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→‎Allah knows children will become disbelievers: Have removed Abu Lahab section and re-written hadith sentence as mentioned in the notes - please let me know if you want me to delete it altogether.
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(→‎Allah knows children will become disbelievers: Found a hadith putting this rather poor moral lesson into action in war on only allowing children to be killed if they are also know or believed to become unbelievers.)
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18:79 As for the ship, it belonged to poor people working at sea. So I intended to cause defect in it as there was after them a king who seized every [good] ship by force.
18:79 As for the ship, it belonged to poor people working at sea. So I intended to cause defect in it as there was after them a king who seized every [good] ship by force.
<b> 18:80 And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief.  
<b> 18:80 And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief.  
18:81 So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy. </b>}}Interestingly this story is quoted in a hadith relating to war saying you should only kill children who you can know who, or distinguish who will become non-believers.
18:81 So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy. </b>}}Interestingly this story is quoted in a hadith relating to war.
{{Quote|{{Muslim|19|4457}}|This tradition has been narrated by the game authority (Yazid b. Hurmus) through a different chain of transmitters with the following difference in the elucidation of one of the points raised by Najda in his letter to Ibn Abas:
{{Quote|{{Muslim|19|4457}}|This tradition has been narrated by the game authority (Yazid b. Hurmus) through a different chain of transmitters with the following difference in the elucidation of one of the points raised by Najda in his letter to Ibn Abas:


The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside.}}
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used not to kill the children, so thou shouldst not kill them unless you could know what Khadir had known about the child he killed, or you could distinguish between a child who would grow up to he a believer (and a child who would grow up to be a non-believer), so that you killed the (prospective) non-believer and left the (prospective) believer aside.}}
=== Abu Lahab and his wife were destined for hell ===
In this surah Allah knows Abu Lahab (allegedly a strong opponent of Muhammad) and his wife,<ref>[https://quranx.com/tafsirs/111.5 ''Tafsir Ibn Kathir on surah 111.''] Ibn Kathir d.1373</ref> will go to hell before they have died, making their actions beyond that point meaningless.
{{Quote|{{Quran|111|1-5}}|“Perished be the hands of Abu Lahab and ruined he be,
Neither his wealth nor what he has earned shall avail him.
He shall shortly roast in a flaming fire.
And his wife — laden with faggots, Shall have a rope of palm fiber round her neck.}}
This is also hard to square with the common notion that the Quran is eternal, as for this to make sense there would have always have had to have been an enemy of the prophet born at the same time with the same name, who's wife would also be an enemy, which makes one wonder how he could have been tested on Earth - though this would fit the Islamic concept of predestination/Qadar.<ref>''[https://islamqa.info/en/answers/34732/what-is-qadar-in-islam What Is Qadar in Islam?]'' Risalat Sharh Usul al-Iman by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymin. 2010. IslamQA.</ref> 
{{Quote|{{Quran|85|21-22}}|This is indeed the glorious Qur'an. in a preserved tablet}}


=== Allah knows people and jinn will disbelieve and go to hell ===
=== Allah knows people and jinn will disbelieve and go to hell ===
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