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Other critics protest against claims by Bucailleists such as that the body has 360 joints<ref>[http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118422 Islam's claim about the 360 joints in the human body was proven to be true! ]</ref> or that the [[Science and the Seven Earths|earth has seven layers]]:<ref>[http://www.missionislam.com/science/earthsevenlayers.html Earth’s Seven Layers]</ref>  
Other critics protest against claims by Bucailleists such as that the body has 360 joints<ref>[http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118422 Islam's claim about the 360 joints in the human body was proven to be true! ]</ref> or that the [[Science and the Seven Earths|earth has seven layers]]:<ref>[http://www.missionislam.com/science/earthsevenlayers.html Earth’s Seven Layers]</ref>  
{{Quote||"Islamic scientists tend to use each other as sources, creating an illusion that the work has been validated by research. The existence of 360 joints, in fact, is not accepted in medical communities; rather, the number varies from person to person, with an average of 307. These days most geologists divide Earth’s crust into 15 [not 7] major zones, or tectonic plates."<ref name="DiscovSciIsl">[http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/science-and-islam Science and Islam in Conflict] ''Discover magazine'', 06.21.2007</ref> }}
{{Quote||Islamic scientists tend to use each other as sources, creating an illusion that the work has been validated by research. The existence of 360 joints, in fact, is not accepted in medical communities; rather, the number varies from person to person, with an average of 307. These days most geologists divide Earth’s crust into 15 [not 7] major zones, or tectonic plates.<ref name="DiscovSciIsl">[http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/science-and-islam Science and Islam in Conflict] ''Discover magazine'', 06.21.2007</ref> }}


Theoretical physicist Parvez Hoodbhoy of Pakistan identifies:  
Theoretical physicist Parvez Hoodbhoy of Pakistan identifies:  
{{Quote||"the problem with such claims to ownership is that they lack an explanation for why quantum mechanics, molecular genetics, etc., had to await discovery elsewhere. Nor is any kind of testable prediction ever made. No reason is offered as to why antibiotics, aspirin, steam engines, electricity, aircraft, or computers were not first invented by Muslims. But even to ask such questions is considered offensive." <ref name="SubvHoodb"/> }}
{{Quote||...the problem with such claims to ownership is that they lack an explanation for why quantum mechanics, molecular genetics, etc., had to await discovery elsewhere. Nor is any kind of testable prediction ever made. No reason is offered as to why antibiotics, aspirin, steam engines, electricity, aircraft, or computers were not first invented by Muslims. But even to ask such questions is considered offensive. <ref name="SubvHoodb"/> }}


The historian, Michael Cook, suggests that proof of divine origin by prediction of scientific fact carries "a certain risk: science may move on, leaving scripture stranded with some latter-day equivalent of the long-discredited phlogiston theory of combustion. Not surprisingly, the more sophisticated [Quranic] commentators do not engage in this activity ..." <ref>Cook, Michael, ''The Koran: A Very Short Introduction,'' Oxford University Press, (2000), p.30</ref><ref>see also: Ruthven, Malise, ''A Fury For God'' London ; New York : Granta, (2002), p.126</ref>
The historian, Michael Cook, suggests that proof of divine origin by prediction of scientific fact carries "a certain risk: science may move on, leaving scripture stranded with some latter-day equivalent of the long-discredited phlogiston theory of combustion. Not surprisingly, the more sophisticated [Quranic] commentators do not engage in this activity ..." <ref>Cook, Michael, ''The Koran: A Very Short Introduction,'' Oxford University Press, (2000), p.30</ref><ref>see also: Ruthven, Malise, ''A Fury For God'' London ; New York : Granta, (2002), p.126</ref>
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Complaints about the methods of "Bucailleists" include the use of endorsements by Western non-Muslim scientists. One of the Bucailleists most widely circulated works is the book "[[A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam]]," which quotes several non-Muslim scientists in praise of the predictive power, divinity, etc. of the Qur'an. However, in a 2002 story<ref name="StrBedfel"/> in the American newspaper 'Wall Street Journal', several non-Muslim scientists spoke of questionable practices used by Bucailleists to cultivate scientists and coax statements from them, including lavish entertaining, untrue promises to be “completely neutral,” and hard sell interviews by Sheikh Abdul Majeed Zindani.
Complaints about the methods of "Bucailleists" include the use of endorsements by Western non-Muslim scientists. One of the Bucailleists most widely circulated works is the book "[[A Brief Illustrated Guide to Understanding Islam]]," which quotes several non-Muslim scientists in praise of the predictive power, divinity, etc. of the Qur'an. However, in a 2002 story<ref name="StrBedfel"/> in the American newspaper 'Wall Street Journal', several non-Muslim scientists spoke of questionable practices used by Bucailleists to cultivate scientists and coax statements from them, including lavish entertaining, untrue promises to be “completely neutral,” and hard sell interviews by Sheikh Abdul Majeed Zindani.
    
    
{{Quote||"The commission drew the scientists to its conferences with first-class plane tickets for them and their wives, rooms at the best hotels, $1,000 honoraria, and banquets with Muslim leaders — such as a palace dinner in Islamabad with Pakistani President Mohammed Zia ul-Haq shortly before he was killed in a plane crash. Ahmed also gave at least one scientist a crystal clock." <ref name="StrBedfel"/> }}
{{Quote||The commission drew the scientists to its conferences with first-class plane tickets for them and their wives, rooms at the best hotels, $1,000 honoraria, and banquets with Muslim leaders — such as a palace dinner in Islamabad with Pakistani President Mohammed Zia ul-Haq shortly before he was killed in a plane crash. Ahmed also gave at least one scientist a crystal clock.<ref name="StrBedfel"/> }}


Scientists complained of having fallen into a "trap" in interviews, or of "mutual manipulation" by the scientists and fundamentalists. Even the man who had been the Bucailleists most enthusiastic supporter, embryologist [[Dr. Keith Moore and the Islamic Additions|Keith L. Moore]] who had an edition of his textbook financed by Bucailleists and co-written with Sheikh Abdul Majeed Zindani,  declined to be interviewed and told the newspaper, “it’s been 10 or 11 years since I was involved in the Quran.” <ref name="StrBedfel"/>
Scientists complained of having fallen into a "trap" in interviews, or of "mutual manipulation" by the scientists and fundamentalists. Even the man who had been the Bucailleists most enthusiastic supporter, embryologist [[Dr. Keith Moore and the Islamic Additions|Keith L. Moore]] who had an edition of his textbook financed by Bucailleists and co-written with Sheikh Abdul Majeed Zindani,  declined to be interviewed and told the newspaper, “it’s been 10 or 11 years since I was involved in the Quran.” <ref name="StrBedfel"/>
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