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== Direction of the Companions of the Cave article ==
== Thanks ==


Hi Atheistig. I've had a quick look at that page in your sandbox. Unfortunately, it wouldn't be an appropriate article for this website. As a resource for all critics, we try to keep our articles focused on Islam and avoid commentary on other religions and their beliefs (see [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam#About here] and [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Contributing here]). Thanks. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 19:40, 29 November 2013 (PST)
Hi Atheistig. Just a quick thanks for the [[Quran and a Universe from Smoke|Qur'an and a Universe from Smoke]] article that has now been added to the new articles list. It's a great addition to the site. Also liking the Historicity of Muhammad article. I know it's in a very early state, but it looks good. I like the structure. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 03:24, 20 December 2013 (PST)


:Hi Sahabah,
:Thank you for all the editing!  It's great to have a second set of eyes go over your work and clean it up.  Much appreciated.
--[[User:Atheistig|Atheistig]] ([[User talk:Atheistig|talk]]) 11:49, 21 December 2013 (PST)
:: You're welcome. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 13:24, 21 December 2013 (PST)


:I think the article is on topic, as it's about The companions of the cave story. I am making some connections to Christianity, as the story originates there, but I didn't think there was much commentary about the Christianity beyond what I needed for connecting the story to its origins and some scholarship around the legendary developments of the story. At least nothing more than what was in the Alexander legend and the other "parallels to Christian and Jewish scripture" articles. I'm not quite done so there's a bit im thinking to edit out and some more to add in. What part did you think violated the "no critizing" other religions" rule? <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Atheistig|Atheistig]] ([[User talk:Atheistig|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Atheistig|contribs]]) {{#if:07:56, 30 November 2013|&#32;on 07:56, 30 November 2013|}} </small>
== Quran errors ==
::Hi. The difference between this and the Alexander legend (as far as I can gather from reading what you wrote) is that there are some Christian sects that actually believe this, and the first draft that I read also seemed to be aimed at both Christians and Muslims. We are read and linked to by both theists and non-theists (e.g. Answering-Islam.org and RichardDawkins.net), so the tone and wording of articles like this one are important. I thought I'd jump in early so you don't waste any of your time, but feel free to continue if you think the final version will be okay. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 17:31, 30 November 2013 (PST)
Got ya.  There are literally thousands of these kind of martyrdom stories in Christianity.  They wax and wane in popularity over the years.  While a small number of Christians might object to this one being called a myth, it would have virtually no theological impact to them.  However, because this same story is found in the Qur'an, it being mythical has major repercussions for them.  I'll try and keep the wording as neutral as possible around Christianity, but I also want to be accurate.  I get what wikiislam is trying to be sensitive to a diverse array of readers' beliefs.  I think this one is pretty minor, especially compared to the site's stance on Evolution.
:Okay. Thanks for your understanding. I just want to be clear that I'll still have to read through the final version to see if it's okay to keep. If I'm unsure about it after that, then I'll ask some of the other admins for their opinions.


:Yeah, our stance on Evolution can be seen as a major issue for some religious people, but it's impersonal. None of the admin are theists and we're all from different parts of the globe, so expecting us to accept not only Creationism, but also their particular brand of Creationism (Christian, Hindu and so on), is unrealistic. Sticking to scientific facts is the most natural and unifying of the choices we have, and I think the reasonable ones among them do understand that and still feel comfortable in using us. When it comes to other more specific issues, it becomes more tricky. It could be taken as personal, and it could lead to us losing a chunk of our readers. Avoiding that is very important to us. Not because we want loads of page views (although that's always good), but because it would go against our goal of becoming an "indispensable resource for all critics."
Hi Atheistig, you had worked on the Quran errors article and improved it a lot. I'm asking Saggy [[User talk:Atheistig|here]] what he thinks of re-organizing that page so we have more obvious Quran errors at the top and others in another section. Let me know if you have any thoughts on this. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 11:02, 1 February 2014 (PST)


:Being a non-partisan resource is what sets us apart from other sites about Islam. Not only in religious beliefs or world-views, but also in politics. We've deleted and rejected a massive amount of material (some good and some bad) due to our policies, but I think in the end it's worth it. There is nothing more infuriating than when I'm expecting to read a piece on Islam, only to be bombarded by right-wing politics (I'm sure right-wingers will probably feel the exact same way when they visit some sites). So I suppose the idea of WikiIslam is to be a breath of fresh air from all that. A site about Islam that actually is about Islam.
I'm all for reorganizing to have the "better" stuff at the top and maybe the more borderline stuff further down. Lead with strength! 


:I'm starting to ramble now, so I'll leave it at that. Please let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 11:27, 1 December 2013 (PST)
== Historicity of Muhammad ==


Hey Sahabah,
Hi Atheistig! Just letting you know that I've moved ''Historicity of Muhammad'' into the mainspace (with an added "under construction" tag). I doubt we'll get many people who will attempt to finish that page, or  at least finish it in a form that would be acceptable. But you never know. I hope you become active again and finish that. Your work here was very good. If not, then I wish you all the best in whatever you do next. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 06:45, 12 February 2014 (PST)


I've wrapped up the article on the Seven Sleepers in my Sandbox. I've tried to keep the language fairly neutral around Christianity while focusing more of the critical commentary toward Islamic interpretations of the story.  I did some research around it's acceptance today in Christian circles and it seems some Eastern Orthodox Churches (mainly Greek Orthodox) still accept this story as genuine though Roman Catholic and Protestant Churches don't.  Though, as I mentioned above, I think this is a very minor theological point and I've tried to caveat the language around the historicity section to be sensitive to that fact that some Christians might think it is historical. I can tweak the article a couple of different ways if you think any sections are objectionable.  Take a look and let me know.  Thanks!
Hi Sahabah,  


--[[User:Atheistig|Atheistig]] ([[User talk:Atheistig|talk]]) 19:31, 2 December 2013 (PST)
I do plan to finish it.  Just been really busy at work lately and doing a lot of reading on the historicity of Muhammad.  Once things settle down here at work in the next few weeks, I'll have more time to continue my articles.  :-)
:Great. I'll give it a read when I can. Thanks. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 22:07, 2 December 2013 (PST)
 
:That's great news. Really good to know that you're still with us. [[User:Sahab|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 17:29, 12 February 2014 (PST)

Latest revision as of 01:29, 13 February 2014

Thanks

Hi Atheistig. Just a quick thanks for the Qur'an and a Universe from Smoke article that has now been added to the new articles list. It's a great addition to the site. Also liking the Historicity of Muhammad article. I know it's in a very early state, but it looks good. I like the structure. --Sahabah (talk) 03:24, 20 December 2013 (PST)

Thank you for all the editing! It's great to have a second set of eyes go over your work and clean it up. Much appreciated.

--Atheistig (talk) 11:49, 21 December 2013 (PST)

You're welcome. --Sahabah (talk) 13:24, 21 December 2013 (PST)

Quran errors

Hi Atheistig, you had worked on the Quran errors article and improved it a lot. I'm asking Saggy here what he thinks of re-organizing that page so we have more obvious Quran errors at the top and others in another section. Let me know if you have any thoughts on this. --Axius (talk) 11:02, 1 February 2014 (PST)

I'm all for reorganizing to have the "better" stuff at the top and maybe the more borderline stuff further down. Lead with strength!

Historicity of Muhammad

Hi Atheistig! Just letting you know that I've moved Historicity of Muhammad into the mainspace (with an added "under construction" tag). I doubt we'll get many people who will attempt to finish that page, or at least finish it in a form that would be acceptable. But you never know. I hope you become active again and finish that. Your work here was very good. If not, then I wish you all the best in whatever you do next. Thanks. --Sahabah (talk) 06:45, 12 February 2014 (PST)

Hi Sahabah,

I do plan to finish it. Just been really busy at work lately and doing a lot of reading on the historicity of Muhammad. Once things settle down here at work in the next few weeks, I'll have more time to continue my articles.  :-)

That's great news. Really good to know that you're still with us. --Sahabah (talk) 17:29, 12 February 2014 (PST)
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