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Allah wants his followers to sin

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	Contrary to usual perceptions of sinning—that sinning is forbidden and discouraged in the first place—Allah/Muhammad actually ''wants'' Muslims to sin and then repent as is implied in this hadith.		Contrary to usual perceptions of sinning—that sinning is forbidden and discouraged in the first place—Allah/Muhammad actually ''wants'' Muslims to sin and then repent as is implied in this hadith.
	{{Quote\|{{Muslim\|37\|6622}}\|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them}}		{{Quote\|{{Muslim\|37\|6622}} See also [https://sunnah.com/muslim/50 Sahih Muslim 37:6620 and 37:6621]\|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them}}

	==Abu Dawud==		==Abu Dawud==

Saggy: /* Allah wants his followers to sin */

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	===Allah wants his followers to sin===		===Allah wants his followers to sin===
	Contrary to usual perceptions of sinning&~~ndash~~;that sinning is forbidden and discouraged in the first place&~~ndash~~;Allah/Muhammad actually ''wants'' Muslims to sin and then repent as is implied in this hadith.		Contrary to usual perceptions of sinning—that sinning is forbidden and discouraged in the first place—Allah/Muhammad actually ''wants'' Muslims to sin and then repent as is implied in this hadith.
	{{Quote\|{{Muslim\|37\|6622}}\|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them}}		{{Quote\|{{Muslim\|37\|6622}}\|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them}}

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2017-07-21T15:34:29Z

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	Contrary to usual perceptions of sinning–that sinning is forbidden and discouraged in the first place–Allah/Muhammad actually ''wants'' Muslims to sin and then repent as is implied in this hadith.		Contrary to usual perceptions of sinning–that sinning is forbidden and discouraged in the first place–Allah/Muhammad actually ''wants'' Muslims to sin and then repent as is implied in this hadith.
	{{Quote\|{{Muslim\|50\|13}}\|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them}}		{{Quote\|{{Muslim\|37\|6622}}\|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them}}

	==Abu Dawud==		==Abu Dawud==

Saggy: /* Allah wants his followers to sin */

2017-07-21T15:33:57Z

Allah wants his followers to sin

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	===Allah wants his followers to sin===		===Allah wants his followers to sin===
	Contrary to usual perceptions of sinning–that sinning is forbidden and discouraged in the first place–Allah/Muhammad actually ''wants'' Muslims to sin and then repent as is implied in this hadith.		Contrary to usual perceptions of sinning–that sinning is forbidden and discouraged in the first place–Allah/Muhammad actually ''wants'' Muslims to sin and then repent as is implied in this hadith.
	{{Quote\|\|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them}}		{{Quote\|{{Muslim\|50\|13}}\|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them}}

	==Abu Dawud==		==Abu Dawud==

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Muslim

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	Curiously, the right hand of God fit an entire universe, but it does not fit a small piece: Earth. In order to keep the "roll of a flat earth," God needed a second - left - hand.		Curiously, the right hand of God fit an entire universe, but it does not fit a small piece: Earth. In order to keep the "roll of a flat earth," God needed a second - left - hand.

			===Allah wants his followers to sin===
			Contrary to usual perceptions of sinning–that sinning is forbidden and discouraged in the first place–Allah/Muhammad actually ''wants'' Muslims to sin and then repent as is implied in this hadith.
			{{Quote\|\|Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them}}

	==Abu Dawud==		==Abu Dawud==

Saggy: /* Muslim */

2017-01-15T18:16:55Z

Muslim

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	Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, would fold the Heavens on the Day of Judgment and then He would place them on His right hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)? He would fold the' earth (placing it) on the left hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)?}}		Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, would fold the Heavens on the Day of Judgment and then He would place them on His right hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)? He would fold the' earth (placing it) on the left hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)?}}

			Curiously, the right hand of God fit an entire universe, but it does not fit a small piece: Earth. In order to keep the "roll of a flat earth," God needed a second - left - hand.

	==Abu Dawud==		==Abu Dawud==

Saggy: /* Abu Dawud */

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Abu Dawud

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			==Muslim==

			{{Quote\|https://sunnah.com/muslim/52/7\|Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying:
			Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, would fold the Heavens on the Day of Judgment and then He would place them on His right hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)? He would fold the' earth (placing it) on the left hand and say: I am the Lord; where are the haughty and where are the proud (today)?}}

Saggy: /* Abu Dawud */

2016-12-24T07:54:44Z

Abu Dawud

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	{{Quote\|\|Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Messenger of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.		{{Quote\|{{cite web\|url=https://sunnah.com/abudawud/2/314 \|title=Sunan Abu Dawud 2:314 \|publisher= \|author= \|date= \|archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20140709003743/http://sunnah.com/abudawud/2/314 \|deadurl=no}}\|Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Messenger of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.

	Abu Dawud said: There is something about this tradition in my heart. I used to discuss it with Ibrahim and others. I did not find anyone who narrated it from Hisham and knew it. I did not know anyone who reported it from Hisham and knew it. I did not know anyone who related it from Hisham. I think the confusion is on the part of Ibn Abi Saminah that is, Muhammad b. Isma'il al-Basri, the freed slave of Banu Hisham. In this tradition the mention of words "a Magian" is rejected; the mention of the words "at a stone's throw" and "a pig" is rejected.		Abu Dawud said: There is something about this tradition in my heart. I used to discuss it with Ibrahim and others. I did not find anyone who narrated it from Hisham and knew it. I did not know anyone who reported it from Hisham and knew it. I did not know anyone who related it from Hisham. I think the confusion is on the part of Ibn Abi Saminah that is, Muhammad b. Isma'il al-Basri, the freed slave of Banu Hisham. In this tradition the mention of words "a Magian" is rejected; the mention of the words "at a stone's throw" and "a pig" is rejected.
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	Abu Dawud said: I did not hear this tradition except from Muhammad b. Isma'il b. Samurrah and I think he was mistaken because he used to narrate to us from his memory.}}		Abu Dawud said: I did not hear this tradition except from Muhammad b. Isma'il b. Samurrah and I think he was mistaken because he used to narrate to us from his memory.}}

	This hadith is classified as weak and Abu Dawud himself explains his doubts about it. But firstly, it is in keeping with other Sahih hadiths that say that a Muslim's prayer is nullified by a dog, a donkey, and a woman. Secondly ~~there seems to be~~ no doubt or debate over the presence of the word "Jew" in this narration.		This hadith is classified as weak and Abu Dawud himself explains his doubts about it. But firstly, it is in keeping with other Sahih hadiths that say that a Muslim's prayer is nullified by a dog, a donkey, and a woman. Secondly no doubt or debate seems to have occurred over the presence of the word "Jew" in this narration. So a Jew can be considered an extension of the list of things that nullify prayers.

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2016-12-24T07:51:55Z

Abu Dawud

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	Abu Dawud said: I did not hear this tradition except from Muhammad b. Isma'il b. Samurrah and I think he was mistaken because he used to narrate to us from his memory.}}		Abu Dawud said: I did not hear this tradition except from Muhammad b. Isma'il b. Samurrah and I think he was mistaken because he used to narrate to us from his memory.}}

			This hadith is classified as weak and Abu Dawud himself explains his doubts about it. But firstly, it is in keeping with other Sahih hadiths that say that a Muslim's prayer is nullified by a dog, a donkey, and a woman. Secondly there seems to be no doubt or debate over the presence of the word "Jew" in this narration.

Saggy at 07:46, 24 December 2016

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			==Abu Dawud==

			{{Quote\|\|Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Messenger of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.

			Abu Dawud said: There is something about this tradition in my heart. I used to discuss it with Ibrahim and others. I did not find anyone who narrated it from Hisham and knew it. I did not know anyone who reported it from Hisham and knew it. I did not know anyone who related it from Hisham. I think the confusion is on the part of Ibn Abi Saminah that is, Muhammad b. Isma'il al-Basri, the freed slave of Banu Hisham. In this tradition the mention of words "a Magian" is rejected; the mention of the words "at a stone's throw" and "a pig" is rejected.

			Abu Dawud said: I did not hear this tradition except from Muhammad b. Isma'il b. Samurrah and I think he was mistaken because he used to narrate to us from his memory.}}