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:This is not a demonstrable error. Fee simply means in and feeinna means in that. In the constellations verse (25.61), it indicates that the stars are also said to be in (fee) the heavens and the sun and moon in it (feeha). Muslims will generally assume that the stars, sun and moon are in the nearest one, where other verses specify that the stars are. They believe the entirety of the visible universe is in this nearest heaven, and the other heavens are in some physical or metaphysical sense beyond it. No verse can disprove this. The only heaven ever explained is the lowest heaven.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 02:07, 24 May 2014 (PDT) | :This is not a demonstrable error. Fee simply means in and feeinna means in that. In the constellations verse (25.61), it indicates that the stars are also said to be in (fee) the heavens and the sun and moon in it (feeha). Muslims will generally assume that the stars, sun and moon are in the nearest one, where other verses specify that the stars are. They believe the entirety of the visible universe is in this nearest heaven, and the other heavens are in some physical or metaphysical sense beyond it. No verse can disprove this. The only heaven ever explained is the lowest heaven.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 02:07, 24 May 2014 (PDT) | ||
::Sorry, it can be disproven. 54:11 "Then opened We the gates of heaven with pouring water".[http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/054-qmt.php](the word is sama) Does this rainwater come from the universe? seven heaven = seven layers of atmosphere is wrong (because of the stars verse) and seven heavens = seven universes that we are yet to explore is wrong also beacause of this rain verse. The winged horse that goes to all seven heavens is another example of how awfully wrong things are. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 04:03, 24 May 2014 (PDT) | ::Sorry, it can be disproven. 54:11 "Then opened We the gates of heaven with pouring water".[http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/054-qmt.php](the word is sama) Does this rainwater come from the universe? seven heaven = seven layers of atmosphere is wrong (because of the stars verse) and seven heavens = seven universes that we are yet to explore is wrong also beacause of this rain verse. The winged horse that goes to all seven heavens is another example of how awfully wrong things are. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 04:03, 24 May 2014 (PDT) | ||
:::As if this is not enough, read [http://download.iranville.com/books/%DA%A9%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%A8%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C%20%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%AF%D9%84%DB%8C%D8%B3%DB%8C/Ali%20Sina%20-%20Understanding%20Muhammad.pdf here] p. 111 Last but one paragraph about stars. More proof that we are becoming appeasers.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 04:27, 24 May 2014 (PDT) | |||