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:::::No as I said, the Tafsir quote has nothing specific to do with Cosmology; nothing about Stars, skies, universe etc. It leaves one wondering what it has to do with cosmology. ''"Often this cosmology and creation are seen to have some things"'' - this is your interpretation. If creationism is linked we can then copy all the Creation hadiths into Cosmology which doesnt make any sense. I will wait for Sahab's input before commenting further. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 04:51, 15 August 2014 (PDT) | :::::No as I said, the Tafsir quote has nothing specific to do with Cosmology; nothing about Stars, skies, universe etc. It leaves one wondering what it has to do with cosmology. ''"Often this cosmology and creation are seen to have some things"'' - this is your interpretation. If creationism is linked we can then copy all the Creation hadiths into Cosmology which doesnt make any sense. I will wait for Sahab's input before commenting further. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 04:51, 15 August 2014 (PDT) | ||
::::::I know what he's likely to say. So I think you should add it to creation and forget the first one. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 06:34, 15 August 2014 (PDT) | ::::::I know what he's likely to say. So I think you should add it to creation and forget the first one. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 06:34, 15 August 2014 (PDT) | ||
:::::::I think the edit Saggy made to [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Animals&diff=prev&oldid=109252#Sacrifices Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Animals] is a very good addition to the page. Ritual slaughter is described in all Abrahamic texts, but there are several differences here in comparison to the other two big faiths: | |||
:::::::1. Concerning Christians, they do not perform ritual slaughters, nor did Jesus ever perform a ritual slaughter. | |||
:::::::2. Concerning Jews, yes they do perform ritual slaughter, but they do not go around telling people that Moses loved animals and that he is an excellent role-model for today's socially conscientious youth. | |||
:::::::3. On the other hand, a lot of apologists do try to convert young people to Islam by trying to sell the idea that Muhammad was a progressive man who loved animals. | |||
:::::::So, considering the above, it is very relevant in the QHS:Animals page to quote proof that Muhammad not only ordered the slaughter of animals, but also partook in it himself. | |||
:::::::I also agree with Saggy that the "kindness to animals" hadith do not fit in with that page. I certainly did not add them and I do not think they should remain. A section like that does not belong on a wiki critical of Islam. If it was added with the intention of making the wiki appear more "neutral" then I can safely say that it will ''never'' convince anyone that the wiki is neutral, but it does make the page look odd and will probably confuse people. | |||
:::::::I think the edit Saggy made to [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Cosmology&diff=109253&oldid=109212 QHS:Cosmology] does not belong in the Creation page (it is too vague for that and the Creation page is very specific), but it does fit in with cosmology in a sense because it describes Allah's "Throne" etc. In all honesty though, I would just remove that last edit by Saggy and move it to a temp page until somewhere more suited is found. I don't think it adds anything to either page because it doesn't really talk about cosmology or creation in a coherent way. | |||
:::::::About the triangular brackets; I'm guessing they are there because Saggy copy/pasted text from Answering Islam. This is a concern to me. The last time we had an editor who got carried away with copy/pasting stuff from there, things didn't turn out so well (It was this by OsmanHassan that left us with those Errors pages in such a mess). If you are not going to bother removing the emphasis added by the AnsweringIslam team (such as brackets, underlining and caps) you really should not be using them. Another concern is the fact that you are not citing the tafsir properly. ''Ibn Kathir, "Interpretation of Qur'an 47:22"'' is not a reference. If you are going to quote an online version of Tafsir Ibn Kathir, then it should be cited like [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Creation#Ibn_Kathir_2 this] (notice the archived URL and the actual heading of each section provided in the tafsir). | |||
::::::::At Saggy: What does "I know what he's likely to say" mean? Honestly, I would really like to know what you think you know, because I highly doubt you know what I'm going to say. I'll admit I usually think you edits should be removed. But that is because they are usually terrible. In this case, they are not wholly terrible (in the first case, it was actually a good addition and a good observation concerning the "Kindness" hadith). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:51, 16 August 2014 (PDT) | |||