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Hi Prekladator, I am Alan Smith, the new head editor of WikiIslam. I just wanted to let you know that as of a month ago the administrative team of Ex-Muslims of North America has initiated a new project to redefine the scope of WikiIslam and improve the quality of the articles here on WikiIslam. As part of this refinement of scope, we are removing articles which are purely polemic or argumentative in nature vis-a-vis the claims of Islamic apologists. We are doing this because our end goal is to rebuild WikiIslam as THE definitive academic source for information on Islam, its theology, texts, and history. We will be preserving all of this material on our archive which you can fine at archive. | Hi Prekladator, I am Alan Smith, the new head editor of WikiIslam. I just wanted to let you know that as of a month ago the administrative team of Ex-Muslims of North America has initiated a new project to redefine the scope of WikiIslam and improve the quality of the articles here on WikiIslam. As part of this refinement of scope, we are removing articles which are purely polemic or argumentative in nature vis-a-vis the claims of Islamic apologists. We are doing this because our end goal is to rebuild WikiIslam as THE definitive academic source for information on Islam, its theology, texts, and history. We will be preserving all of this material on our archive which you can fine at archive.wikiislam.net and the links on Google search will also be preserved by redirecting to the archive site. In the fullness of time we intend to migrate this material to a new site focused on apologetics and anti-apologetics which we are currently referring to internally as "WikiExIslam" (name subject to change in the future). As such we will be removing such apologetics/anti-apologetics articles from the front end of the website for now. If we remove anything you think should not be removed or you are unable to find removed material on the Archive Site or if the redirect isn't working correctly, please feel free to reach out to me at [email protected] | ||
:: I wasn't planning to do more much work anyway. I want to focus more on my life now. I did a lot of work and I was proud, because I've made big portions of systematic debunks and many of them weren't debunked previously. That was before I realized that bad admins can throw the result of dozens of hours of my work to trash. But I hope it will be preserved somehow, although I don't see what's going on, because your plans are not very transparent. From what you're writing, I'm not convinced, that quality equals not arguing against Islam. For me quality is that the claims are true, and the arguments make sense and it's all beneficial for the reader. The concept that "arguing against Islam is baad" sounds islamist. Also I don't agree that apologetics and debunks of apologetics have to be removed to make it more academic. I think academics deal regularly with apologetics. People who study Islam in universities learn apologetic interpretations. So why Wikiislam thinks that apologetics is somehow separate from Islam? We could say that all classical scholars and even Muhammad himself was kinda apologist for Islam. For example the hadith which said that people used to say "sister of Aron" also was apologetic in nature. And it is a part of Islam and it should be analyzed in articles about Islam. Not separately. | |||
::"rebuild WikiIslam as THE definitive academic source for information on Islam, its theology, texts, and history" - Islam, its theology, texts and history are defined by Islam and therefore are pro-islamically biased. This bias should be balanced by criticism. | |||
:: I don't know if I can trust that the archive will be preserved, because I think you want to delete the argumentations because some people are complaining, but they will probably keep complaining until you delete the archive as well and they will be complaining until the website doesn't become pro-Islamically biased. Which would be a pity, because it used to be the center of criticism of Islam. That was what made WikiIslam special. | |||
:: I don't like WikiExIslam. "ex-Islam" would mean that something stopped being Islam. And for example "The Apostate Prophet" also doesn't make sense, but at least it's funny. But ex-Islam, co me on. If pure anti-apologetic polemics were on a subdomain apologetics.wikiislam.net, that I would find acceptable, although I just think that apologetics have to be dealt with in regular articles. In my opinion, Islamic apologetics are internal parts of Islam. You can't make an academic article about Aisha's age of consummation without mentioning the apologetics. And if you mention the apologetics then it would be a crime not to mention the problems in those arguments. But if it's purely "Responses to apologetics" maybe then it could be something like apologetics.wikiislam.net or polemics.wikiislam.net or something. But please not ex-Islam. I myself am not an ex-Muslim, although I'm in contact with ex-Muslims and I like their culture when it comes to criticism of Islam. But the criticism shouldn't be "ex-Muslim thing". There are many non-Muslims interested in criticism of Islam and need sources. | |||
:: When it comes to the changes that I've seen. And before I say it, I want to say that I can understand some changes that were made and I'm not saying that everything new is bad, but I just think like, if the change is good, then let it be and if it's bad let's talk about it. I've notice one change, it was in a sense of "this verse calls for violence" changed to "this verse is used by extremists" - the new version indicates as if acting upon it was something not desired by the author of the text and as if it was a misinterpretation of some lunatics. But Muhammad, his companions and classical scholars understood the calls for violence to be calls for violence. So are we now going to pretend that "nooo all religions are peaceful and only baad people don't understand them" for the sake of political correctness? | |||
:: As for my deleted content, I miss my overview of deceptive tactics in [[Muhammad's prophecies]]. It was inspired by a similar part in word count miracles article and I find it useful, because when you have something that has a high quantity (for example scientific miracles, or word count miracles or prophecies), it's not enough to just point out the inconsistencies in every particular miracle. Because there are some things that are wrong in general in the whole topic and it should be summarized. It should be pointed out that there is something wrong with the whole apologetic methodology.I think that a long lists of miracles presented by apologists can be overwhelming and it's good to see that it's actually not amazing, because it all relies on similar strategies. I could handle if it was moved to the purely anti-apologetic part, but it seems it's just deleted and Muhammad's miracles is not in the archive website, the archive is from some old version of Wikiislam. Maybe it's a pity I wasn't in contact with you guys, because sometimes I had a deep thought behind an article, but you see only the article. Not that I want to now cooperate, as I've said, I want to move away from dealing with Islam. I don't see the religion challenging anymore anyway. In times of Zakir Naik and ISIS, it looked like it's strong intellectually and politically. But now with Muhammad Hijab, the religion look pathetic. I don't see new arguments for Islam. It seems that now it's just people in echo chambers slowly realizing the truth. | |||
:: I will continue studying Arabic, but I don't see why I should study more of Islam. It's dead for me. [[User:Prekladator|Prekladator]] ([[User talk:Prekladator|talk]]) 18:53, 9 September 2020 (UTC) | |||