User talk:Lemming: Difference between revisions

Citing references

Hi Lemming. Thanks for your contributions. However, I've reverted this edit to the terrorism stats page temporarily. When citing references, you need to link directly to whatever it is you are citing and, if needed, cite the exact page number or chapter (this would also apply to some of your previous additions, but those are fine for now). The page you linked to, branches off into several more pages. I had a quick read through the main "Terrorism arrests - analysis of charging and sentencing outcomes by religion" and could not find the quote there. Any how, the same quote and more additional information is given in this news article, so I'm going to replace it with that. --Sahabah (talk) 00:23, 26 September 2013 (PDT)

Factual errors, clean up and need for clarity

Hi again. I've reverted this edit for now. A few points that need to be mentioned:

1. One of the statements in your edit is factually incorrect. I checked the source and 7 out of 8 most corrupt countries are not majority Muslim (both Myanmar and N.Korea are within the bottom 8).

2. How you present your sources are not always clear and easy for readers to verify. For example, your first source is an interactive map, not a written list. If a list is not available, then a footnote should be added naming the 6 least peaceful countries.

3. Your edits also require other users to perform a lot of cleanup. Naked URL are not acceptable at all. Please use the "cite web" template in the future (it's in the bottom edit toolbar). Thank you. --Sahabah (talk) 16:49, 2 October 2013 (PDT)

Just a quick update. I've added back the factually correct part of your edit, now including a quick list of the 6 countries. I've also found a proper reference (the PDF of the report rather than an interactive map). You can look at the formatting here. Note that I added the name of the report, publisher, date of publication and the exact page where the information is located. Now it is very easy for readers and editors to verify. As I noted earlier, your second statement was incorrect. If editors like me found it hard to verify everything then errors like that would continue to creep in and the standard and usefulness of this wiki would be lowered. Normally we also archive every reference, but WebCite is down at the moment. --Sahabah (talk) 17:37, 2 October 2013 (PDT)

Hi. I will say it a bit clearer; do not add statements 'supported' by references which make it hard for us to verify. I searched and found the full article you claim says beheading is only used in Islamic countries. It says no such thing. As far as I understand, they are specifically discussing only Muslim majority nations. And again, please use the "cite web" template from now on. Thank you. --Sahabah (talk) 07:44, 6 October 2013 (PDT)

Genuine Islamic Inventions

Hi Lemming. I thought you may be interested in knowing that the List of Genuine Islamic Inventions, Innovations, Records and Firsts has now been linked from 2 of our core articles (Propaganda & Science). So it should receive much more views. --Sahabah (talk) 15:37, 21 October 2013 (PDT)

Muslim veils/crimes

hi Lemming, I made a table for that page [1] (the table is not visible for most site visitors yet and will be visible when you click Edit). Would be great if you can complete that section. If not we can put it on the to do list. I had done a few of the incidents in the beginning and the first in the UK. Thank you! --Axius (talk) 16:22, 25 October 2013 (PDT)

There is a huge amount of reports where a veil has been used in crime, so I cannot partake in such a task. The alternative table I have added, I think is a good half way point between simple text examples, and a full data set.--Lemming (talk) 06:19, 26 October 2013 (PDT)

(moved here to keep on one page so its easy to follow)

hi, we have big tables like this one Honor Killing Index so its not a problem. Having all the stuff in the table makes the data look more impressive and easy to browse. Having the ref numbers [1] or [2] in a table cell by itself is not user friendly because we have to hover, look at the ref section and then back. So keep collecting the links (in any way you like) and we'll see how to best present it in the end when you think you have enough links. Thanks for starting this page, this is a good page. --Axius (talk) 07:26, 26 October 2013 (PDT)

Ok, we could have both. It should go on a separate page such as List of crimes commited in Muslim veils.

Here are some proposed headings

--Lemming (talk) 09:17, 26 October 2013 (PDT)