражавай) от преводача Абдуллах Юсуф Али<ref>"..then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them.."/Превод:"..след това се (бори,бий,сражавай) и убий езичниците, където ги намерите.."</ref><ref name="u4" /><ref name="u5" />, за да изглежда като убийство по време на военна битка. <br />
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* [[Статии на Български - Articles in Bulgarian|Статии на Български (Articles in Bulgarian)]]<br />
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==Външни препратки(Английски)==<br />
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*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm#arabic "Коранът може само да се разбира на Арабски език"] ''- [[The Religion Of Peace]]''<br />
*[http://www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon (Download)] ''- Най-почитаните и научно подкрепени речници на арабски език''<br />
*[http://kalamullah.com/Books/Hans-Wehr.pdf The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic] ''- 40 MB Downloadable PDF file''<br />
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[[Category:Български (Bulgarian)]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=Arabic&diff=112159Arabic2015-03-31T15:34:27Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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<div>'''Arabic''' ('''اللغة العربية''' ''al-luġatu l-ʿarabiyyah'' or just '''عربي''' ''arabī'') is today spoken natively by 150 million people,<ref>[http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html Dictionary/ Arabic] - MSN Encarta, accessed December 27, 2010</ref> making it the largest living member of the Semitic languages family in terms of speakers. <br />
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Classified as Central Semitic, it is closely related to Hebrew and Aramaic. Modern Arabic is classified as a macrolanguage with 27 sub-languages in ISO 639-3.<br />
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Modern Standard Arabic derives from Classical Arabic, often referred to as "[[Qur'an|Qur'anic]] Arabic", the only surviving member of the Old North Arabian dialect group, attested epigraphically since the 6<sup>th</sup> century, which has been a literary language and the liturgical language of [[Islam]] since the 7<sup>th</sup> century CE. <br />
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Arabic has lent many words to other languages of the Islamic world, akin to the role Latin has in Western European languages. <br />
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Some apologists claim that the Qur'an can only be properly understood in its original Arabic form. Thus all translations are unreliable, and all criticism of Islam is invalid unless one studies and understands Classical Arabic. There are several problems with this claim: <br />
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Original Qur'anic (Classical) Arabic was [[Diacritical Marks of the Qur'an|without punctuation, dots or vowels]] which had to be added for proper understanding, a finger to its not so divine clarity. <br />
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If you cannot criticize Islam unless you know Classical Arabic (because your understanding of what Islam is may be erroneous), then it logically follows that you cannot propagate Islam unless you know Classical Arabic (because your understanding of what Islam is may be erroneous). No Muslim would agree to that because most Muslims do not understand Modern Arabic, let alone Classical Arabic. <br />
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It is not possible for anyone to learn a language that cannot be translated into the only one they do know, which means those who insist that one "must learn Arabic” in order to understand the Qur’an are committing a [[Logical Fallacies|logical fallacy]]. Either the Arabic of the Qur'an is translatable (in which case there is no need to learn Arabic) or it is not (in which case it can never be learned by the non-native speaker).<br />
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The Arabic language is no different to other languages; if other languages can be translated accurately, then so can Arabic. Critics or adherents of Judaism, Christianity and Hinduism do not need to speak Hebrew, Greek or Sanskrit in order to understand these faiths, and the same applies to Islam. <br />
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Furthermore, translations were, and still are, always softened so to be more acceptable to a general audience, like the "lightly" added to {{Quran|4|34}} by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, allowing to [[Wife Beating in Islam|beat]] one's wife. The word 'Kill' was also softened into '[[The Meaning of Qatal|fight]]' like in {{Quran|9|5}}.<br />
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==External Links==<br />
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*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm#arabic "The Qur'an Can Only be Understood in Arabic"] ''- [[The Religion Of Peace]]''<br />
*[http://www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon (Download)] ''- The most revered and scholarly dictionary of the Arabic language''<br />
*[http://kalamullah.com/Books/Hans-Wehr.pdf The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic] ''- 40 MB Downloadable PDF file''<br />
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[[ru:Арабский язык]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BA&diff=112158Арабски език2015-03-31T15:32:50Z<p>Sahab: Sahab moved page WikiIslam:Sandbox/Арабски език to Арабски език over a redirect without leaving a redirect</p>
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<p class="lead">'''Арабският език ''' ('''اللغة العربية''' ''ал-лугату л-ʿарабиийах'' или просто '''عربي''' ''араби'') се явява говорим за около 150 милиона души и е най-ползвания език от групата на семитските езици, по брой ползващи го.<ref>MSN Encarta, проверено 27-ми декември 2010г. - [http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html Arabic(Англ.)](архивно копие на [http://web.archive.org/web/20110604064258/http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html оригинала(Англ.)] от 4-ти Юни 2011г.)</ref> <br />
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== История на езика ==<br />
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По произход и генетична класификация принадлежи към групата на централносемитските езици, заедно с иврит и арамейски.Модерният арабски се явява макро език за 27 подгрупи като езиков стандарт ISO 639-3. Той е извлечен от класическия арабски ,който често е наричан "кораничен арабски" и е единственият оцелял от групата на северните аравийски диалекти на арабския език, явява се също и литературен и литургичен език в Исляма, наложен е в 7-ми век след Христа.<br />
Подобно на латинският в Западна Европа и арабския език има голямо влияние върху езиците в ислямския свят, в речника на който ще намерите голям запас от арабизми.<br />
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== Оправдателно изискване за изучаване на езика ==<br />
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Много често от устата на ислямските апологети(защитници) ще чуете твърдението, че правилното разбиране на Корана е възможно само след като се прочете на оригиналния арабски, че всички преводи са неточни и всяка критика на исляма няма смисъл, ако човек не знае езика - класическия арабски. Този метод на защита е несъстоятелен по няколко причини:<br />
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* Аятите са били написани в епохата на Мухаммад на класическия за времето арабски, приет по време на самото рецитиране(низпославане) - без [http://rechnik.info/диакритичен диакритични] знаци, [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Арабска_азбука#/media/File:Arabic_script_evolution.svg точки] и гласни звуци (в арабската писменост няма гласни), необходими за правилното разбиране на текста, което доказателство не е в полза на неговата божествена яснота. <ref> ”СМЪРТТА МУ ИЗПРЕВАРВА СЪБИРАНЕТО В ЦЯЛОСТЕН РЪКОПИС <br />
На низпосланите коранични текстове и постепенно възниква опасност от изопачаване и забравяне на автентичните откровения. В устните варианти на Свещената книга, запаметени от достопочтените сподвижници, Аллах да е доволен от тях, се наблюдавали отделни несходства, а и записите на някои текстове допускали разночетения поради несъвършенството на арабското писмо през онази епоха, особено поради липсата на диакритични знаци. Около 633 г. Омар ибн ал-Хаттаб, близък съратник на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, и бъдещ втори халиф, убеждава тогавашния повелител на вярващите Абу Бакр да се погрижи за съхраняването на кораничните знамения. Въпреки че се колебаел да вземе решение по въпрос, който не е обсъждан с Пратеника на Аллах, صلى الله عليه وسلم, Абу Бакр възлага на младия Зайд ибн Сабит, бивш секретар на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, да събере различните източници на Корана. Той изпълнява повелята с изключителна добросъвестност и съставя безспорен автентичен вариант, преписи от който се разпращат до ал-Басра, ал-Куфа и Дамаск, а всички други копия се унищожават. През X в. текстът окончателно се потвърждава от авторитета на седем всепризнати богослови, всеки от които работел с по двама компетентни четци.” [http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/uvod.html - Предговор към Корана от проф.д-р Цветан Теофанов] или [https://books.google.ie/books?id=0EJHwIAUlzgC&pg=PA14&dq=Смъртта+му+изпреварва+събирането+в+цялостен+ръкопис&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GegKVYbWBqbn7gbBgIHwBQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%D0%A1%D0%BC%D1%8A%D1%80%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0%20%D0%BC%D1%83%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B0%20%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%20%D1%86%D1%8F%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D1%8A%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81&f=false Свещен КОРАН,превод Цветан Теофанов,стр.14-15] </ref><br />
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* Ако не можете да критикувате исляма, понеже не разбирате и не знаете класическият кораничен арабски (можете да разберете погрешно Исляма), то следва по същата причина да е не възможно, да разпространявате Исляма, защото ще го разпространите грешно. Но нито един мюсюлманин не би се съгласил с това, защото повечето от тях не разбират модерния арабски език, пък да не говорим за класически кораничен арабски.<br />
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* По принцип не е възможно да се научи език, който не разполага с ясен превод, така че този, който настоява, че критикуващите Исляма трябва "да владеят до съвършенство арабски език", за да разберат Корана, прави [[Логическа заблуда|логическа грешка]]. Той или трябва да признае, че оригиналният език на Корана е преводим (в този случай не е необходимо да учите арабски) или да приеме факта, че който не говори арабски език, не може да бъде мюсюлманин (тъй като в този случай Корана ще бъде достъпен и разбран само за говорящите до съвършенство езика).<br />
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* Арабският език, не се различава по нищо от другите и подобно на всички други езици, също може да бъде превеждан. За критиците и последователи на юдаизма, християнството и индуизма не е необходимо да учат иврит, гръцки или санскрит, за да разберат смисъла на религиозните текстове. Същото важи и за исляма.<br />
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* Много преводи са смекчени, с цел [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Прозелитизъм прозелитизъм] и пропаганда, за да са по-приемливи за по-широка аудитория.Примерите могат да са много, но и тези са показателни:<br />
#В английски превод на стиха 4:34<ref name="u1">{{cite web|quote=Yusuf Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=34|title= - Verse (4:34) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u2">{{cite web|quote=004.034 <br />
YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/004-qmt.php#004.034|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 4|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана, според който на истинския мюсюлманин е позволено да бие жена си, но преводача Абдула Юсуф Али добавя от себе си думата lightly(леко).<ref>"..beat them (LIGHTLY)" - "..бийте ги (леко).."</ref><ref name="u1" /><ref name="u2" /> Подобно нещо се вижда и в българският превод на ает 4:34<ref name="u3">{{cite web|quote=34 Мъжете стоят над жените с това, с което Аллах предпочете едни пред други и защото харчат от имотите си. Целомъдрените жени са послушни, пазят съкровеното си, както Аллах ги е запазил. А онези, от чието непокорство се страхувате, увещавайте, [после] се отдръпнете от тях в постелите, и [АКО ТРЯБВА] ги удряйте! А покорят ли ви се, не търсете средство против тях! Аллах е всевишен, превелик.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/4.An-Nisa.htm|title= Свещен Коран - Превод проф. д-р. Цветан Теофанов |author= 4. Сура Жените (Ан-Ниса)1 - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> от Корана, където преводача проф.д-р. Цветан Теофанов добава от себе си думите [ако трябва]<ref>"..и [ако трябва] ги удряйте!.."</ref><ref name="u3" /><br />
#В английски превод на стиха(аета) 9:5<ref name="u4">{{cite web|quote=YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.005|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 9|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u5">{{cite web|quote= <br />
Yusuf Ali: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5|title= - Verse (9:5) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана и думата Kill,Slay(убивайте)<ref>{{cite web|quote= <br />
"83 times as the form I verb qatala (قَتَلَ)/Превод:83 пъти по форма I глагола гатала(убиване)",<br />
"Verb (form I) - to kill/Превод:Глагол (форма I) - да убие",<br />
"(9:5:5) fa-uq'tulū - then kill - ..فَاقْتُلُوا../Превод:(9:5:5) фа-угтулю - тогава убий - ..тогава убий(от арабски език)" |url= http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=qtl#(9:5:5)|title= Quran Dictionary - ق ت ل |deadurl=no}}</ref> в знаменития (ает на меча)<ref>{{cite web|quote=5.А изтекат ли месеците на възбрана, убивайте съдружаващите, където ги сварите, и ги хващайте, и ги обграждайте, и ги причаквайте на всяко място за засада! И щом се покаят и отслужват молитвата, и дават милостинята закат, сторете им път! Аллах е опрощаващ, милосърден.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/9.At-Tauba.htm|title=Коран на Български език|author= 9. Сура Покаянието (Ат-Тауба) - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> е омекотена с добавената дума Fight(бори,бий,сражавай) от преводача Абдуллах Юсуф Али<ref>"..then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them.."/Превод:"..след това се (бори,бий,сражавай) и убий езичниците, където ги намерите.."</ref><ref name="u4" /><ref name="u5" />, за да изглежда като убийство по време на военна битка. <br />
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==Вижте също==<br />
* [[Статии на Български - Articles in Bulgarian|Статии на Български (Articles in Bulgarian)]]<br />
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==Външни препратки(Английски)==<br />
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*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm#arabic "Коранът може само да се разбира на Арабски език"] ''- [[The Religion Of Peace]]''<br />
*[http://www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon (Download)] ''- Най-почитаните и научно подкрепени речници на арабски език''<br />
*[http://kalamullah.com/Books/Hans-Wehr.pdf The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic] ''- 40 MB Downloadable PDF file''<br />
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==Източници==<br />
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[[Category:Български (Bulgarian)]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%BA&diff=112153Арабски език2015-03-30T12:19:09Z<p>Sahab: </p>
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<p class="lead">'''Арабският език ''' ('''اللغة العربية''' ''ал-лугату л-ʿарабиийах'' или просто '''عربي''' ''араби'') се явява говорим за около 150 милиона души и е най-ползвания език от групата на семитските езици, по брой ползващи го.<ref>MSN Encarta, проверено 27-ми декември 2010г. - [http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html Arabic(Англ.)](архивно копие на [http://web.archive.org/web/20110604064258/http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html оригинала(Англ.)] от 4-ти Юни 2011г.)</ref> <br />
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== История на езика ==<br />
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По произход и генетична класификация принадлежи към групата на централносемитските езици, заедно с иврит и арамейски.Модерният арабски се явява макро език за 27 подгрупи като езиков стандарт ISO 639-3. Той е извлечен от класическия арабски ,който често е наричан "кораничен арабски" и е единственият оцелял от групата на северните аравийски диалекти на арабския език, явява се също и литературен и литургичен език в Исляма, наложен е в 7-ми век след Христа.<br />
Подобно на латинският в Западна Европа и арабския език има голямо влияние върху езиците в ислямския свят, в речника на който ще намерите голям запас от арабизми.<br />
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== Оправдателно изискване за изучаване на езика ==<br />
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Много често от устата на ислямските апологети(защитници) ще чуете твърдението, че правилното разбиране на Корана е възможно само след като се прочете на оригиналния арабски, че всички преводи са неточни и всяка критика на исляма няма смисъл, ако човек не знае езика - класическия арабски. Този метод на защита е несъстоятелен по няколко причини:<br />
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* Аятите са били написани в епохата на Мухаммад на класическия за времето арабски, приет по време на самото рецитиране(низпославане) - без [http://rechnik.info/диакритичен диакритични] знаци, [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Арабска_азбука#/media/File:Arabic_script_evolution.svg точки] и гласни звуци (в арабската писменост няма гласни), необходими за правилното разбиране на текста, което доказателство не е в полза на неговата божествена яснота. <ref> ”СМЪРТТА МУ ИЗПРЕВАРВА СЪБИРАНЕТО В ЦЯЛОСТЕН РЪКОПИС <br />
На низпосланите коранични текстове и постепенно възниква опасност от изопачаване и забравяне на автентичните откровения. В устните варианти на Свещената книга, запаметени от достопочтените сподвижници, Аллах да е доволен от тях, се наблюдавали отделни несходства, а и записите на някои текстове допускали разночетения поради несъвършенството на арабското писмо през онази епоха, особено поради липсата на диакритични знаци. Около 633 г. Омар ибн ал-Хаттаб, близък съратник на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, и бъдещ втори халиф, убеждава тогавашния повелител на вярващите Абу Бакр да се погрижи за съхраняването на кораничните знамения. Въпреки че се колебаел да вземе решение по въпрос, който не е обсъждан с Пратеника на Аллах, صلى الله عليه وسلم, Абу Бакр възлага на младия Зайд ибн Сабит, бивш секретар на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, да събере различните източници на Корана. Той изпълнява повелята с изключителна добросъвестност и съставя безспорен автентичен вариант, преписи от който се разпращат до ал-Басра, ал-Куфа и Дамаск, а всички други копия се унищожават. През X в. текстът окончателно се потвърждава от авторитета на седем всепризнати богослови, всеки от които работел с по двама компетентни четци.” [http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/uvod.html - Предговор към Корана от проф.д-р Цветан Теофанов] или [https://books.google.ie/books?id=0EJHwIAUlzgC&pg=PA14&dq=Смъртта+му+изпреварва+събирането+в+цялостен+ръкопис&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GegKVYbWBqbn7gbBgIHwBQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%D0%A1%D0%BC%D1%8A%D1%80%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0%20%D0%BC%D1%83%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B0%20%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%20%D1%86%D1%8F%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D1%8A%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81&f=false Свещен КОРАН,превод Цветан Теофанов,стр.14-15] </ref><br />
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* Ако не можете да критикувате исляма, понеже не разбирате и не знаете класическият кораничен арабски (можете да разберете погрешно Исляма), то следва по същата причина да е не възможно, да разпространявате Исляма, защото ще го разпространите грешно. Но нито един мюсюлманин не би се съгласил с това, защото повечето от тях не разбират модерния арабски език, пък да не говорим за класически кораничен арабски.<br />
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* По принцип не е възможно да се научи език, който не разполага с ясен превод, така че този, който настоява, че критикуващите Исляма трябва "да владеят до съвършенство арабски език", за да разберат Корана, прави [[Логическа заблуда|логическа грешка]]. Той или трябва да признае, че оригиналният език на Корана е преводим (в този случай не е необходимо да учите арабски) или да приеме факта, че който не говори арабски език, не може да бъде мюсюлманин (тъй като в този случай Корана ще бъде достъпен и разбран само за говорящите до съвършенство езика).<br />
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* Арабският език, не се различава по нищо от другите и подобно на всички други езици, също може да бъде превеждан. За критиците и последователи на юдаизма, християнството и индуизма не е необходимо да учат иврит, гръцки или санскрит, за да разберат смисъла на религиозните текстове. Същото важи и за исляма.<br />
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* Много преводи са смекчени, с цел [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Прозелитизъм прозелитизъм] и пропаганда, за да са по-приемливи за по-широка аудитория.Примерите могат да са много, но и тези са показателни:<br />
#В английски превод на стиха 4:34<ref name="u1">{{cite web|quote=Yusuf Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=34|title= - Verse (4:34) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u2">{{cite web|quote=004.034 <br />
YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/004-qmt.php#004.034|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 4|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана, според който на истинския мюсюлманин е позволено да бие жена си, но преводача Абдула Юсуф Али добавя от себе си думата lightly(леко).<ref>"..beat them (LIGHTLY)" - "..бийте ги (леко).."</ref><ref name="u1" /><ref name="u2" /> Подобно нещо се вижда и в българският превод на ает 4:34<ref name="u3">{{cite web|quote=34 Мъжете стоят над жените с това, с което Аллах предпочете едни пред други и защото харчат от имотите си. Целомъдрените жени са послушни, пазят съкровеното си, както Аллах ги е запазил. А онези, от чието непокорство се страхувате, увещавайте, [после] се отдръпнете от тях в постелите, и [АКО ТРЯБВА] ги удряйте! А покорят ли ви се, не търсете средство против тях! Аллах е всевишен, превелик.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/4.An-Nisa.htm|title= Свещен Коран - Превод проф. д-р. Цветан Теофанов |author= 4. Сура Жените (Ан-Ниса)1 - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> от Корана, където преводача проф.д-р. Цветан Теофанов добава от себе си думите [ако трябва]<ref>"..и [ако трябва] ги удряйте!.."</ref><ref name="u3" /><br />
#В английски превод на стиха(аета) 9:5<ref name="u4">{{cite web|quote=YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.005|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 9|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u5">{{cite web|quote= <br />
Yusuf Ali: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5|title= - Verse (9:5) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана и думата Kill,Slay(убивайте)<ref>{{cite web|quote= <br />
"83 times as the form I verb qatala (قَتَلَ)/Превод:83 пъти по форма I глагола гатала(убиване)",<br />
"Verb (form I) - to kill/Превод:Глагол (форма I) - да убие",<br />
"(9:5:5) fa-uq'tulū - then kill - ..فَاقْتُلُوا../Превод:(9:5:5) фа-угтулю - тогава убий - ..тогава убий(от арабски език)" |url= http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=qtl#(9:5:5)|title= Quran Dictionary - ق ت ل |deadurl=no}}</ref> в знаменития (ает на меча)<ref>{{cite web|quote=5.А изтекат ли месеците на възбрана, убивайте съдружаващите, където ги сварите, и ги хващайте, и ги обграждайте, и ги причаквайте на всяко място за засада! И щом се покаят и отслужват молитвата, и дават милостинята закат, сторете им път! Аллах е опрощаващ, милосърден.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/9.At-Tauba.htm|title=Коран на Български език|author= 9. Сура Покаянието (Ат-Тауба) - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> е омекотена с добавената дума Fight(бори,бий,сражавай) от преводача Абдуллах Юсуф Али<ref>"..then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them.."/Превод:"..след това се (бори,бий,сражавай) и убий езичниците, където ги намерите.."</ref><ref name="u4" /><ref name="u5" />, за да изглежда като убийство по време на военна битка. <br />
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== Любопитно ==<br />
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След като преводите на Корана направени от Елмир Гулиев(Эльмиром Кулиевым), бяха обявени за екстремистки и мюсюлманите веднага започнаха да се придържат към противоположното мнение:"Забраната за превод на Корана е забрана на Корана"<ref>Руски Телевизионен Канал «Глазами мусульман Татарстана»:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCk2htFhVns Забранен ли е Корана в Русия](Руски език) — YouTube, 16-ти Ноември 2013г.( [http://web.archive.org/web/20110604064258/http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html архивно копие] от 17-ти Ноември 2013г.)</ref><ref>[http://www.gazeta.ru/social/2013/10/03/5680425.shtml Отношение к критериям экстремизма всегда будет субъективным](Руски език)</ref><ref>[http://www.beladusham.com/0165.html Критики «ваххабитского» перевода Корана — мелкие стукачи](Руски език)</ref><ref>[http://www.regnum.ru/news/society/1746367.html Запрет на перевод Корана Эльмиром Кулиевым отменён судом (Кубань) ](Руски език)</ref> По този начин, в повечето случаи, признаването или не признаването на семантичен превод е показателно за целта на всеки един мюсюлманин: '''когато трябва да се защитят от критиката към исляма - преводите не са признават за правилни, а когато бяха забранени самите преводи, те изведнъж станаха тъждествени и верни с Корана.'''<br />
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==Вижте също==<br />
* [[Статии на Български - Articles in Bulgarian|Статии на Български (Articles in Bulgarian)]]<br />
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==Външни препратки(Английски)==<br />
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*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm#arabic "Коранът може само да се разбира на Арабски език"] ''- [[The Religion Of Peace]]''<br />
*[http://www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon (Download)] ''- Най-почитаните и научно подкрепени речници на арабски език''<br />
*[http://kalamullah.com/Books/Hans-Wehr.pdf The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic] ''- 40 MB Downloadable PDF file''<br />
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==Източници==<br />
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<div><p class="lead">'''Арабският език ''' ('''اللغة العربية''' ''ал-лугату л-ʿарабиийах'' или просто '''عربي''' ''араби'') се явява говорим за около 150 милиона души и е най-ползвания език от групата на семитските езици, по брой ползващи го.<ref>MSN Encarta, проверено 27-ми декември 2010г. - [http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html Arabic(Англ.)](архивно копие на [http://web.archive.org/web/20110604064258/http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html оригинала(Англ.)] от 4-ти Юни 2011г.)</ref> <br />
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== История на езика ==<br />
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По произход и генетична класификация принадлежи към групата на централносемитските езици, заедно с иврит и арамейски.Модерният арабски се явява макро език за 27 подгрупи като езиков стандарт ISO 639-3. Той е извлечен от класическия арабски ,който често е наричан "кораничен арабски" и е единственият оцелял от групата на северните аравийски диалекти на арабския език, явява се също и литературен и литургичен език в Исляма, наложен е в 7-ми век след Христа.<br />
Подобно на латинският в Западна Европа и арабския език има голямо влияние върху езиците в ислямския свят, в речника на който ще намерите голям запас от арабизми.<br />
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== Оправдателно изискване за изучаване на езика ==<br />
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Много често от устата на ислямските апологети(защитници) ще чуете твърдението, че правилното разбиране на Корана е възможно само след като се прочете на оригиналния арабски, че всички преводи са неточни и всяка критика на исляма няма смисъл, ако човек не знае езика - класическия арабски. Този метод на защита е несъстоятелен по няколко причини:<br />
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* Аятите са били написани в епохата на Мухаммад на класическия за времето арабски, приет по време на самото рецитиране(низпославане) - без [http://rechnik.info/диакритичен диакритични] знаци, [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Арабска_азбука#/media/File:Arabic_script_evolution.svg точки] и гласни звуци (в арабската писменост няма гласни), необходими за правилното разбиране на текста, което доказателство не е в полза на неговата божествена яснота. <ref> ”СМЪРТТА МУ ИЗПРЕВАРВА СЪБИРАНЕТО В ЦЯЛОСТЕН РЪКОПИС <br />
На низпосланите коранични текстове и постепенно възниква опасност от изопачаване и забравяне на автентичните откровения. В устните варианти на Свещената книга, запаметени от достопочтените сподвижници, Аллах да е доволен от тях, се наблюдавали отделни несходства, а и записите на някои текстове допускали разночетения поради несъвършенството на арабското писмо през онази епоха, особено поради липсата на диакритични знаци. Около 633 г. Омар ибн ал-Хаттаб, близък съратник на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, и бъдещ втори халиф, убеждава тогавашния повелител на вярващите Абу Бакр да се погрижи за съхраняването на кораничните знамения. Въпреки че се колебаел да вземе решение по въпрос, който не е обсъждан с Пратеника на Аллах, صلى الله عليه وسلم, Абу Бакр възлага на младия Зайд ибн Сабит, бивш секретар на Пророка, صلى الله عليه وسلم, да събере различните източници на Корана. Той изпълнява повелята с изключителна добросъвестност и съставя безспорен автентичен вариант, преписи от който се разпращат до ал-Басра, ал-Куфа и Дамаск, а всички други копия се унищожават. През X в. текстът окончателно се потвърждава от авторитета на седем всепризнати богослови, всеки от които работел с по двама компетентни четци.” [http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/uvod.html - Предговор към Корана от проф.д-р Цветан Теофанов] или [https://books.google.ie/books?id=0EJHwIAUlzgC&pg=PA14&dq=Смъртта+му+изпреварва+събирането+в+цялостен+ръкопис&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GegKVYbWBqbn7gbBgIHwBQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%D0%A1%D0%BC%D1%8A%D1%80%D1%82%D1%82%D0%B0%20%D0%BC%D1%83%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B0%20%D1%81%D1%8A%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%B2%20%D1%86%D1%8F%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BD%20%D1%80%D1%8A%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81&f=false Свещен КОРАН,превод Цветан Теофанов,стр.14-15] </ref><br />
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* Ако не можете да критикувате исляма, понеже не разбирате и не знаете класическият кораничен арабски (можете да разберете погрешно Исляма), то следва по същата причина да е не възможно, да разпространявате Исляма, защото ще го разпространите грешно. Но нито един мюсюлманин не би се съгласил с това, защото повечето от тях не разбират модерния арабски език, пък да не говорим за класически кораничен арабски.<br />
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* По принцип не е възможно да се научи език, който не разполага с ясен превод, така че този, който настоява, че критикуващите Исляма трябва "да владеят до съвършенство арабски език", за да разберат Корана, прави [[Логическа заблуда|логическа грешка]]. Той или трябва да признае, че оригиналният език на Корана е преводим (в този случай не е необходимо да учите арабски) или да приеме факта, че който не говори арабски език, не може да бъде мюсюлманин (тъй като в този случай Корана ще бъде достъпен и разбран само за говорящите до съвършенство езика).<br />
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* Арабският език, не се различава по нищо от другите и подобно на всички други езици, също може да бъде превеждан. За критиците и последователи на юдаизма, християнството и индуизма не е необходимо да учат иврит, гръцки или санскрит, за да разберат смисъла на религиозните текстове. Същото важи и за исляма.<br />
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* Много преводи са смекчени, с цел [http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Прозелитизъм прозелитизъм] и пропаганда, за да са по-приемливи за по-широка аудитория.Примерите могат да са много, но и тези са показателни:<br />
#В английски превод на стиха 4:34<ref name="u1">{{cite web|quote=Yusuf Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=4&verse=34|title= - Verse (4:34) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u2">{{cite web|quote=004.034 <br />
YUSUFALI: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (LIGHTLY); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/004-qmt.php#004.034|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 4|author= Един от преводите на Коран 4:34 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана, според който на истинския мюсюлманин е позволено да бие жена си, но преводача Абдула Юсуф Али добавя от себе си думата lightly(леко).<ref>"..beat them (LIGHTLY)" - "..бийте ги (леко).."</ref><ref name="u1" /><ref name="u2" /> Подобно нещо се вижда и в българският превод на ает 4:34<ref name="u3">{{cite web|quote=34 Мъжете стоят над жените с това, с което Аллах предпочете едни пред други и защото харчат от имотите си. Целомъдрените жени са послушни, пазят съкровеното си, както Аллах ги е запазил. А онези, от чието непокорство се страхувате, увещавайте, [после] се отдръпнете от тях в постелите, и [АКО ТРЯБВА] ги удряйте! А покорят ли ви се, не търсете средство против тях! Аллах е всевишен, превелик.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/4.An-Nisa.htm|title= Свещен Коран - Превод проф. д-р. Цветан Теофанов |author= 4. Сура Жените (Ан-Ниса)1 - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> от Корана, където преводача проф.д-р. Цветан Теофанов добава от себе си думите [ако трябва]<ref>"..и [ако трябва] ги удряйте!.."</ref><ref name="u3" /><br />
#В английски превод на стиха(аета) 9:5<ref name="u4">{{cite web|quote=YUSUFALI: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.005|title= - Translations of the Qur'an, Surah 9|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref><ref name="u5">{{cite web|quote= <br />
Yusuf Ali: But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.|url= http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5|title= - Verse (9:5) - English Translation|author= Един от преводите на Коран 9:5 от арабски на английски.Преводач е Абдуллах Юсуф Али. |deadurl=no}}</ref>от Корана и думата Kill,Slay(убивайте)<ref>{{cite web|quote= <br />
"83 times as the form I verb qatala (قَتَلَ)/Превод:83 пъти по форма I глагола гатала(убиване)",<br />
"Verb (form I) - to kill/Превод:Глагол (форма I) - да убие",<br />
"(9:5:5) fa-uq'tulū - then kill - ..فَاقْتُلُوا../Превод:(9:5:5) фа-угтулю - тогава убий - ..тогава убий(от арабски език)" |url= http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=qtl#(9:5:5)|title= Quran Dictionary - ق ت ل |deadurl=no}}</ref> в знаменития (ает на меча)<ref>{{cite web|quote=5.А изтекат ли месеците на възбрана, убивайте съдружаващите, където ги сварите, и ги хващайте, и ги обграждайте, и ги причаквайте на всяко място за засада! И щом се покаят и отслужват молитвата, и дават милостинята закат, сторете им път! Аллах е опрощаващ, милосърден.|url= http://www.islamforbulgaria.com/koran/quran/9.At-Tauba.htm|title=Коран на Български език|author= 9. Сура Покаянието (Ат-Тауба) - мединска - |deadurl=no}}</ref> е омекотена с добавената дума Fight(бори,бий,сражавай) от преводача Абдуллах Юсуф Али<ref>"..then FIGHT and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them.."/Превод:"..след това се (бори,бий,сражавай) и убий езичниците, където ги намерите.."</ref><ref name="u4" /><ref name="u5" />, за да изглежда като убийство по време на военна битка. <br />
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След като преводите на Корана направени от Елмир Гулиев(Эльмиром Кулиевым), бяха обявени за екстремистки и мюсюлманите веднага започнаха да се придържат към противоположното мнение:"Забраната за превод на Корана е забрана на Корана"<ref>Руски Телевизионен Канал «Глазами мусульман Татарстана»:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCk2htFhVns Забранен ли е Корана в Русия](Руски език) — YouTube, 16-ти Ноември 2013г.( [http://web.archive.org/web/20110604064258/http://uk.encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861689162/Arabic.html архивно копие] от 17-ти Ноември 2013г.)</ref><ref>[http://www.gazeta.ru/social/2013/10/03/5680425.shtml Отношение к критериям экстремизма всегда будет субъективным](Руски език)</ref><ref>[http://www.beladusham.com/0165.html Критики «ваххабитского» перевода Корана — мелкие стукачи](Руски език)</ref><ref>[http://www.regnum.ru/news/society/1746367.html Запрет на перевод Корана Эльмиром Кулиевым отменён судом (Кубань) ](Руски език)</ref> По този начин, в повечето случаи, признаването или не признаването на семантичен превод е показателно за целта на всеки един мюсюлманин: '''когато трябва да се защитят от критиката към исляма - преводите не са признават за правилни, а когато бяха забранени самите преводи, те изведнъж станаха тъждествени и верни с Корана.'''<br />
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*[http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm#arabic "Коранът може само да се разбира на Арабски език"] ''- [[The Religion Of Peace]]''<br />
*[http://www.studyquran.co.uk/LLhome.htm Edward William Lane's Arabic-English Lexicon (Download)] ''- Най-почитаните и научно подкрепени речници на арабски език''<br />
*[http://kalamullah.com/Books/Hans-Wehr.pdf The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic] ''- 40 MB Downloadable PDF file''<br />
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<div>'''Core Principles''' are the primary policies by which [[WikiIslam]] operates and from which other [[WikiIslam:Policies and Guidelines|policies and guidelines]] are derived.<br />
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|'''1. Content should be related to the critique or understanding of Islam'''<BR>WikiIslam is a non-partisan website where the goal is to become an indispensable resource for all things related to the critique or understanding of Islam. All content should be focused purely on Islam and how it is practiced, not on its promotion or issues that are more sociopolitical in nature (such as immigration, multiculturalism, or the Israeli-Palestinian conflict).<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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* [[WikiIslam:Policies and Guidelines]]<br />
* [[WikiIslam:Frequently Asked Questions]]<br />
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==Contact Information==<br />
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This page contains a summary of the general policies and guidelines that everyone is expected to adhere to at [[WikiIslam]] and is required reading for all editors.<br />
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==Content==<br />
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===Core Principles===<br />
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Content on WikiIslam should:<br />
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# be related to the critique or understanding of Islam, not its promotion or issues of a political nature.<br />
# be based on fully referenced facts and mainstream Islamic sources, not fringe theories, personal opinions or deductions.<br />
# be written in a professional and scholarly manner, refraining from sarcastic, offensive, sensationalist or extremist language. <br />
# be tailored to accommodate a universal audience, not only certain countries or demographics.<br />
# remain neutral towards other religions, world-views and political positions, neither promoting nor criticizing them.<br />
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===Articles===<br />
{{Main|WikiIslam:Article Style and Content Guide}}<br />
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WikiIslam is not restricted to only being an encyclopedia of Islam. It is there for editors to make use of in contributing and arranging information about Islam in many ways. For example, compiling news, translating media, making lists, collecting images and videos, counter-apologetics, hosting online books and other documents, and so on.<br />
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Generally, a counter-apologetic article should begin with a short introduction, followed by an in-depth analysis of an issue, then end with a conclusion that may repeat in short the most important points in the article. Naturally, as with most wiki projects with themes, the inclusion of counter-apologetics means that content on WikiIslam is not required to follow a neutral viewpoint.<br />
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WikiIslam is an international site with administrators, editors and contributors from all over the world. Readership is vast and not saturated by European or "Western" visitors, so the content should reflect this. Material should be tailored to accommodate, as best as possible, a universal audience. Information on Islam in Asia or Africa is as important to the site as information on Islam in Europe or the Americas.<br />
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The site does not have a left or right-wing political agenda, nor is it a counter-jihad site, thus articles concerning immigration, multiculturalism, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and other related issues are strictly prohibited. Articles should always remain neutral towards other religions and world views, neither promoting nor criticizing them. <br />
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Editors are expected to take a scholarly and rational approach in their conduct and criticisms. Thereby staying away from extremist, sensationalist, sarcastic or emotional commentary by letting the facts speak for themselves. Articles should also be free from vulgar, offensive, or slang language. In short, articles should include no personal opinions or deductions, only referenced facts.<br />
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Any critique of Islam should be based on Islam's own sources, meaning content on WikiIslam should never endorse (but may simply document or challenge) fringe theories unsupported by the majority of evidence found within Islamic sources.<!-- For example, the claim that Islam does not prohibit alcohol or denying the historicity of Muhammad. an issue where the Islamic sources are of one opinion but there is no consensus among historians, meaning an article on the issue should simply document the available facts and remain neutral concerning any conclusions. --><br />
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Copying and pasting articles from other sites is not allowed. Nor is, for various reasons, copying and pasting articles from Wikipedia. However, there are some exceptions to this rule e.g. where a suitable Wikipedia article is going to be deleted or has been deleted. If something specific is being quoted from another site, it should be made clear that it is a quotation.<br />
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===Formatting===<br />
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Articles should be formatted using text codes to create elements of the page (e.g., headings). This markup language is known as wikitext (or wiki-markup). <br />
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Bold emphasis should only be used within quotation boxes or when the name of an article's subject in an encyclopedic page is first mentioned. In all other cases, italics should be used when emphasis is needed (this should be used sparingly and only when absolutely needed). Underlining and allcaps should be avoided.<br />
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If there are two or more distinct topics being discussed, the article should be made more readable by inserting a heading for each topic. These headings do not form a part of the main text. They only indicate the general topic of that particular section, and should not contain information not found within its main text. So when choosing titles for headings and subheading, editors should avoid questions or long sentences.<br />
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When applicable, footer sections of articles should consist of a "See Also", "External Links" and "References" section (always in that particular order).<br />
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====Standardization====<br />
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Editors should use [[WikiIslam:Templates|templates]] wherever possible. This is an effective way of standardizing content. Their use enables formatting to remain consistent and allows easy system-wide changes. All pages should be written using the American English spelling rather than UK spelling. This is due to their relative popularity and the need to make a choice between one or the other for consistency, and is not a show of favoritism. Section headings should use title-case for capitalization. Thus "Section Headings" and not "Section headings". The same applies to the titles of articles. Minor words should be left in small caps. Standardized spelling of transliterated Arabic words and names are also to be followed, in order to avoid leaving pages with multiple spelling variations of a single word.<br />
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===Honorifics===<br />
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When discussing Muhammad, the first mention in an article and its conclusion should begin the qualifier, Prophet, i.e. "The Prophet Muhammad". The same applies to Jesus or Ganesha, i.e. "Jesus Christ" or "Lord Ganesha". <br />
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Additional honorifics such as "Muhammad (saw)" or "Allah (swt)" are not allowed in articles. The same applies to using an uppercase "H" in words such as "he", "him" or "her" in reference to a deity or Jesus. An exception to this rule would be the talk pages or pro-Islamic articles.<br />
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===Images===<br />
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If an image adds value to an article and the loss of it would mean that people would not know something important, that image should be included. Additional images used for 'illustration' purposes should not be used unless important information is being conveyed that could otherwise not be conveyed through text. Images within articles that are tagged as [[:Category:Stubs|Stubs]] should be avoided altogether.<br />
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If there are too many images related to a page, they can be moved to a gallery section or to a separate page (examples of both can be viewed [[List_of_Genuine_Islamic_Inventions_Innovations_Records_and_Firsts#Image_Gallery|here]] and [[Muhammad_Teddy_Bear_Blasphemy_-_Images|here]]). Images can usually be found and safely copied from Wikipedia (first check issues with their license tags), but those that only have a tenuous link to page content should be avoided.<br />
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Articles are not judged on their shock value or humor, so images within written articles should be tasteful. For example, in an article about [[stoning]], the least graphic image should be chosen. Or in an article about [[Diseases and Cures in the Wings of Houseflies|houseflies and bacteriophages]], an electron micrograph of bacteriophages should be chosen over the closeup image of a fly (which some people may find sickening).<br />
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===Translations===<br />
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[[WikiIslam:Translations|Translations]] should always remain faithful to the original English work, retaining their scholarly tone and information. If for localization purposes an editor thinks their should be some slight alterations made, they must first be discussed with others on the talk page. <br />
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Only when there are a front page's worth of translations (about 25-35 articles) and at least one regular and reliable editor for a language can the creation of a dedicated sub-domain be considered. Once launched, they are free to evolve separately to the English site in style and content as long as the core principles are followed i.e. no politics, no promotion or criticism of other religions/worldviews and no opinions, only referenced facts concerning Islam.<br />
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==Sources==<br />
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===Citing Sources===<br />
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All statements of facts, especially those that are likely to be challenged, must be referenced using inline citations. Naked URLs are not sufficient. What is being referenced should be easily identifiable without having to leave the page through an external link. Minimal information (if available) should include the URL, page title, author, publisher and the date of publication. Each link must also be archived to avoid link rot. When quoting from these sources, bold or italic emphasis may be added, but underlining and all-capitals should be avoided.<br />
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===Reliable Sources===<br />
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WikiIslam articles should be based on reliable, published sources. More importance is placed on pro-Islamic, religious Muslim sources over neutral secular sources. However, multiple references from both types of sources are preferred. Furthermore, references that are cited must explicitly support any claims being made. There are three types of sources:<br />
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Primary sources are original materials, an artifact, a document, a recording, or other source of information that was created at the time under study. In an article about a book it would be the book itself. In the case of a person, it would be the subject itself. WikiIslam's criticism of Islam is based on its own sources, the Qur'an, hadith and Islamic scholars. So primary sources are not limited and may be freely used in articles. However, only published and recognized translations of primary sources are to be used, and they must be quoted exactly as they appear in the cited reference. <br />
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Secondary sources are documents or recordings that relate or discuss information originally presented elsewhere. For example, a statement by a scholar about a certain battle in the history of Islam would be a secondary source. News articles that report on a development or an incident are also secondary sources. Statements of fact concerning Islam from polemic sources such as books, articles or commentaries by individuals such as Robert Spencer, Pamela Gellar, Mark A. Gabriel etc. are not to be used under any circumstances as references on WikiIslam. If editors come across any such statements, they must remove them immediately.<br />
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====Tertiary Sources====<br />
Tertiary sources are sources that rely upon primary and secondary sources. Unlike secondary sources, they attempt to provide a broad introductory overview of a topic. ''The New Encyclopedia of Islam'' would be an example. They may be used as well. There are a [http://www.ipl.org/div/subject/browse/ref32.00.00/ variety of encyclopedias].<br />
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==Interactions==<br />
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===User Names/Pages===<br />
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Usernames should be chosen appropriately and should not be promotional, misleading, disruptive or offensive towards a race, religion or social group in any way. Usernames that fall under any of these categories will be renamed by an administrator. <br />
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Userpages should not be used as placeholders or homes for articles and essays. Personal email addresses should also not be displayed. Active editors with over 50 constructive edits are permitted to post links. However, these should also be chosen appropriately and they should try to keep the number of links within 10.<br />
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===Discussions===<br />
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The purpose of a talk page is to provide space for editors to discuss changes directly relating to its associated article or project page. Acceptable topics for discussion include concerns directly relating to the page, such as inaccuracies, formatting, renaming, merging and suggestions for further improvement. They are not there for debating the subject of the article or for general attacks on the site or its editors. <br />
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Talk pages should not be blanked, and other users' messages should not be removed or altered unless a valid reason is provided. All new discussion topics should be given a relevant heading and created at the bottom of the page, below all previous discussions, and all messages should be signed and follow the rules concerning indentation. Users should avoid excessive emphasis and be concise; capital letters are considered shouting, and long, rambling messages or SMS language may be difficult to understand and will be ignored. For continuity of discussion, comments should be kept on the same talk page where they were initiated. <br />
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Good indentation makes prolonged discussions on talk pages easier to read and understand. Replies should always be indented and placed beneath the last comment. Indents are achieved by typing one or more leading colon ":" characters at the very left margin, just before the new text about to be added. With every new comment added, the number of colons must be increased by one. <br />
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A long discussion will cause indentation to become too deep, which can make it difficult to read in narrower browser windows. When this occurs, editors should consider resetting the level of indentation by outdenting their next comment. Outdenting must be performed by using the "Outdent" template.<br />
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====Signatures====<br />
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Signing comments on talk pages, both for the article and non-article namespaces, facilitates discussion by helping identify the author of a particular comment. Occasional forgetfulness is understandable but if certain editors continually ignore requests to sign their comments, any new comments by them should be reverted and a discussion should be initiated on their user talk page.<br />
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Customized signatures, like usernames, should be chosen appropriately and not be promotional, misleading, disruptive or offensive. They must include at least one direct internal link to the editor's user page, user talk page, or contributions page, allowing other editors easy access to their talk page and contributions log. Images or templates should not be used in signatures as this may cause unnecessary server load.<br />
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===Contributions===<br />
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====Pending Changes====<br />
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Pending changes protection has been implemented to help maintain the quality of the sites content and to minimize vandalism. This means changes from new and anonymous IP editors are reviewed by other editors (usually within 24 hours) before they appear on the website. Once a new user demonstrates that their edits are factually correct, properly formatted and comply with guidelines, they will receive the 'Editor' user right which means their own edits will be approved automatically. <br />
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====Corrections====<br />
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It is the responsibility of each individual editor to make sure that their own edits are of a high standard. Edits should not be made with the expectation that someone else will fix the problems those edits may have caused (e.g. spelling, punctuation, formatting, broken links/redirects etc.). <br />
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When a user makes contributions that need corrections or cleanup by another editor, these issues should be explained to them on their talk page. If their contributions continue to suffer from the same issues after being corrected two or three times and having the matter explained to them, editors should then revert their future edits, ask them to see their talk page (in the edit summary) and consult with other editors and administrators.<br />
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====Good Faith====<br />
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Assuming good faith is the assumption that a user's edits and comments are made in good faith. This guideline does not prohibit discussion and criticism. Rather, editors should not attribute the actions being criticized to malice unless there is specific evidence of malice or obvious vandalism. If an editor wishes to express doubts about the conduct of another user, they should substantiate those doubts with specific diffs and other relevant evidence, so that people can understand the basis for their concerns. WikiIslam administrators and other experienced editors involved in dispute resolution will usually be glad to help, and are very capable of identifying policy-breaching conduct if their attention is drawn to clear and specific evidence.<br />
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==Legal==<br />
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===Copyrights===<br />
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When using text or images from another website, editors should make sure that the material is not copyrighted. If it is, they must ask permission from the original content owner(s) before using it. Copyright holders may contact WikiIslam to have their concerns addressed.<br />
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===Libel===<br />
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The goal of WikiIslam is to create an encyclopedic information source with all information being referenced through the citation of reliable published sources, so as to maintain a standard of verifiability.<br />
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For this reason, all contributors should recognize that it is ''their responsibility'' to ensure that material posted on WikiIslam is not defamatory. Libel or defamation is defined as the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation.<br />
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It is WikiIslam policy to delete libelous material when it has been identified. This policy applies to living people.<br />
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Individuals who believe they are the subject of a libelous statement on WikiIslam should contact the site with details of the article and error.<br />
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==Pro-Islamic Content==<br />
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Due to constant vandalism, disruptive editing, non-compliance with guidelines and a lack of time, pro-Islamic submissions are currently not being accepted. This change is only temporary, and the present list of pro-Islamic articles can still be viewed [[:Category:Pro-Islamic Content|here]]. For debates and general discussions about Islam, users can visit a forum (e.g. the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum]).<br />
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==Contact Information==<br />
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[[Category:Policies and Guidelines]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Sahab&diff=112144User talk:Sahab2015-03-27T18:03:33Z<p>Sahab: /* Translations completed */</p>
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<div>== Tagging ==<br />
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Most of the content is written by you or has been heavily edited by you in any case. Do you intend to stop at some point or tag most/all the articles on the site? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:23, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Hi. Yeah, of course I intend to stop, once my work is tagged. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:50, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Isnt that going to be all the articles on the site? So about 2000 article tags?<br />
::What is your intention of tagging the articles? Do you want some kind of recognition or author attribution or do you want to prevent others from editing the work? etc I'm trying to understand the intent. We have tagged other people's work to mostly encourage others to edit or to encourage them to contribute more. Maybe we should re-think that and perhaps only essays should be tagged since they are of a personal nature and main content that complies with site policies should not be tagged. <br />
::We need to look at other sites to see how they handle this. Its a wiki after all and when pages are edited by everyone we can see why most wikis dont attribute their authors like this. Wikipedia doesnt make people tag their any of their articles even if they're basically the sole contributors of that page and thats a pretty big point I want to bring up here. Neither does Rational Wiki tag their articles like this. I think if its going to be all/most pages on the site that is going to discourage people from editing (thinking the pages shouldn't be edited further in any major way) so I dont think its a good idea.<br />
::We have all all worked on this site not for recognition but for charity and no one has asked for anything in return, just like how it happens on Wikipedia. If you want some kind of recognition we can create an "WikiIslam:About the Editors" page and mention all major past/current editors by name there and some short bios about them (if they want). I think that's reasonable.<br />
::Please discontinue the tagging until this discussion is settled. <br />
::Anyone else, feel free to share your opinions as well. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:01, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Obviously I do NOT want to prevent others from editing the work. Neither am I asking for monetary compensation, so I too have edited here as a form of charity. I simply want attribution for what I contributed to this site, just like how any other editor is entitled to the same. Nothing more, nothing less. This is not asking for too much now that I have moved on. We have allowed people to attribute their work (in this very non-evasive way) for many years now without a problem. Are you telling me now that the editor who has spent 5+ years editing the site like a fulltime job, probably contributed at least 80% of the site's content, was in charge of its networking with other sites, formulated and wrote most of its rules, administrated the site, helped new editors learn the ropes, and copy-edited/corrected/quality-controlled every single page, is going to have that right taken away from him? Other wikis may not attribute things, but we do. And if that changes now, it is pretty obvious to every one why it is only changing now. Over the years I have spoken to Ali Sina, Robert Spencer, Jochen Katz, Robert from TROP, etc., and I can guarantee that any one of them would have bit their own hands off to have me join their sites and write for them. I chose to stay here, and this is how you are going to treat me now?[[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:26, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::: "Other wikis may not attribute things, but we do." - and once that was decided that should never be changed? We have done a lot of things incorrectly in the past and then changed course when we realized we should do it differently.<br />
:::: Once again why does Wikipedia and Rational Wiki not tag their articles? Why should we? There are editors on Wikipedia with a lot of edits ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits list]). There's one with 1.3 million edits and there's no recognition on individual articles. Here's a note at the end of that user's page for the user [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Koavf] with 1.3 million edits so you can see how they approach the subject:<br />
:::::''All contributions by this user are hereby released into the public domain. I, the author, hereby agree to waive all claim of copyright (economic and moral) in all content contributed by me, the user, and immediately place any and all contributions by me into the public domain, unless otherwise noted. I grant anyone the right to use my work for any purpose, without any conditions, to be changed or destroyed in any manner whatsoever without any attribution or notification.''<br />
::::Once someone edits a page you wrote they would take out your name or add theirs which doesnt make any sense.<br />
::::"I simply want recognition for what I contributed to this site" - That can be done in a "List of editors" way (like Wikipedia does it). We can list the number of edits there too. The other way people take pride in their work is having a list of articles they have contributed to in a major way and users make that list on their own user pages [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MissionInn.Jim#Contributions_to_Wikipedia for example.] ([https://www.google.com/search?q=%22articles+I+have+contributed+to%22+site%3Awikipedia.org&oq=%22articles+I+have+contributed+to%22+site%3Awikipedia.org others])<br />
::::These are the only two ways that I know of that Wikipedia has for attributing authors. The same for Rational Wiki.<br />
::::If you have moved on why would you care if you have your username on the pages and by that I mean, how would it impact you? I would be happy to mention your name in a new page "WikiIslam:About the Editors". I have thought of doing that multiple times in the past and I thought about doing that while you were actively editing and also after you left the last time (3 months ago). I thought it was important to let people know who the major contributors of the site have been but we dont do this on the pages themselves because they are open to editing by everyone and there is no ownership of pages as in "I wrote this". The point of a wiki is that it can be edited by anyone at any time. 80% of the content is incorrect by the way but you do have around 46% of the site's edits up to this point (the most by any user and that can be rounded up to 50%) and the rest of what you wrote can be mentioned with some edits (if needed) to let people know that as of today you are the most significant editor on the site. That is fair and appropriate but not the article tagging. In fact this attribution method gives you more recognition because we can tell people what you did on the site (how you created the site structure, site map, the categories etc. etc.). You can also make a separate page for your list of articles that you're tagging and we can link that there in the "About the editors" page. Your method, a name on an article wont tell people much. Many people only view a few pages in their visit in any case. So I think having a page for the editors is a better idea. <br />
::::If you also need a reference letter or something like that for the work you've done with the bullet points you mentioned we can discuss that as well and I can write up something by email. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:09, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
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:::::Content and edits are two different things. I'm pretty sure if you count the number of pages created or primarily filled with my work, the "80% of the content" statement is not so inaccurate. Since I have ''literally'' edited every single page on this wiki, even the pages which have not been created or primarily filled with my work will still likely have some of my work in there. And many of the articles that have not been created or primarily filled with my work only exist on this site through my networking with other authors off site. So another way to calculate the percentage would be to take all contributions as a whole and divide it as a whole rather than only counting pages created or primarily filled with my work.<br />
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:::::With that said and done, the exact percentage is not really important. If you say about 50 percent, then fine. I think your ideas in how to handle this situation seems reasonable. So yeah, okay. I will create that page and even de-tag those pages for you. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:42, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::Ok. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 04:12, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Suggestion ==<br />
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If you spent a very long time here, why dont you go ahead publishing its contents (partially) on other sites and blogs and forums? I know some sites will moderate out our posts but we need those who won't. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 11:07, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Saggy. Thanks for the suggestion. However, I've done plenty of that already. Promoting/defending the site on forums, spreading the word to other websites, I even had my own blog (now inactive) where I promoted/defended the website. thereligionofpeace.com kindly featured a couple of my posts where I linked to this website (a very kind gesture from him, considering I had only recently created the blog itself). Had plenty of traffic from there and Reddit.com too. But after 5 years I have ended up leaving under what I feel are strained circumstances, so I wouldn't be interested in more of the same, at least not any time soon. I think my contributions to this site alone (minus the tech side of things which Axius handled) would be enough to make this website very nearly what it is today. So I may try to replicate that success with my own site if one of the guys/gals over at the FFI forum are willing to help me out on the tech side. Or I may inquire about joining with one of the already established sites. Some of the pages I've written (e.g. all of the [[Persecution]] pages, [[Priapism_-_Permanent_Erection|Priapism]], [[72 Virgins]], [[Fastest Growing Religion]], [[Responses_to_Apologetics_-_Muhammad_and_Aisha|Muhammad and Aisha]], [[Muslim Statistics]], [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Lying and Deception|Lying and Deception]], [[Muhammad in Other Scriptures]], [[Muhammad and History's 100 Most Influential People|The 100]], [[List_of_Genuine_Islamic_Inventions_Innovations_Records_and_Firsts|List of Genuine Islamic Inventions]], and [[Dr._Keith_Moore_and_the_Islamic_Additions|Dr. Keith Moore]], among others) are completely unique to this site or have never been done in such detail anywhere else. I feel this material has added to the library of Islam-criticism in general and has provided a lot of individuals with much needed information. I'm very proud of that and am content with knowing I did my bit, so I may not even continue at all with Islam. I'm honestly not sure at the moment. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 16:09, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::You can try contacting Klingschor and TheRationalizer or post a message on the CEMB forum (the CEMB has a [http://councilofexmuslims.com/wiki/en/Main_Page wiki] too as you know). I know Klingschor made a post a long time ago on the CEMB forum wanting to create a new site. Maybe you can get together with these people and do something. The more websites there are for criticism of Islam the better. I'm pretty sure these people can arrange for some kind of tech help. I know TheRationalizer's email so let me know if you want to email him. They're both also from the UK and have good Youtube channels with lots of subscribers so they're somewhat accomplished and passionate about criticism of Islam. Unless one works alone they have to work through differences of opinions with other people so that will always be there when others are involved.<br />
::No one can be stopped from leaving the site or deciding not to contribute anymore. That's their wish. I've tried to be fair for example I have tried to prevent wrongful blocks and give editors more opportunities. I believe everyone has equal rights in deciding what should happen on the site. After observing that there were too many intense conflicts starting to take place I worked hard on thinking about how to create some [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Core_Principles#Community community guidelines] so people stop arguing over minor issues and instead focus on the content of the site. I added a nice [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Axius quote] to my user page about this. You made those community guidelines from that long document I sent in email and you can tell how much I was bothered by conflicts to have written so much on the topic. But when someone maintains that kind of approach it usually means they are done with their activism and want to slow down or take a long break or just stop (which is fine but others shouldn't be held responsible for it in any way). I don't want to debate over this for long but yes if you want to leave that's your wish. Good luck in whatever you do in the future. All of us editors on the site and its thousands of visitors are very thankful to you for the work you've done and you're welcome to come back at any time. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:00, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Well, we're obviously going to disagree on this, and I'm sure we could rant at each other all day long about what went wrong here, but I have no desire to do that and I'm sure you don't either. About Klingschor and TheRationalizer; lol come on Ax, be serious :) As far as I'm concerned, those guys are dishonest and part of the bigger problem. Damn privileged westerners who think they know it all. Get one of them to admit that lying is a religious part of Islam that allows Muslims to lie to non-Muslims ([[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Lying and Deception|just like the authentic Sunni sources prove]]) and I'll take my words back. Until then.... You know I still have respect for all practicing Muslims. These guys do what they do because they believe what they do is from their god and is the right thing to do. These other guys only prove you don't need to believe in a sky fairy to be full of shite. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:24, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::Oh, and not that it really matters, but you're definitely wrong about me being done with the criticism of Islam or wanting a break. If it wasn't for the issues we encountered here I feel I could and would have continued indefinitely. Now that I have decided to leave this site, that is what has me thinking about what I'm going to do now. Who knows, I may still end up creating a few wiki article every so often. Oh and another thing; the spam filters wont let me de-tag [[Muslim_Statistics_-_Alcohol_and_Drugs|this]] page. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:29, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::They're valuable to me for the parts of criticism where I agree with them (like his blog post on [http://klingschor.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-meaning-of-kawaib-in-quran.html Kawaib]) so I dont write them off because of differences in certain areas but ok I understand how people often approach differences. Others likely do the same. It would be a nice one-on-one debate on that lying topic and others. Well take a long break, enjoy yourself or come here, whatever you feel like doing. I fixed the spam issue, had to change something in settings. You could try Wikipedia for a while for your favorite topics and see what happens. When I was there I learned a lot of things and many people inspired me. They have some really good people there. The way that community works and handles disputes is pretty impressive. If you worked there for say 6 months or even a year you would have to work with non-Muslims and Muslims who dont agree with you and there's many more policies with a lot of supervisors and people to watch over you and keep you in check. Its a tough atmosphere. When you come back here you'll think this place is heaven where you have a lot of freedom and you'll really appreciate it and learn to compromise and not spend much time on things that are minor disagreements. Its a good place to get trained in working with others and also see how well (in general) they tolerate beginners or people who arent experienced long-term editors. Crap goes on there too. All in all its a good place to experience. So yea I really think you should do that. That's my advice. I should add this advice to the long policy document I wrote. There's also free wikis, or you can work on Sandboxes here on your articles and move them out to somewhere else if you want. Or take a giant break from all of it (thats a good thing too), its all up to you. Whatever you feel like doing. If you want to get back in here let me know if you want the admin tools back but in that case I would like strict adherence to the community guidelines keeping in mind that disagreements are going to happen all the time. It was stressful for me and I just dont have the energy to tolerate that kind of atmosphere anymore which is good because there's other people here too and everyone is affected. We aren't here to be adversaries and have nothing to gain with disputes or hostilities. We have important common goals. I have apologized in the past or have tried to if I did anything wrong. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:47, 31 July 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::It's more than minor disagreements that are the issue here, and some of them have no parallels at Wikipedia. Besides, I already have my own account over at Wikipedia. I don't use it for any Islam-related topics but it's active. I doubt I'll want my admin rights back, but I'll let you know if I change my mind. And thanks for suggesting that I work on articles here if I want. That's very kind of you. It may be helpful working on material and interacting somewhere that is familiar to me. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 04:12, 1 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::::The articles you work on over there, are they controversial? For example in Islam related articles there's a great different of opinion (obviously) while other topics are pretty calm and its all smooth sailing. Is this a good page name to talk about the editors: WikiIslam: About the Editors, or Meet the Editors, I dont know. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:52, 1 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::::WikiIslam:Meet the Editors sounds the best I think. About the Editors sounds kind of ominous, like you're about to reveal some sort of secret. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:03, 1 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Possibilities ==<br />
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So I was thinking about it. <br />
:''If it wasn't for the issues we encountered here I feel I could and would have continued indefinitely.'' <br />
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If that's the case then I don't want to be in your way. If there's a possibility of you coming back to the site and editing as before then here's something I haven't done before. I'll let you be the decision maker of the site for any issues. You can delete [[Freethinker_Javed_-_Former_Muslim|this testimony]] and.. what else: those footer Menu links that the RU site has on the bottom of their pages. There wasn't really much else content-wise to disagree on. We have always had the same ideas about most of the stuff on the site and I've told you that before. About having any other stuff that's critical of other religions I hadn't decided on that for that certain case (e.g. [[User_talk:Axius#The_Quran_and_Mountains|roots of mountains]]) and I would have done things in a very subtle way if we ever tried to do something (a small link or a note about that issue, etc). Nothing that would be strong criticism like we do for Islam. <br />
You can create a new wikiislam email address and be its recipient for all incoming site mail (not a huge volume of incoming so nothing much to worry about) and replace the email address in the contact page. I'll keep the old address for maintaining account issues. You can make all decisions on the site whatever they are, both for content and for managing users. I can only suggest you to give chances to other editors and be forgiving of their mistakes - or not. I care about that the most but its up to you. If people talk about their experiences off-site we cant control that and once its out there, its hard to control it. That's why I've wanted to be as forgiving as possible so no one has a valid reason to write anything bad about us because then its like a bad review for a business. It can be damaging.<br />
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The reasons I want to do this is that I haven't tried this before. I don't see myself contributing any time soon to the wiki like you have and since you have done a lot, you should be able to decide what happens on the site. The growth of the site is more important than seeing who decides what. What do you think? Maybe its already too late but in case here it is. If not then I'll just be in minimum maintenance mode as I have been for a while now and if you're here in any capacity, big or small I'll still let you do what you want to do so there. That's it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:07, 2 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Wow. Could you let me think about it for a few days? I don't mean to sound ungrateful (because I most certainly am ''very'' grateful for the offer) but I really don't know what my answer will be. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 18:38, 2 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Yea take your time. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:29, 2 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Also wondering what changes you would make in that situation. Imagine I don't exist. That would help thinking about what you would do. For example deleting some of the testimonies you think are fake. I might not agree but you can do it if you want. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:35, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::At the moment I really doubt I will accept your kind offer. I'm not 100% sure either way yet but there are multiple issues to consider and saying yes would be a very big commitment on my part. I need to get my head sorted and will talk things through with Al-Qaum. <br />
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::::Concerning changes; there wouldn't be many I don't think. For the first 4 years you did give me pretty much free reign on the wiki and it has only been the past year or so that we have been butting heads. We also agree on the majority of things so that helps. Yeah I would be more critical of testimonies and (as I've said in the past) I believe testimonies of leaving Islam should actually be testimonies about leaving Islam, not rants about how much they hate religions (of course a short paragraph of general thoughts is fine but the bulk of it should be exactly what it says on the tin). <br />
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::::I definitely would NOT get rid of those footer Menu links that the RU site has on the bottom of their pages. I don't particularly like them but Claustrum is a very competent individual and I would try to respect the "Sub-domains do their own thing" rule. I agree with that. If I ever overstep the mark over at the RU site it's not because I want to but because it's instinctive for me to press delete when I see pointless rants by Muslim trolls. <br />
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::::I haven't really thought about what I would change. I don't think it's about change, I think it's more about sticking closely to what we already claim to be content-wise (which is what I believe makes us who we are). There would be no attacking each other over belief, race or sexuality. Islam-critical sites are always accused of hatred so we need to set a shining example by showing zero tolerance. This should be shown through unambiguous policies which clearly outline our stance. Free speech is completely irrelevant in the context of a privately owned website, especially when it has contributors outside of the US. What is relevant is the religion of Islam, and also the need for us to make sure we're not tarred with the same "xenophobic right-wingers" brush. Editors should feel safe while they're here and not have to listen to other editors rants. There are plenty of other outlets for them to do that stuff if they wanted to, this place should only be about Islam. So really everything concerning content in our core principles would be followed closely (including tailoring our articles for a universal audience). <br />
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::::I'm not sure what the final page would be, but there definitely wouldn't be an article titled "[[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Western_Scientists|Western Scientists]]" (after all, scientists are scientists, and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of great non-Western scientists in Israel, India and so on). And there certainly wouldn't be any machine translated articles on the site :) lol. Yeah, I haven't really thought of much, just what came off the top of my head. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 08:35, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::Ok. About the bottom nav boxes, yea I was talking about the EN site. So if anyone said they'd want to get them here on the EN site you would say no as you have said before - thats fine.<br />
:::::Alright so even if you arent here or wont accept the offer I'm just in minimum maintenance mode as I've been for a long time. If there are any decisions to be made I'm going to defer them to you if you are here. [''Saggy'': please take note and ask Sahab if you have any questions or ideas. I know previously I asked you to go to the forum page and you can do that but you can also directly approach Sahab.]<br />
:::::You can remove vandalism/troll responses on the RU site if you want, do as you wish. <br />
:::::Western Scientists was a temporary name. If that editor (Al Russell) shows up to work on that page and you dont like the work you can delete it and let him know.<br />
::::: Looking back yes this is a change in my approach for the site. Once again I should say why. I've just decided to give control over to the person who has more time for it or cares enough to defend their positions. I'm here its just that I'll just maintain stuff but not anything more. If the unusual happens and we get new editors with the same intensity of interest in the site as you we'll see what to do. A successful organization is open for change and is always evaluating new ideas. For example the development of policies and content on Wikipedia is dependent on who joins that site and takes interest in it. <br />
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::::::''"For the first 4 years you did give me pretty much free reign on the wiki and it has only been the past year or so that we have been butting heads. We also agree on the majority of things so that helps."'' <br />
:::::Yes we do agree on most things. You wont find any place in the world where you get your way 100% of the time whether its an online workspace like Wikipedia or a real-life situation like an office. As I see it if a small number of disagreements cause someone to leave the scene there's probably some other reason as to why they would leave, something else is going on; perhaps they've become busy or their priorities have changed and they needed to get to a tipping point to make that change actually happen. At that point there's a need to step back and look at the situation objectively wait till things have calmed down a little. Maybe thats happened while you were away. One can see the big picture and see that minor disagreements dont really matter. People should be open to compromise and tolerate differences of opinions. As for content quality I've always agreed that we shouldn't compromise on that. While you were away you can see how I tried to defend the quality of Scientific errors in the Quran by not allowing new errors entered unless the previous ones were fixed. I don't like banning someone outright and I like allowing people to work in their sandboxes (we do that for every thing that has not been finalized yet). Any way you're free to do what you want, leaving or staying in whatever capacity you want. If you do stay please don't stop others from contributing in their sandboxes. They are not indexed by search engines, so they dont get any traffic and if needed we can put headers on top of all sandboxes pages telling people these pages are not part of the Core content and are not meant to be viewed by the public. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 11:48, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::''"At the moment I really doubt I will accept your kind offer."'' - Ok in that case I take back the offer which means, any disputes will be resolved with everyone else's feedback involved and not just what one person says. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:56, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Cool. I'm just glad we managed to part on good terms. You say that contributions whether big or small are welcome from me, so (if you don't mind) I'll still pop in from time-to-time and give you a hand with finalizing stuff, copy-editing and my "no obligation" input/thoughts on good/bad ideas (at least this way you'll have a few different perspectives to consider and decide on either way). And of course if you need help on something or there is an emergency (I'm not sure what but you never know) I'm more than happy to do my best to help when I can. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 22:04, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::::Yea that's great if you can still help out and also give your thoughts on various stuff. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:29, 5 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== List of works ==<br />
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[[User:Sahab/Lists_of_Works]] - you can clean it up in Word using these steps:<br />
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* Replace "^p^phttp://wikiislam.net/wiki/" by "]]^p* [["<br />
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* Then replace _ by space<br />
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* %27 by '<br />
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* Fix entries at end of each list and any other header text that is not in lists.<br />
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* Sort lists ascending (copy paste each list in Excel and sort), some entries may have to be fixed.<br />
* Write texts of how you structured the site using hub pages and inserted and maintained hub links for almost every page on the site and how that was used in the Site map which is a very important way of browsing the site and also tells people of the breadth of the knowledge present in the site.<br />
* Using multi-level lists for example <br />
* Farsideology<br />
** Aisha (Farsideology)<br />
** Allah (Farsideology) <br />
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Also just wondering. Is this for yourself or for a reference of some kind for being evaluated by someone for example? You dont have to tell anything. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:14, 3 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Thanks Ax! I was thinking "I'm sure Axius would know a quicker way to get this done", but was gonna do all that manually. It's for both. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:27, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Ok. Thats what it looked like to me. If you want an email (mentioning your work here) sent to someone from the wikiislam address I can do that (after you approve it). I dont have any problems with that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:51, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Thanks Ax. I don't need that ATM but will be sure to ask if I do. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 22:06, 4 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Meet the editors ==<br />
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Wow you did your magic. The page looks great ([[WikiIslam:Sandbox/WikiIslam:Meet_the_Editors]]). I wish there was a "Sahabify" button. I will try to fix it further. I feel this is a very important page and will make people connect to the site on a personal level (the "who" question is one of the first a visitor asks when they visit a site and they're interested in it). Lets see what else. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:20, 6 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Thanks Ax :) Yeah, I'll keep working on it too. I particularly like how the description of Farside turned out :D I think visitors will definitely be left with a positive impression of WikiIslam editors as a whole. It's kind of unique also because it highlights just how different we all are. Most sites do not have this sort of diversity when it comes to its members. That's pretty cool. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:27, 7 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::I agree. I liked that too, 'prophet Farside'. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 02:39, 7 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Images ==<br />
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Hello, I stumbled accross this site on the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Images_of_Jihad_-_Indonesia Images of Jihad (Indonesia)] and [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Images_of_Jihad_-_Indonesia_-_Killings_Various_Dates Images of Jihad (Indonesia): Killings, Various Dates] articles, and there are several pictures which are mislabelled and have nothing to do with religious violence.<br />
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Chinese didn't actually get killed in the streets on May 1998. What happened was Indonesian looters attacked Chinese shops and tried stealing from them, but accidently started a fire and burned themselves to death instead. And then after that, dozens of rapes were reported against the Chinese. Most violence against Chinese was not killing, but attempted looting and raping. [https://web.archive.org/web/20020615225114/http://www.serve.com/inside/digest/dig86.htm] [http://www.library.ohiou.edu/indopubs/1998/05/31/0029.html] [http://books.google.com/books?id=bCsgAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA34#v=onepage&q&f=false] And thats no whitewashing of what happened, since rape is a very repulsive act.<br />
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The images of people getting killed on the streets and beheaded are from other incidents, like Dayaks vs Madurese in Kalimantan, in Sampit, Sambas, and Indonesians going on a witch hunt in Banyuwangi.<br />
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Dayaks (non-Muslims) and Malays (Muslims) both participated in killing Madurese (Muslims). It was not religious, but ethnic hatred. [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/1186401.stm]<br />
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The images labeled as "Chinese" victims, are actually Madurese getting killed by Dayaks, or suspected "witches" getting killed in Banyuwangi. The people in those photos are all non-Chinese.<br />
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The original sources can be seen here- [http://www.fica.org/hr/lain/lain4.htm] [http://www.fica.org/hr/ambon/ambon1/Sanggauledo1.html] [http://www.fica.org/hr/ambon/ambon1/Sanggauledo2.html] [http://www.oocities.org/~budis1/article/head_hunter2.htm] [http://www.fica.org/hr/Sanggauledo.html] [http://ceritaindonesia.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/dayak-vs-madura1.jpg]<br />
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You can see that the Banyuwangi riots were not related to Muslims vs non-Muslims. [http://www.insideindonesia.org/weekly-articles/the-banyuwangi-murders]<br />
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There IS real religious violence in Indonesia, like the images of the girl beheaded by Islamists in Sulawesi, but these other images are incorrect.<br />
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These are the specific images which should be removed- [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_17.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082447&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e1.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145124&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e2.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145136&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e3.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145149&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e4.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145205&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e5.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145219&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e6.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145232&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_19.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082509&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e7.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145244&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e8.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145256&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_10.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082327&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_13.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082403&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_15.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082425&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_17.jpg&filetimestamp=20110716082447&] [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=File:Indonesia_e9.jpeg&filetimestamp=20110430145309&]<br />
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Its because some idiots on internet forums in China heard what was going on in Indonesia in May 1998 with looting of Chinese stores and rapes, so when they looked up "Indonesia riots" on the internet, they got the wrong photos, and pasted these photos all over their forums. This is how these photos originally got mislabelled.<br />
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In Myanmar, some Islamists falsely took photos of Tsunami victims, earthquake victims in China, and of Tibetan protestors setting themselves on fire, and labelled them as Rohingya Muslims getting killed by Burmese Buddhists. [http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2012/0803/Pakistan-s-extremists-whip-up-frenzy-over-Burma-s-Muslims] [http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/12867/social-media-is-lying-to-you-about-burmas-muslim-cleansing/] [http://www.irrawaddy.org/rohingya/canadian-ngo-protests-rohingya-misinformation.html] [http://archive.thedailystar.net/beta2/news/where-lies-reign-supreme/] [http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-photos-with-dead-bodies-in-media-reports-on-myanmar-conflict/5302994] [http://tibet.net/2012/08/04/pak-extremists-exaggerating-violence-against-burmas-muslims-to-fund-own-agendas/]<br />
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What happened here is not deliberate like what those Islamists did, but it still needs to be corrected. In fact you can create an article about fake images used by Islamists in the Rohingya conflict instead. [[User:Cleft|Cleft]] ([[User talk:Cleft|talk]]) 23:22, 10 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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:Cool. Thanks for that info. I will read through those links you provided and sort them out soon when I get time. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:04, 11 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Thanks again for bringing this issue to my attention. It has now been sorted. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 14:30, 20 August 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== You have some time? ==<br />
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Axius is gone for days. Do you have the time to review one or two additions per day? Then I will make them at that rate. Also I have many hadiths on angels. eg, giant angels, carriers of the throne. Is is best fit for QHS cosmology or a new QHS? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 05:42, 7 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Saggy, I'm sorry, I don't. It's probably best to stick with sandboxes (that goes for your angel query too), as Axius advised. I'm only helping out as a transitional courtesy here and will soon be winding down my own editing further. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 00:47, 8 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Page for Editing Permissions==<br />
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I was thinking of renaming "http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Pending_Changes_Protection" to 'Editing Permissions' or something (Editing Rights, Editing privileges) so it can be more broad and we can talk about protection of pages in more situations (vandalism or new editors or those who have been told not to edit the main space). I'll think about it and maybe make a page in Sandbox. <br />
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Also I feel editors who have been told not to edit main space should not be listed on the Editors [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Meet_the_Editors] page. I'm guessing you'd agree with that. That would only mean removing Saggy (which I had added myself). I feel we want to represent editors who display at least a minimum level of good judgement. That would mean that if they've been asked not to edit main space, that doesnt show good judgement and we dont want people to see them and think they are examples of good editors. Nothing bad on them of course. If they improve their work in Sandboxes they can always be considered regular editors when they are allowed back on main space (slim chance of that happening but we want to be open to that possibility otherwise we might appear to be unkind). I've included this [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam%3AMeet_the_Editors&diff=109814&oldid=109618 note] as a comment on that page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:55, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:Yeah, I agree about the "Meet the Editors" page. I'll do that now. Concerning a "Editing Permissions" page, the idea is good, but I don't think the "Pending Changes Protection" page needs to be renamed for it. Rather, the "Editing Permissions" page could be its own separate page that links out from the "Pending Changes Protection" page (probably could add an inline link from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Pending_Changes_Protection#Can_my_edits_be_reviewed_automatically.3F this] section]). The subject of both pages is pretty distinct and so will be the pages linking to them. The new "Editing Permissions" page could include content from [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#New_Users this] section of the help page. Maybe it shouldn't be called "Editing Permissions" but some other name that makes it clear that it is the first port of call for new editors? [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 11:17, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::Yea I guess it would be better to have a new page on it. I cant think of any other name other than Editing permissions. Hmmmmm. How about these titles from Wikipedia:<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_access_levels<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_restrictions<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editorial_oversight_and_control<br />
::* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Quality_control<br />
::--[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:55, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::Actually, after reading [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#New_Users this] section of the help page again, isn't that what you basically want to put on this new page? In that case, what about, "[[WikiIslam:Note to New Users]]," or "[[WikiIslam:Message to New Users]]"? That page could then also mention and link to the Required Reading list. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:36, 22 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::Ok I'll try to expand that section on the Help page first and see how it looks and then maybe move it to a new page. Maybe I just need to add a few lines. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:48, 23 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::No need. I've created [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Message_to_New_Users that page] for you :) That what quicker to complete than I expected. I've now linked it from other pages etc. Let me know what you think. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 09:39, 24 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::Thats great. I think its a good idea to have a page just for new editors so they're more likely to read it and take this stuff more seriously. I linked it on [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:13, 25 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for fixing the Account Creation page. The policies group looks good drawing more attention to it. All of the recent changes should help quality control. And Sandbox pages look good too. I'll see if there's an easy way to auto populate sandbox pages with that template. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 03:34, 26 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
::::::::No probs. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:49, 26 September 2014 (PDT)<br />
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== Honorable mentions section on pages ==<br />
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How about linking Tarek Fateh's tweet on the What people say page (only because he's well known) and maybe a mention of this on the About page [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam#Muslims]? Throwing out some ideas. <br />
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Here's another idea. What about a section called "Honorable Mentions" at the bottom of a page if it was linked in such a way? People would love to know that and I know that would make them look at the page a second time and have greater respect for it. This will definitely encourage people to make more permanent (like a link on their website or blog) and temporary links (such as a post on a forum) to that page. This will also encourage other famous people to make such mentions (its a snowball effect).<br />
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I've also thought of having some kind of notes at the bottom of a page if for example a former Muslim mentions it saying that he was influenced by that page. This kind of information is interesting to readers. We know that there arent too many such pages. Maybe we can start tracking these kinds of things somewhere and when there's a lot we can do something about it (like how we did with the "What people say" page). Or a "Page Facts" / "About this page" / "Trivia" / "Page Trivia" section at the bottom (it could be a right-aligned box too so its less instrusive) where we can mention interesting tidbits like this about a page. For example the Page Trivia could have ''"1. Famous person X linked to this page. 2. Former Muslim Y was influnced by this page and mentioned it in their testimony. 3. This page was ... [XYZ] (something else interesting about this page)."'' <br />
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Definitely food for thought later on, if not now. Anyway whatever you think. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:05, 6 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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:Tarek Fatah is a critic of Islam. Everything he is known for, his activism, books, talks, and so on, is geared towards this. He has also been labelled an "Islamophobe" and has been likened to Robert Spencer. In some ways, he's probably more hated by Muslims than Robert, Ali, etc., because he self-identifies as a Muslim. So I don't think his tweet should be added to either page.<br />
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:About the trivia section at the bottom of pages, I'm against the idea as a whole (even before thinking of what those trivia sections will consist of). I think the idea, if implemented, would look odd. Some people may find it interesting, but it definitely wouldn't be professional or scholarly. And it's unnecessary clutter to pages that are already cluttered due to our (good) practice of referencing and heavily footnoting everything, using right aligned templates to link back to Core articles, etc. Wikipedia seems to agree; they limit back links and mentions in non-linkable media (scholarly journals, etc) to a box on the talk page of articles (e.g. see the page on Robert Spencer). Considering that Wikipedia uses some very unprofessional gimmicks (such as sometimes repeating key quotes in a larger font in a right aligned box), that's saying something. Think of broadsheets versus tabloids. We have the image of a broadsheet. That's what separates us from other similar sites. Resembling a tabloid may make it more interesting, but it drags the image of the site into the gutter. <br />
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:When we actually consider the potential content of these trivia sections, I don't think their effect would be at all positive. This site is different to most sites critical of Islam because it appeals even to those who are neutral towards Islam, even some orthodox Muslims use it as a resources for chronology of the Qur'an, fake hadith list etc. (think back about four years and you'll remember telling me this was your ultimate aim; to one day go around the wiki and remove all opinions, right-wing nonsense, etc. and thankfully I think that has been achieved). Of course, there's still a long way to go, and many more "neutrals" and Muslims that need to be attracted to the site (critics will already use the site, so trying to attract them is like singing to the choir i.e. pretty pointless). So:<br />
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:1. '''"Famous person X linked to this page."'''<br />
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:These "famous people" will almost certainly be critics of Islam. It's great that they use this site. That's what it's here for, for people to use. But celebrating this fact is counter-productive. Most of them come with unwanted baggage, such as discriminatory views on immigration, unwavering support for a certain nation over the other (regardless of their individual actions), and so on. What they believe shouldn't affect how people treat what they say about Islam, but in the real world it does. And if the wiki celebrates their use of the site, it unloads all of their unwanted baggage onto it. If a neutral or Muslim reads that at the bottom of the page (or even on the talk page) the instant reaction would be, "Tarek Fatah/Pat Condell/whoever likes this page? Then it's Islamophobic rubbish. Goodbye." It will even effect those who link to us in forum posts, because when forummers visit the link to see his/her side of the argument, they will too most likely dismiss it just as easily.<br />
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:2. '''"Former Muslim Y was influenced by this page and mentioned it in their testimony"'''<br />
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:This will probably have the same effect as reading number 1. In addition to that, it reflects badly on the site and makes it look too agenda driven. The point is, this site is here to educate and provide facts. Nothing more and nothing less. This (proper facts etc.) will obviously cause quite a few Muslims to leave Islam, but it should remain just that; a side-effect of eduction and proper facts. The site mission now is to "provide an accurate and comprehensive resource on Islam," not to "provide facts in order to help Muslims leave Islam" (as I believe it once was many years ago). Retaining such attitudes will result in a regression of the site's status, rather than an evolution of it. A site that still thinks of itself as a place to "provide facts in order to help Muslims leave Islam" will never be taken seriously by anyone other than the choir. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:39, 7 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Ok thats fine. Well at least it was advertised to 51K followers so there's that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:52, 7 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Translation of QHS:Corruption of Previous Scriptures ==<br />
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{{user|Damaskin}} sent an email saying he only wants to translate [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Corruption_of_Previous_Scriptures]] and not the whole series and I told thats most likely OK but I wanted to confirm with you. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:54, 10 November 2014 (PST)<br />
:Oh yeah, that's cool. The QHS section is not like a series written by one person, so most of these QHS pages can definitely stand on their own. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:01, 12 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Cool I'll let him know. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:15, 13 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Correspondence with visitors ==<br />
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This is totally up to you. You're probably already busy but if you want, I can forward you any interesting inquiries we get and we can publish them and their response online for people to read. It should result in more traffic (people will love to read those emails) and more emails as well (which could be a problem too). You can respond in any way you like. I could forward only a few or all the ones. I had talked about this before but I couldn't find any security settings that would help two people check the same account easily without any issues. <br />
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We could also have another email address which you can make and we can have people writing to that address for inquiries. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:59, 11 November 2014 (PST)<br />
:Hi Ax. What sorts of emails are they usually? I don't have too much time, but if you forwarded them to me I would try to answer the serious/important ones if you would like. I'm guessing you get a lot of trolling-type emails calling the site "Islamophobic". I think these can mostly be ignored, unless they include misconceptions that you and I can try to dispel. Email me if you want and we can discuss this more freely. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:20, 12 November 2014 (PST)<br />
::Yea half of them are 'hate' mails that happen max of around once a month and even less. The frequency of all mails combined isnt too much since we dont make it easy for people to get that page (about, scroll down and hunt for the Contact link; as opposed to a straight 'contact us' link on every page which many sites have and that would make it easier for them). That was by design so we only get contacted on that address by people who really want to do so. Ok I'll forward you a few and continue this there. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:26, 13 November 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Changing Essays ==<br />
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[[The Rising Star of Incompetent Muslim Science]] would look better and the site would also give a better impression if the title was changed to something more nuetral and the language was modified. Do our current policies say essays should not be changed? I'm thinking they could be changed if the material can be edited to more closely follow the [[WikiIslam:Article Style and Content Guide|Style guidelines]]. And then the author can still keep their name in the article. Happy holidays. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:21, 24 December 2014 (PST)<br />
:Hi Ax. Thanks. I had a very Merry Christmas. Hope you did too. Yeah, I don't see a problem with administrators copy-editing essays for the sake of style. WikiIslam's essays policy ATM says, "If needed, essays/op-eds may be edited for relevance, clarity and language issues." So it would fit in with that, and it's hardly the same as another editor coming along and trying to alter the message/subject/focus of the essay (i.e. Sunshine). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 18:10, 27 December 2014 (PST)<br />
::I've moved that page and all associated links to "[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quran_and_Modern_Science_%E2%80%93_Conflict_or_Conciliation Qur’an and Modern Science: Conflict or Conciliation?]", so at least the first issue is sorted. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 18:27, 27 December 2014 (PST)<br />
:::Better than before, thanks. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:22, 28 December 2014 (PST)<br />
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== Spanish Template ==<br />
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Thanks for your message :)! I promise to complete the other pending articles on this week. Here goes:<br />
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[[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 18:52, 10 January 2015 (PST)<br />
:Thanks a lot. I'm now going to add Spanish to the sidebar on the left. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:13, 11 January 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Translations of textimonies ==<br />
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[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Waterlily_-_Voormalige_Moslem] For example. We can have a template note at the top of each testimony saying:<br />
:This is a translation of the original <nowiki>[[</nowiki>link|English testimony]].<br />
Link can go to the English page. The English one can have a note at the bottom saying<br />
:This testimony has been translated into <nowiki>[[</nowiki>link|Afrikaans]]. <br />
That will be easier than putting it in the Infobox. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:25, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
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:Cool. I've made two templates now ([http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Testimony-translation-afrikaans][http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Testimony-translation-english]). We'll need to get the first one translated into Afrikaans. About the second (English) one; could you please add that as an optional parameter to ''template:apostate-top'' like you have with the ''source='' thing? It would look much better without it being separated by that giant gap (the gap is in the original one obviously to provide a little space between the "legal" or "informational" stuff and the actual content). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:23, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
::Done: [[Template:Apostate-top]] and [[Template:Apostate-top-afrikaans]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 07:30, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
:::Awesome! Thanks, Ax! [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 11:42, 12 January 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Additional translation links for Russian articles ==<br />
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Looking back I think I didnt have the best idea to keep Russian articles linked different by saying "for other languages see the links on the left". It would have been better to keep them all in the same place (unified) at the bottom of the page like we say it for other languages. Oops. Oh well. If you agree maybe that can be fixed one day for all the translations. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:51, 7 February 2015 (PST)<br />
:Yeah, I definitely agree. We should look to fixing that in the future. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 02:59, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
::Ok. I'll add it to the tasks list. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:03, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Translation steps ==<br />
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I wonder if this section can be moved to the top or bottom [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Instructions_for_Translators#Steps_for_a_Translation] and expanded to be a good checklist of the stuff that needs to be done (taking stuff from what that page says but in shortened bullet form). This way the translators themselves can follow that checklist and make all the changes. There can be sub-bullets too like 1.1 or 1.a, 1.b.. or just bullets under an existing bullet (* and then ** will make it a sub-bullet). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:12, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
:I think the way the page is set up right now is good because it covers pretty much everything, and it does it in the right order, and even splits it up into bite-sized stages. So if translators actually read the page, they couldn't go wrong. However they'd have to actually read the thing in the first place. So yeah, maybe a "Summary" section at the top of that page (or maybe even putting it back [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#Help_and_Guidelines here]?) would encourage that. I dunno. Maybe it will discourage new translators from ever reading the indepth part? Anyways, I'll try to write something up soon when I get time and we can see what it looks like. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:44, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
::Cool. Either place would be good. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:17, 10 February 2015 (PST)<br />
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== Shia hadith ==<br />
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I dono if we discussed this before. But if i want to add Shia Hadith, where is the right place? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 23:16, 14 February 2015 (PST)<br />
:Hi Saggy. No we haven't discussed this before. And I don't think anyone has ever suggested/tried adding Shi'ite hadith to any pages before. I don't know how we would approach that. One thing we can't do is add Shi'ite hadith to pages with Sunni hadith or even to pages that discuss mainstream (i.e. Sunni) Islam. Doing so would undermine the credibility of those pages (they will be dismissed out-of-hand by Muslims with something like "LOL they use Shia hadith. Shia aint Muslim XD".). Shi'ite's are a minority so criticism of their religion is not really that high on the importance factor, but if it was done, it would probably be best confined to their own dedicated pages (they could then be linked from the [[Shiites|Shi'ites]] hub page). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:13, 15 February 2015 (PST)<br />
<br />
== Highlight in RC for unchecked edits ==<br />
<br />
I want to remove the Yellow and bold that comes for the unchecked edits. I think its too strong/annoying. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges . What do you think? We could just have it in normal text.<br />
<br />
The yellow/bold creates some kind of pressure as if its urgent and has to be done right now which is not the case. So yea I think I'll remove that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:05, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:Yeah, totally agree. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Ok great. I got rid of it. It just looks like normal text now. -> http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:RecentChanges --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:27, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:::Awesome. Looks much better. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:29, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
There's two commas in this one (after Daniel pipes):<br />
::::I added the bold back but not the color so atleast there's some difference between review text and other stuff but not too strong. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:09, 22 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:{{external link|url= http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2010/09/defecation-torah-new-testament|title= Istinja' with the Torah and New Testament|publisher= |author= Daniel Pipes|date= Sep 21, 2010|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.danielpipes.org%2Fblog%2F2010%2F09%2Fdefecation-torah-new-testament&date=2015-03-14|deadurl=no}}<br />
<br />
And one comma in this one (after the name) that doesnt have a date in it:<br />
:{{external link|url= http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2010/09/defecation-torah-new-testament|title= Istinja' with the Torah and New Testament|publisher= |author= Daniel Pipes|date= |archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.danielpipes.org%2Fblog%2F2010%2F09%2Fdefecation-torah-new-testament&date=2015-03-14|deadurl=no}}<br />
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There's probably more bugs in it that I dont know of. [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Taurat&diff=111843&oldid=111842 There] I put the name in the 'link desc', just to make it work but it should really be in the Author field. Hopefully I'll fix it some day. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:43, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
<br />
:::Oh okay. Actually, I think the fact that you can put miscellaneous text in the desc field makes this template perfectly usable. Because if an "author" name is ever needed in an external link, then by default the editor who adds that link should also be providing us with the article's publisher and publication date. When those three fields are filled, the template works as intended. It's like with our citeweb template. Just because it can be used with a single field filled, does not mean that it is allowed on WikiIslam. As stated on WikiIslam:Citing Sources, the minimum parameters that should be used are: url= | title= | author= | publisher= | date= | archiveurl= | deadurl=no/yes. I will edit the instructions on that template to let editors know. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 16:59, 14 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
::::Yea sure it can be used if those fields are filled out. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 07:58, 15 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
<br />
== Translations completed ==<br />
<br />
Spanish translations of [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Quien matara a una persona (Corán 5:32)|If Anyone Slew a Person (Qur'an 5:32)]] and [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/Falsos crímenes de odio anti-musulmán y otras mentiras|Fake Anti-Muslim Hate Crimes and Other Lies]]* are finished and ready to be checked.<br />
<br /> *I don't know how to translate the names of the country template.<br />
[[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 09:29, 21 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:Hi Aelu. That's great. I'll check those pages as soon as I can. No need to worry about the names in the country templates. I'll do that myself (if you like, you can check the Diffs to see what I did). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 23:14, 22 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
::Thank you so much for your help, specially for translating the countries. [[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 07:10, 27 March 2015 (PDT)<br />
:::You're welcome! [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 11:03, 27 March 2015 (PDT)</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Translations&diff=112139WikiIslam:Translations2015-03-27T12:53:32Z<p>Sahab: /* Help and Guidelines */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[WikiIslam]] is an international website with editors, contributors and visitors from all over the world. Its [[WikiIslam:Policies and Guidelines|policies and guidelines]] reflect this by requiring material to be tailored to accommodate, as best as possible, a universal audience. One of the major issues faced by sites that appeal to a universal audience is the language barrier. The WikiIslam Translation Project aims to rectify this by providing [[:Category:Other Languages|translations]] of its content in all languages.<br />
{{shortcut|[[WITR]]}}<br />
==Sub-Domains==<br />
<br />
A [[Main_Page|main page's]] worth of translations (about 25-35 full-length articles, excluding humorous or media pages) is the amount of material required before considering to launch a new sub-domain in any language. Although WikiIslam's [[WikiIslam:Core Principles|Core Principles]] will remain, once these initial translations are completed, the new sub-domains are free to evolve separately to the English site. <br />
<br />
One of the key rules to follow when translating these pre-sub-domain articles is that they should always remain absolutely faithful to the original English work, retaining their scholarly tone and information. The reason for accurate translations to begin with is that it allows new editors in that particular language to understand the style, tone, and quality that is expected in all languages.<br />
<br />
It also allows existing administrators to see if there are any users (at least one regular and reliable editor) who would be suitable and willing to take on the responsibility of guiding the future direction of that sub-domain. To be an administrator at this site or one of its sub-domains, an editor must demonstrate that they fully understand and are willing to uphold the policies and guidelines concerning style, tone, and quality. <br />
<br />
Editors are expected to take a scholarly and rational approach in their conduct and criticisms, adhering to stringent rules concerning the content of articles. Material should always be tailored to accommodate, as best as possible, a universal audience, and they should contain no politics, no promotion or criticism of other religions/worldviews and no opinions, only referenced facts. <br />
<br />
Those who would like to see a WikiIslam sub-domain in their language are advised to join the [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project|WikiIslam Translation Project]] and start translating articles.<br />
<br />
==Articles to Translate==<br />
Here is an initial list of articles that can be translated. These are popular pages or otherwise good candidates for translation:<br />
<br />
;About<br />
* [[WikiIslam]] <br />
* [[WikiIslam:Core Principles]] <br />
<br />
;Women<br />
* [[72 Virgins]] <br />
* [[Aishas Age of Consummation|Aisha's Age of Consummation]] <br />
* [[Responses to Apologetics - Muhammad and Aisha|Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha]]<br />
* [[Health Effects of Islamic Dress]]<br />
* [[Purpose of the Mahr]]<br />
* [[The Meaning of Nikah]]<br />
<br />
; Muhammad<br />
* [[The Timeline of Muhammad]]<br />
* [[List of Muhammads Wives and Concubines|List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines]]<br />
<br />
;Violence:<br />
* [[Invitations to Islam Prior to Violence]]<br />
* [[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]]<br />
* [[Jahannam]]<br />
<br />
;Science<br />
* [[Flat Earth and the Quran|Flat Earth and the Qur'an]]<br />
* [[List of Genuine Islamic Inventions Innovations Records and Firsts|List of Genuine Islamic Inventions, Innovations, Records and Firsts]]<br />
* [[Dr. Keith Moore and the Islamic Additions|Dr. Keith Moore and the "Islamic Additions"]]<br />
* [[Setting the Record Straight - The Non-Miracle of Islamic Science|Setting the Record Straight: The Non-Miracle of Islamic Science]]<br />
<br />
; Others<br />
* [[Priapism - Permanent Erection|Priapism (Permanent Erection)]]<br />
* [[Allah the Best Deceiver]]<br />
* [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Lying and Deception]]<br />
* [[Adverse Effects of Islamic Fasting]]<br />
* [[List of Fabricated Hadith]]<br />
* [[Fastest Growing Religion]]<br />
* [[Georgics]]<br />
* Any relevant pages from our [[QHS]] series for topics that are often discussed in your country or language. For example [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Zakat|QHS:Zakat]], or [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Female Genital Mutilation|Female Genital Mutilation]] are good candidates.<br />
<br />
;Short articles<br />
<br />
* [[Kalachakra Tantra]]<br />
* [[Zunar]]<br />
* [[Leprosy]]<br />
<br />
Alternatively, an article from the topics listed on the [[WikiIslam:Site Map|site map]] can be chosen. However, before beginning translation work on an article not listed here, editors are advised to leave a message on the [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project|forum]] page or their own talk page mentioning what they would like to translate. This allows administrators to make sure a project that is difficult to complete or is not optimal in some way is not started.<br />
<br />
==Articles to Avoid==<br />
<br />
Translations of most articles are welcome, but there are a few that should be avoided:<br />
<br />
* Articles that [[:Category:Articles needing attention|need further work]] or are awaiting a [[:Category:Articles needing to be rewritten|complete rewrite]].<br />
<br />
* [[:Category:Core Article|Core articles]] that contain quick summaries of issues with links to complete articles. These should only be translated if the linked articles have also been translated (without the linked articles, a Core article is redundant). <br />
<br />
==Help and Guidelines==<br />
<br />
The "[[WikiIslam:Instructions for Translators|Instructions for Translators]]" page provides an in-depth, step-by-step guide for new translators to follow at WikiIslam. it covers everything from creating an account to announcing a completed translation on the main page. If translators find any of the steps difficult to follow, they can leave a message on the Translation Project's [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project|Discussions page]]. The following is a quick summary, but new editors should still read the full instructions before attempting their first translation:<br />
<br />
# Go to [[Help:Contents]]. Type the translated title of the chosen article into the "Create Page" box. If any of these characters exist in the title, avoid using them: brackets, commas, colons, semi-colons etc. These can be added into the title later by using <tt><nowiki>{{Page title|Desired page title}}</nowiki></tt> at the bottom of the page.<br />
#After clicking "Create page" you will see a blank page.<br />
# Open another window. Then go to the chosen article and click the 'Edit' button. You will now see the text and all the wiki-formatting of the target article.<br />
# Copy and paste the entire thing into the blank page you created. In Windows, Select all text and then CTRL-C; CTRL-V to paste.<br />
# Start the translation. Delete the English text as you go. You can also keep another window open which has the original article in a regular view (non-editable).<br />
# Add the language hub page, translation links template, add/remove the relevant categories (and everything else discussed [[WikiIslam:Instructions_for_Translators#Post-Translation|here]]), under the "See Also" section.<br />
# After the translation is complete, you can preview and save the page. <br />
# Create the necessary links to and from the new translation. This includes a link in each and every version of the translated page (in their own languages), a link from the language hub page, and a link from the "Latest Translations" template so the new translation appears on the main page.<br />
# To find what you have been working on, click the 'My contributions' link at the top right.<br />
<br />
==Updates==<br />
<br />
'''July 14, 2013:'''<br />
<br />
Preliminary work on a Russian sub-domain (http://ru.wikiislam.net/) has been completed and the site is now officially open to the public. Russian speakers who are interested in helping the Russian WikiIslam's continued growth can contact the Russian site administrator on their [[:Ru:Обсуждение_участника:Claustrum|talk page]].<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
* [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project]]<br />
* [[WikiIslam:Instructions for Translators]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:WikiIslam]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Translations&diff=112138WikiIslam:Translations2015-03-27T12:51:32Z<p>Sahab: /* Help and Guidelines */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[WikiIslam]] is an international website with editors, contributors and visitors from all over the world. Its [[WikiIslam:Policies and Guidelines|policies and guidelines]] reflect this by requiring material to be tailored to accommodate, as best as possible, a universal audience. One of the major issues faced by sites that appeal to a universal audience is the language barrier. The WikiIslam Translation Project aims to rectify this by providing [[:Category:Other Languages|translations]] of its content in all languages.<br />
{{shortcut|[[WITR]]}}<br />
==Sub-Domains==<br />
<br />
A [[Main_Page|main page's]] worth of translations (about 25-35 full-length articles, excluding humorous or media pages) is the amount of material required before considering to launch a new sub-domain in any language. Although WikiIslam's [[WikiIslam:Core Principles|Core Principles]] will remain, once these initial translations are completed, the new sub-domains are free to evolve separately to the English site. <br />
<br />
One of the key rules to follow when translating these pre-sub-domain articles is that they should always remain absolutely faithful to the original English work, retaining their scholarly tone and information. The reason for accurate translations to begin with is that it allows new editors in that particular language to understand the style, tone, and quality that is expected in all languages.<br />
<br />
It also allows existing administrators to see if there are any users (at least one regular and reliable editor) who would be suitable and willing to take on the responsibility of guiding the future direction of that sub-domain. To be an administrator at this site or one of its sub-domains, an editor must demonstrate that they fully understand and are willing to uphold the policies and guidelines concerning style, tone, and quality. <br />
<br />
Editors are expected to take a scholarly and rational approach in their conduct and criticisms, adhering to stringent rules concerning the content of articles. Material should always be tailored to accommodate, as best as possible, a universal audience, and they should contain no politics, no promotion or criticism of other religions/worldviews and no opinions, only referenced facts. <br />
<br />
Those who would like to see a WikiIslam sub-domain in their language are advised to join the [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project|WikiIslam Translation Project]] and start translating articles.<br />
<br />
==Articles to Translate==<br />
Here is an initial list of articles that can be translated. These are popular pages or otherwise good candidates for translation:<br />
<br />
;About<br />
* [[WikiIslam]] <br />
* [[WikiIslam:Core Principles]] <br />
<br />
;Women<br />
* [[72 Virgins]] <br />
* [[Aishas Age of Consummation|Aisha's Age of Consummation]] <br />
* [[Responses to Apologetics - Muhammad and Aisha|Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha]]<br />
* [[Health Effects of Islamic Dress]]<br />
* [[Purpose of the Mahr]]<br />
* [[The Meaning of Nikah]]<br />
<br />
; Muhammad<br />
* [[The Timeline of Muhammad]]<br />
* [[List of Muhammads Wives and Concubines|List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines]]<br />
<br />
;Violence:<br />
* [[Invitations to Islam Prior to Violence]]<br />
* [[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]]<br />
* [[Jahannam]]<br />
<br />
;Science<br />
* [[Flat Earth and the Quran|Flat Earth and the Qur'an]]<br />
* [[List of Genuine Islamic Inventions Innovations Records and Firsts|List of Genuine Islamic Inventions, Innovations, Records and Firsts]]<br />
* [[Dr. Keith Moore and the Islamic Additions|Dr. Keith Moore and the "Islamic Additions"]]<br />
* [[Setting the Record Straight - The Non-Miracle of Islamic Science|Setting the Record Straight: The Non-Miracle of Islamic Science]]<br />
<br />
; Others<br />
* [[Priapism - Permanent Erection|Priapism (Permanent Erection)]]<br />
* [[Allah the Best Deceiver]]<br />
* [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Lying and Deception]]<br />
* [[Adverse Effects of Islamic Fasting]]<br />
* [[List of Fabricated Hadith]]<br />
* [[Fastest Growing Religion]]<br />
* [[Georgics]]<br />
* Any relevant pages from our [[QHS]] series for topics that are often discussed in your country or language. For example [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Zakat|QHS:Zakat]], or [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Female Genital Mutilation|Female Genital Mutilation]] are good candidates.<br />
<br />
;Short articles<br />
<br />
* [[Kalachakra Tantra]]<br />
* [[Zunar]]<br />
* [[Leprosy]]<br />
<br />
Alternatively, an article from the topics listed on the [[WikiIslam:Site Map|site map]] can be chosen. However, before beginning translation work on an article not listed here, editors are advised to leave a message on the [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project|forum]] page or their own talk page mentioning what they would like to translate. This allows administrators to make sure a project that is difficult to complete or is not optimal in some way is not started.<br />
<br />
==Articles to Avoid==<br />
<br />
Translations of most articles are welcome, but there are a few that should be avoided:<br />
<br />
* Articles that [[:Category:Articles needing attention|need further work]] or are awaiting a [[:Category:Articles needing to be rewritten|complete rewrite]].<br />
<br />
* [[:Category:Core Article|Core articles]] that contain quick summaries of issues with links to complete articles. These should only be translated if the linked articles have also been translated (without the linked articles, a Core article is redundant). <br />
<br />
==Help and Guidelines==<br />
<br />
The "[[WikiIslam:Instructions for Translators|Instructions for Translators]]" page provides an in-depth, step-by-step guide for new translators to follow at WikiIslam. it covers everything from creating an account to announcing a completed translation on the main page. If translators find any of the steps difficult to follow, they can leave a message on the Translation Project's [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project|Discussions page]]. The following is a quick summary, but new editors should still read the full instructions before attempting their first translation:<br />
<br />
# Go to [[Help:Contents]]. Type the translated title of the chosen article into the "Create Page" box. If any of these characters exist in the title, avoid using them: brackets, commas, colons, semi-colons etc. These can be added into the title later by using <tt><nowiki>{{Page title|Desired page title}}</nowiki></tt> at the bottom of the page.<br />
#After clicking "Create page" you will see a blank page.<br />
# Open another window. Then go to the chosen article and click the 'Edit' button. You will now see the text and all the wiki-formatting of the target article.<br />
# Copy and paste the entire thing into the blank page you created. In Windows, Select all text and then CTRL-C; CTRL-V to paste.<br />
# Now start the translation. Delete the English text as you go. You can also keep another window open which has the original article in a regular view (non-editable).<br />
# Add the language hub page, translation links template, add/remove the relevant categories (and everything else discussed [[WikiIslam:Instructions_for_Translators#Post-Translation|here]], under the "See Also" section.<br />
# After the translation is complete, you can preview and save the page. <br />
# Then create the necessary links to and from the new translation. This includes a link in each and every version of the translated page, in their own languages, a link from the language hub page, and a link on the "Latest Translations" template so the translation appears on the main page.<br />
# To find what you have been working on, click the 'My contributions' link at the top right.<br />
<br />
==Updates==<br />
<br />
'''July 14, 2013:'''<br />
<br />
Preliminary work on a Russian sub-domain (http://ru.wikiislam.net/) has been completed and the site is now officially open to the public. Russian speakers who are interested in helping the Russian WikiIslam's continued growth can contact the Russian site administrator on their [[:Ru:Обсуждение_участника:Claustrum|talk page]].<br />
<br />
==See Also==<br />
<br />
* [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project]]<br />
* [[WikiIslam:Instructions for Translators]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:WikiIslam]]</div>Sahabhttps://wikiislamica.net/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Translations&diff=112137WikiIslam:Translations2015-03-27T12:50:40Z<p>Sahab: /* Help and Guidelines */</p>
<hr />
<div>[[WikiIslam]] is an international website with editors, contributors and visitors from all over the world. Its [[WikiIslam:Policies and Guidelines|policies and guidelines]] reflect this by requiring material to be tailored to accommodate, as best as possible, a universal audience. One of the major issues faced by sites that appeal to a universal audience is the language barrier. The WikiIslam Translation Project aims to rectify this by providing [[:Category:Other Languages|translations]] of its content in all languages.<br />
{{shortcut|[[WITR]]}}<br />
==Sub-Domains==<br />
<br />
A [[Main_Page|main page's]] worth of translations (about 25-35 full-length articles, excluding humorous or media pages) is the amount of material required before considering to launch a new sub-domain in any language. Although WikiIslam's [[WikiIslam:Core Principles|Core Principles]] will remain, once these initial translations are completed, the new sub-domains are free to evolve separately to the English site. <br />
<br />
One of the key rules to follow when translating these pre-sub-domain articles is that they should always remain absolutely faithful to the original English work, retaining their scholarly tone and information. The reason for accurate translations to begin with is that it allows new editors in that particular language to understand the style, tone, and quality that is expected in all languages.<br />
<br />
It also allows existing administrators to see if there are any users (at least one regular and reliable editor) who would be suitable and willing to take on the responsibility of guiding the future direction of that sub-domain. To be an administrator at this site or one of its sub-domains, an editor must demonstrate that they fully understand and are willing to uphold the policies and guidelines concerning style, tone, and quality. <br />
<br />
Editors are expected to take a scholarly and rational approach in their conduct and criticisms, adhering to stringent rules concerning the content of articles. Material should always be tailored to accommodate, as best as possible, a universal audience, and they should contain no politics, no promotion or criticism of other religions/worldviews and no opinions, only referenced facts. <br />
<br />
Those who would like to see a WikiIslam sub-domain in their language are advised to join the [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project|WikiIslam Translation Project]] and start translating articles.<br />
<br />
==Articles to Translate==<br />
Here is an initial list of articles that can be translated. These are popular pages or otherwise good candidates for translation:<br />
<br />
;About<br />
* [[WikiIslam]] <br />
* [[WikiIslam:Core Principles]] <br />
<br />
;Women<br />
* [[72 Virgins]] <br />
* [[Aishas Age of Consummation|Aisha's Age of Consummation]] <br />
* [[Responses to Apologetics - Muhammad and Aisha|Responses to Apologetics: Muhammad and Aisha]]<br />
* [[Health Effects of Islamic Dress]]<br />
* [[Purpose of the Mahr]]<br />
* [[The Meaning of Nikah]]<br />
<br />
; Muhammad<br />
* [[The Timeline of Muhammad]]<br />
* [[List of Muhammads Wives and Concubines|List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines]]<br />
<br />
;Violence:<br />
* [[Invitations to Islam Prior to Violence]]<br />
* [[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]]<br />
* [[Jahannam]]<br />
<br />
;Science<br />
* [[Flat Earth and the Quran|Flat Earth and the Qur'an]]<br />
* [[List of Genuine Islamic Inventions Innovations Records and Firsts|List of Genuine Islamic Inventions, Innovations, Records and Firsts]]<br />
* [[Dr. Keith Moore and the Islamic Additions|Dr. Keith Moore and the "Islamic Additions"]]<br />
* [[Setting the Record Straight - The Non-Miracle of Islamic Science|Setting the Record Straight: The Non-Miracle of Islamic Science]]<br />
<br />
; Others<br />
* [[Priapism - Permanent Erection|Priapism (Permanent Erection)]]<br />
* [[Allah the Best Deceiver]]<br />
* [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Lying and Deception]]<br />
* [[Adverse Effects of Islamic Fasting]]<br />
* [[List of Fabricated Hadith]]<br />
* [[Fastest Growing Religion]]<br />
* [[Georgics]]<br />
* Any relevant pages from our [[QHS]] series for topics that are often discussed in your country or language. For example [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Zakat|QHS:Zakat]], or [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Female Genital Mutilation|Female Genital Mutilation]] are good candidates.<br />
<br />
;Short articles<br />
<br />
* [[Kalachakra Tantra]]<br />
* [[Zunar]]<br />
* [[Leprosy]]<br />
<br />
Alternatively, an article from the topics listed on the [[WikiIslam:Site Map|site map]] can be chosen. However, before beginning translation work on an article not listed here, editors are advised to leave a message on the [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project|forum]] page or their own talk page mentioning what they would like to translate. This allows administrators to make sure a project that is difficult to complete or is not optimal in some way is not started.<br />
<br />
==Articles to Avoid==<br />
<br />
Translations of most articles are welcome, but there are a few that should be avoided:<br />
<br />
* Articles that [[:Category:Articles needing attention|need further work]] or are awaiting a [[:Category:Articles needing to be rewritten|complete rewrite]].<br />
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* [[:Category:Core Article|Core articles]] that contain quick summaries of issues with links to complete articles. These should only be translated if the linked articles have also been translated (without the linked articles, a Core article is redundant). <br />
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==Help and Guidelines==<br />
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The "[[WikiIslam:Instructions for Translators|Instructions for Translators]]" page provides an in-depth, step-by-step guide for new translators to follow at WikiIslam. it covers everything from creating an account to announcing a completed translation on the main page. If translators find any of the steps difficult to follow, they can leave a message on the Translation Project's [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project|Discussions page]]. The following is a quick summary but new editors should still the full instructions before their first translation:<br />
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# Go to [[Help:Contents]]. Type the translated title of the chosen article into the "Create Page" box. If any of these characters exist in the title, avoid using them: brackets, commas, colons, semi-colons etc. These can be added into the title later by using <tt><nowiki>{{Page title|Desired page title}}</nowiki></tt> at the bottom of the page.<br />
#After clicking "Create page" you will see a blank page.<br />
# Open another window. Then go to the chosen article and click the 'Edit' button. You will now see the text and all the wiki-formatting of the target article.<br />
# Copy and paste the entire thing into the blank page you created. In Windows, Select all text and then CTRL-C; CTRL-V to paste.<br />
# Now start the translation. Delete the English text as you go. You can also keep another window open which has the original article in a regular view (non-editable).<br />
# Add the language hub page, translation links template, add/remove the relevant categories (and everything else discussed [[WikiIslam:Instructions_for_Translators#Post-Translation|here]], under the "See Also" section.<br />
# After the translation is complete, you can preview and save the page. <br />
# Then create the necessary links to and from the new translation. This includes a link in each and every version of the translated page, in their own languages, a link from the language hub page, and a link on the "Latest Translations" template so the translation appears on the main page.<br />
# To find what you have been working on, click the 'My contributions' link at the top right.<br />
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==Updates==<br />
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'''July 14, 2013:'''<br />
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Preliminary work on a Russian sub-domain (http://ru.wikiislam.net/) has been completed and the site is now officially open to the public. Russian speakers who are interested in helping the Russian WikiIslam's continued growth can contact the Russian site administrator on their [[:Ru:Обсуждение_участника:Claustrum|talk page]].<br />
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* [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Translation Project]]<br />
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===General Discussion===<br />
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Due to a lack of time we are unable to respond to general comments or questions about Islam, or engage in general discussions. If you want to debate issues concerning Islam, there are numerous forums where you can do this (e.g. [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ here], [https://www.religiousforums.com/forums/islam-dir.11/ here], [http://www.interfaith.org/forum/islam.html here] and [http://www.faithology.com/community/forum/14-islam/ here]).<br />
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If you are interested in helping us and would like to know how to contribute, you can read the "[[WikiIslam:Join_the_Team|Join the Team]]" page. If you choose to create an account and become an editor, read the "[[WikiIslam:Message to New Users|Message to New Users]]" and "[[WikiIslam:Required Reading for Editors|Required Reading]]" pages.<br />
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If you want to comment on a specific WikiIslam article, you can use the article's discussion page to do this. Prior to creating a new discussion topic, read "[[WikiIslam:Talk Pages]]" for a summary of the general policies and guidelines concerning talk pages.<br />
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If you have an enquiry or suggestion for the site, you can use the [[WikiIslam:Discussions/Visitor Inquiries|Visitor Inquiries]] Discussions page. Prior to creating a new discussion topic, read "[[WikiIslam:Talk Pages]]" for a summary of the general policies and guidelines concerning talk pages.<br />
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If you have a complaint, concern or some other serious matter you would like to discuss with us, please feel free to use the email address found at the bottom of this page. Such reasons are why we provide a contact email address in the first place. However, be aware that emails which contain death threats or insults will be ignored. Do not post complaints, concerns or other serious matters on the [[WikiIslam:Discussions|Discussions]] pages. That is not why they are there for. Those pages are there for friendly discussions between editors (or for general enquiries), and we will not tolerate users who attempt to disrupt or discourage our editors with their complaints. If you do decide to violate our site's policies by posting them in the wrong place, your complaint will be reverted/wiped from the page's history and you will risk being blocked from further editing.<br />
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'''WikiIslam''' is a community edited [[websites|website]] which focuses on the critique of [[Islam]], whilst also allowing [[:Category:Pro-Islamic Content|pro-Islamic responses]] in separate articles. It is run on the same software that [[Wikipedia]] and other similar sites use.<br />
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==About==<br />
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WikiIslam's goal is to become the most comprehensive and accurate source of information on Islam. This information is based primarily on its own sources, the [[Qur'an]], [[hadith]] and Islamic scholars. It takes a rational approach in its handling of Islam and is notable for dealing extensively with [[Islam and Propaganda|false propaganda]] and [[Islam and Science|Islamic pseudoscience]].<br />
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The site aims to remain neutral towards other religions, world views, and issues of a political nature, such as immigration, multiculturalism, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and also to stay away from extremist, sensationalist or emotional commentary by simply letting the facts speak for themselves.<br />
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Contrary to what is sometimes claimed,<ref name="Criticism"></ref> the site [[WikiIslam:Reliable Sources#Sources to Avoid|exhorts editors]] to use non-polemic and scholarly secondary sources, and to attribute statements wherever possible. It makes copious use of authoritative primary and secondary pro-Islamic sources, such as the [[Compendium of Muslim Texts]], [[Sirat Rasul Allah|sirah]] literature and [[fatwa]]s from some of the most popular mainstream Islamic sites on the net.<br />
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It is an international site with editors and contributors from all over the world, and the policies and content reflect this. For example, editors are advised that no region should be given priority over another, and developments concerning Islam in [[Asia]] or [[Africa]] are as important as developments in [[Europe]] or the [[Americas]].<br />
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==History==<br />
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WikiIslam was created on October 27, 2005, in collaboration with various individuals from [[Faith Freedom International]] who provided the site with server space, technical help and exposure. The site remained in a testing phase for about a year and on September 4, 2006, it was opened to the public. <br />
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In September 2007, the server that hosted the site was hacked, and due to other server problems, editing was disabled at WikiIslam for almost a year.<br />
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In August 2008, the site was moved to a new server and since then it has been operating independently, remaining unaffiliated with or owned by any organization. Contrary to persistent claims propagated by apologists,<ref>For example, Sheila Musaji of [http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftheamericanmuslim.org%2Ftam.php%2Ffeatures%2Farticles%2Fali_sina%2F&date=2014-01-26 TheAmericanMuslim], who has been contacted but refuses to correct the error, claims WikiIslam is "run" by "Ali Sina and Faith Freedom" and "only prints material which is negative towards Islam." Both claims are wrong. WikiIslam hosts many [[:Category:Pro-Islamic Content|pro-Islamic articles]] written by Muslim editors.</ref> WikiIslam is not owned by [[Ali Sina]], FFI, Robert Spencer, [[Jihad Watch]] or any other organization.<ref>Note that neither of these individuals or their websites are considered reliable sources at WikiIslam. According to [[WikiIslam:Reliable_Sources#Other_Sources_2|WikiIslam:Reliable Sources]], ''"Statements of fact concerning Islam from polemic sources such as books, articles or commentaries by individuals such as Robert Spencer, Pamela Gellar, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Mark A. Gabriel, Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Walid Shoebat, Brigitte Gabriel etc. are not to be used under any circumstances as references on WikiIslam. If you come across any such statements, remove them immediately."''</ref><br />
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==Reception==<br />
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In December 2006, Göran Larsson presented a paper on WikiIslam at a conference in [[Sweden]]. At that point in time, the site was barely out of its infancy, only having been open to the public for three months, and Larsson was very critical. Today, with its new policies, new guidelines, thousands of more pages and the inclusion of pro-Islamic content aimed at presenting a positive image of Islam, WikiIslam remains the same only in name. But even back then in its primitive form, Larsson admitted that he could not label all the site "Islamophobic" in nature.<ref>Göran Larsson, [http://www.springerlink.com/content/p02g0g86387j4t62/ "Cyber-Islamophobia? The case of WikiIslam"], Contemporary Islam: Volume 1, Number 1, 53-67, DOI: 10.1007/s11562-007-0002-2</ref><br />
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Contrary to what is sometimes claimed,<ref name="Criticism"></ref> WikiIslam has not received any attention from news agencies such as the Associated Press (AP); however, its non-partisan approach to criticism has led to the site being linked to or referenced by various notable sites such as ''RichardDawkins.net''<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://richarddawkins.net/links?page=5|2=2012-02-07}} "About/ Links"], RichardDawkins.net, accessed February 7, 2012.</ref> and ''GreenProphet.com''.<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.greenprophet.com/2011/12/rain-prayers-sunny-friday/|title= Muslim President Calls for Rain Prayers on Sunny Friday|publisher= Green Prophet|author= Tafline Laylin|date= December 28, 2011|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.greenprophet.com/2011/12/rain-prayers-sunny-friday/&date=2012-02-07|deadurl=no}}</ref> It has also been cited by Prof. Dr. G. Hussein Rassool in his book, ''Cultural Competence in Caring for Muslim Patients'',<ref>{{cite web|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=r5nJAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT141&lpg=PT141&dq=Cultural+Competence+in+Caring+for+Muslim+Patients+wikiislam&source=bl&ots=oFOauH3oPg&sig=5Vtne1TY1qwgdldumOa-T9K6atU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UHENVIfmLY_lauWagZAO&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Cultural%20Competence%20in%20Caring%20for%20Muslim%20Patients%20wikiislam&f=false|title= Cultural Competence in Caring for Muslim Patients|publisher= Palgrave Macmillan|author= G. Hussein Rassool (Ed.)|date= April 25, 2014|isbn= 9781137358424|archiveurl= https://archive.today/AR6Nr|deadurl=no}}</ref> Dr. Heather Deegan in her book, ''Africa Today: Culture, Economics, Religion, Security'',<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.amazon.com/Africa-Today-Economics-Religion-Security/dp/0415418844/|title= Africa Today: Culture, Economics, Religion, Security|publisher= Routledge|author= Heather Deegan|date=December 26, 2008 |page= 100|isbn= 978-0415418843|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FAfrica-Today-Economics-Religion-Security%2Fdp%2F0415418844%2F&date=2013-07-20|deadurl=no}}</ref> Prof. Carlos Brebbia in his book, ''Disaster Management and Human Health Risk III: Reducing Risk, Improving Outcomes'',<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.amazon.com/Disaster-Management-Human-Health-Risk/dp/1845647386|title= Disaster Management and Human Health Risk III: Reducing Risk, Improving Outcomes|publisher= Wit Pr/Computational Mechanics|author= C. A. Brebbia|date= July 9, 2013|page= 366|isbn= 978-1845647384|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FDisaster-Management-Human-Health-Risk%2Fdp%2F1845647386&date=2013-07-25|deadurl=no}}</ref> and Dr. Stefan Kirchner in his paper published in the ''Baltic Journal of Law & Politics''.<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.degruyter.com/view/j/bjlp.2011.4.issue-1/v10076-011-0003-6/v10076-011-0003-6.xml|2=2013-07-20}} "Faith, Ethics and Religious Norms in a Globalized Environment: Freedom of Religion as a Challenge to the Regulation of Islamic Finance in Europe"]. Baltic Journal of Law & Politics. Volume 4, Issue 1, Pages 52–82, ISSN (Online) 2029-0454, ISSN (Print) , DOI: 10.2478/v10076-011-0003-6, August 2011.</ref><br />
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Due to the focus of the site, the most noticeable reactions from Muslims has been negative.<ref name="Criticism">For responses to various criticisms of WikiIslam, visit the ''[http://islamo-criticism.blogspot.com/p/criticism-of-wikiislam.html Criticism of WikiIslam]'' section of the ''[http://islamo-criticism.blogspot.com/ IslamoCriticism]'' blog.</ref> Some have called for the site to be taken offline through illegal means such as hacking,<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?398571|title= Muslims should DDOS anti muslim websites|publisher= Ummah Forum|author= |date= April 19, 2014|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ummah.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F398571&date=2014-04-24|deadurl=no}}</ref><ref>''"Someone needs to shut it down. any hackers out here?"'' - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?365182-Solving-the-Wiki-islam-problem|2=2013-05-24}} Solving the Wiki-islam problem], DamirK, Ummah Forum, May 24, 2013.</ref><ref>''"Its sad, Saudi have hackers who can hack and take down a lot of crap stuff on the internet but they never seem to notice what should be taken care of."'' - [http://lostinriyadh.blogspot.com/2012/03/for-my-readers-in-saudi-infact-for.html For my readers in Saudi, infact for anyone], LostInRiyadh.blogspot.com (comment by Dentographer, March 4, 2012)</ref> and it had previously been [[Websites Censored by Islamic Governments|banned]] in [[Saudi Arabia]] on the country's [[pornography]] blacklist, even though the site contains nothing of a pornographic nature.<ref>A screenshot can be viewed [[:File:Wikiislam com-aug-2011-ksa.png|here]]</ref> <br />
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Constant vandalism, death-threats, and non-compliance with guidelines by Muslim editors has lead to WikiIslam, like the German Wikipedia, implementing “[[WikiIslam:Pending Changes Protection|pending-changes protection]]”, meaning that editing still remains open to all, including IP users, but changes have to be approved before becoming visible to readers.<br />
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However, due to WikiIslam's extensive use of authoritative primary and secondary pro-Islamic sources, the site has also received praise from Muslims, e.g. for its [[Sex Segregation in Islam]]<ref>"''I usually wouldn't endorse a site like this, but in this case all of the sources were referenced in great detail.''" - [http://www.facebook.com/notes/abdul-malik-merchant/women-traveling-and-free-mixing-in-islam-/216934245018326 Women: Traveling and free-mixing in Islam …], Abdul-Malik Merchant, Student at Umm al-Qura University, Mecca, Saudi Arabia, July 13, 2011.</ref> and [[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]]<ref>"''In fact mockery is the main cause of executions ordered by our prophet (Sm)...i already told it to @RiasatKhan .. here is the link though its an anti islam site... but the historical facts / causes of execution mentioned there are reliable..look 4 Yellow colors, they were executed for mockery. Is this Musa Ibrahim scholar of Islam?? List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad - WikiIslam. Sorry for the anti islam site... i couldnt find any other site written in such short and organized way.''" - [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangladesh-defence/233660-shahbagh-square-new-rise-65.html|2=2013-02-17}} SHAHBAGH SQUARE-A NEW RISE], Kobiraaz (an established Muslim member who joined in Oct 2010, and has been thanked 7867 times for 7,237 post), Pakistan Defence forum, February 17, 2013</ref> articles, and pages such as [[List of Fabricated Hadith]]<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://shehbaazmind.blogspot.com/2011/08/some-links-where-you-can-find-some-weak.html|2=2012-09-10}} "Some Links Where You Can Find Some Weak And Fabricated Hadeeths Exposed"], ShehbaazMind, August 17, 2011.</ref><ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://beliefinunseen.blogspot.com/2012/09/weak-and-fabricated-hadith.html|2=2012-09-10}} "Weak and fabricated hadith"], Belief In The Unseen, September 7, 2012.</ref> and [[Chronological Order of the Qur'an]]<ref>Dawud Israel, [{{Reference archive|1=http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?107518-NOTES-from-Tafsir-Maariful-Qur-an-of-Mufti-Taqi-Shafi-Usmani|2=2013-06-01}} "NOTES from Tafsir Maariful Qur'an of Mufti Taqi/Shafi Usmani"], Sunni Forum, June 1, 2013.</ref> have been used by Muslims as a resource.<br />
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==Audience==<br />
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WikiIslam hosts {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} articles. On average, it currently receives over 250,000 visitors a month generating about 500,000 page views. As of September 2014, Alexa.com places it within the top 70,000 most visited websites.<ref>{{cite web|url= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alexa.com%2Fsiteinfo%2Fwww.wikiislam.net&date=2014-09-03|title= Wikiislam.net|publisher= Alexa.com|author= |date= accessed October 19, 2013|archiveurl= |deadurl=no}}</ref><br />
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Unlike many other sites critical of Islam, WikiIslam's audience is not "Eurocentric". A large percentage of its readers are from Eastern or Muslim-majority nations such as [[Pakistan]], [[Bangladesh]], [[India]], [[Malaysia]], [[Egypt]], [[United Arab Emirates]], and [[Singapore]].<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.wikiislam.net|2=2011-11-28}} "Wikiislam.net/ Audience"], Alexa.com, accessed November 28, 2011.</ref> Likewise, many of the site's administrators and editors are from a Muslim background or are skeptics from Muslim majority nations.<br />
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The site is currently [[WikiIslam:Join the Team#Ways_To_Help_Us|looking for editors]] to translate some of their English articles into Indonesian, Urdu, Bengali and [[Arabic]]. There are translations from English already available at the site in [[:Category:Other_Languages|several languages]], including [[Azərbaycanca Yazılar - Articles in Azerbaijani|Azerbaijani]], [[Les articles en francais - Articles in French|French]], [[:Category:Türkçe (Turkish)|Turkish]] and [[Ozbekcha maqolalar - Articles in Uzbek|Uzbek]]. A [[:ru:Заглавная страница|Russian]] sub-domain was started in early 2013 and they also host many [[Translations of Arabic/Islamic Media|press articles and fatwas]] from the Islamic world translated into English from the original Arabic.<br />
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==Wikipedia==<br />
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WikiIslam's primary focus is on the religion of Islam while Wikipedia is a compendium of general knowledge. These differing goals have led to different policies and guidelines. <br />
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Wikipedia discourages the use of primary and what they term as "non-notable/reliable" sources. WikiIslam, on the other hand, encourages the use of authentic primary religious text and the rulings of authoritative Muslim scholars who may not be notable to people outside of the Muslim world but who are giants from within.<br />
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Wikipedia focuses on "verifiability, not truth".<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability,_not_truth|2=2012-02-10}} "Verifiability, not truth"], Wikipedia, accessed February 10, 2012.</ref> In regards to Islam, it has meant they accept what "notable/reliable" western commentators say about its religious text and Muslims over what the religious text and Muslims actually say themselves. Conversely, WikiIslam accepts what the religious text and Muslims say over the opinions and interpretations of third-party western commentators.<br />
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==See Also==<br />
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*[[WikiIslam:Frequently Asked Questions|Frequently Asked Questions]]<br />
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To contact WikiIslam with general ideas and suggestions, a message can be left on the relevant [[WikiIslam:Discussions|Discussions]] page. For copyright issues, click [[WikiIslam:Copyright Issues|here]]. And for other important issues, click [[WikiIslam:Contact Us|here]].<br />
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