View source for Talk:Islamic Prophecies: The preservation of Pharaoh's body

Your guys's explanation of all the Islamic prophecies doesn't make sense.  

Preservation of Pharoah: 

"First and foremost, the proof would be given to the children of Israel, and serve as a sign that Islam's "Allah" is God, and he was the one who drowned Pharaoh. This will apparently also serve as a sign that Allah will destroy the Jews for their disbelief in him." FIRST OF ALL, JEWS AND MUSLIMS BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD. JEWS ARE NOT REGARDED AS DISBELIEVERS, THEY ARE BELIEVERS IN ALLAH! 



"The claim that “Pharaoh” is on display in the royal mummies chamber of the Egyptian museum in Cairo is also highly suspect. The author appears to be saying that this Pharaoh has been positively identified as being that of the Pharaoh who drowned in the Red sea. If so, where is the information to confirm this? " Did you hear Professor Maurice Bucaille story?  If not, heres' a link: http://www.ezsoftech.com/giknowledge/firaun.mummy.asp The body was scientifically tested and it was that of Ramses II (approximately 3000 years old)  

"There were many Pharaoh's, and if the author is asserting that all it takes for Allah's prediction to be true is for a mummified Pharaoh to be found, then 'Allah' may have 'drowned' hundreds and hundreds of Pharaohs, because this is a very broad definition." OMG! the Qur'an in Chapter 10 is referring to the pharaoah of Prophet Moses! "Moses said, "Our Lord, you have given Pharaoh and his elders luxuries and wealth in this world. Our Lord, they only use them to repulse others from Your path. Our Lord, wipe out their wealth, and harden their hearts to prevent them from believing, until they see the painful retribution." Q 10:88 

"After all, Exodus contains the story of the Egyptian army drowning in the Red sea after the Israelites had safely passed through.``     And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them. (Exodus 14:28) That sentence is not predicting the preservation of Ramses ii.

'''Conclusion'''

Islamic prophecy fulfilled!

:Thanks for your thoughts! Firstly can I ask you to sign your posts with 4 tildes like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> Thanks. Now, on to what is posted here:
:* '''Jews are not unbelievers:''' Are you kidding me? Can you please show me where the Quran states that Jews are not unbelievers? I direct you (for example) to {{Quran|3|85}}. The article merely addresses claims given by Muslims as to the prophetic nature of the Quran - they use hindsight to claim Allah will judge the jews (ie that Allah knew the jews would reject him, so that's why he preserved the Pharaoh).
:* '''Maurice Bucaille:''' Yes we've heard a lot about Maurice Bucaille: [[Westerners find $cience in the Quran]]. Did you know that Bucaille was offered '''six million dollars''' to write his Quran & Science book? :So he wrote the book and got the money. He is a mercenary 'scientist' - willing to claim the Quran has science and 'trufax' in it in exchange for a hefty chunk of Saudi oil money. Of course this does nothing to refte any of his claims, but I'm sorry they are thrown heavily into doubt. Perhaps you can find an unbiased source for the claim that: (a)ramses was the pharaoh during the alleged exodus, (b)the body has been positively identifed? (c) the exodus happened at all? As you may know, many scholars and archaeologists are now admitting the [http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/doubtingexodus.htm Exodus never happened], which would destroy the claims of the bible and the Quran. 

:I'm confused now by your conclusion: You seem to be arguing for AND against fulfillment here - can you please be clear? What is your position? [[User:Sanitarium|Sanitarium]] 14:42, 15 October 2009 (PDT)

::Ramses II didn't die by drowning.  And some scholars have brought forth an interesting theory that the Pharoah of the exodus was not Ramses II but Amenhotep II.  Besides, the Quran is never taken seriously by archaeologists and historians of ancient Egypt.--[[User:Natassia|Natassia]] 15:50, 15 October 2009 (PDT)

According to the Qur'an Jews are believers: "The believers, the Jews, the Christians and the Sabians – whoever believes in God and the last day and does what is good, shall receive their reward from their Lord. They shall have nothing to fear and they shall not grieve." Q 2:62
Again the Jews don't reject Allah, Heres' more info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65zyICBKBPI
Im arguing for the fulfilment! 

Heres' a link to the exmamination of Ramses ii's body: http://www.bium.univ-paris5.fr/sfhad/vol7/article02.htm (in french) translate it using google.
:Wrong, jews dont believe in Muhammad being a messenger of Allah. They dont believe in Allah, the Islamic God:
::048.013 - YUSUFALI: And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!
:Quran has contradicting verses. See [[List of Abrogations]]. --[[User:Whale|Whale]] 19:01, 15 October 2009 (PDT)
You are right when you say that the Jews don't believe in Muhammed(PBUH), also they don't believe in Jesus(PBUH). But "Allah" refers to the Same God as the Jews and Christians(except evangelicals). The Jews don't deny Allah! Ps. Judaism is a form of Islam(Submission to one God). More info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_l3wmMSJcU
In the Qur'an the Enemies of God are those simply reject faith in the "one true God." (Idol worhsippers, atheists). "Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! God is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Q (2:98)
"Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to God and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." Q 2:112
::''But "Allah" refers to the Same God as the Jews and Christians(except evangelicals).''
:Not true. If I today lied to people that I was getting messages from God and certain people believing saying I'm a prophet then our God is not the same as anyone else's God. Likewise the Islamic God Allah is not the same God in Christianity or Judaism.
::''In the Qur'an the Enemies of God are those simply reject faith in the "one true God."''
:If a Christian or Jew is not an enemy of Allah, they wont burn in Hell. If they wont burn in Hell, then there's no use of Islam because you can still go to heaven without being a Muslim. Also! 48:13 specifically says "believe in Muhammad". Who cares if Jews dont believe in Jesus? We're talking about Islam here. So you agreed that Jews/Christians dont believe in Muhammad and THEREFORE, according to 48:13, they ''will'' burn in Hell. --[[User:Whale|Whale]] 17:11, 17 October 2009 (PDT)