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 While critics bring the counter arguments why freedom to criticise, critique and mock religion is in accordance with the human nature, and has been fundamental to human progress<ref>[https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2021/07/naz-shahs-argument-on-blasphemy-should-be-rejected Why mocking religion is necessary for human progress! Secularism.Org.]</ref><ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/rolct3/reasons_why_criticizing_and_even_hating_and_even/ Reasons why criticizing and even hating and insulting Muhammad is fully justified]</ref>. They point out, even Quran and Hadith themselves contain insult and blasphemy against the Non-Muslims.
-== Argument of the Supporters of Blasphemy law ==
+==Perspective of the Supporters of Blasphemy law==
-In many Islamic countries, insulting Islam or prophet Muhammad is already a crime with severe punishments, including killing<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law#Muslim-majority_countries Punishment of insulting Islam/Muhammad in the Islamic Countries]</ref>. Now the supporters of blasphemy laws want to make it a criminal act in the Non-Muslim countries too.
+In many Islamic countries, insulting Islam or prophet Muhammad is already a crime with punishments, including killing<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law#Muslim-majority_countries Punishment of insulting Islam/Muhammad in the Islamic Countries]</ref>. There is a campaign now to make it also a criminal offence in the western secular world too.
-UK Parliament Naz Shah urged to criminalise all acts insulting to Prophet Muhammad and gave the following argument for this:
+=== (1) Insulting Muhammad causes unbearable emotional harm to those who love him ===
+UK Parliament Naz Shah urged to criminalise all acts that insult Prophet Muhammad:
 {{Quote|[https://ummid.com/news/2021/july/08.07.2021/uk-parliament-urged-to-criminalise-all-acts-insulting-to-prophet-muhammad.html UK Parliament urged to criminalise all acts insulting to Prophet Muhammad]|“It is because Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the leader for two billion Muslims who commemorate Him in their hearts, honour Him in their lives ... But when bigots and racist defame, slander or abuse our Prophet (PBUH), ... the emotional harm caused upon our hearts is unbearable”}}
-Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan also brought the same argument of hurting the feelings of billions of Muslims and added that it should be made criminal as Holocaust is.
+=== (2) Negative comment on Muhammad should be a considered a criminal offense like Holocaust ===
+It is a criminal offence in some European countries to make a negative comment about Holocaust<ref>[https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2021/698043/EPRS_BRI(2021)698043_EN.pdf EU: Holocaust denial in criminal law]</ref>. Prime Minister Imran Khan of Pakistan arguments that negative comment on Muhammad should be considered a criminal offence like Holocaust.
 {{Quote|[https://www.dawn.com/news/1618885 Pakistan PM calls for West to criminalise blasphemy against Islam]|My message to extremists abroad who indulge in Islamophobia & racist slurs to hurt & cause pain to 1.3 bn Muslims across the globe: We Muslims have the greatest love & respect for our Prophet PBUH who lives in our hearts. We cannot tolerate any such disrespect & abuse.</br>
 I call on Western govts who have outlawed any negative comment on the holocaust to use the same standards to penalise those deliberately spreading their message of hate against Muslims by abusing our Prophet.}}
-== Response from the Critics of Blasphemy law ==
+==Response from the Critics of Blasphemy law==
-=== (1) Punishment of an "Oral" Insult could not be any "Physical" Punishment ===
+===(1) Punishment of an "Oral" Insult could not be any "Physical" Punishment===
-There is a campaign for repealing the blasphemy laws<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law#Campaigns_for_repeal Campaign for repealing the Blasphemy Laws]</ref>, und which many Western countries have already abolished the blasphemy laws completely in the recent times. The reason is that punishment of the any "oral" insult could not be any "physical" punishment.
+There is a campaign for repealing the blasphemy laws<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law#Campaigns_for_repeal Campaign for repealing the Blasphemy Laws]</ref>, under which many Western countries have already abolished the blasphemy laws completely in the recent times. The reason is that punishment of the any "oral" insult could not be any "physical" punishment.
 {{Quote|[https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/rolct3/reasons_why_criticizing_and_even_hating_and_even/ Reddit]|If 1.5 billion Muslims are hurt from the oral insult of prophet, then the Secular Western Laws also allow these 1.5 billion Muslims to orally insult that person and hurt his feelings too in the reply. And if oral insult has any influence, then that person would surely die due the curses and insults of these 1.5 Billion Muslims.}}
-Critics of blasphemy laws consider the modern Secular laws of the western countries to be in accordance with the Justice.
+Critics of blasphemy laws consider the modern Secular laws of the western countries to be in accordance with the Justice, where the punishment of oral insult is only the oral insult in reply.
-=== (2) Where there is “Preaching”, there is also “Criticism” ===
+===(2) Where there is “Preaching”, there is also “Criticism”===
+Both preaching and criticism go hand in hand in the western secular law. Everyone is allowed to preach his religion/ideology, but then other is also fully allowed to differ and criticise. Western Secular laws provide with full freedom to preach your religion/ideology, which comes under the right of [https://ec.europa.eu/info/aid-development-cooperation-fundamental-rights/your-rights-eu/know-your-rights/freedoms/freedom-thought-conscience-and-religion_en Freedom of Religion]. At the same time, they also provide full freedom to criticise any religion/ideology under the right of [https://ec.europa.eu/info/aid-development-cooperation-fundamental-rights/your-rights-eu/know-your-rights/freedoms/freedom-expression-and-information_en Freedom of Expression].
+=== (3) Where there is “Praise”, there is also “Insult” ===
+Critics of blasphemy explains it as under:
+{{Quote|[https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/rolct3/reasons_why_criticizing_and_even_hating_and_even/ Reddit]|Muslims consider Muhammad to be the best of mankind. Thus they could highly "praise" Muhammad.
+While there are Non-Muslims who believe Muhammad to be an evil person, and millions of people were killed due to his false drama of prophethood. And they are hurt and feel emotional harmed when such an evil person (in their opinion) is "praised".
-'''Muslim Argument :''' ''Penalty of blasphemy is death while it hurts the feelings of 1.5 billion Muslims''
+Nevertheless, the western secular system fully allows Muslims to praise Muhammad as much as they want, while the Non-Muslims could not stop them from praising Muhammad, and they have to bear this praise in name of Freedom of Expression and move on.
-'''Answer:  '''''If 1.5 billion Muslims are hurt, then these 1.5 billion Muslims are also allowed to insult that person and hurt his feelings too in reply. And if oral insult has any influence, then that person would surely die due the curses and insults of these 1.5 Billion Muslims.'' This is the only punishment of oral insult, and no one is allowed to inflict any “physical harm” to others for any oral insult. These are those principles of Justice, which Muslims could not change by using the lame excuse of blasphemy.
+Similarly, even if Muslims claim they are hurt when someone insults Muhammad, still they could not stop non-Muslims from orally insulting Muhammad. They have to bear this insult and move on.}}
-=== '''Where there is “Preaching”, there is also “Criticism”:''' ===
+(4)
-Both preaching and criticism go hand in hand. Everyone is allowed to preach his religion/ideology, but then other is also fully allowed to differ and criticise. Unfortunately, Islamic System in Muslim countries show “Double Standards”, where they neither allow non-Muslims to criticise Islam, nor they allow them to preach to Muslims about their religion/ideologies, nor they allow Muslims to leave Islam. Therefore, instead of blaming others, Muslims should ponder upon their Double Standards.  The rule is simple, where there is preaching, there is also criticism.
-=== '''Where there is “Praise”, there is also “Insult”:''' ===
-Western System allows Muslims to praise Muhammad as much as they want if they consider him to be a good human being. And even if non-Muslims believe that Muhammad was doing a false drama of Prophethood, and he was a cruel person who killed thousands for his false prophethood, and they are hurt when someone praises such tyrant,  still they are not allowed to stop Muslims from praising Muhammad. They have to bear this praise of Muhammad and move on.
-Similarly, even if Muslims claim they love Muhammad more than their life and it hurt them when someone insults Muhammad, still they could not stop non-Muslims from orally insulting Muhammad. They have to bear this insult and move on.
-The rule is simple, where there is a "praise", there is also an "insult". But when Muslims want the right to praise Muhammad for themselves, but at the same time want to take the rights of others to insult him, then these are the double standards.
+===Western Law is totally in accordance with Human Nature:===
-=== Western Law is totally in accordance with Human Nature: ===
 Anger is a part of human nature. It is a normal that people may become angry during debates due to the difference of opinions. And in anger, they may use harsh word for the opponents, or even curse or abuse them. And western law is thus based upon this exact human nature. It understand humans and their shortcomings.
 Even the writer of Quran also showed exactly this human nature in Quran. When opponents didn't accept prophethood of Muhammad, then writer of Quran becomes "angry" and then he starts cursing and abusing the opponents in Quran.
-* Allah is himself cursing  the non-Muslims in Quran at many places
+*Allah is himself cursing  the non-Muslims in Quran at many places
-* Allah is calling them to be similar like Donkeys and Dog and worst of the Creation in Quran.
+*Allah is calling them to be similar like Donkeys and Dog and worst of the Creation in Quran.
-* And Allah called Walid bin Mughira to be a “bastard” (Arabic: زنیم) in this Quran
+*And Allah called Walid bin Mughira to be a “bastard” (Arabic: زنیم) in this Quran
-* And Allah called his opponent as Abu Jahl (father of ignorance).
+*And Allah called his opponent as Abu Jahl (father of ignorance).
-* And Allah cursed Abu Lahab and his wife in Quran.
+*And Allah cursed Abu Lahab and his wife in Quran.
-* While “Authentic Tradition” in Sahih Bukhari (link) tells that Abu Bakr abused the ambassador of pagans by telling him to go and suck the clitoris of his goddess (named al-Laat). Muhammad was also present there and he kept silent and thus made such abusing of gods of non-Muslims to be Halal (permissible) in Shariah.
+*While “Authentic Tradition” in Sahih Bukhari (link) tells that Abu Bakr abused the ambassador of pagans by telling him to go and suck the clitoris of his goddess (named al-Laat). Muhammad was also present there and he kept silent and thus made such abusing of gods of non-Muslims to be Halal (permissible) in Shariah.
 We are non-Muslims and according to our understanding there existed no Allah in the heavens, but it was Muhammad himself who was doing this drama of revelation. Thus we could understand when writer of Quran (i.e. Muhammad) showed this "human behaviour" when he became angry just like humans, and started cursing/abusing the opponents.
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 Muslims claim divine Allah has divine MORALS. Then question arises: ''"When even "Divine Allah" is not able to control upon his anger and he could cursing and abusing the opponents, how then could we expect from a "normal human being" to have full control upon his anger, and to show "better Morals" then even divine Allah?"''
-=== Muslim Claim: Islam indeed allows "criticism", but it should be in "Limits" ===
+===Muslim Claim: Islam indeed allows "criticism", but it should be in "Limits"===
 '''Answer:''' "But what are these so-called "Limits"? Again divine Allah  has divine morals. Still, this same Allah is saying "Bastard" to opponent in Quran (Verse 68:13), this same Allah is "Cursing" the opponents everywhere in Quran, this same Allah is saying "Donkey" and "Dogs" and "Worst of Creatures" to the opponents in this same Quran.
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 These are absolute double standards by Muslims when Allah/Muhammad curse/abuse then it is ok for them. But when non-Muslims curse/abuse, then they start crying "blasphemy" and then start killing the humans.
-== Quranic Verses where Allah cursed and abused the Non-Muslims ==
+==Quranic Verses where Allah cursed and abused the Non-Muslims==
 <blockquote>(Quran 68:10-13) Heed not the type of despicable men,- ready with oaths, A slanderer, going about with calumnies, (Habitually) hindering (all) good, transgressing beyond bounds, deep in sin, Violent (and cruel),- with all that, '''base-born (bastard)''',-</blockquote>Quran used all these bad words for Walid bin al-Mughirah. He didn’t accept that Muhammad was any prophet, but he said that Muhammad had lost his senses. Upon that Quran called him all these names including “bastard”.
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 And then Allah:
-* Calls Non-Muslims to be Kafirs in Quran
+*Calls Non-Muslims to be Kafirs in Quran
-* CURSES them everywhere in Quran
+*CURSES them everywhere in Quran
-* Abuses them by calling them “animals” (and at some places call them “worst than animals”)
+*Abuses them by calling them “animals” (and at some places call them “worst than animals”)
-* Abuses them by calling them “donkeys” and “dogs”
+*Abuses them by calling them “donkeys” and “dogs”
-* Abuses them by calling them “worst of creatures”
+*Abuses them by calling them “worst of creatures”
-* Calls them deaf and blind
+*Calls them deaf and blind
-* Calls them Fasiq (evil transgressors)
+*Calls them Fasiq (evil transgressors)
-* Calls them Filthy and Unclean
+*Calls them Filthy and Unclean
-* Calls them Fools for questioning illogical decision of Allah
+*Calls them Fools for questioning illogical decision of Allah
 Here are these Quranic Verses.<blockquote>(Quran 2:89) فَلَعْنَةُ اللَّـهِ عَلَى الْكَافِرِينَ
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 And the parable of those who disbelieve is as the parable of one who calls out to that which hears no more than a call and a cry; deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they do not understand.
 (Quran 5:60) قُلْ هَلْ أُنَبِّئُكُم بِشَرٍّ مِّن ذَٰلِكَ مَثُوبَةً عِندَ اللَّـهِ مَن لَّعَنَهُ اللَّـهُ وَغَضِبَ عَلَيْهِ وَجَعَلَ مِنْهُمُ الْقِرَدَةَ وَالْخَنَازِيرَ وَعَبَدَ الطَّاغُوتَ أُولَـٰئِكَ شَرٌّ مَّكَانًا وَأَضَلُّ عَن سَوَاءِ السَّبِيلِ
 Say, "Should I tell you who will receive the worst punishment from God? Those whom God has condemned, afflicted with His anger, made apes out of them, swine and worshippers of Satan, will have the worst dwelling and will wander far away from the right path."</blockquote><blockquote>(Quran 7:176) وَلَوْ شِئْنَا لَرَفَعْنَاهُ بِهَا وَلَـٰكِنَّهُ أَخْلَدَ إِلَى الْأَرْضِ وَاتَّبَعَ هَوَاه فَمَثَلُهُ كَمَثَلِ الْكَلْبِ إِن تَحْمِلْ عَلَيْهِ يَلْهَثْ أَوْ تَتْرُكْهُ يَلْهَث ذَّٰلِكَ مَثَلُ الْقَوْمِ الَّذِينَ كَذَّبُوا بِآيَاتِنَا فَاقْصُصِ الْقَصَصَ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ
 And if We had pleased, We would certainly have exalted him thereby; but he clung to the earth and followed his low desire, so his parable is as the parable of the dog; if you attack him he lolls out his tongue; and if you leave him alone he lolls out his tongue; this is the parable of the people who reject Our communications;</blockquote><blockquote>(Quran 47:12) إِنَّ اللَّـهَ يُدْخِلُ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِن تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ وَالَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا يَتَمَتَّعُونَ وَيَأْكُلُونَ كَمَا تَأْكُلُ الْأَنْعَامُ وَالنَّارُ مَثْوًى لَّهُمْ
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