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For example, there existed no Mount Everest 250 million years ago. But then two plates tectonics collided with each other, and a small Mount Everest came into being due to that. Then it kept on gaining height with each collision of the plates tectonics. Today it is the highest mountain. It will keep on gaining even more height, but then a time will come, when it will start eroding and will disappear completely. | For example, there existed no Mount Everest 250 million years ago. But then two plates tectonics collided with each other, and a small Mount Everest came into being due to that. Then it kept on gaining height with each collision of the plates tectonics. Today it is the highest mountain. It will keep on gaining even more height, but then a time will come, when it will start eroding and will disappear completely. | ||
Moreover, there are other type of mountains too, which are formed when Lava comes out from inside the earth. When this lava cools down, it forms high and big mountains, which are known as [http://www.universetoday.com/29833/how-mountains-are-formed/ Volcanic Mountains]. | Moreover, there are other type of mountains too, which are formed when Lava comes out from inside the earth. When this lava cools down, it forms high and big mountains, which are known as [http://www.universetoday.com/29833/how-mountains-are-formed/ Volcanic Mountains]. | ||
==='''Second Mistake''': Allah had already made the mountains on the day of Sunday at time of the creation of the universe=== | ==='''Second Mistake''': Allah had already made the mountains on the day of Sunday at time of the creation of the universe=== | ||
Quran claims that Allah had already created the mountains on the 2nd day of creation. | Quran claims that Allah had already created the mountains on the 2nd day of creation. | ||
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*And older mountains erode and disappear with time, and new mountains start forming. | *And older mountains erode and disappear with time, and new mountains start forming. | ||
<br /><references /> | ==== Islam advocates: The days of creation with Allah were different than days on the Earth and are of 'unspecified' period of time ==== | ||
Islam advocates claim<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201103111946/https://www.dar-alifta.org/Foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=8031]</ref>: | |||
* The days of creation with Allah are different than the earth. | |||
* Thus those 6 days were of '''unspecified''' period of time. | |||
* Allah didn't tell the length of that period, as humans are unable to '''comprehend''' it. | |||
The Critics of Islam answer that claim of "unspecified time" is false, as the writer of the Quran described the '''specified time''' in the following verses: | |||
{{Quote|[https://quranx.com/22.47 Quran 22:47]|Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! But Allah will not fail in His Promise. '''Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of YOUR RECKONING'''.}}{{Quote|[https://quranx.com/32.5 Quran 32:5]|He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him,''' on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of YOUR RECKONING'''.}} | |||
Thus Sahaba (i.e. companions) believed in it that one day of creation was equal to 1000 years of our reckoning. | |||
Ibn Kathir writes under the commentary of this verse 22:47: | |||
{{Quote|1=[https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=1&tTafsirNo=7&tSoraNo=22&tAyahNo=47&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=1 Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Verse Quran 22:47]|2=قال ابن أبي حاتم حدثنا الحسن بن عرفة، حدثني عبدة بن سليمان عن محمد بن عمرو عن أبي سلمة عن أبي هريرة أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال " يدخل فقراء المسلمين الجنة قبل الأغنياء بنصف يوم خمسمائة عام " ورواه الترمذي والنسائي من حديث الثوري عن محمد بن عمرو به، وقال الترمذي حسن صحيح. وقد رواه ابن جرير عن أبي هريرة موقوفاً، فقال حدثني يعقوب، حدثنا ابن علية، حدثنا سعيد الجريري عن أبي نضرة عن سمير بن نهار قال قال أبو هريرة يدخل فقراء المسلمين الجنة قبل الأغنياء بمقدار نصف يوم، قلت وما مقدار نصف يوم؟ قال أو ما تقرأ القرآن؟ قلت بلى، قال { وَإِنَّ يَوْماً عِندَ رَبِّكَ كَأَلْفِ سَنَةٍ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ }. وقال أبو داود في آخر كتاب الملاحم من سننه حدثنا عمرو بن عثمان، حدثنا أبو المغيرة، حدثنا صفوان عن شريح بن عبيد عن سعد بن أبي وقاص عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه قال " إني لأرجو أن لا تعجز أمتي عند ربها أن يؤخرهم نصف يوم " قيل لسعد وما نصف يوم؟ قال خمسمائة سنة. وقال ابن أبي حاتم حدثنا أحمد بن سنان، حدثنا عبد الرحمن بن مهدي عن إسرائيل عن سماك، عن عكرمة عن ابن عباس { وَإِنَّ يَوْماً عِندَ رَبِّكَ كَأَلْفِ سَنَةٍ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ } قال من الأيام التي خلق الله فيها السموات والأرض. ورواه ابن جرير عن ابن بشار عن ابن المهدي، وبه قال مجاهد وعكرمة، ونص عليه أحمد بن حنبل في كتاب الرد على الجهمية، وقال مجاهد هذه الآية كقوله{ يُدَبِّرُ ٱلاَْمْرَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ إِلَى ٱلاَْرْضِ ثُمَّ يَعْرُجُ إِلَيْهِ فِى يَوْمٍ كَانَ مِقْدَارُهُ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ } السجدة 5. | |||
Rasool Allah told that the poor people will enter in the paradise half a day before the rich people, '''means 500 years before the rich people (while whole day is equal to 1000 years of people's reckoning)'''. al-Tirmidhi and al-Nisai etc recorded it and al-Tirmidhi said that this tradition is 'Hasan Sahih' (i.e. authentic according to al-Tirmidhi). In another tradition, it was asked from Abu Hurayrah, '''how long is this half day'''? He replied: "Didn't you read Quran?" I said: "Yes." '''Upon that he recited me verse 22:47''' ... Companion S'ad was asked: "'''How long is this half day'''." He replied: "'''500 years'''". Ibn Abbas recited this verse and said that '''this is the length of those 6 days, in which Allah created the heavens and the earth''' (Ibn Jarir). While Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal described it in more clear words in his book "Refutation of al-Jahmia". Mujjahid said that this verse is similar to verse 5 of Surah al-Sajdah [(Quran 32:5) He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up to Him, '''on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning.''']}} | |||
But modern science told us that creation of universe took billions of years. Therefore, even if we consider 1 day of Allah is equal to 1000 years of our reckoning, still 6 days make only 6000 years of creation, which stays contradictory the modern science.<br /><references /> | |||
Revision as of 20:34, 18 October 2021
Modern Islamic Scholars claim that modern science has proved that roots of mountains go inside the earth like pegs, therefore it is a miracle of Quran to tell it correctly 1400 years ago.
While the critics not only deny it to be a miracle of Quran, but also claim that Quran made two scientific mistakes about the mountains.
Advocate's claim: Quran rightly told 1400 years ago that mountains works as pegs/anchors in order to stabilize the otherwise shaking earth
They quote the following verses as a proof.
And We made on the Earth stabilisers (i.e. Mountains), so that it would not tumble with you.
Please also see the verses 15:19, 16:15, and 31:10
The idea of Mountains being Pegs had already existed among the Arabs before Muhammad
The idea of mountains being pegs even existed among the Arabs before Muhammad. For example, Ka’ab was one of the ancestor of Muhammad. This Ka’ab also declared mountains to be pegs long before Muhammad.
Ka'ab Bin Lowy was a man of great honour among his ancestors and progeny. He was the first person who gave the name of Friday to the day of Friday. Arabs used to call him 'Aroba. He gathered them and advised them to hear, learn and understand, and to know that night is deserted and silent, while day is full of sunlight, and earth is a cradle while sky is a support, and mountains are pegs, and stars are signs, ...
Similarly, other civilizations also had the concept of mountains having roots. For example, we find this concept in bible too.
Thus, the critics point out that it could not be a miracle of Quran, but it recorded only an old concept.
There are 2 Scientific mistakes in Quran regarding the creation of mountains
Moreover, the critics claim that the writer of Quran made two scientific mistakes regarding the creation of mountains.
First Mistake: Allah 'placed جعل' the Mountains 'from above من فوقها' into the earth according to the Quran
According to the modern science, mountains are formed when two plates tectonic collide with each other, and thus the mountains rise from within the earth.
But the Quranic verse 41:10 claimed that Allah 'placed' the mountains 'from above' into the earth.
وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَٰسِىَ مِن فَوْقِهَا
And He placed (Arabic: جعل) in it stabilisers (i.e. mountains) from above (Arabic: من فوقها).(Quran Word by Word Translation by Quran Corpus)
And He placed therein firmly-set mountains from above it. (Word for Word Dr. Shehnaz Shaikh)
And He made in it mountains above its surface. (Shakir)
And He made on it firm mountains from above it. (Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar)
He has placed in it (the earth) firm mountains from above it. (Abdul Hye)
And He placed therein firm mountains from above it. (Dr. Kamal Omar)
And He made therein anchorages (i.e., mountains) from above it. (Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali):
And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface. (Sahih International)
And He placed in it stabilizers from above it. (The Monotheist Group)
And He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it. (Muhammad Ahmed - Samira)
And in it He placed mountains as anchors from above it. (Faridul Haque)
He placed therein (i.e. the earth) firm mountains from above it. (Mohsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali)
Similarly, verse 16:15 is also telling the same thing that Allah CASTE the mountains into the earth.
(Sahih International) And He has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it shift with you,
The word 'he has cast' is alqa (lam-qaf-ya), which in this form (Arabic verb form IV) is frequently used elsewhere in the Quran to mean throw or cast. It is the same word as is used in Quran 3:44 when lots are cast using pens (it would be easy to imagine that mountains were similarly scattered), and Quran 12:10 when the prophet Yusuf is cast down into the well, and in Quran 20:20 when Moses casts down his staff, which becomes a snake.
According to the modern science, mountains are not 'placed'/'cast' over earth's surface, but they are formed when two plates tectonics collide with each other (i.e. when earthquake takes place), then crust of one plate goes upwards and forms a mountain, while the crust of other plate goes downwards.
And then this process of colliding of plates tectonics (i.e. earthquakes) continues for millions of years, and with each collision mountains keep on rising high little by little. And when the plates tectonics start to move away from each other, then these high mountains start to erode and after millions of years, they completely disappear.
For example, there existed no Mount Everest 250 million years ago. But then two plates tectonics collided with each other, and a small Mount Everest came into being due to that. Then it kept on gaining height with each collision of the plates tectonics. Today it is the highest mountain. It will keep on gaining even more height, but then a time will come, when it will start eroding and will disappear completely.
Moreover, there are other type of mountains too, which are formed when Lava comes out from inside the earth. When this lava cools down, it forms high and big mountains, which are known as Volcanic Mountains.
Second Mistake: Allah had already made the mountains on the day of Sunday at time of the creation of the universe
Quran claims that Allah had already created the mountains on the 2nd day of creation.
And Hadith made it more clear that 2nd day of creation was Sunday, when the mountains were created by Allah.
But according to the modern science[1][2]:
- Mountains had not already been created on the 2nd day of creation of the heavens (universe) and the earth.
- But earth came into being 9 billion years after the heavens (universe).
- And the earth initially consisted of gases and molten surface only. It took billions of more years to come into solid form.
- And even after earth had already come into solid state, still it took billions of years more in the formation of plates tectonics and then mountains.
- And older mountains erode and disappear with time, and new mountains start forming.
Islam advocates: The days of creation with Allah were different than days on the Earth and are of 'unspecified' period of time
Islam advocates claim[3]:
- The days of creation with Allah are different than the earth.
- Thus those 6 days were of unspecified period of time.
- Allah didn't tell the length of that period, as humans are unable to comprehend it.
The Critics of Islam answer that claim of "unspecified time" is false, as the writer of the Quran described the specified time in the following verses:
Thus Sahaba (i.e. companions) believed in it that one day of creation was equal to 1000 years of our reckoning.
Ibn Kathir writes under the commentary of this verse 22:47:
But modern science told us that creation of universe took billions of years. Therefore, even if we consider 1 day of Allah is equal to 1000 years of our reckoning, still 6 days make only 6000 years of creation, which stays contradictory the modern science.