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** The word ''al-jaza'u'' is derived from the root جزي (j-z-y). When we search for all occurrences of words derived from this root in the Qur'an, we get '''118 occurrences''' <ref>http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=jzy</ref>. Most of these occurrences are verbs. So apologists not only counted it wrong, but also counted nouns and verbs together to get the result. The words like "jizya" or "punishment" or "penalty" share the meaning of "payment", "reward" or "recompense" with the other words, so there it no reason to exclude them. And if we should exclude them, then we should exclude them all. | ** The word ''al-jaza'u'' is derived from the root جزي (j-z-y). When we search for all occurrences of words derived from this root in the Qur'an, we get '''118 occurrences''' <ref>http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=jzy</ref>. Most of these occurrences are verbs. So apologists not only counted it wrong, but also counted nouns and verbs together to get the result. The words like "jizya" or "punishment" or "penalty" share the meaning of "payment", "reward" or "recompense" with the other words, so there it no reason to exclude them. And if we should exclude them, then we should exclude them all. | ||
** Does this word count mean that all payments should be forgiven? Is it just to forgive payments? Shouldn't the message be that ''bad deeds'' should be forgiven? The words "payment" and "forgiveness" don't seem to be related so even if there was a double word count for "forgiveness" it wouldn't mean anything. | ** Does this word count mean that all payments should be forgiven? Is it just to forgive payments? Shouldn't the message be that ''bad deeds'' should be forgiven? The words "payment" and "forgiveness" don't seem to be related so even if there was a double word count for "forgiveness" it wouldn't mean anything. | ||
* The words "Adam" (ءَادَمَ) and "Jesus" (عِيسَىٰ, ''Isa'') both appear 25 times and that is a miracle because verse 3:59 says "Jesus is like Adam". | |||
** If we count all forms of the words, then they do both occur 25 times <ref>https://www.chess.com/blog/Rayyan/adam-and-jesus</ref>. | |||
** Jesus is like Adam only in the way that they both don't have a human father. Besides that they are very different. For example Adam doesn't have a mother, while Jesus has. | |||
** Jesus and Moses are similar, because they are both considered to be prophets. So why they are not mentioned the same number of times? | |||
** The Qur'an says in 7:179 that disbelievers are like cattle, yet the Qur'an talks a lot more about disbelievers than cattle. Shouldn't they have an equal word count? | |||
** We could find thousands of things that are in some way similar in Islam. The vast majority of them wouldn't have an equal word count in the Qur'an. Taking one of those similar words, which coincidentally have an equal word count, is not a miracle, but a cherry-picking fallacy. | |||
* When seeing the lists of occurrences for the words "Adam" and "Jesus", the verse 3:59 (which says they are similar by being created from dust) is the 7th occurrence. | |||
** The order of the suras is man-made. If we used the original (Allah's) revelation order, the verses from the 3rd sura would have a higher number than 7, because it is a Medinan sura. Also they probably wouldn't be equal, because the historical revelation order and the order used today are totally different. | |||
* The words "tree" (شجرة, ''shajarah'') and "plant" (نبات, ''nabat'') both occur 26 times. | * The words "tree" (شجرة, ''shajarah'') and "plant" (نبات, ''nabat'') both occur 26 times. | ||
** When we search for all occurrences of words derived from the root شجر (sh-j-r), we find 27 occurrences <ref>http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=%24jr</ref>. When we exclude the words "arises", "vegetation" and "plant", we get '''24 occurrences'''. | ** When we search for all occurrences of words derived from the root شجر (sh-j-r), we find 27 occurrences <ref>http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=%24jr</ref>. When we exclude the words "arises", "vegetation" and "plant", we get '''24 occurrences'''. | ||