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Saggy: /* Decendants */

2017-11-08T20:36:08Z

Decendants

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	{{Quote\|{{Quran-range\|3\|33\|34}}\|		{{Quote\|{{Quran-range\|3\|33\|34}}\|
	Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of 'Imran above (all His) creatures. They were descendants of each other. Allah is Hearer, Knower. }}		Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of 'Imran above (all His) creatures. They were descendants of each other. Allah is Hearer, Knower. }}
	Four people or families cannot be descendants of each other. An ascendant has a descendant and vice versa. Adam cannot be ~~anybodys~~ descendant.		Four people or families cannot be descendants of each other. An ascendant has a descendant and vice versa. Adam cannot be anybody's descendant.

	==Revelations for whom?==		==Revelations for whom?==

Saggy: /* Change of the listener */

2017-11-08T20:30:26Z

Change of the listener

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	{{Quote\|{{Quran-range\|17\|63\|64}}\|He said: Be gone! for whoever of them will follow you, then surely hell is your recompense, a full recompense.<br>And beguile whomsoever of them you can with your voice, and collect against them your forces riding and on foot, and share with them in wealth and children, and hold out promises to them; and the Shaitan makes not promises to them but to deceive.}}		{{Quote\|{{Quran-range\|17\|63\|64}}\|He said: Be gone! for whoever of them will follow you, then surely hell is your recompense, a full recompense.<br>And beguile whomsoever of them you can with your voice, and collect against them your forces riding and on foot, and share with them in wealth and children, and hold out promises to them; and the Shaitan makes not promises to them but to deceive.}}

			The listener suddenly changes from Satan to probably his followers. The second "them" is unclear and disputed among classical Islamic scholars. This is also a possible taqiyya verse.

	==Dhul Qarnin and the people who hardly understood words==		==Dhul Qarnin and the people who hardly understood words==

Saggy: /* Allah's use of prepositions */

2017-11-08T20:25:57Z

Allah's use of prepositions

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	Allah should have used "and" instead of "or" if the Meccans really plotted such punishments for Muhammad. With the two uses of "or" it appears as if he is guessing what the Meccans had plotted.		Allah should have used "and" instead of "or" if the Meccans really plotted such punishments for Muhammad. With the two uses of "or" it appears as if he is guessing what the Meccans had plotted.

			==Change of the listener==

			{{Quote\|{{Quran-range\|17\|63\|64}}\|He said: Be gone! for whoever of them will follow you, then surely hell is your recompense, a full recompense.<br>And beguile whomsoever of them you can with your voice, and collect against them your forces riding and on foot, and share with them in wealth and children, and hold out promises to them; and the Shaitan makes not promises to them but to deceive.}}

	==Dhul Qarnin and the people who hardly understood words==		==Dhul Qarnin and the people who hardly understood words==

Saggy: /* Allah's use of prepositions */

2017-09-21T20:54:21Z

Allah's use of prepositions

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	bonds, '''or''' slay you, '''or''' get you out (of your home). They deceive, and Allah too deceives; but the best of deceivers is Allah.”}}		bonds, '''or''' slay you, '''or''' get you out (of your home). They deceive, and Allah too deceives; but the best of deceivers is Allah.”}}

	Allah should have used "and" instead of "or" if the Meccans really plotted such punishments for Muhammad.		Allah should have used "and" instead of "or" if the Meccans really plotted such punishments for Muhammad. With the two uses of "or" it appears as if he is guessing what the Meccans had plotted.

	==Dhul Qarnin and the people who hardly understood words==		==Dhul Qarnin and the people who hardly understood words==

Saggy: /* From among you */

2017-09-21T20:53:28Z

From among you

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	"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve."		"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve."

			==Allah's use of prepositions==

			This is a subtle error but it shows that Allah is far from being an all-knowing god.

			{{Quote\|{{Quran\|8\|30}}\|Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against you [Muhammad], to keep you in
			bonds, '''or''' slay you, '''or''' get you out (of your home). They deceive, and Allah too deceives; but the best of deceivers is Allah.”}}

			Allah should have used "and" instead of "or" if the Meccans really plotted such punishments for Muhammad.

	==Dhul Qarnin and the people who hardly understood words==		==Dhul Qarnin and the people who hardly understood words==

Saggy: /* Freudian slips */

2017-08-29T00:09:43Z

Freudian slips

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	==Freudian slips==		==Freudian slips==
			First person/third person
	===Confusion over the identity of the speaker===		===Confusion over the identity of the speaker===

Saggy: /* Ambiguity? */

2017-08-29T00:09:09Z

Ambiguity?

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	{{Quote\|{{Quran\|41\|43}}\|Nothing is said to thee that was not said to the messengers before thee: that thy lord has at his Command (all) forgiveness as well as a most Grievous Penalty. }}		{{Quote\|{{Quran\|41\|43}}\|Nothing is said to thee that was not said to the messengers before thee: that thy lord has at his Command (all) forgiveness as well as a most Grievous Penalty. }}

			==Freudian slips==
			===Confusion over the identity of the speaker===

			{{Quote\|{{Quran\|42\|10}}\|And in whatsoever ye differ, the verdict therein belongeth to Allah. Such is my Lord, in Whom I put my trust, and unto Whom I turn.}}

	==That which covered them==		==That which covered them==

Saggy: /* Revelations for whom? */

2017-08-29T00:05:19Z

Revelations for whom?

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	==Revelations for whom?==		==Revelations for whom?==
	{{Quote\|{{Quran\|2\|118}}\|And those who have no knowledge say: Why doth not Allah speak unto us, or some sign come unto us? Even thus, as they now speak, spake those (who were) before them. Their hearts are all alike. '''We have made clear the revelations for people who are sure.'''}}		{{Quote\|{{Quran\|2\|118}}\|And those who have no knowledge say: Why doth not Allah speak unto us, or some sign come unto us? Even thus, as they now speak, spake those (who were) before them. Their hearts are all alike. '''We have made clear the revelations for people who are sure.'''}}

			Why does Allah need to make his signs clear to people who are sure/believers/Muslims? Is'nt he supposed to give proofs to those who are unsure and to non-Muslims?

	==Many prophets fought for Allah's cause==		==Many prophets fought for Allah's cause==

Saggy: /* Decendants */

2017-08-20T22:02:29Z

Decendants

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	Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of 'Imran above (all His) creatures. They were descendants of each other. Allah is Hearer, Knower. }}		Lo! Allah preferred Adam and Noah and the Family of Abraham and the Family of 'Imran above (all His) creatures. They were descendants of each other. Allah is Hearer, Knower. }}
	Four people or families cannot be descendants of each other. An ascendant has a descendant and vice versa. Adam cannot be anybodys descendant.		Four people or families cannot be descendants of each other. An ascendant has a descendant and vice versa. Adam cannot be anybodys descendant.

			==Revelations for whom?==
			{{Quote\|{{Quran\|2\|118}}\|And those who have no knowledge say: Why doth not Allah speak unto us, or some sign come unto us? Even thus, as they now speak, spake those (who were) before them. Their hearts are all alike. '''We have made clear the revelations for people who are sure.'''}}

	==Many prophets fought for Allah's cause==		==Many prophets fought for Allah's cause==

Saggy: /* Tense: Allah will teach Jesus */

2017-07-21T11:27:14Z

Tense: Allah will teach Jesus

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	===Tense: Allah will teach Jesus===		===Tense: Allah will teach Jesus===

	{{Quote\|{{Quran-range\|3\|47\|49}}\|She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.		{{Quote\|{{Quran-range\|3\|47\|49}}\|She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So (it will be). Allah createth what He will. If He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.<br>And He '''will''' teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel,<br>And '''will''' make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.}}
	<br>And He '''will''' teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel,
	<br>And '''will''' make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.}}

	This is either a tense error or lack of clarity due to absence of inverted commas/quotes.		This is either a tense error or lack of clarity due to absence of inverted commas/quotes.