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Some Modern [[dawah|du'aah]] who publicly denounce the traditional sources often take issue with the interpretation of the wording of Qur'an 65:4 in these source. They see the verse as limited to women of current-day adulthood and not pre-pubescent women (again taking as a starting point modern modes of understanding "adulthood" for women.<ref>{{Cite web| title = Does verse 65:4 encourage child marriage?| author = Abu Amina Elias AKA Justin Parrott| work = Faith in Allah الإيمان بالله "Any practice that causes harm to children is unlawful in Islam."| date = | access-date = 6 January 2022| url = https://www.abuaminaelias.com/verse-65-4-child-marriage/| quote = }}</ref>. Qur'an 4:6 is often leveraged as part of this argument: | Some Modern [[dawah|du'aah]] who publicly denounce the traditional sources often take issue with the interpretation of the wording of Qur'an 65:4 in these source. They see the verse as limited to women of current-day adulthood and not pre-pubescent women (again taking as a starting point modern modes of understanding "adulthood" for women.<ref>{{Cite web| title = Does verse 65:4 encourage child marriage?| author = Abu Amina Elias AKA Justin Parrott| work = Faith in Allah الإيمان بالله "Any practice that causes harm to children is unlawful in Islam."| date = | access-date = 6 January 2022| url = https://www.abuaminaelias.com/verse-65-4-child-marriage/| quote = }}</ref>. Qur'an 4:6 is often leveraged as part of this argument: | ||
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{{right|وابتلوا اليتامى حتى اذا بلغوا النكاح فان انستم منهم رشدا فادفعوا اليهم اموالهم ولاتاكلوها اسرافا وبدارا ان يكبروا ومن كان غنيا فليستعفف ومن كان فقيرا فلياكل بالمعروف فاذا دفعتم اليهم اموالهم فاشهدوا عليهم وكفى بالله حسيبا | {{right|وابتلوا اليتامى حتى اذا بلغوا النكاح فان انستم منهم رشدا فادفعوا اليهم اموالهم ولاتاكلوها اسرافا وبدارا ان يكبروا ومن كان غنيا فليستعفف ومن كان فقيرا فلياكل بالمعروف فاذا دفعتم اليهم اموالهم فاشهدوا عليهم وكفى بالله حسيبا | ||
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===The Arabic word “Nisaa'” does not refer to young females=== | ===The Arabic word “Nisaa'” does not refer to young females=== | ||
Some defenders of the Qur'an, speaking in English, claim that the Qur'an only uses the word ''Nisaa''' to refer to mature, adult women, therefore 65:4 cannot be talking about pre-pubescent females.<ref>{{Cite web| title = Quran 65:4 – The Child Marriage Claim| author = Kaleef K. Karim| work = Discover The Truth| date = | access-date = 6 January 2022| url = https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/03/12/quran-654-the-child-marriage-claim/| quote = that the Arabic word ‘Nisa’ could also refer to ‘female children’. Let us take a look in Arabic-English dictionaries. The Arabic word ‘Nisa’ has been used 59 times in the Quran. Not once has the word ‘Nisa’ been used for a ‘child(ren)’, it has always referred to mature adult women. Dr. Rohi Baalbaki, says in Al-Mawrid: A modern Arabic-English Dictionary:}}</ref> This linguistic argument does not hold water, even just on the basis of the Qur'an itself as a text. | Some defenders of the Qur'an, speaking in English, claim that the Qur'an only uses the word ''Nisaa''' to refer to mature, adult women, therefore 65:4 cannot be talking about pre-pubescent females.<ref>{{Cite web| title = Quran 65:4 – The Child Marriage Claim| author = Kaleef K. Karim| work = Discover The Truth| date = | access-date = 6 January 2022| url = https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/03/12/quran-654-the-child-marriage-claim/| quote = that the Arabic word ‘Nisa’ could also refer to ‘female children’. Let us take a look in Arabic-English dictionaries. The Arabic word ‘Nisa’ has been used 59 times in the Quran. Not once has the word ‘Nisa’ been used for a ‘child(ren)’, it has always referred to mature adult women. Dr. Rohi Baalbaki, says in Al-Mawrid: A modern Arabic-English Dictionary:}}</ref> This linguistic argument does not hold water, even just on the basis of the Qur'an itself as a text. Here are some verses that use the word ''"nisaa'"'': | ||
{{Quote|{{Quran|2|49}}| | {{Quote|{{Quran|2|49}}|'''Transliteration:''' ''Waith najjaynakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi yuthabbihoona abnaakum wayastahyoona '''Nisa'''akum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun''<BR><BR> | ||
'''Transliteration:''' ''Waith najjaynakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi yuthabbihoona abnaakum wayastahyoona '''Nisa'''akum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun''<BR><BR> | |||
'''Yusuf Ali:''' And remember, We delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: They set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons and let your women-folk live; therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.}} | '''Yusuf Ali:''' And remember, We delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: They set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons and let your women-folk live; therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.}} | ||
{{Quote|{{Quran|7|127}}| | {{Quote|{{Quran|7|127}}|'''Transliteration:''' ''Waqala almalao min qawmi firawna atatharu moosa waqawmahu liyufsidoo fee alardi wayatharaka waalihataka qala sanuqattilu abnaahum wanastahyee '''Nisa'''ahum wainna fawqahum qahiroona'' <BR><BR> | ||
'''Transliteration:''' ''Waqala almalao min qawmi firawna atatharu moosa waqawmahu liyufsidoo fee alardi wayatharaka waalihataka qala sanuqattilu abnaahum wanastahyee '''Nisa'''ahum wainna fawqahum qahiroona'' <BR><BR> | |||
'''Yusuf Ali:''' Said the chiefs of Pharaoh’s people: “Wilt thou leave Moses and his people, to spread mischief in the land, and to abandon thee and thy gods?” He said: “Their male children will we slay; (only) their females will we save alive; and we have over them (power) irresistible."}} | '''Yusuf Ali:''' Said the chiefs of Pharaoh’s people: “Wilt thou leave Moses and his people, to spread mischief in the land, and to abandon thee and thy gods?” He said: “Their male children will we slay; (only) their females will we save alive; and we have over them (power) irresistible."}} | ||
{{Quote|{{Quran|7|141}}| | {{Quote|{{Quran|7|141}}|'''Transliteration:''' ''Waith anjaynakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi yuqattiloona abnaakum wayastahyoona '''Nisa'''akum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun''<BR><BR> | ||
'''Transliteration:''' ''Waith anjaynakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi yuqattiloona abnaakum wayastahyoona '''Nisa'''akum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun''<BR><BR> | |||
'''Yusuf Ali:''' And remember we rescued you from Pharaoh’s people, who afflicted you with the worst of penalties, who slew your male children and saved alive your females: in that was a momentous trial from your Lord.}} | '''Yusuf Ali:''' And remember we rescued you from Pharaoh’s people, who afflicted you with the worst of penalties, who slew your male children and saved alive your females: in that was a momentous trial from your Lord.}} | ||
{{Quote|{{Quran|14|6}}| | {{Quote|{{Quran|14|6}}|'''Transliteration:''' ''Waith qala moosa liqawmihi othkuroo niAAmata Allahi AAalaykum ith anjakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi wayuthabbihoona abnaakum wayastahyoona '''Nisa'''akum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun''<BR><BR> | ||
'''Transliteration:''' ''Waith qala moosa liqawmihi othkuroo niAAmata Allahi AAalaykum ith anjakum min ali firawna yasoomoonakum sooa alAAathabi wayuthabbihoona abnaakum wayastahyoona '''Nisa'''akum wafee thalikum balaon min rabbikum AAatheemun''<BR><BR> | |||
'''Yusuf Ali:''' Remember! Moses said to his people: “Call to mind the favour of Allah to you when He delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: they set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons, and let your females live: therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.}} | '''Yusuf Ali:''' Remember! Moses said to his people: “Call to mind the favour of Allah to you when He delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: they set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons, and let your females live: therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.}} | ||
{{Quote|{{Quran|40|25}}| | {{Quote|{{Quran|40|25}}|'''Transliteration:''' ''Falamma jaahum bialhaqqi min AAindina qaloo oqtuloo abnaa allatheena amanoo maAAahu waistahyoo '''Nisa'''ahum wama kaydu alkafireena illa fee dalalin''<BR><BR> | ||
'''Transliteration:''' ''Falamma jaahum bialhaqqi min AAindina qaloo oqtuloo abnaa allatheena amanoo maAAahu waistahyoo '''Nisa'''ahum wama kaydu alkafireena illa fee dalalin''<BR><BR> | |||
'''Yusuf Ali:''' Now, when he came to them in Truth, from Us, they said, "Slay the sons of those who believe with him, and keep alive their females," but the plots of Unbelievers (end) in nothing but errors (and delusions)!...}} | '''Yusuf Ali:''' Now, when he came to them in Truth, from Us, they said, "Slay the sons of those who believe with him, and keep alive their females," but the plots of Unbelievers (end) in nothing but errors (and delusions)!...}} | ||
In the above verses, the word ''" | In the above verses, the word ''"Nisa"'' is referring to female infants. To understand this clearly, we must look to the Exodus account, because these verses were plagiarized from the Bible. | ||
{{Quote|1=[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%201:15-16;&version=49; Exodus 1:15-16]|2= | {{Quote|1=[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%201:15-16;&version=49; Exodus 1:15-16]|2= | ||
''"And the king of Egypt spoke to the Hebrew midwives, of whom the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah; and he said: ‘When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, ye shall look upon the birthstool: if it be a son, then ye shall kill him; but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.’''}} | ''"And the king of Egypt spoke to the Hebrew midwives, of whom the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah; and he said: ‘When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, ye shall look upon the birthstool: if it be a son, then ye shall kill him; but if it be a daughter, then she shall live.’''}} | ||
{{Quote|1=[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%201:22;&version=49; Exodus 1:22]|2= | {{Quote|1=[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%201:22;&version=49; Exodus 1:22]|2= | ||
''And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying: ‘Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.''}} | ''And Pharaoh charged all his people, saying: ‘Every son that is born ye shall cast into the river, and every daughter ye shall save alive.''}} | ||
Moreover the Quran itself clarifies “Who the ''Nisa'' are”. | Moreover the Quran itself clarifies “Who the ''Nisa'' are”. | ||
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ويستفتونك في النساء قل الله يفتيكم فيهن ومايتلى عليكم في الكتاب في يتامى النساء اللاتي لاتؤتونهن ماكتب لهن وترغبون ان تنكحوهن والمستضعفين من الولدان وان تقوموا لليتامى بالقسط وماتفعلوا من خير فان الله كان به عليما }} | ويستفتونك في النساء قل الله يفتيكم فيهن ومايتلى عليكم في الكتاب في يتامى النساء اللاتي لاتؤتونهن ماكتب لهن وترغبون ان تنكحوهن والمستضعفين من الولدان وان تقوموا لليتامى بالقسط وماتفعلوا من خير فان الله كان به عليما }} | ||
'''Transliteration:''' ''Wayastaftoonaka fee alnnisa-i quli Allahu yufteekum feehinna wama yutla AAalaykum fee alkitabi fee yatama alnnisa-i allatee la tu/toonahunna ma kutiba lahunna watarghaboona an tankihoohunna waalmustadAAafeena mina alwildani waan taqoomoo lilyatama bialqisti wama tafAAaloo min khayrin fa-inna Allaha kana bihi AAaleeman'' | '''Transliteration:''' ''Wayastaftoonaka fee alnnisa-i quli Allahu yufteekum feehinna wama yutla AAalaykum fee alkitabi fee yatama alnnisa-i allatee la tu/toonahunna ma kutiba lahunna watarghaboona an tankihoohunna waalmustadAAafeena mina alwildani waan taqoomoo lilyatama bialqisti wama tafAAaloo min khayrin fa-inna Allaha kana bihi AAaleeman'' | ||
'''Literal:''' And they ask for your opinion/clarification | '''Literal:''' And they ask for your opinion/clarification in the women, say: "God decreed/clarifies in them (F), and what is read/recited on you in The Book in the women orphans/minors that lose their father, those who (F) you did not give them (F) what was written/dictated to them (F), and you desire that you marry them (F), and the weakened from the children/new borns, and that you take care of to the orphans/minors that lose their father with the just/equitable; and what you make/do from goodness, so that God was/is with it knowledgeable."<ref>[{{Reference archive|1=http://iknowledge.islamicnature.com/quran/surah/4/lang/englishliteral/|2=2011-11-27}} 4. An-Nisa - Women (سورة النساء) - Revealed in Madinah (English: Literal)] - IslamicNature, accessed November 27, 2011</ref>}} | ||
In summary, when Muslims asked Muhammad who the "Nisa" were, he said they were the: | |||
#Orphans | #Orphans | ||
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Given that sexual activity among teenagers is common among many cultures, including Western ones, this appears to be the most reasonable interpretation. }} | Given that sexual activity among teenagers is common among many cultures, including Western ones, this appears to be the most reasonable interpretation. }} | ||
Given the evidence from the Islamic texts themselves, this interpretation is not the 'most reasonable' as asserted. We have ample [[Aisha's Age|evidence]] that Muhammad (who is considered the [[Uswa Hasana|uswa hasana]] - perfect example) married and had sex with a pre-pubescent Aisha, we have evidence that [[Child Marriage and Muhammad's Companions|Muhammad's companions also did it]] and that [[Child Marriage in the Muslim World|Muslims to this very day]] are marrying pre-pubescent females and having intercourse with them. In none of these cases are the husbands comparable in age to the wife. So even though this is a ''possible'' interpretation, it is by no means the ''only reason'' that Muhammad revealed this verse - as evidenced also in the tafsir's provided above. Simply put, Muhammad did not specify an 'iddah for those whom menstruation was not present, so one had to be sent regarding these 3 groups of women. Nowhere in the Qur'an or the ahadith does it discuss teenagers marrying teenagers (ie. to 'explain' this verse) and all the evidence that we have points to [much] older men marrying and having sexual relations with pre-pubescent females. | |||
===65.4 talks only of the 'Iddah and not of sexual activity=== | ===65.4 talks only of the 'Iddah and not of sexual activity=== |