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:I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST) | :I havent looked into this in much detail but is this the ref you're looking for? If so, please add the ref to the page too (the full text, just like its used in the page I linked). [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins#cite_note-alMiqdaam-32] --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 06:53, 28 January 2016 (EST) | ||
Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with editing privileges should add these or other source links to the article sentence about relatives. Most of the discussions about that particular hadith seem to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST) | Thanks - I followed your link, and found the hadith quotation. Copying that into search engines yielded many sources (including <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=6hQb4as83J0C&lpg=PA203&ots=bxIO430Jtb&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA203#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=VGXMBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA63&ots=wH9idQ-gFr&dq=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&pg=PA63#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22will%20be%20permitted%20to%20intercede%20for%20seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref> and <ref>http://www.hadithanswers.com/the-six-bounties-of-a-martyr-shahid/</ref> <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=dpODBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT326&lpg=PT326&dq=%22The+martyr%22+%22seventy+of+his+relatives.%22&source=bl&ots=WRbu5S4VhT&sig=14y4FR8kK1iElkt8FW5EGWnPvjI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin_p220s3KAhVBzGMKHRU-Ar0Q6AEILTAE#v=onepage&q=%22The%20martyr%22%20%22seventy%20of%20his%20relatives.%22&f=false</ref>) I suggest someone with editing privileges should add these or other source links to the article sentence about relatives. Most of the discussions about that particular hadith seem to focus on the 70 whores (sp?), which might motivate lone gunmen, but plenty of other religions can produce lone gunmen. A doctrine that can motivate a conspiracy of up to 70 related accessories (before and after the fact) to support attacks is much more difficult to deal with using western legal standards.[[User:Curious|Curious]] ([[User talk:Curious|talk]]) 22:32, 28 January 2016 (EST) | ||
:This is nice but it doesnt quote the relevant full texts, which we should do when the issue is controversial (likely to be contested). Is it the same text as I linked? | |||
:As for your additional other than the ref itself, we cant do that since its an essay by "Citizen Warrior" so we cant make major changes to it that could be attributed to the original author. Best to just give a ref to the existed statements. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 21:01, 29 January 2016 (EST) |
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