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The word translated "missiles" is rujūman (رُجُومًا), which are things that are thrown, especially stones.<ref>http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume3/00000214.pdf</ref> | The word translated "missiles" is rujūman (رُجُومًا), which are things that are thrown, especially stones.<ref>http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume3/00000214.pdf</ref> | ||
Stars and planets were often called the same thing as they were simple lights in the sky, with stars appearing 'fixed' and planets notably moving. Such as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Fixed_Stars book of fixed stars] ' | Stars and planets were often called the same thing as they were simple lights in the sky, with stars appearing 'fixed' and planets notably moving. Such as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Fixed_Stars book of fixed stars] '''كتاب صور الكواكب kitāb suwar al-kawākib.''' an astronomical text written by Abd al-Rahman al-Sufi (Azophi) around 964. (A term used for stars by astrologists) | ||
Burujun meaning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Burooj | (kawakib ٱلْكَوَاكِبِ) elsewhere in the Qur'an: https://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=kwkb#(82:2:2) | ||
Burujun meaning great stars or constellations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Burooj | |||
Other relevant verses are {{Quran|55|33-35}} (flame of fire and smoke, though a slightly different context) and {{Quran|72|8-9}} . | Other relevant verses are {{Quran|55|33-35}} (flame of fire and smoke, though a slightly different context) and {{Quran|72|8-9}} . | ||
{{Quote|{{Quran|55|33-35}}|O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah]. So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny? There will be sent upon you a flame of fire and smoke, and you will not defend yourselves.}}{{Quote|{{Quran|72|8-9}}|And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames. And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.}}'Eventually in Arabic, ''najm'' came to mean “a fixed star” while ''kawkab'' “a planetary body” but there are plenty of exceptions to this rule.' Planets were believed to be moving stars. David Cook https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-94-007-7747-7_8525 | {{Quote|{{Quran|55|33-35}}|O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah]. So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny? There will be sent upon you a flame of fire and smoke, and you will not defend yourselves.}}{{Quote|{{Quran|72|8-9}}|And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames. And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.}}'Eventually in Arabic, ''najm'' generally came to mean “a fixed star” while ''kawkab'' “a planetary body” but there are plenty of exceptions to this rule.' Planets were believed to be moving stars. David Cook https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-94-007-7747-7_8525 | ||
David Cook https://journals.openedition.org/remmm/247?file=1 | David Cook https://journals.openedition.org/remmm/247?file=1 | ||
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=== Vs the science === | === Vs the science === | ||
'''Expand on meteors here''' | |||
If the flaming missiles mentioned by the Quran are to be identified with meteors burning up in the Earth's atmosphere, this would locate the eavesdropping devils (or jinn) in the upper atmosphere too, which leaves no way for the (extremely distant) stars to serve as guards in this process as outlined in the verses. | If the flaming missiles mentioned by the Quran are to be identified with meteors burning up in the Earth's atmosphere, this would locate the eavesdropping devils (or jinn) in the upper atmosphere too, which leaves no way for the (extremely distant) stars to serve as guards in this process as outlined in the verses. | ||
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5. Stars have so many other functions, why include one's that reinforce ancient incorrect beliefs? (Add ornaments for the sky)? | 5. Stars have so many other functions, why include one's that reinforce ancient incorrect beliefs? (Add ornaments for the sky)? | ||
6. If meant something else, could have used another of the many generic words for objects/things | |||
This has involved twisting the text into something that isn't there. | This has involved twisting the text into something that isn't there. | ||
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On a separate note, though stars are described as an ornament or beauty for the sky in [https://quranx.com/37.6 Quran 37:6], and [https://quranx.com/67.5 Quran 67:5], there are an estimated minimum c.100 septillion stars in the known universe, but only a few thousand are actually visible to the naked eye. | On a separate note, though stars are described as an ornament or beauty for the sky in [https://quranx.com/37.6 Quran 37:6], and [https://quranx.com/67.5 Quran 67:5], there are an estimated minimum c.100 septillion stars in the known universe, but only a few thousand are actually visible to the naked eye. | ||
There is also nothing said of their function of holding planetary systems together,<ref>https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/how-do-stars-form-and-evolve/</ref> which could have easily been done by differentiation fixed stars from moving stars, and shown geuinie scientific foreknowledge. | |||
== Further science and the argument of meteors == | == Further science and the argument of meteors == | ||