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The Arabic language has conjunctions as prefixes and possessive pronouns as suffixes. | The Arabic language has conjunctions as prefixes and possessive pronouns as suffixes. | ||
* For example the word "their day" (''yawmi'''him''''') is expressed by a single word in Arabic. And although it is just a simple word "day", apologists don't count this occurrence, only because in Arabic, the word "their" is suffixed. | * For example the word "their day" (''yawmi'''him''''') is expressed by a single word in Arabic. And although it is just a simple word "day", apologists don't count this occurrence, only because in Arabic, the word "their" is suffixed. | ||
* In | * In contrast, the word "and a day" ('''''wa'''yawma'') has the "and" prefixed to the word day (''yawm'') and is counted. | ||
====Calling the Selected Grammatical Form "the simple form"==== | ====Calling the Selected Grammatical Form "the simple form"==== | ||
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* 3) Verse 9:99 "And of the dwellers of the desert are those who believe in Allah and the latter day and take what they spend to be (means of) the nearness of Allah '''and''' the Messenger´s '''prayers''' (وَصَلَوَاتِ, ''wasalawat''); surely it shall be means of nearness for them; Allah will make them enter into His mercy; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." | * 3) Verse 9:99 "And of the dwellers of the desert are those who believe in Allah and the latter day and take what they spend to be (means of) the nearness of Allah '''and''' the Messenger´s '''prayers''' (وَصَلَوَاتِ, ''wasalawat''); surely it shall be means of nearness for them; Allah will make them enter into His mercy; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." | ||
** | ** 2nd valid occurence. | ||
* 4) Verse 22:40 "Those who have been expelled from their homes without a just cause except that they say: Our Lord is Allah. And had there not been Allah´s repelling some people by others, certainly there would have been pulled down cloisters and churches '''and synagogues''' (وَصَلَوَاتٌ, ''wasalawat'') and mosques in which Allah´s name is much remembered; and surely Allah will help him who helps His cause; most surely Allah is Strong, Mighty." | * 4) Verse 22:40 "Those who have been expelled from their homes without a just cause except that they say: Our Lord is Allah. And had there not been Allah´s repelling some people by others, certainly there would have been pulled down cloisters and churches '''and synagogues''' (وَصَلَوَاتٌ, ''wasalawat'') and mosques in which Allah´s name is much remembered; and surely Allah will help him who helps His cause; most surely Allah is Strong, Mighty." | ||
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* The claim that the word "prayer" or "prayers" is mentioned 5 times in the Qur'an, is a lie. | * The claim that the word "prayer" or "prayers" is mentioned 5 times in the Qur'an, is a lie. | ||
* The claim that the Arabic word ''salawat'' is mentioned 5 times (and letting people think it means always "prayer"), is misleading. | * The claim that the Arabic word ''salawat'' is mentioned 5 times (and letting people think it means always "prayer"), is misleading. | ||
== "Seven heavens" mentioned 7 times == | == "Seven heavens" mentioned 7 times == | ||
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Firstly, the words "summer" and "winter" both appear only one time in the Qur'an and in the same verse: | Firstly, the words "summer" and "winter" both appear only one time in the Qur'an and in the same verse: | ||
* 106:2 "Their protection (of the Quraysh) during their trading caravans in the '''winter''' (ٱلشِّتَآءِ, ''ash-shitai'') '''and the summer''' (وَٱلصَّيْفِ, ''wa-ssayf'')" | * 106:2 "Their protection (of the Quraysh) during their trading caravans in the '''winter''' (ٱلشِّتَآءِ, ''ash-shitai'') '''and the summer''' (وَٱلصَّيْفِ, ''wa-ssayf'')" | ||
The fact that these two words appear the same number of times is not very miraculous, since they both appear only once and in the same verse, in a verse which enumerates seasons.. And amazingly, even this word count is problematic, since the word "summer" appears with a ''wa-'' ("and") prefix and words with this prefix were not counted in some miracles | The fact that these two words appear the same number of times is not very miraculous, since they both appear only once and in the same verse, in a verse which enumerates seasons.. And amazingly, even this word count is problematic, since the word "summer" appears with a ''wa-'' ("and") prefix and words with this prefix were not counted in some miracles. | ||
The word "heat" appears 4 times: | The word "heat" appears 4 times: | ||
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* [[12 months miracle in the Quran|The word "month" (shahr) appears 12 times in the Qur'an]] | * [[12 months miracle in the Quran|The word "month" (shahr) appears 12 times in the Qur'an]] | ||
** In this word count, phrases like "twelve months" are counted as singular. | ** In this word count, phrases like "twelve months" are counted as singular. | ||
** | ** The miracle uses the verse that defines the Islamic lunar calendar, while the 365 miracle uses the Gregorian calendar, which is based on the solar year. | ||
* [[Man and woman word count|The words "man" and "woman" both appear 23 times and 23 is the number of chromosomes]] | * [[Man and woman word count|The words "man" and "woman" both appear 23 times and 23 is the number of chromosomes]] | ||
** The word "woman" appears 24 times. | ** The word "woman" appears 24 times. | ||
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** A meaningless connection. "People who are misled" are not dead. They die, but Muslims die as well. | ** A meaningless connection. "People who are misled" are not dead. They die, but Muslims die as well. | ||
* The word Moon (قمر, ''al-qamr'') occurs 27 times scientific miracle. | * The word Moon (قمر, ''al-qamr'') occurs 27 times scientific miracle. | ||
** There are many things that could be measured about the Moon, so if the word count hits one of those things, it is not very amazing and it is actually very probable. | ** There are many things that could be measured about the Moon, so if the word count hits one of those things, it is not very amazing and it is actually very probable. | ||
** The Moon's orbit around the Earth takes 29.5 days (synodic period) with respect to the Earth and 27.3 days with respect to the stars (sidereal period) <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_period</ref>. So even when it comes to the orbit period, the Qur'an had already two chances (or 3, when we include 29 and 30). | ** The Moon's orbit around the Earth takes 29.5 days (synodic period) with respect to the Earth and 27.3 days with respect to the stars (sidereal period) <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_period</ref>. So even when it comes to the orbit period, the Qur'an had already two chances (or 3, when we include 29 and 30). | ||
*** 27.3 is not 27. Why Allah didn't choose some whole number, like mentioning the word only once, since the Moon is the Earths only natural satellite? He could also mention other planets and their satellites. Why Allah doesn't speak about other planets? And if he cares especially about our planet, then why he didn't mention the 29 days orbit period with respect to the Earth? | *** 27.3 is not 27. Why Allah didn't choose some whole number, like mentioning the word only once, since the Moon is the Earths only natural satellite? He could also mention other planets and their satellites. Why Allah doesn't speak about other planets? And if he cares especially about our planet, then why he didn't mention the 29 days orbit period with respect to the Earth? | ||
*** The length of the Moon's orbit changes over millions of years, as does the length of the Earth's day (in a greater proportion, such that it would become tidally locked with the moon if this continued forever). Why didn't Allah make the moon orbit in exactly 27 days at this stage of human history if he planned a word count miracle in the Qur'an? | |||
*** If we count the word "earth" (الْأَرْضَ, ''al-ard''), do we get 365 occurrences as the Earth orbits 365 days around the Sun? | *** If we count the word "earth" (الْأَرْضَ, ''al-ard''), do we get 365 occurrences as the Earth orbits 365 days around the Sun? | ||
**** We don't.<ref>http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=ArD</ref> | **** We don't.<ref>http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=ArD</ref> | ||
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* There are exactly 0 word count miracles in the Qur'an. This is the conclusion not only of the critics of Islam, but also of many Islamic scholars. | * There are exactly 0 word count miracles in the Qur'an. This is the conclusion not only of the critics of Islam, but also of many Islamic scholars. | ||
* Apologists use various questionable counting methods to get some interesting number. Since they are using so many counting methods, it is very probable that they would find some word counts that are in some way interesting. It is probable - not improbable nor miraculous. Also they use additional deceptive methods like mistranslation to make the word count claims look better. | * Apologists use various questionable counting methods to get some interesting number. Since they are using so many counting methods, it is very probable that they would find some word counts that are in some way interesting. It is probable - not improbable nor miraculous. Also they use additional deceptive methods like mistranslation to make the word count claims look better. | ||
** Probably the most amazing claim of the word "day" appearing 365 days is false. | ** Probably the most amazing claim of the word "day" appearing 365 days is false. It is based on arbitrary exclusions and uses the solar, Gregorian calendar, while the 12 months miracle claim uses a verse that defines the Islamic year as based on the lunar calendar, which lasts 354 days. | ||
** Probably the most valid claim is that the Qur'an mentions "angel" (+ "angels") and "shaytan" (+"shaytans") both 88 times. But this word count is inconsistent with the majority of other word counts with regards to its counting method, by counting plural and singular forms together and by including words with prefixes and suffixes. | ** Probably the most valid claim is that the Qur'an mentions "angel" (+ "angels") and "shaytan" (+"shaytans") both 88 times. But this word count is inconsistent with the majority of other word counts with regards to its counting method, by counting plural and singular forms together and by including words with prefixes and suffixes. | ||
*** Apologists (in the description of the word count) try to make it seem that only the singular (or only the plural) forms were counted,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3QHYELlo1s | *** Apologists (in the description of the word count) try to make it seem that only the singular (or only the plural) forms were counted,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3QHYELlo1s | ||