Talk:Child Marriage in the Qur'an - Revision history

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IbnPinker moved page Talk:Pedophilia in the Qur'an to Talk:Child Marriage in the Qur'an

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Sahab at 14:43, 2 March 2014

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	:::::Hi TS. Thanks. It's been added to the page.[[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 11:50, 16 August 2013 (PDT)		:::::Hi TS. Thanks. It's been added to the page.[[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 11:50, 16 August 2013 (PDT)

	:This conversation has been split to [[Talk:Refutation of Modern ~~Muslim~~ Apologetics Against Aishas Age]]		:This conversation has been split to [[Talk:Refutation of Modern Apologetics Against Aishas Age]]

Sahab at 13:08, 2 October 2013

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	:::::Hi TS. Thanks. It's been added to the page.[[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 11:50, 16 August 2013 (PDT)		:::::Hi TS. Thanks. It's been added to the page.[[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 11:50, 16 August 2013 (PDT)
	~~:::::: HI, its me again. This time with two things:~~

	~~1. I have an online jpg of the page and chapther from the Bukhari translation (chapther 39). If you wanna use it~~: ~~[http://f.cl.ly/items/1P2z0V27040D0M1h3D3R/iddah%20bukhari%20en%20hadith.jpg]~~		:This conversation has been split to [[Talk:Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aishas Age]]

	~~2. I have~~ been talking to Muslims online and they gave me this hadith where Aisha says that she saw her parents following islam since the time when she reached the age of puberty. This would clearly be before any marriage with Muhammad. Here's the reference to ~~the Sahih Bukhari hadith: Volume 1, Book 8, number 465.~~

	~~I don't see this apologetic argument covered in this article, nor in the more extensive one solely focussing on refutations of Aisha being a child.~~
	[[~~User~~:~~Truthseeker\|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker\|talk]]) 17:48, 21 August 2013 (PDT)~~

	~~:Hi. This article has nothing to do with the age of Aisha. The apologetics those Muslims are using, have been refuted in this page: [[~~Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aishas Age\|Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aisha's Age]]. I'm assuming their claim is an exaggeration of what the hadith actually says, in which case I think our response to argument number five covers it. Whatever the case may be, it wouldn't alter the fact that the age of consummation according to multiple (mutawatir) sahih hadith is clearly nine (mutawatir trumps single hadiths, so to speak). [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ~~([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:05, 21 August 2013 (PDT)~~

	::The hadith is not available on the USC site, so I checked the hard copy (pdf) files and this is what is there for vol. 1, book 8, no. 465: [http://s8.postimg.org/a1tal72md/Sahih_Buk_Vol_1_Book_8_no_465.jpg] It has nothing to do do with Aisha. So unless I'm doing something wrong, the reference they provided was bogus. Not surprising, really. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:34, 21 August 2013 (PDT)

Sahab: Sahih Bukhari hadith: Volume 1, Book 8, number 465

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Sahih Bukhari hadith: Volume 1, Book 8, number 465

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	:Hi. This article has nothing to do with the age of Aisha. The apologetics those Muslims are using, have been refuted in this page: [[Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aishas Age\|Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aisha's Age]]. I'm assuming their claim is an exaggeration of what the hadith actually says, in which case I think our response to argument number five covers it. Whatever the case may be, it wouldn't alter the fact that the age of consummation according to multiple (mutawatir) sahih hadith is clearly nine (mutawatir trumps single hadiths, so to speak). [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:05, 21 August 2013 (PDT)		:Hi. This article has nothing to do with the age of Aisha. The apologetics those Muslims are using, have been refuted in this page: [[Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aishas Age\|Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aisha's Age]]. I'm assuming their claim is an exaggeration of what the hadith actually says, in which case I think our response to argument number five covers it. Whatever the case may be, it wouldn't alter the fact that the age of consummation according to multiple (mutawatir) sahih hadith is clearly nine (mutawatir trumps single hadiths, so to speak). [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:05, 21 August 2013 (PDT)

			::The hadith is not available on the USC site, so I checked the hard copy (pdf) files and this is what is there for vol. 1, book 8, no. 465: [http://s8.postimg.org/a1tal72md/Sahih_Buk_Vol_1_Book_8_no_465.jpg] It has nothing to do do with Aisha. So unless I'm doing something wrong, the reference they provided was bogus. Not surprising, really. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:34, 21 August 2013 (PDT)

Sahab at 01:18, 22 August 2013

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	:Hi. This article has nothing to do with the age of Aisha. The apologetics those Muslims are using, have been refuted in this page: [[Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aishas Age\|Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aisha's Age]]. I'm assuming their claim is an exaggeration of what the hadith actually says, in which case I think our response to argument number five covers it. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:05, 21 August 2013 (PDT)		:Hi. This article has nothing to do with the age of Aisha. The apologetics those Muslims are using, have been refuted in this page: [[Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aishas Age\|Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aisha's Age]]. I'm assuming their claim is an exaggeration of what the hadith actually says, in which case I think our response to argument number five covers it. Whatever the case may be, it wouldn't alter the fact that the age of consummation according to multiple (mutawatir) sahih hadith is clearly nine (mutawatir trumps single hadiths, so to speak). [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:05, 21 August 2013 (PDT)

Sahab at 01:06, 22 August 2013

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	:Hi. This article has nothing to do with the age of Aisha. The apologetics those Muslims are using, have been refuted in this page: [[Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aisha's Age]]. I'm assuming their claim is an exaggeration of what the hadith actually says, in which case I think our response to argument number five covers it. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:05, 21 August 2013 (PDT)		:Hi. This article has nothing to do with the age of Aisha. The apologetics those Muslims are using, have been refuted in this page: [[Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aishas Age\|Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aisha's Age]]. I'm assuming their claim is an exaggeration of what the hadith actually says, in which case I think our response to argument number five covers it. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:05, 21 August 2013 (PDT)

Sahab at 01:05, 22 August 2013

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	:::::: HI, its me again. This time with two things:		:::::: HI, its me again. This time with two things:

	1. I have an online jpg of the page and chapther from the Bukhari translation (chapther 39). If you wanna use it: http://f.cl.ly/items/1P2z0V27040D0M1h3D3R/iddah%20bukhari%20en%20hadith.jpg		1. I have an online jpg of the page and chapther from the Bukhari translation (chapther 39). If you wanna use it: [http://f.cl.ly/items/1P2z0V27040D0M1h3D3R/iddah%20bukhari%20en%20hadith.jpg]

	2. I have been talking to Muslims online and they gave me this hadith where Aisha says that she saw her parents following islam since the time when she reached the age of puberty. This would clearly be before any marriage with Muhammad. Here's the reference to the Sahih Bukhari hadith: Volume 1, Book 8, number 465.		2. I have been talking to Muslims online and they gave me this hadith where Aisha says that she saw her parents following islam since the time when she reached the age of puberty. This would clearly be before any marriage with Muhammad. Here's the reference to the Sahih Bukhari hadith: Volume 1, Book 8, number 465.
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	I don't see this apologetic argument covered in this article, nor in the more extensive one solely focussing on refutations of Aisha being a child.		I don't see this apologetic argument covered in this article, nor in the more extensive one solely focussing on refutations of Aisha being a child.
	[[User:Truthseeker\|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker\|talk]]) 17:48, 21 August 2013 (PDT)		[[User:Truthseeker\|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker\|talk]]) 17:48, 21 August 2013 (PDT)

			:Hi. This article has nothing to do with the age of Aisha. The apologetics those Muslims are using, have been refuted in this page: [[Refutation of Modern Muslim Apologetics Against Aisha's Age]]. I'm assuming their claim is an exaggeration of what the hadith actually says, in which case I think our response to argument number five covers it. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 18:05, 21 August 2013 (PDT)

Truthseeker: adding a link to a screenshot of the original book that translates Bukhari and a question of an apologetic muslim argument

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adding a link to a screenshot of the original book that translates Bukhari and a question of an apologetic muslim argument

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	:::::Hi TS. Thanks. It's been added to the page.[[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 11:50, 16 August 2013 (PDT)		:::::Hi TS. Thanks. It's been added to the page.[[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 11:50, 16 August 2013 (PDT)
			:::::: HI, its me again. This time with two things:

			1. I have an online jpg of the page and chapther from the Bukhari translation (chapther 39). If you wanna use it: http://f.cl.ly/items/1P2z0V27040D0M1h3D3R/iddah%20bukhari%20en%20hadith.jpg

			2. I have been talking to Muslims online and they gave me this hadith where Aisha says that she saw her parents following islam since the time when she reached the age of puberty. This would clearly be before any marriage with Muhammad. Here's the reference to the Sahih Bukhari hadith: Volume 1, Book 8, number 465.

			I don't see this apologetic argument covered in this article, nor in the more extensive one solely focussing on refutations of Aisha being a child.
			[[User:Truthseeker\|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker\|talk]]) 17:48, 21 August 2013 (PDT)

Sahab at 18:50, 16 August 2013

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	::::Thanks. I have something else. I noticed that Al Muslim is not cited here. We know Muslim is usually a copy of Bukhari, as it is in this case. But in this case the error/diversion discussed above is not there. So perhaps Muslim would be a wonderful addition? I apologize for not having the handyness to do it myself at the moment. I plan on learning the Wiki lingo soon. Here is the link to Sahih Muslim in where the chapter titel of Muslim (and therefor of Bukhari) is mentioned: http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/136-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2008.%20Marriage/11407-sahih-muslim-book-008-hadith-number-3311.html		::::Thanks. I have something else. I noticed that Al Muslim is not cited here. We know Muslim is usually a copy of Bukhari, as it is in this case. But in this case the error/diversion discussed above is not there. So perhaps Muslim would be a wonderful addition? I apologize for not having the handyness to do it myself at the moment. I plan on learning the Wiki lingo soon. Here is the link to Sahih Muslim in where the chapter titel of Muslim (and therefor of Bukhari) is mentioned: http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/136-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2008.%20Marriage/11407-sahih-muslim-book-008-hadith-number-3311.html
	[[User:Truthseeker\|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker\|talk]]) 06:56, 16 August 2013 (PDT)		[[User:Truthseeker\|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker\|talk]]) 06:56, 16 August 2013 (PDT)

			:::::Hi TS. Thanks. It's been added to the page.[[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 11:50, 16 August 2013 (PDT)

Truthseeker: added a link to Sahih al Muslim because it may contribute

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added a link to Sahih al Muslim because it may contribute

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	:::For the page's subject matter, the quote as it is will be fine. Their attempt to hide things which they find unpleasant is interesting. If there were more such cases, it would probably make a good standalone article. But here it would be off-topic. I think at most it could be mentioned briefly in a footnote or something, but nothing more. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 14:12, 13 August 2013 (PDT)		:::For the page's subject matter, the quote as it is will be fine. Their attempt to hide things which they find unpleasant is interesting. If there were more such cases, it would probably make a good standalone article. But here it would be off-topic. I think at most it could be mentioned briefly in a footnote or something, but nothing more. [[User:Sahabah\|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah\|talk]]) 14:12, 13 August 2013 (PDT)

			::::Thanks. I have something else. I noticed that Al Muslim is not cited here. We know Muslim is usually a copy of Bukhari, as it is in this case. But in this case the error/diversion discussed above is not there. So perhaps Muslim would be a wonderful addition? I apologize for not having the handyness to do it myself at the moment. I plan on learning the Wiki lingo soon. Here is the link to Sahih Muslim in where the chapter titel of Muslim (and therefor of Bukhari) is mentioned: http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/136-Sahih%20Muslim%20Book%2008.%20Marriage/11407-sahih-muslim-book-008-hadith-number-3311.html
			[[User:Truthseeker\|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker\|talk]]) 06:56, 16 August 2013 (PDT)