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Definitely food for thought later on, if not now. Anyway whatever you think. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:05, 6 November 2014 (PST) | Definitely food for thought later on, if not now. Anyway whatever you think. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:05, 6 November 2014 (PST) | ||
:Tarek Fatah is a critic of Islam. Everything he is known for, his activism, books, talks, and so on, is geared towards this. He has also been labelled an "Islamophobe" and has been likened to Robert Spencer. In some ways, he's probably more hated by Muslims than Robert, Ali, etc., because he self-identifies as a Muslim. So I don't think his tweet should be added to either page. | |||
:About the trivia section at the bottom of pages, I'm against the idea as a whole (even before thinking of what those trivia sections will consist of). I think the idea, if implemented, would look odd. And it's unnecessary clutter to pages that are already cluttered due to our (good) practice of referencing and heavily footnoting everything, using right aligned templates to link back to Core articles, etc. Wikipedia seems to agree; they limit back links and mentions in non-linkable media (scholarly journals, etc) to a box on the talk page of articles (e.g. see the page on Robert Spencer). | |||
:When we actually consider the potential content of these trivia sections, I don't think their effect would be at all positive. This site is different to most sites critical of Islam because it appeals even to those who are neutral towards Islam, even some orthodox Muslims use it as a resources for chronology of the Qur'an, fake hadith list etc. (think back about four years and you'll remember telling me this was your ultimate aim; to one day go around the wiki and remove all opinions, right-wing nonsense, etc. and thankfully I think that has been achieved). Of course, there's still a long way to go, and many more "neutrals" and Muslims that need to be attracted to the site (critics will already use the site, so trying to attract them is like singing to the choir i.e. pretty pointless). So: | |||
:1. '''"Famous person X linked to this page."''' | |||
:These "famous people" will almost certainly be critics of Islam. It's great that they use this site. That's what it's here for, for people to use. But celebrating this fact is counter-productive. If a neutral or Muslim reads that at the bottom of the page (or even on the talk page) the instant reaction would be, "Pat Condell likes this page? Then it's Islamophobic rubbish. Goodbye." It will even effect those who link to us in forum posts, because when forummers visit the link to see his/her side of the argument, they will too most likely dismiss it just as easily. | |||
:2. '''"Former Muslim Y was influenced by this page and mentioned it in their testimony"''' | |||
:This will probably have the same effect as reading number 1. In addition to that, it reflects badly on the site and makes it look too agenda driven. The point is, this site is here to educate and provide facts. Nothing more and nothing less. This (proper facts etc.) will obviously cause quite a few Muslims to leave Islam, but it should remain just that; a side-effect of eduction and proper facts. The site mission now is to "provide an accurate and comprehensive resource on Islam," not to "provide facts in order to help Muslims leave Islam" (as I believe it once was many years ago). Retaining such attitudes will result in a regression of the site's status, rather than an evolution of it. A site that still thinks of itself as a place to "provide facts in order to help Muslims leave Islam" will never be taken seriously by anyone other than the choir. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 01:39, 7 November 2014 (PST) | |||