WikiIslam:Articles or Categories for Deletion: Difference between revisions
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
| Line 13: | Line 13: | ||
::The "about us" page states that the site is "notable for dealing extensively with false propaganda and Islamic pseudoscience," so I don't agree with your assertion that it's irrelevant to this site's mission. In fact the site has an [[:Category:Islamic Propaganda|entire category]] dealing with the stuff. I also don't see where he ever claims that a civilisation's achievements do not count because they were based upon a preceding civilizations. And it doesn't violate this site's policies, because the site's policies obviously apply to the site's editors. It doesn't apply to a document or transcription we quote. For example, there are also pages quoting terrorist transcripts and poems (see [[Terrorist Phone Transcripts (2008 Mumbai attacks)]] & [[Letters (Mohammed Bouyeri)]]). These obviously contain opinions we do not agree with, but we cannot rewrite or alter them. And to apply our guidelines to editors on them (thus having to delete them) would be ridiculous. --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 01:58, 9 January 2013 (PST) | ::The "about us" page states that the site is "notable for dealing extensively with false propaganda and Islamic pseudoscience," so I don't agree with your assertion that it's irrelevant to this site's mission. In fact the site has an [[:Category:Islamic Propaganda|entire category]] dealing with the stuff. I also don't see where he ever claims that a civilisation's achievements do not count because they were based upon a preceding civilizations. And it doesn't violate this site's policies, because the site's policies obviously apply to the site's editors. It doesn't apply to a document or transcription we quote. For example, there are also pages quoting terrorist transcripts and poems (see [[Terrorist Phone Transcripts (2008 Mumbai attacks)]] & [[Letters (Mohammed Bouyeri)]]). These obviously contain opinions we do not agree with, but we cannot rewrite or alter them. And to apply our guidelines to editors on them (thus having to delete them) would be ridiculous. --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 01:58, 9 January 2013 (PST) | ||
:: The problem is that this article deals with the Islamic propaganda claims in a very historically inaccurate manner- for example, the author claims that the Islamic achievements in Mathematics were simply appropriated from the Babylonians; in fact, this is false: although it is true that the Babylonians did invent mathematics, he ignores contributions that Arabs made to mathematics, such as the work of al-Khwarizmi and Abu Kamil, who in fact primarily based their work on Greek or Indian mathematics, not Babylonian. For example, al-Kwarizmi created one of the first detailed tables of trigometric functions, which is something the Babylonians did not accomplish. [[Special:Contributions/99.225.71.144|99.225.71.144]] 12:49, 9 January 2013 (PST) | :: The problem is that this article deals with the Islamic propaganda claims in a very historically inaccurate manner- for example, the author claims that the Islamic achievements in Mathematics were simply appropriated from the Babylonians; in fact, this is false: although it is true that the Babylonians did invent mathematics, he ignores contributions that Arabs made to mathematics, such as the work of al-Khwarizmi and Abu Kamil, who in fact primarily based their work on Greek or Indian mathematics, not Babylonian. For example, al-Kwarizmi created one of the first detailed tables of trigometric functions, which is something the Babylonians did not accomplish, but was actually extrapolated from the works of the Indian mathematicians. [[Special:Contributions/99.225.71.144|99.225.71.144]] 12:49, 9 January 2013 (PST) | ||
==Templates for deletion== | ==Templates for deletion== | ||
Revision as of 20:56, 9 January 2013
Articles or categories for deletion (ACfD) is where we discuss whether an article or category should be deleted. Articles or categories listed here are debated for up to five days, after which the deletion process proceeds based on community consensus. If there are no responses in 5 days to a certain ACfD, it will be assumed that there is no opposition to the deletion proposal and so the page or category will be deleted. Since we dont have that many articles to be deleted, just vote below on this page. Deletions may be postponed if discussions are still continuing and a clear consensus has not been reached.
.
Speedy deletions
The following can qualify for a speedy delete without any discussion:
- Broken redirects to non-existent pages
- Libelous articles without any 3rd party references
- Articles copied from Wikipedia
Articles for deletion
What Arab Civilization?
- The intent of this article seems to be to claim about how Arab/Islamic culture is barbaric and inferior to that of the Assyrians and other non-Muslim civilizations that were prevailent at the time of the Islamic Conquests, and that the Arabs just 'stole' their accomplishments, not to criticise Islam, and is thus irrelevant to this site's mission. In addition, saying that a civilisation's achievements do not count because they were based upon a preceding civilizations seems to be rather poor historiography, which goes against the site's goal of being as scholarly as possible. Finally, the author uses highly sensational language ("Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards"..."If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments" you cited in your speech") to get his point across, which violates this site's policy of avoiding "sensationalist and extremist expressions". Since this article largely consists of a letter written by a third party that is not affiliated with this site, I beleive this should be taken down. 99.225.71.144 17:54, 8 January 2013 (PST)
- The "about us" page states that the site is "notable for dealing extensively with false propaganda and Islamic pseudoscience," so I don't agree with your assertion that it's irrelevant to this site's mission. In fact the site has an entire category dealing with the stuff. I also don't see where he ever claims that a civilisation's achievements do not count because they were based upon a preceding civilizations. And it doesn't violate this site's policies, because the site's policies obviously apply to the site's editors. It doesn't apply to a document or transcription we quote. For example, there are also pages quoting terrorist transcripts and poems (see Terrorist Phone Transcripts (2008 Mumbai attacks) & Letters (Mohammed Bouyeri)). These obviously contain opinions we do not agree with, but we cannot rewrite or alter them. And to apply our guidelines to editors on them (thus having to delete them) would be ridiculous. --Sahabah (talk) 01:58, 9 January 2013 (PST)
- The problem is that this article deals with the Islamic propaganda claims in a very historically inaccurate manner- for example, the author claims that the Islamic achievements in Mathematics were simply appropriated from the Babylonians; in fact, this is false: although it is true that the Babylonians did invent mathematics, he ignores contributions that Arabs made to mathematics, such as the work of al-Khwarizmi and Abu Kamil, who in fact primarily based their work on Greek or Indian mathematics, not Babylonian. For example, al-Kwarizmi created one of the first detailed tables of trigometric functions, which is something the Babylonians did not accomplish, but was actually extrapolated from the works of the Indian mathematicians. 99.225.71.144 12:49, 9 January 2013 (PST)
Templates for deletion
- None at this time
Categories for deletion
Resolved deletions
All resolved discussions will can be viewed at WikiIslam:Articles or categories for deletion/Resolved deletions.