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{{Quote|Ibn Hajar Asqalani, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, Op Cit., p. 135.|Ka`b Ibn Mati` al-Himyari, Abu Ishaq, known as '''Ka`b al-Ahbar, is trustworthy'''.}} | {{Quote|Ibn Hajar Asqalani, Taqrib al-Tahdhib, Op Cit., p. 135.|Ka`b Ibn Mati` al-Himyari, Abu Ishaq, known as '''Ka`b al-Ahbar, is trustworthy'''.}} | ||
So "''It's probably from al-Ahbar''" is just an unsuccessful ''ad-hominem''. | So "''It's probably from al-Ahbar''" is just an unsuccessful ''ad-hominem''. | ||
===Ibn Abbas narrated it from Jews, but didn't believe it=== | |||
There is a hadith telling Muslims to tell the stories of the people of Israel: | |||
{{Quote|{{Bukhari|4|55|667}}|Narrated `Abdullah bin `Amr: | |||
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "'''Convey (my teachings)''' to the people even if it were a single sentence, and '''tell others the stories of Bani Israel (which have been taught to you)''', for it is not sinful to do so. And whoever tells a lie on me intentionally, will surely take his place in the (Hell) Fire."}} | |||
This hadith doesn't clearly say that Muslims should take the stories from the Jews. In the phrase "of Bani Israel" (عَنْ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ), the word عن could mean both "from" and "about". And the beginning of the hadith says literally "convey from me" (بلغوا عني), so it looks more likely that it should be stories about Jews, but from Islamic sources. | |||
We can read in a commentary on this hadith in Fath ul-Bari: | |||
{{Quote|Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani, Fathul Bari, Kitab: Ahaadeeth Al 'Anbiyaa', Bab: Ma Thakr 'an Bani Israel <ref>https://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?bk_no=52&ID=2078&idfrom=6279&idto=6300&bookid=52&startno=8</ref>| | |||
وقيل المعنى حدثوا عنهم بمثل ما ورد في القرآن والحديث الصحيح | |||
And it is said that it means relating traditions about them found in the Qur'an and authentic hadith. | |||
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So the claim that Muslims should spread narrations from Jews is not supported by the hadith. | |||
The hadith is often combined by apologists with another hadith from Sahih Al-Bukhari, from the chapter '''“Do not ask the people of the Scripture about anything.”''' (The name of the chapter says it clearly, but apologists still think that the hadiths in this chapter support telling false stories from Jews): | |||
{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|92|460}}, book 96, chapter '''"Do not ask the people of the Scripture about anything"'''| | |||
Narrated Abu Huraira: | |||
The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said (to the Muslims). "Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.' " | |||
}} | |||
This hadith doesn't say that Muslims should spread the Jewish stories. The most likely interpretation is that Muslims should ignore the Jews, because some of the Jewish stories is right, some is wrong, but the only truth is from Muhammad. | |||
Telling lies from Jews is forbidden, according to Imam Shafii: | |||
{{Quote|Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani, Fathul Bari, Kitab: Ahaadeeth Al 'Anbiyaa', Bab: Ma Thakr 'an Bani Israel <ref>https://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?bk_no=52&ID=2078&idfrom=6279&idto=6300&bookid=52&startno=8</ref>| | |||
من المعلوم أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لا يجيز التحدث بالكذب ، فالمعنى حدثوا عن بني إسرائيل بما لا تعلمون كذبه ، وأما ما تجوزونه فلا حرج عليكم في التحدث به عنهم [ ص: 576 ] وهو نظير قوله : إذا حدثكم أهل الكتاب فلا تصدقوهم ولا تكذبوهم ولم يرد الإذن ولا المنع من التحدث بما يقطع بصدقه | |||
It is known that '''the Prophet (peace be upon him) did not permit speaking lies when he said "relate traditions from the children of Israel", thus it is meant that you relate traditions that you know not to be lies and whatever you find to be compliant with your beliefs''' then there is no harm narrating those traditions from them. This is in obedience to the Prophet's statement "Do not believe the people of the Scripture or disbelieve them." He did not recommend nor prohibit relating those traditions that are known to not be lies. | |||
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And finally a quote from Ibn Abbas himself, from the chapter '''“Do not ask the people of the Scripture about anything.”'''. Did he support taking interpretations of the Quran from the Jews? Let's see: | |||
{{Quote|{{Bukhari|9|92|460}}, book 96, chapter '''"Do not ask the people of the Scripture about anything"'''| | |||
Narrated Ubaidullah: | |||
'''Ibn `Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything''' while your Book (Qur'an) which has been revealed to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. '''Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything?''' No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" | |||
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===Scholars can be wrong=== | ===Scholars can be wrong=== | ||