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| ===[[What Arab Civilization?]]===
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| :The intent of this article seems to be to claim about how Arab/Islamic culture is barbaric and inferior to that of the Assyrians and other non-Muslim civilizations that were prevailent at the time of the Islamic Conquests, and that the Arabs just 'stole' their accomplishments, not to criticise Islam, and is thus irrelevant to this site's mission. In addition, saying that a civilisation's achievements do not count because they were based upon a preceding civilizations seems to be rather poor historiography, which goes against the site's goal of being as scholarly as possible. Finally, the author uses highly sensational language ("Arab/Islamic civilization is not a progressive force, it is a regressive force; it does not give impetus, it retards"..."If the "foreign" culture cannot be destroyed, then it is expropriated, and revisionist historians claim that it is and was Arab, as is the case of most of the Arab "accomplishments" you cited in your speech") to get his point across, which violates this site's policy of avoiding "sensationalist and extremist expressions". Since this article largely consists of a letter written by a third party that is not affiliated with this site, I beleive this should be taken down. [[Special:Contributions/99.225.71.144|99.225.71.144]] 17:54, 8 January 2013 (PST)
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| ::The "about us" page states that the site is "notable for dealing extensively with false propaganda and Islamic pseudoscience," so I don't agree with your assertion that it's irrelevant to this site's mission. In fact the site has an [[:Category:Islamic Propaganda|entire category]] dealing with the stuff. I also don't see where he ever claims that a civilisation's achievements do not count because they were based upon a preceding civilizations. And it doesn't violate this site's policies, because the site's policies obviously apply to the site's editors. It doesn't apply to a document or transcription we quote. For example, there are also pages quoting terrorist transcripts and poems (see [[Terrorist Phone Transcripts (2008 Mumbai attacks)]] & [[Letters (Mohammed Bouyeri)]]). These obviously contain opinions we do not agree with, but we cannot rewrite or alter them. And to apply our guidelines to editors on them (thus having to delete them) would be ridiculous. --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 01:58, 9 January 2013 (PST)
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| :: The problem is that this article deals with the Islamic propaganda claims in a very historically inaccurate manner- for example, the author claims that the Islamic achievements in Mathematics were simply appropriated from the Babylonians; in fact, this is false: although it is true that the Babylonians did invent mathematics, he ignores contributions that Arabs made to mathematics, such as the work of al-Khwarizmi and Abu Kamil, who in fact primarily based their work on Greek or Indian mathematics, not Babylonian. For example, al-Kwarizmi created one of the first detailed tables of trigometric functions, which is something the Babylonians did not accomplish, but was actually extrapolated from the works of the Indian mathematicians. [[Special:Contributions/99.225.71.144|99.225.71.144]] 12:49, 9 January 2013 (PST)
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| :::Well, Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks and Indians had all made contributions to trigonometry prior to Muslims and Westerners. His letter is a very brief reply to a very brief segment of a speech. I've just reread it, and he only spends a single sentence on discussing mathematics. He is using hyperbole which is unfair because Muslim scholars did make some valid contributions to science (even if their contributions are wildly exaggerated), but he's no less guilty than whom he is replying to (Carly Fiorina seems to be under the impression that we'd all still be cave-dwelling neanderthals if it weren't for Muslim imperialists conquering the Middle-East, North Africa and parts of Europe. It's absolutely ridiculous of her to insinuate that discoveries attributed to Muslims are solely responsible for today's computers etc., considering all discoveries are but links in a wider chain). It may or may not be perfect but there are plenty of valid points made (e.g. Assyrian's were responsible for pointed arches and many of the doctors/scholars/scientist etc., who are assumed to be Arab Muslims were in fact Assyrian Christians like Hunayn ibn-Ishaq) and it's certainly more accurate than Carly Fiorina's speech regarding a mythical Muslim paradise on earth. He provides his references (e.g. History of Babylonian Mathematics, by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_E._Neugebauer Neugebauer]) so he could probably argue his case with Fiorina if she was so inclined. As for the site, it's not WikiIslam that's making any of the claims. It's just being hosted here as a part of its online library of documents and books. --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 15:14, 9 January 2013 (PST)
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