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 {{Quote|{{Quran|2|285}}|The Apostle and the faithful have faith in what has been sent down to him from his Lord. Each [of them] has faith in Allah, His angels, His scriptures and His apostles. [They declare,] ‘We make no distinction between any of His apostles.’ And they say, ‘We hear and obey. Our Lord, forgive us, and toward You is the return.’}}
+{{Quote|{{Quran|17|77}}|“This was the sunnah [customary way] of Our messengers whom We sent before you, and you will find no change in Our sunnah”}}cf: cf. Q6:112; Q35:43). {{Quran|6|112}} {{Quran|35|43}}
 While the large differences between the New Testament / Gospels / Christian Jesus and the [[Isa al-Masih (Jesus Christ)|Muslim Jesus]] are clear to anyone who has read both the Qur'an and NT, (which takes from apocrypha considered inauthentic by NT scholars,<ref>Sanders, E.. ''The Historical Figure of Jesus (pp. 78-79)''. Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.
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 ==== Examples ====
-<s>- m but clearly differences to anyone familiar (usually put down to biblical corruption?) as new and late antique ideas take over,</s> however even if one accepts biblical corruption idea, looking at the most likely saying from a historical critical view, notes many that are likely truly said by the real historical figure (biblical scholar 0 n skin in the game with Islam) For example - list them out here
+<s>- m but clearly differences to anyone familiar (usually put down to biblical corruption?) as new and late antique ideas take over,</s> however even if one accepts biblical corruption idea, looking at the most likely saying from a historical critical view, notes many that are likely truly said by the real historical figure (biblical scholar 0 skin in the game with Islam) For example - list them out here
-Why - different to time and context, across all early sources etc.
+Why - different to time and context, unlikely to be fabricated later by Christians, across all early sources etc.
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 • Jesus commanded money to be lent without interest: Matt. 5:42; Gospel of Thomas 95.
-• Jesus called some to a life without marriage: Matt. 19:11-12.<b> [Qur'an criticism of monasticsm]</b>
+• Jesus called some to a life without marriage: Matt. 19:11-12.<b> [Qur'an criticism of monasticism]</b>
 • Jesus asked a prospective follower not to say farewell to his parents: Luke 9:61-62. <b>[respect parents?]</b>
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-Dale/Allison (2009) notes that Jesus' banning divorce was an important teaching that <s>stood out</s> to early Christians, in contrast to Judaism ([https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2024%3A1-4&version=NIV Deuteronomy 24:1-4]) and Islam e.g. Quran 2:228-232, Q65:1-7, (Q4:19 https://quranx.com/hadiths/4.19 & Q4:35), Q33:49 )
+Dale/Allison (2009) notes that Jesus' banning divorce was an important teaching that <s>stood out</s> to early Christians, [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2016%3A18&version=NIV Luke 16:18], [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%207%3A10-16&version=NIV 1 Corinthians 7:10-16], [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2010%3A2-9&version=NIV Mark 10:2-9],  in contrast to Judaism ([https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2024%3A1-4&version=NIV Deuteronomy 24:1-4]) and Islam e.g. Quran 2:228-232, Q65:1-7, (Q4:19 https://quranx.com/hadiths/4.19 & Q4:35), Q33:49 )
 He notes that Jesus commanded loving and doing good to enemies in [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A38-48&version=NIV Matt. 5:38-48]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%206%3A27-36&version=NIV Luke 6:27-36], while the Qur'an generally advises treating other Muslims well, it specifically states not to be merciful to unbelievers Q48:29.  [ For more examples of not being merciful to unbelievers, let alone 'enemies' see:  '''[[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Non-Muslims|https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Non-Muslims]] & [[Kafir (Infidel)#Guidelines%20on%20how%20to%20deal%20with%20disbelievers|https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Kafir_(Infidel)#Guidelines_on_how_to_deal_with_disbelievers]] Quran 48:29 ]'''
+• Jesus called some to a life without marriage: Matt. 19:11-12. [Qur'an criticism of monasticism - Gabriel Said Reynolds 2025 Christianity in Arabia - as an innovation]