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::Examples of problematic statements are ''"Muhammad liked to play with children and '''he must have been a good stepfather to Hala and Hind, for they remained unswervingly loyal to him.'''"'' - (article on Khadija near [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Muhammad_and_his_Wives#Khadija_and_Muhammad ref 25], bold emphasis mine). The bolded statement is original research. The kids may have been loyal to him out of fear or cultural reasons. It doesn't necessarily mean he was a good stepfather. There are other statements and more may exist because we haven't looked at all the material, but these kinds of assumptions are not right for our site. We focus on simply "quoting" sources and not [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/editorialize editorializing] content. Still I believe an effort can be made to save this work and I hope you come back and talk to us about it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 20:57, 23 November 2012 (PST) | ::Examples of problematic statements are ''"Muhammad liked to play with children and '''he must have been a good stepfather to Hala and Hind, for they remained unswervingly loyal to him.'''"'' - (article on Khadija near [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Muhammad_and_his_Wives#Khadija_and_Muhammad ref 25], bold emphasis mine). The bolded statement is original research. The kids may have been loyal to him out of fear or cultural reasons. It doesn't necessarily mean he was a good stepfather. There are other statements and more may exist because we haven't looked at all the material, but these kinds of assumptions are not right for our site. We focus on simply "quoting" sources and not [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/editorialize editorializing] content. Still I believe an effort can be made to save this work and I hope you come back and talk to us about it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 20:57, 23 November 2012 (PST) | ||
:::Hi Axius, sorry I haven't been in touch. I am currently travelling with limited internet access and no access at all to my books (I was using hard-copy English translations of Tabari and Ibn Saad). For this reason it will be difficult for me to do much before January. | :::Hi Axius, sorry I haven't been in touch. I am currently travelling with limited internet access and no access at all to my books (I was using hard-copy English translations of Tabari and Ibn Saad). For this reason it will be difficult for me to do much before January. | ||
:::I do intend to respond to everything you have written but I would rather not do it on the fly. Some friends who are native speakers of Arabic (non-Muslims now living in a safe country) have offered to help me and I would like their opinion on some of the English translations I have been using. | :::I do intend to respond to everything you have written but I would rather not do it on the fly. Some friends who are native speakers of Arabic (non-Muslims now living in a safe country) have offered to help me and I would like their opinion on some of the English translations I have been using. To give quick answers to some of your questions... | ||
:::I used Poonawalla's translations of Tabari. I have volumes 6, 7, 8, 9 and 39. | |||
:::I used Bewley's translation of the eighth volume of Ibn Saad, which I'm well aware is a dodgy interpretation of the original, but no other English translation is readily available. | |||
:::I used an electronic copy of Guillaume/Ibn Ishaq, converted to a word document, because a format that allows the use of CTRL F is the easiest way to track the careers of the minor characters, which throws a great deal of light on facts that can otherwise be overlooked. E.g., the career of Muhammad's divorced wife, Fatima bint Al-Dahhak, suddenly became clear when I searched for her father, whose later adventures are also mentioned in the hadiths. The use of this format is the reason for the page-numbering I cited. | |||
:::I used this site http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith.php for Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud and Muwatta because, once again, a search function is the best way to ensure that significant minor information is not overlooked. | |||
:::I will be logging in again but probably not before January. | |||