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 When you put a "<nowiki><BR>. . .<BR></nowiki>" in between text, it indicates the preceding text is from a different paragraph. But you seem to include it in random places. You also seem to break off quotes with a  "..." for no apparent reason eg. [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Statistics_-_Health_and_Disability&curid=12589&diff=101838&oldid=101079&rcid=112240#HIV.2FAIDS here] you could have simply added the remaining text [(Butler, 2003)]. This leaves quotes looking butchered. Nobody will trust quotes that look like that. Please sort this out. Also please archive each reference here: http://www.webcitation.org/archive .  [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 16:57, 25 December 2013 (PST)
+:I am not familiar with that service, can you insert them? Also what is the guidelines behind it? The core articles don't have them.--[[User:Lemming|Lemming]] ([[User talk:Lemming|talk]]) 05:42, 28 December 2013 (PST)
+::1. No. You are a regular editor so you cannot seriously expect other editors to clean up after your edits indefinitely. Using WebCite is simple. Click on the link I provided. Paste the URL to archive in the first box and your email address in the second box. Then click "submit". After a few moments, you will be given the archived link. The service does not keep you email address, but if you would like, you could always put in a false email address.
+::2. Guidelines are simple; every reference should be archived.
+::3. The core articles were written before we started to archive references. Plus, references on core articles are not really needed because they are simply summaries of other articles. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 10:54, 28 December 2013 (PST)
+:::This feels like military camp compared to other wikis that let you put content of ''any'' quality up.--[[User:Lemming|Lemming]] ([[User talk:Lemming|talk]]) 11:32, 31 December 2013 (PST)
+::::Yeah, I'm sure it does. But your own words validate our approach. Wikis that let users' insert "content of ''any'' quality" will ultimately lower the overall standard and reliability of their site. We are one of the few sites about Islam, if not the only one, which is taken seriously by people other than "anti-jihadists". That would not be the case if we were to give everyone a free run. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 11:46, 31 December 2013 (PST)
+:::::This is getting tiring. You're still not doing it right. Look at [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Statistics_-_Education_and_Employment&diff=prev&oldid=101982 your edits] vs [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Statistics_-_Education_and_Employment&diff=101988&oldid=101982 my corrections]. When you put a "<nowiki><BR>. . .<BR></nowiki>" in between text, it indicates the preceding text is from a different paragraph. I.e. people who read it will know there was some sentences in between that were not quoted for relevancy or brevity. You did not do that. You simply put in one "<nowiki><BR></nowiki>". This is something that reader would not be able to see without pressing "edit" and viewing the formatting. To them, it would appear that there was nothing missed out. You did a similar thing lower down; where there should have been a "..." you placed a "<nowiki><BR></nowiki>". Then there is the fact that you cut a sentence in the middle (i.e. "pupils of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin performing poorly in comparison to other minority groups ''while at the same time doing better than their socio-economic position would suggest''"). You only cut off sentences like that if what is cut is not relevant. This could be interpreted as quote-mining/misrepresenting sources or whatever. Do ''not'' do it. If you cannot quote a source without butchering it, what does that tell you? Just do not quote it. You keep on focusing on certain things and I think it's also hurting the pages in a way. We're ending up with a long confusing wall of text that no one will want to read or will understand. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 12:31, 31 December 2013 (PST)
+::::::Another option is to dump the text or links on a Sandbox (or talk) page for later retrieval and processing but the best alternative is to work on the text as its put in. We attempt to be a high quality resource and [[What People Say About WikiIslam|people like us]] for that reason and that does mean that any new text should be added after being checked carefully. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 13:31, 31 December 2013 (PST)
+:::::::Again, you are [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Statistics_-_Health_and_Disability&diff=102013&oldid=101897 misquoting] sources. Our [http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Policies_and_Guidelines#Acceptable_Contributions policies and guidelines] say:<BR> <BR>''"In order to be a regular editor you must understand what the site is all about and the approach that is taken for criticism of Islam. Existing editors on the site will make every effort to initially guide you, but they do not have time to continually make corrections to your edits so if you are not able to take instructions and contribute to the site in an independent self-monitored way, it is best for you to not edit."''<BR><BR> So from now on, please ''do not'' make any more additions to our statistics pages. They will be reverted immediately. Thank you. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 11:39, 1 January 2014 (PST)
+"be written in a professional scholarly manner" - I'm not a scholar in any religious field. Surprised you don't want any more stats, I submitted some very telling statistics.--[[User:Lemming|Lemming]] ([[User talk:Lemming|talk]]) 02:48, 4 January 2014 (PST)
+:You do not have to be a scholar to write in a scholarly manner. The fact that you would quote a random line from our guidelines and suggest otherwise tells me that your are just trying to be irritating. Plus, as I'm sure you are well aware, your style of writing was not an issue. Nor is us not wanting any more statistics. You can obviously read English. So please do not embarrass yourself by feigning ignorance or wasting any more of my time. Thank you. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 03:06, 4 January 2014 (PST)
+::[http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_Genuine_Islamic_Inventions_Innovations_Records_and_Firsts&diff=102121&oldid=102118 That] is the last straw. Bye. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 03:41, 4 January 2014 (PST)
+:I've unblocked Lemming (in accordance with our [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Blocking_Policy blocking policy] which forbids blocking without consultation for existing users who have positively contributed to the wiki) and if he returns I'll watch his edits. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 11:25, 27 April 2014 (PDT)