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::::::Did you read that section about Bukhari's criteria? Mat'n applies to ALL contradictions between the Qur'an and hadith. | ::::::Did you read that section about Bukhari's criteria? Mat'n applies to ALL contradictions between the Qur'an and hadith. | ||
::::::'''"if Quranists want to use content on our site for any purpose"''' | ::::::'''"if Quranists want to use content on our site for any purpose"''' | ||
::::::Strawman. I never objected to them using this site. My point is that it ONLY benefits their propaganda, nothing else. If we allow something like this, why not also allow Atheistig to write an article about how unreliable the hadith are? Let's go all the way and invalidate 95% of our material just to keep 1 editor happy. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 04:34, 11 April 2014 (PDT) | ::::::Strawman. I never objected to them using this site. My point is that it ONLY benefits their propaganda, nothing else. If we allow something like this, why not also allow Atheistig to write an article about how unreliable the hadith are? <s>Let's go all the way and invalidate 95% of our material just to keep 1 editor happy.</s> [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 04:34, 11 April 2014 (PDT) | ||
:::::::''"Let's go all the way and invalidate 95% of our material just to keep 1 editor happy."'' ---- :-) this is an imaginary situation that hasn't happened yet so lets not do that. | :::::::''"Let's go all the way and invalidate 95% of our material just to keep 1 editor happy."'' ---- :-) this is an imaginary situation that hasn't happened yet so lets not do that. | ||
:::::::He knows its a Sandbox page that later may or may not be approved so whats the issue? I dont see any. | :::::::He knows its a Sandbox page that later may or may not be approved so whats the issue? I dont see any. | ||
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:::::::''"My point is that it ONLY benefits their propaganda"'' - Again they are a minority. The other side effect is letting the rest of the Muslims know that these contradictions exist. Most Muslims view hadiths as holy. I would say that they would have to deal with the contradiction when they see it and it creates a challenge for them. | :::::::''"My point is that it ONLY benefits their propaganda"'' - Again they are a minority. The other side effect is letting the rest of the Muslims know that these contradictions exist. Most Muslims view hadiths as holy. I would say that they would have to deal with the contradiction when they see it and it creates a challenge for them. | ||
::::::: My main point here again is that cases can be argued against equally. Its a Sandbox page and people have the right to work on a Sandbox which later may or may not be approved (as long its not an obvious content violation). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:13, 11 April 2014 (PDT) | ::::::: My main point here again is that cases can be argued against equally. Its a Sandbox page and people have the right to work on a Sandbox which later may or may not be approved (as long its not an obvious content violation). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:13, 11 April 2014 (PDT) | ||
::::::::You have not dealt with anything I've actually said, so no they can't be argued against equally. I've mentioned several times why I deleted that page from the sandbox but you continue acting like I never explained. If that is how you get your way in a discussion, then it's very effective. Your opinion on Bukhari's criteria is irrelevant. Mat'n is a well known thing. Hence, contradictions between the Qur'an and certain hadith will not effect mainstream Islam in the slightest. And wth, you're telling editors to stay away from me now? The discussion we're having now isn't even on my talk page, so maybe you should have considered a more appropriate time or place to mention this or considered how it would look to others? [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 05:09, 11 April 2014 (PDT) | ::::::::You have not dealt with anything I've actually said, so no they can't be argued against equally. I've mentioned several times why I deleted that page from the sandbox but you continue acting like I never explained. <s>If that is how you get your way in a discussion, then it's very effective.</s> Your opinion on Bukhari's criteria is irrelevant. Mat'n is a well known thing. Hence, contradictions between the Qur'an and certain hadith will not effect mainstream Islam in the slightest. And wth, you're telling editors to stay away from me now? The discussion we're having now isn't even on my talk page, so maybe you should have considered a more appropriate time or place to mention this or considered how it would look to others? [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 05:09, 11 April 2014 (PDT) | ||
::::::::::Although you're right my comment could have been made at a better time (so ok, I apologize again for making it at the wrong time), I never asked anyone to stay away from you when I made the [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Saggy&diff=106872&oldid=106871 comment]. You had removed some comments from your own talk page earlier if you recall [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sahab&diff=106769&oldid=106768] so I was stressing the point that others should use the forum page for general issues and not someone's talk page. | ::::::::::Although you're right my comment could have been made at a better time (so ok, I apologize again for making it at the wrong time), I never asked anyone to stay away from you when I made the [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Saggy&diff=106872&oldid=106871 comment]. You had removed some comments from your own talk page earlier if you recall [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sahab&diff=106769&oldid=106768] so I was stressing the point that others should use the forum page for general issues and not someone's talk page. | ||
::::::::::I'm asking everyone to follow talk page guidelines and core [[WikiIslam:Core_Principles|community principles]] and assume good faith. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 12:12, 13 April 2014 (PDT) | ::::::::::I'm asking everyone to follow talk page guidelines and core [[WikiIslam:Core_Principles|community principles]] and assume good faith. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 12:12, 13 April 2014 (PDT) | ||