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List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines

Hayat Al-Qulub Vol. 2, (pg 415) the 4th mentioned reference which you did not read, says:

"“Who are they?” she inquired. He replied, “Maryam, daughter of Imran, Kulthum, sister of Musa, Asiya wife of Firon, all of whom, with yourself, will be my wives in Paradise.”

Please see our FAQ. --Axius (talk | contribs) 18:39, 17 January 2016 (EST)

How could anyone based islamic facts on one work by a twelver shia cleric that 90% of muslims deemed heretic? Muhammad Baqir Majlisi lived from 1616–1698 AD. The year which he lived is also so far away than bukhari/muslim/ibn sa'ad/ibnu hisham/ibnu ishaq. I wanted to share this page but then people would just laugh at me because the article used a truly fringe group's work as facts. You could state there/separate shia and sunni cleric's work. On top of that, no one in the early muslims community ever made the claim that Mr. Majlisi made.

That is your claim that the certain text you want to remove belongs to a minority sect of Islam. Secondly even if the source is of a minority sect, the sources for all sects are used and accepted for criticism of Islam, because they are part of Islam. A sunni muslim will say they dont accept Shia sources and verse versa so if critics of Islam care about that, there will be no criticism in the end to talk about.

Third, about the author of the book:

He has been described as "one of the most powerful and influential Shi'a ulema of all time",

Shia are 10% of the Muslim population and an important part as I mentioned.

I bet there are other multiple sources for that information.

Lastly whether or not Muhammad said that Queen Asiya will be his wife in Islamic heaven is a very minor issue compared to the bigger issues in Islam which WikiIslam talks about. I suggest you start clicking around and browsing through the pages. You can start with the QHS series or any of the Core articles on the left.

If you want to debate about Islam there are many forums on the internet. Some are mentioned here [1] Here's just one: FFI forum. --Axius (talk | contribs) 18:14, 19 January 2016 (EST)

Thanks for the reply. My critic is purely academic. I am an ex-muslim and wikiislam is actually the best critical source i have found on islam. Still i would say adding a bracket(shia) information would probably be helpful. Also maybe could remove the sahih bukhari and muslim citation because it doesn't have anything to do with god marrying him to the girls.

I dont know if you're an ex-Muslim or not, but you removed sourced information from the page twice and that is vandalism.

Academically, all sources are all part of Islam and should be treated as such. As I said we cannot remove sourced text and we cannot start adding shia or Sunni or all the other sects of Islam to all the content.

Are you having difficult debating with people about the topic? Its easy. Tell them the same thing I told you. All sources of Islam can be used for criticism of Islam. It is valid information and cannot be rejected simply because its found in one sect of Islam.

The Quran doesnt say that all other sects of Islam are invalid, or anything like that. Does it? So what is your basis for asking to remove text from a Shite source?

Also Majlisi is a Shite source. Why did you call it Ahmadiya in your edit history? Please respond to that.

The other information/hadiths contain the other information that is mentioned in the piece of text. It all goes together.

Basically again, you are wanting to removed sourced information from the page. We have spent enough time on this issue. As I pointed out its all sourced the fact that Muhammad said Queen Asiya will be one of his wives in heaven is a minor issue in Islam, compared to other more important issues.

A valid criticism of this page is that the individual statements should have been sourced individually so its easy to cross-check. Thats something that you could have pointed out. If you agree, we can add it to the Tasks page. --Axius (talk | contribs) 06:36, 20 January 2016 (EST)