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The seven layers is an error, that we know (and that error is present on the page I think) but the "moon is among them" just means what it appears to people on Earth. Lightyears if you see this, any thoughts on this addition? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:06, 23 May 2014 (PDT) | The seven layers is an error, that we know (and that error is present on the page I think) but the "moon is among them" just means what it appears to people on Earth. Lightyears if you see this, any thoughts on this addition? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:06, 23 May 2014 (PDT) | ||
:No, it does not mean what the moon appears from earth. It directly places the moon somewhere. Moon and its reflected light is insignificant in the first heaven itself, let alone seven heavens. If it is about the how the moon "appears", why is appears not mentioned? How about this "The whole book appears like a war manual, a book full of hate for kafirs. but it only appears, it is not true and it was only about a 7th century power struggle. Muhammad only appears like a criminal from all the content but this is not true and all he did was right for his situation" ? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 23:45, 23 May 2014 (PDT) | :No, it does not mean what the moon appears from earth. It directly places the moon somewhere. Moon and its reflected light is insignificant in the first heaven itself, let alone seven heavens. If it is about the how the moon "appears", why is appears not mentioned? How about this "The whole book appears like a war manual, a book full of hate for kafirs. but it only appears, it is not true and it was only about a 7th century power struggle. Muhammad only appears like a criminal from all the content but this is not true and all he did was right for his situation" ? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 23:45, 23 May 2014 (PDT) | ||
:This is not a demonstrable error. Fee simply means in and feeinna means in that. In the constellations verse (25.61), it indicates that the stars are also said to be in (fee) the heavens and the sun and moon in it (feeha). Muslims will generally assume that the stars, sun and moon are in the nearest one, where other verses specify that the stars are. They believe the entirety of the visible universe is in this nearest heaven, and the other heavens are in some physical or metaphysical sense beyond it. No verse can disprove this. The only heaven ever explained is the lowest heaven.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 02:07, 24 May 2014 (PDT) | |||