Autochecked users, em-bypass-1, em-bypass-2
645
edits
User:Flynnjed/Sandbox: Difference between revisions
→The FGM Hadith are weak
No edit summary |
|||
| Line 106: | Line 106: | ||
{{Quote|[https://unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/De-linking%20FGM%20from%20Islam%20final%20report.pdf 'Delinking Female Genital Mutilation/Cutting from Islam'] by Ibrahim Lethome Asmani & Maryam Sheikh Abdi (2008)|'Shafi’i view it as wajib (obligatory) for both females and males'}} | {{Quote|[https://unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/De-linking%20FGM%20from%20Islam%20final%20report.pdf 'Delinking Female Genital Mutilation/Cutting from Islam'] by Ibrahim Lethome Asmani & Maryam Sheikh Abdi (2008)|'Shafi’i view it as wajib (obligatory) for both females and males'}} | ||
'Reliance of the Traveller' by by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (1302–1367) is the Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law according to Shafi'i School. {{Quote|''Reliance of the Traveler'' [''Umdat al-Salik''], Section e4.3 on Circumcision|'''Obligatory (on every male and female) is circumcision.''' (And it is the cutting-off of the skin [''qat' al-jaldah''] on the glans of the male member and, '''as for the circumcision of the female, that is the cutting-off of the clitoris')}}Nuh Ha Mim Keller's 1991 translation of Reliance of the Traveller is bowdlerised to make its content more acceptable to Western eyes and translates the word 'bazr' ( بَظْرٌ ) as 'clitorial prepuce' instead of simply 'clitoris' (see section [[#Defining Bazr|Defining Bazr)]]. | 'Reliance of the Traveller' by by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (1302–1367) is the Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law according to Shafi'i School. {{Quote|''Reliance of the Traveler'' [''Umdat al-Salik''], Section e4.3 on Circumcision|'''Obligatory (on every male and female) is circumcision.''' (And it is the cutting-off of the skin [''qat' al-jaldah''] on the glans of the male member and, '''as for the circumcision of the female, that is the cutting-off of the clitoris')}}'''Nuh Ha Mim Keller's 1991 translation of Reliance of the Traveller is bowdlerised to make its content more acceptable to Western eyes and translates the word 'bazr' ( بَظْرٌ ) as 'clitorial prepuce' instead of simply 'clitoris' (see section [[#Defining Bazr|Defining Bazr)]].''' | ||
===Hanbali Madhab=== | ===Hanbali Madhab=== | ||
| Line 513: | Line 513: | ||
A seventh hadith ('[[User:Flynnjed/Sandbox#One Who Circumcises Other Ladies|One who circumcises other ladies]]') is also compiled by Bukhari. It is not of interest doctrinally, but contains useful historical, sociological and linguistic information (see '[[User:Flynnjed/Sandbox#Islamic sources|FGM before Islam: Islamic sources]]'). | A seventh hadith ('[[User:Flynnjed/Sandbox#One Who Circumcises Other Ladies|One who circumcises other ladies]]') is also compiled by Bukhari. It is not of interest doctrinally, but contains useful historical, sociological and linguistic information (see '[[User:Flynnjed/Sandbox#Islamic sources|FGM before Islam: Islamic sources]]'). | ||
Setting aside doctrinal questions the hadith - whether daif, hasan, or sahih - all provide solid evidence that some form of FGM was practiced by Muhammad's followers, and by Muhammad's native tribe, the Banu Qarayza. | |||
{{anchor|Qforbids}} | {{anchor|Qforbids}} | ||
====The Qur'an forbids mutilation==== | ====The Qur'an forbids mutilation==== | ||
This argument engages in the fallacy of Petitio Principi, or 'Begging the Question' (assuming in the premise of an argument that which one wishes to prove in the conclusion). Islam forbids all mutilations to the human body – ''''' | This argument engages in the fallacy of Petitio Principi, or 'Begging the Question' (assuming in the premise of an argument that which one wishes to prove in the conclusion). | ||
Islam forbids all mutilations to the human body – '''''except those that it permits'''''. Male circumcision, for example, is a mutilation that Islamic law permits, and therefore it is not forbidden. Likewise [[Amputation in Islamic Law|the amputation of hand and feet]]. Beheading, [[stoning]], and [[crucifixion]] - which all involve mutilation prior to the victim's death - are all also permitted in Islamic law. | |||
{{anchor|wivesnd}} | {{anchor|wivesnd}} | ||
| Line 524: | Line 526: | ||
====There is no record of Muhammad having his wives or daughters circumcised==== | ====There is no record of Muhammad having his wives or daughters circumcised==== | ||
There is no record of many things which are justified or required by Islamic law. For example there is no record of Muhammad undergoing circumcision himself, or having his sons circumcised. | |||
Indeed, Muhammad would not have needed to command or require the circumcision of his wives, since females in Mohammed’s circle would have been circumcised in childhood. In the [[User:Flynnjed/Sandbox#Someone to Amuse Them|hadith narrated by Umm ‘Alqama]] the persons being cut are clearly children. The hadith '[[User:Flynnjed/Sandbox#Do not cut .22severely.22|do not cut severely]]' and '[[User:Flynnjed/Sandbox#One Who Circumcises Other Ladies|One who circumcises other ladies]]' suggest that the actual procedure was performed by women, not men. FGM is also generally a practice arranged by female relatives and in Islamic cultures is a taboo secretive affair from which male family members are excluded. In (for example) Oman, which is reported to have an 95.5% FGM-rate<ref>[https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326191394_Female_Genital_Mutilation_in_the_Middle_East_Placing_Oman_on_the_Map Female Genital Mutilation in the Middle East: Placing Oman on the Map, June 2018, Hoda Thabet & Azza Al-Kharousi]</ref> it is possible for an educated young man to not only be unaware that FGM exists in his country, but also to be unaware that his own mother and sisters have undergone the procedure. | |||
{{anchor|couldnot}} | {{anchor|couldnot}} | ||