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==Greetings==
Hey, you'll see I moved the contents of this page to your user page for the reasons I mentioned.
Just a quick note on the links you added to the Hijab article, the wiki uses these templates (https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Islamic_text_templates) to link to hadith references directly on Quranx.com which, unlike other hadith sites, is strict about preserving the text of the source (the actual published translation itself, I mean, without adding in parenthetical commentary). If you look at how the other templates already being used on the page are formatted I think you'll be able to figure out how to format the ones you added. If you cannot, then look at the template page (e.g. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Bukhari), that might help. Otherwise just ask for help. Thanks for your work. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 14:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
:FYI, because it may not be clear, the only two quran templates used are "Quran" and "Quran-range". The others are probably not helpful. Also don't confuse the non-english templates (e.g. "Buhari" for Bukhari in Turkish) with the english ones. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 14:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


Greetings my friends. I try to get around WikiIslam and make sure I do not break things. If I do, please do let me know here.
:: Hey IbnPinker. First off, thank you guys for allowing me to contribute. About imam Bukhari - no problem. I know from experience sunnah.com isn't too honest about the translation. I plan on compiling cases for sunnah.com intentionally deceiving in their English translation. I'm happy to use the template. However, sunnah.com seems to be the main hadith source nowadays, and it seems Muslims deprecate "USC-MSA web (English) reference". Whichever Bukhari hadith you go to on sunnah.com, it'd show at the bottom of the page, that the reference is deprecated. To be honest, I would not trust any online Muslim translation (including quranx), because unlike the books (after printing), they can 'correct' their hadiths after the fact.


My nickname, Graves, is for a reason. To give about 25% of the information, if my Muslim ancestors not only submitted to Islam, but really knew about it and how they were lied, they would've turned in their Graves
:: I'm also writing this article, [[User:Graves/Sandbox_1]] , let me know what you think. It's still work in progress, but still, what do you think


Insofar, the following I plan on writing to WikiIslam,
:: [[User:Graves|Graves]] ([[User talk:Graves|talk]]) 19:17, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 
* [[Changes to the Qur'an during Muhammad by the sahaba]] ([[Sandbox/Changes to the Qur'an during Muhammad by the sahaba]]) - YES that's right. I can't (yet) come up with a better name. Nonetheless, I think this information is crazy, given "the Quran is perfectly preserved".
 
* [[List of known commonly dishonestly Muslim-translated parts of the Quran]] - seems like this is something that should already on the website, but apparently not. While researching Islam, I noticed that across multiple languages beginning from at least about 2000s, the same parts of the Quran are mistranslated. Whether it's "makr" (deceit), "Allah being the best of creators", "'We' having fun with themselves", "Book meaning Quran", "Sun in the muddy spring", "Lord of the Worlds" etc. Whoever writes the article needs to make sure that he pre-existing articles are re-used and cross-references; as well as that it's within the scope of WikiIslam
 
* [[Known instances of deliberate dishonesty on Sunnah.com]] ([[Sandbox/Known instances of deliberate dishonesty on Sunnah.com]]) - This is getting increasingly important, due to the increasing usage of Sunnah.com by the Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Unlike the printed Islamic books that tell the same no matter how much time passes, Sunnah.com makes hadiths less  and less honestly-translated in real-time all the time.
 
Other ideas,
 
* [[Interesting Shia hadiths]] - they are everywhere, but perhaps a good idea to compile them.
 
* [[Al Kafi]] - the sub-page of the "Shia hadiths", where we analyse his work, his works' structure. There are latter  3-rd party Islamic leaders marking his hadiths, sometimes one saying that X is sahih, and Y says it's daeef. No references for either, no analysis, no nothing. And there is a seemingly plethera of evidence that Al Kafi compiled his hadiths in the order of authenticity (most authentic hadiths in the beginning, least authentic in the end). Whichever is the case, someone needs to investigate this.
 
* [[Shiite whale "fetish"]] ([[Sandbox/Shiite whale "fetish"]]) - NOT to be confused with [[The Islamic Whale]]. There can be correlations, but Shia information takes it a step further. Which is important not only for the Shia Islam research, but also to give an idea what early Muslims thought in the past, including the firm belief in the [[Flat Earth and the Quran]]
 
* [[Suicide in Islam]] - Is it really prohibited, and is it really the same as it is understand in the West? This should be an easy article to write, very much not NSFW, just quick-n-easy exposing on what the Quran teaches the whereabouts of those who lose life
 
* [["Honey" in Islam]] - isn't really honey made by the bees. This is a word that actually means something dirty, covered up by the Muslim scholars. This is definitely the case, but the argument is still work-in-progress, and once I'm sure I'm not misrepresenting Muhammad here, it will be out.
 
 
 
Regardless, this is a good page for me know of something.
 
 
=== Other Data ===
 
* https://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Graves/Sandbox_1
* https://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Graves/Sandbox_2
* https://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Graves/Sandbox_3
 
Short Links
* [[User:Graves/Sandbox_1]]
 
* [[User:Graves/Sandbox_2]]
 
* [[User:Graves/Sandbox_3]]

Latest revision as of 19:18, 5 June 2021

Hey, you'll see I moved the contents of this page to your user page for the reasons I mentioned. Just a quick note on the links you added to the Hijab article, the wiki uses these templates (https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Islamic_text_templates) to link to hadith references directly on Quranx.com which, unlike other hadith sites, is strict about preserving the text of the source (the actual published translation itself, I mean, without adding in parenthetical commentary). If you look at how the other templates already being used on the page are formatted I think you'll be able to figure out how to format the ones you added. If you cannot, then look at the template page (e.g. https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Bukhari), that might help. Otherwise just ask for help. Thanks for your work. IbnPinker (talk) 14:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

FYI, because it may not be clear, the only two quran templates used are "Quran" and "Quran-range". The others are probably not helpful. Also don't confuse the non-english templates (e.g. "Buhari" for Bukhari in Turkish) with the english ones. IbnPinker (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Hey IbnPinker. First off, thank you guys for allowing me to contribute. About imam Bukhari - no problem. I know from experience sunnah.com isn't too honest about the translation. I plan on compiling cases for sunnah.com intentionally deceiving in their English translation. I'm happy to use the template. However, sunnah.com seems to be the main hadith source nowadays, and it seems Muslims deprecate "USC-MSA web (English) reference". Whichever Bukhari hadith you go to on sunnah.com, it'd show at the bottom of the page, that the reference is deprecated. To be honest, I would not trust any online Muslim translation (including quranx), because unlike the books (after printing), they can 'correct' their hadiths after the fact.
I'm also writing this article, User:Graves/Sandbox_1 , let me know what you think. It's still work in progress, but still, what do you think
Graves (talk) 19:17, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
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