User talk:Prekladator

I recollected that I had made long ago some notes on the whale here. One or two of the sources are the same as the main whale article. Good for yuo to expand instead of translating! Saggy (talk) 15:22, 14 January 2017 (EST)

What columns do you plan to add in it? Saggy (talk) 03:09, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

I don't know, maybe "Tolerate homosexuality"? Just controversial topics that most of the sects would agree on. You can work on it if you want. --Prekladator (talk) 05:50, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

Ok. topics should be Vertical or horizontal? If we get too many topics... Saggy (talk) 09:15, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

I personally would let it as it is. The sects list is also not complete. I think Ahmadiyya is divided into two sects, one thinks Mirza was a nabi and the other rejects it. There are also sufi, salafi.. I think that if there were too many columns, then we could create more tables and instead of "Overview", every table would have a name like "Women", "Violence" etc.

Also I was planning above the table to have some info about those sects like "sunni" with subsections hanbali, salafi etc. and the table(s) would be only an overview. --Prekladator (talk) 10:37, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

Now I realized, topics should definitely be as they are - in columns, so that people can sort the column by yes and no, so that they can easily find sects that say yes. --Prekladator (talk) 10:49, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

And I got two more things to say. I think we should use the Discussion page for the aricle to talk about it so that other understand why it is as it is. And second, I got exhausted by looking for references in those big Arabic books and that's why I stopped working on it. So maybe some english sources would be better. Although I wanted to use the primary sources of the sect. Also I am afraid that english materials will be too modern and not as barabaric as the Arabic originals. --Prekladator (talk) 11:11, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

Ok we will take it to that article's page. Saggy (talk) 16:12, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

Hie. The table is not becoming larger on right side. do you know how to fix this? Saggy (talk) 09:46, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

In columns or cells? Cells are added by putting the "||"s on every row. --Prekladator (talk) 05:56, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

I did that but the screen does not become scrollable to right side. Saggy (talk) 14:57, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

That would be ugly. I have divided it. But now I think that this article will take infinite time. Either we need someone who studied Islam in Arabic to fill it, or we should at least finish some columns and publish at least a smaller table. I think there eventually should be two pages, one in the sandbox (unfinished) and one in the main-space (smaller, but with all answers and referenced). --Prekladator (talk) 19:20, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

Taking it to article's talk page. Saggy (talk) 11:35, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

Here is the list I made and expanded [1]. I am reading nowadays about many Muslims massacring Muslims throughout history. If I continue with listing all these massacres, do you think it weakens the article? Saggy (talk) 12:58, 27 May 2017 (EDT)

No, I think the article should show that Islam produces violence against both Muslims and non-Muslims. If it was only about killing non-Muslims, then one (Muslim) might think that after all non-Muslims are killed, there will be peace on earth. --Prekladator (talk) 06:11, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

You bet. Saggy (talk) 06:22, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

Can you aprove this page? Not too time consuming but has many added interesting questions for Muslims (maybe can be expanded). Saggy (talk) 07:14, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

Good day. I would like to contact admins. Are yourself an admin? Guillotino (talk) 18:35, 2 March 2018 (EST)

Hi, nope. I got only rights to write articles and accept pending changes. If you want someone all-powerful, Lightyears seems to be. Or just write into the WikiIslam:Discussions. Prekladator (talk) 02:19, 3 March 2018 (EST)

Both of them are not look very active. Guillotino (talk) 14:41, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Hello again! Can you expand with some cruel names of Allah in your recent article? I can remember of reading names in the verses like the worst of deceivers and torturers. Can I add these names? Guillotino (talk) 10:09, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

I'm still working on that article. I will move it from "WikiIslam:Sandbox/99 names of Allah" to "99 names of Allah" when it's finished. Prekladator (talk) 11:14, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

Hello long time no see. I also was busy. I thought of putting some of the things came to my mind before I forget. I also thought of making a separate sand box but the admin told me not to make any sand boxes. so I have expanded this portion for you: [2]. I pray it is ok! Guillotino (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

grrr.. I will finish it. I just don't have the time currently. Of course I know about the "best deceiver" thing and I was planning to include it. I think admins, by telling you not to make sandboxes and stuff, they are trying to politely say to stop adding stuff, because your contributions are not scholarly enough. For example in your contribution, "and probably defeat Islam" is just an opinion. Rather show people the facts and let them use their own brain and decide whether Islam is right or wrong. And the last sentences seem to assume that the existence of Satan is an established fact. Prekladator (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Sorry. Let me try to make it right. Guillotino (talk) 14:29, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

Good day. Can I edit your latest article? Guillotino (talk) 17:21, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes. I'm not going to add anything to it now, although I know it could be expanded a lot. I just hope that you want to add something valuable. Prekladator (talk) 17:25, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Of course I want to. Guillotino (talk) 18:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I have found something that i can add in the article Exoplanets in the Quran. Can I? Guillotino (talk) 21:37, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

I have thought of a section on common sense for Bacteria in the Quran Miracle. It is common sense to remove shoes inside a house. Can I add this also?

It's wiki, you can add anything, but it might get deleted if it doesn't add value. I don't know what you want to add. And do you have sources that show it was common sense to take off shoes? Just because it's common sense now doesn't necessarily mean it was common sense for ancient people. Prekladator (talk) 10:35, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello. I was reading your https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rayleigh_Scattering_Not_In_The_Quran article. The last line is like awesome. Guillotino (talk) 18:03, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I've moved them into Scientific Miracles in the Quran. If someone still takes "scientific miracles" seriously after reading all of that, then he's an idiot. I'm going to take a big break.

Hi Prekladator, I am Alan Smith, the new head editor of WikiIslam. I just wanted to let you know that as of a month ago the administrative team of Ex-Muslims of North America has initiated a new project to redefine the scope of WikiIslam and improve the quality of the articles here on WikiIslam. As part of this refinement of scope, we are removing articles which are purely polemic or argumentative in nature vis-a-vis the claims of Islamic apologists. We are doing this because our end goal is to rebuild WikiIslam as THE definitive academic source for information on Islam, its theology, texts, and history. We will be preserving all of this material on our archive which you can fine at archive.wikiislam.net and the links on Google search will also be preserved by redirecting to the archive site. In the fullness of time we intend to migrate this material to a new site focused on apologetics and anti-apologetics which we are currently referring to internally as "WikiExIslam" (name subject to change in the future). As such we will be removing such apologetics/anti-apologetics articles from the front end of the website for now. If we remove anything you think should not be removed or you are unable to find removed material on the Archive Site or if the redirect isn't working correctly, please feel free to reach out to me at [email protected]

I wasn't planning to do more much work anyway. I want to focus more on my life now. I did a lot of work and I was proud, because I've made big portions of systematic debunks and many of them weren't debunked previously. That was before I realized that bad admins can throw the result of dozens of hours of my work to trash. But I hope it will be preserved somehow, although I don't see what's going on, because your plans are not very transparent. From what you're writing, I'm not convinced, that quality equals not arguing against Islam. For me quality is that the claims are true, and the arguments make sense and it's all beneficial for the reader. The concept that "arguing against Islam is baad" sounds islamist. Also I don't agree that apologetics and debunks of apologetics have to be removed to make it more academic. I think academics deal regularly with apologetics. People who study Islam in universities learn apologetic interpretations. So why Wikiislam thinks that apologetics is somehow separate from Islam? We could say that all classical scholars and even Muhammad himself was kinda apologist for Islam. For example the hadith which said that people used to say "sister of Aron" also was apologetic in nature. And it is a part of Islam and it should be analyzed in articles about Islam. Not separately.

"rebuild WikiIslam as THE definitive academic source for information on Islam, its theology, texts, and history" - Islam, its theology, texts and history are defined by Islam and therefore are pro-islamically biased. This bias should be balanced by criticism.

I don't know if I can trust that the archive will be preserved, because I think you want to delete the argumentations because some people are complaining, but they will probably keep complaining until you delete the archive as well and they will be complaining until the website doesn't become pro-Islamically biased. Which would be a pity, because it used to be the center of criticism of Islam. That was what made WikiIslam special.

I don't like WikiExIslam. "ex-Islam" would mean that something stopped being Islam. And for example "The Apostate Prophet" also doesn't make sense, but at least it's funny. But ex-Islam, co me on. If pure anti-apologetic polemics were on a subdomain apologetics.wikiislam.net, that I would find acceptable, although I just think that apologetics have to be dealt with in regular articles. In my opinion, Islamic apologetics are internal parts of Islam. You can't make an academic article about Aisha's age of consummation without mentioning the apologetics. And if you mention the apologetics then it would be a crime not to mention the problems in those arguments. But if it's purely "Responses to apologetics" maybe then it could be something like apologetics.wikiislam.net or polemics.wikiislam.net or something. But please not ex-Islam. I myself am not an ex-Muslim, although I'm in contact with ex-Muslims and I like their culture when it comes to criticism of Islam. But the criticism shouldn't be "ex-Muslim thing". There are many non-Muslims interested in criticism of Islam and need sources.

When it comes to the changes that I've seen. And before I say it, I want to say that I can understand some changes that were made and I'm not saying that everything new is bad, but I just think like, if the change is good, then let it be and if it's bad let's talk about it. I've notice one change, it was in a sense of "this verse calls for violence" changed to "this verse is used by extremists" - the new version indicates as if acting upon it was something not desired by the author of the text and as if it was a misinterpretation of some lunatics. But Muhammad, his companions and classical scholars understood the calls for violence to be calls for violence. So are we now going to pretend that "nooo all religions are peaceful and only baad people don't understand them" for the sake of political correctness?

As for my deleted content, I miss my overview of deceptive tactics in Muhammad's prophecies. It was inspired by a similar part in word count miracles article and I find it useful, because when you have something that has a high quantity (for example scientific miracles, or word count miracles or prophecies), it's not enough to just point out the inconsistencies in every particular miracle. Because there are some things that are wrong in general in the whole topic and it should be summarized. It should be pointed out that there is something wrong with the whole apologetic methodology.I think that a long lists of miracles presented by apologists can be overwhelming and it's good to see that it's actually not amazing, because it all relies on similar strategies. I could handle if it was moved to the purely anti-apologetic part, but it seems it's just deleted and Muhammad's miracles is not in the archive website, the archive is from some old version of Wikiislam. Maybe it's a pity I wasn't in contact with you guys, because sometimes I had a deep thought behind an article, but you see only the article. Not that I want to now cooperate, as I've said, I want to move away from dealing with Islam. I don't see the religion challenging anymore anyway. In times of Zakir Naik and ISIS, it looked like it's strong intellectually and politically. But now with Muhammad Hijab, the religion look pathetic. I don't see new arguments for Islam. It seems that now it's just people in echo chambers slowly realizing the truth.

I will continue studying Arabic, but I don't see why I should study more of Islam. It's dead for me. Prekladator (talk) 18:53, 9 September 2020 (UTC)