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* Zaify's article [https://medium.com/@galacticwarrior9/the-islamic-whale-debunked-1bc3a922b845 “The Islamic Whale” - debunked] | * Zaify's article [https://medium.com/@galacticwarrior9/the-islamic-whale-debunked-1bc3a922b845 “The Islamic Whale” - debunked] | ||
** "The argument attempts to prove that the Qur’an implies the Earth is carried on the back of a whale." | ** ''"The argument attempts to prove that the Qur’an implies the Earth is carried on the back of a whale."'' | ||
*** No, the main point is that Muslims understood it that way. | *** No, the main point is that Muslims understood it that way. | ||
** "...the matter at hand is a narration from Ibn Abbas rather than a direct claim made by a mufassir." | ** ''"...the matter at hand is a narration from Ibn Abbas rather than a direct claim made by a mufassir."'' | ||
*** Ibn Abbas IS a mufassir. | *** Ibn Abbas IS a mufassir. | ||
** "Ijtihad means independent reasoning." | ** ''"Ijtihad means independent reasoning."'' | ||
*** The Quran and the hadiths are the basis for reasoning of a Muslim. In Islam the Earth is flat. So within this ideology, it IS reasonable to expect something to hold the Earth. | *** The Quran and the hadiths are the basis for reasoning of a Muslim. In Islam the Earth is flat. So within this ideology, it IS reasonable to expect something to hold the Earth. | ||
** "...an example where Ibn Abbas narrates contradicting Isra’iliyat reports regarding the dimensions of Noah’s Ark..." | ** ''"...an example where Ibn Abbas narrates contradicting Isra’iliyat reports regarding the dimensions of Noah’s Ark..."'' | ||
*** Why he didn't say both versions in both narrations? It seems more likely that he narrated one version, but one of the hadith was corrupted. | *** Why he didn't say both versions in both narrations? It seems more likely that he narrated one version, but one of the hadith was corrupted. | ||
** "Nobody is criticising Ka’b al-Ahbar - or Ibn Abbas for that matter - for narrating Isra’iliyat. Rather, we are castigating those present the Isra’iliyat as narrations from the Prophet (ﷺ) or opinions of the companions, and so say that they must be believed by Muslims." | ** ''"Nobody is criticising Ka’b al-Ahbar - or Ibn Abbas for that matter - for narrating Isra’iliyat. Rather, we are castigating those present the Isra’iliyat as narrations from the Prophet (ﷺ) or opinions of the companions, and so say that they must be believed by Muslims."'' | ||
*** But this is about the interpretation of the Quran and Muhammad made dua for Ibn Abbas, so that he can know the correct interpretation. Did the dua not work? And if it worked, why Ibn Abbas didn't oppose The Islamic Whale hypothesis? | *** But this is about the interpretation of the Quran and Muhammad made dua for Ibn Abbas, so that he can know the correct interpretation. Did the dua not work? And if it worked, why Ibn Abbas didn't oppose The Islamic Whale hypothesis? | ||
** "Nun (ن), is known in Arabic as one of the muqatta’at... their meaning is only known to Allah." | ** ''"Nun (ن), is known in Arabic as one of the muqatta’at... their meaning is only known to Allah."'' | ||
*** So how can you be sure that it doesn't mean whale? | *** So how can you be sure that it doesn't mean whale? | ||
** "The spelling of the two Nuns are different; they are only similar in pronounciation." | ** ''"The spelling of the two Nuns are different; they are only similar in pronounciation."'' | ||
*** No. They are exactly the same in pronunciation. The letter ن ("n") is read as نون ("nun"). | *** No. They are exactly the same in pronunciation. The letter ن ("n") is read as نون ("nun"). | ||
** "A comparison can be made with the English words hear and here. Although they sound identical, they have different meanings. It is not logical to claim that they have the same meaning because they have the same pronounciation." | ** ''"A comparison can be made with the English words hear and here. Although they sound identical, they have different meanings. It is not logical to claim that they have the same meaning because they have the same pronounciation."'' | ||
*** But we do NOT have ن and نون written differently by Muhammad or Ibn Abbas and then claiming that these differently spelled words have the same meaning. It was transmitted orally and it was pronounced "nun" in both cases. And how some people, dozens of years later, chose to write these orally transmitted traditions, is irrelevant. | *** But we do NOT have ن and نون written differently by Muhammad or Ibn Abbas and then claiming that these differently spelled words have the same meaning. It was transmitted orally and it was pronounced "nun" in both cases. And how some people, dozens of years later, chose to write these orally transmitted traditions, is irrelevant. | ||