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== | == Deceptive Translators == | ||
The following are the English translations of the selected verses. As mentioned above, makir is never used in a positive sense - it denotes a shifty, sly person who uses deception as a means to their ends. | The following are the English translations of the selected verses. As mentioned above, makir is never used in a positive sense - it denotes a shifty, sly person who uses deception as a means to their ends. | ||
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It is therefore in error for Dr. Badawi to submit this verse as evidence that words have different meanings when referring to Allah, because it is clearly talking about physical creation and not the meanings of words as they should be defined when Allah uses them to describe himself. | It is therefore in error for Dr. Badawi to submit this verse as evidence that words have different meanings when referring to Allah, because it is clearly talking about physical creation and not the meanings of words as they should be defined when Allah uses them to describe himself. | ||
Even though we see that Dr. Badawi has no legitimate basis for his claim, | Even though we see that Dr. Badawi has no legitimate basis for his claim, we shall humor him in order to ask some questions: | ||
1. How many words have different meanings when referring to Allah? We've already seen that | 1. How many words have different meanings when referring to Allah? We've already seen that you've taken a word with a negative meaning and turned it into a positive, claiming 'reverence'. Does this mean that all negatively slanted words that Allah uses about himself must be turned into a positive, even if that means completely redefining the word in question? Isn't this a case of ''Special pleading''? <ref name="special">[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading Special pleading (logical fallacy)] - Wikipedia</ref> | ||
2. Who decides what words have a different meaning when referring to Allah? | 2. Who decides what words have a different meaning when referring to Allah? Scholars like you? Don't you think this is just a way to hide and excuse the negative attributes of Allah by way of misdirecting those who are not as knowledgeable about Islam, the Qur'an and the Arabic language? | ||
3. The Qur'an tells us: {{Quote|{{Quran|16|103}}| And certainly We know that they say: Only a mortal teaches him. The tongue of him whom they reproach is barbarous, '''and this is clear Arabic tongue.''' }} | 3. The Qur'an tells us: {{Quote|{{Quran|16|103}}| And certainly We know that they say: Only a mortal teaches him. The tongue of him whom they reproach is barbarous, '''and this is clear Arabic tongue.''' }} | ||
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Since the Qur'an says it is in clear Arabic, then this implies that the meaning of its words are as we understand them, and should not be applied in a different way to Allah. If ''makir'' has a different meaning when Allah uses it to refer to himself, then Qur'an 16:103 is obviously wrong. Is the Qur'an wrong here? | Since the Qur'an says it is in clear Arabic, then this implies that the meaning of its words are as we understand them, and should not be applied in a different way to Allah. If ''makir'' has a different meaning when Allah uses it to refer to himself, then Qur'an 16:103 is obviously wrong. Is the Qur'an wrong here? | ||
4. | 4. You have claimed that makir has a different meaning when referring to Allah - that the common Arabic meaning is not correct. However the Qur'an states: {{Quote|{{Quran|3|7}}| He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding. }} | ||
The Qur'an says that some people seek to mislead by giving their own interpretation to portions. | The Qur'an says that some people seek to mislead by giving their own interpretation to portions. Are you doing this? If the "true" [when referring to Allah] meaning is unknown to most, what evidence do we have that you are being truthful in this matter? | ||
===Islam Q&A=== | ===Islam Q&A=== | ||
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And Allaah knows best.}} | And Allaah knows best.}} | ||
As with Jamal Badawi's apologetics, this is again a case of ''Special pleading'' <ref name="special"/>. This is adding meaning to the text which is not there, but comes only from a certain set of beliefs that | As with Jamal Badawi's apologetics, this is again a case of ''Special pleading'' <ref name="special"/>. This is adding meaning to the text which is not there, but comes only from a certain set of beliefs that you hold: namely: | ||
# that Allah is God | |||
# that Allah is perfect | # that Allah is perfect | ||
# that 'perfection' is synonymous with 'good' | # that 'perfection' is synonymous with 'good' | ||
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# that Allah never lies or deceives | # that Allah never lies or deceives | ||
However when we look at the verses in question, the same word is applied to the unbelievers and also Allah. So you must also accept that since Allah is perfect, the meaning of the word changes depending on who it's referring to. There is absolutely no evidence that this is the case. Nowhere does the Qur'an implicitly state or even imply that words mean different things when referring to Allah, nor are there any | However when we look at the verses in question, the same word is applied to the unbelievers and also Allah. So you must also accept that since Allah is perfect, the meaning of the word changes depending on who it's referring to. There is absolutely no evidence that this is the case. Nowhere does the Qur'an implicitly state or even imply that words mean different things when referring to Allah, nor are there any ahadith to this effect. This is a clear cut case of special pleading, invented by Muslims to excuse the fact that the exact words of their god state that he is the best deceiver. | ||
If | If one who claims to be perfect, displays an imperfect trait (deception, plotting etc..) then we know two things: | ||
# They are a liar | # They are a liar | ||
# They are imperfect | # They are imperfect | ||
Allah has told us in Qur'an that he is the best deceiver | Allah has told us in his Qur'an that he is the best deceiver - we have his own admission that he is imperfect and a liar. | ||
=== Harun Yahya === | === Harun Yahya === | ||