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Shall we make logical errors into "logical errors and absurdities" or put any word like "absurdities"? Then there will be a lot more to add.--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 09:50, 27 February 2014 (PST)

:::I don't think the issue is a temporary one that can be sorted by refining sub-heading. If that was the case, then the present heading, "Logical Errors in the Qur'an", is fine for now. The issue is about the entire direction of the article i.e. the author hasn't decided on the topic of the article yet. Clearly that's an odd place to be when an article has already been started. The original topic (logical errors) does not seem to create enough content to warrant an article, so the new title, "logical errors and absurdities" was suggested to allow widening its scope. However, including "absurdities" widens the scope too far. To me, the reasonable conclusion is that there is no article here, or it should at least be put on hold until there are enough logical errors found, and efforts should be concentrated on the "Qur'anic Claim of Having Details" article which has more potential, but that's probably not what everyone wants to hear, so we come back the same problem. What is this article about? If it's about "Issues in the Quran", then that completely obliterates the scope. There are hundreds of issues with the Qur'an and we have hundreds of articles dealing with them. I doubt Saggy or anyone will be willing to create an article that would encompass them all, but readers who land on a page named "Issues in the Quran" would expect nothing less. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 16:48, 27 February 2014 (PST)

::::The first step of these articles is to choose from the 6000 verses by scanning them. We dont want any restrictions at this stage which could slow that down. The next is some kind of sorting or making sense of it. When its time to move the article to the main space only then we have to worry about applying the rules you mentioned and I agree with those rules (correct titles whether its one title or many, scope, how it fits in with everything else, whether its a valid claim or not, etc). It has to be ok in every way. Saggy is doing the first core task, bringing out those verses so that can go on in a Sandbox article. In the end we can come back to your comments and see what to do next. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 04:41, 28 February 2014 (PST)

:::::Well, if you, Saggy or whoever want to do it that way then it doesn't bother me in the slightest, because it's up to each individual how they spend their time and it's being done in a sandbox. But scanning 6000 verses then deciding on what to do with them is not the optimal way good articles are written. That sounds quite absurd in itself. It's common sense that when you write an article that you have a general idea of what the article is about, and only then do you do the research for it. Take the "Qur'an detail" article. We know we want verses that lack detail, so we scan the Qur'an for verses that fit the description. We do not scan the Qur'an for an unidentified purpose, collect anything that looks interesting and then decide that "there are some verses here that lack detail. Let's make an article about it". [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 05:14, 28 February 2014 (PST)

==Article on Ali==

How about an article on Ali? He's (one of) the most important men in Islamic history, so why not? [[User:LawrenceGilmore|LawrenceGilmore]] ([[User talk:LawrenceGilmore|talk]]) 14:01, 5 March 2014 (PST)

:I made your inquiry into a new section by making a heading. Sure thats fine only if it would be a good article related to criticism of Islam. Otherwise not too much time should be spent on it in my opinion but thats up to you. Do you have any thoughts about the text extracts [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Islamophobia_-_temp] for the iphobia article? Sorry I have been putting off working on that article but I was waiting to see what you thought of the extracts. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 14:23, 5 March 2014 (PST)

I think its time to create the details article, What do you say?--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 11:33, 11 March 2014 (PDT)

:I think it needs a language cleanup. I'll try to look at it and see what I can improve.

:One of the strongest cases on that page is the 5 pillars. Can you think of any other cases like these where the detail is seriously needed, is an important part of Islamic belief but is there in the Quran? Those would be very good additions to the page and are not as important as the other verses (stories with missing details e.g.) --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:22, 11 March 2014 (PDT)

::I think there's probably a lot more that can be added (possibly after the article's creation, but preferably before) and I agree with Axius concerning the need of a language cleanup. I too will try to help with that in the next day or two. I would also say that the 5 pillars section needs to be redone to be consistent with the rest. So, IMO, it is not quite ready but it is getting close. Other than that; well done. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 22:04, 11 March 2014 (PDT)

:::Saggy, my opinion is that new verses for missing details should not be added anymore unless they're really good. Instead the effort should be focused on finalizing this page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 20:36, 12 March 2014 (PDT)

::::Saggy, additions of new verses is fine but it may keep extending the time it may take for the article to be reviewed/finalized (just letting you know). You can keep adding the verses though I think thats fine. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 07:01, 15 March 2014 (PDT)

I readied the prose, now create it or u want more verses?--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 08:40, 20 March 2014 (PDT)

:I will read through it later and clean it up before creating it. There's enough content there for an initial article. But I also want to separate the 5 Pillars before that. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 09:35, 20 March 2014 (PDT)

::2 pillars and ablution; and 1 or two more laws. Should they all go into one bunch? The Rest of the pillars have a decent amount of details so they may not go in.--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 12:12, 20 March 2014 (PDT)

::::::Saggy, why are you rushing everything and only making a half-hearted attempt at creating a decent article? Axius may disagree with me, and I'm not trying to discourage you, but my philosophy has always been, "if you're not going to do something properly, then don't do it at all". It is this that has led to us weeding out most of the weak articles and deleting them, resulting in a very high-quality wiki with a reputation for its accurate and articulate content. But when it comes to you, even your talk page messages are so rushed that it makes them hard to understand.

::::::I've now fixed that by removing the text you wrote and replacing it with, ''"Many translators identify those who blow on knots as "those who practice secret arts" or witchcraft, but this information is not found within the actual Qur'anic text. Others choose to translate it accurately as "those who blow on knots", which makes it impossible to identify who these people are and why they would do such a thing."'' But you were obviously aware of the situation (since you chose the 1 translation of the three that only mentions knots) so why did you not think to add this to the article? It was the same thing Qur'an 85:4 (discussed above this message). If you were aware of the uncertainty behind the meaning of this verse being discused by Muslim scholars so it confirms the fact that this verse lacks detail, why did you fail to mention it? You are rushing just to throw articles out there and this is resulting in your work being weak or incomprehensible. This is not how we do things. We do not choose quantity over quality. That may have been the case 5 years ago but not today.

::::::::Thanks, Saggy. Of course. We know these claims will never go away. We are not doing it for those apologists who make these claims. We are doing it for all those people (Muslim and non-Muslim) who use us to learn about Islam and trust us for our accuracy. We need to be thorough and clear enough so that they have the information available to see that we are correct. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 10:05, 23 March 2014 (PDT)

:::::::::I agree with what Sahab said and in particular ''"We do not choose quantity over quality."''. As we can see Sahab did a lot of work [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=WikiIslam:Sandbox/Qur%27anic_Claim_of_Having_Details&offset=&limit=250&action=history] on the Details article. Thanks for that Sahab. Saggy please note Sahab's recommendations.

:::::::::So Saggy if you can do a good job in the Sandbox article, it makes it more likely that others will work on it and finalize the article. If its too difficult others can just add it to the [[tasks]] page to work on it in the future. If its added there, you can see that the tasks page contains lots of tasks so it will likely be a long time before anyone works on it. I would advise you to keep working on Sandbox articles as you have done but if you ask people to finalize it and it needs a lot of work, you can expect a reply like ''"it needs a lot of work (for example, X, Y Z) and at the moment I'm unable to work on it"''. In that case you can keep working on the article to the best of your ability (and make it rebuttal proof as best as you can). It can be added to the Tasks page if it needs a lot of fixing up. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:27, 24 March 2014 (PDT)

[http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/228/default.htm Here] see its second sentence. does it make enough of sense? some stray translator calls it "hiding pregnancy," but is it really something that can be hidden over time? especially in those old days? If it is unclear, it should go into some article.--[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 12:46, 20 March 2014 (PDT)

:I think it sounds pretty clear. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:04, 20 March 2014 (PDT)

:::Why? [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 08:22, 2 April 2014 (PDT)

::::I think he just wants to know what the hadith means. Strange hadith. I dont know myself. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:56, 2 April 2014 (PDT)

::::::::::::''ca 150 A.D. -- Galen – was a Greek Biologist and philosopher who practised medicine, was a surgeon to gladiators and a public demonstrator of anatomy.''

::::::::::::''He also believed women had two uteri ending in single neck. One of his theories was that if milk flows from the breasts of a pregnant woman, it is an indication that the foetus will be weak. His reasoning for this is; '''the breasts and uterus are joined by common vessels. The foetus inside the uterus is bathed in nutrients (milk)''', if this milk overflows to the breasts it is because the foetus is not strong enough to consume as much as it should be.''

:::::::::::Galen says in another link [http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/65/2/374] "so that if a nursing mother should become pregnant,", so it might be talking about a pregnant woman who is nursing another child. This is just more information. Saggy could you analyze this carefully or do more research before putting the hadith in to make sure we are not putting in any hadiths that can be explained. I have no additional input on this. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:12, 3 April 2014 (PDT)

::::::::::::The minimum error is that milk overflows. Where is the baby or how many babies are there does not matter. I'll insert this and its better to see if somebody tries to refute or explain the rest of words later. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 04:00, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

:::::::::::::::::Ok, I think I understand now. The hadith says that it will always be the case that overflow happens for a pregnant breast feeding woman. I still dont get the logic behind the hadith "Dont kill your child because otherwise the milk wont overflow" ... ? Must be some background on the hadith as to whats going on. Yea I saw that link. I googled [https://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=852&q=%22overtakes+the+horseman+and+throws+him+from+his+horse.%22&oq=%22overtakes+the+horseman+and+throws+him+from+his+horse.%22&gs_l=serp.3...12123.12994.0.13351.3.3.0.0.0.0.85.251.3.3.0....0...1c.1.39.serp..3.0.0.KbC8LzjI35c "overtakes the horseman and throws him from his horse"] and saw a few more links. Here's another [http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=320733] which is about intercourse and other stuff.:

::::::::::::::::::''Imam Abu Sulaiman Al Khattabi explaining the hadith says, “The Prophet (pbuh) is indicating that when the husband has intercourse with his breastfeeding wife, which results in pregnancy, it reduces her milk, thus depriving the suckling child, as it is being nourished from that milk, hence weakening the suckling child”. (Ma’aalim Al Sunan of Imam Abu Sulaiman Al Khattabi)''

::::::::::::::::::''The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "…gheelah (pregnancy during the period of breastfeeding) overtakes the rider and throws him from the horse." ('''Reported by Abu Dawud, this means''' that the child who nurses from a pregnant mother will suffer from it in later life like a horseman who is thrown from his horse.)"''

:::::::::::::::::There may be additional information in the google link about the horseman phrase. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:08, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

::::::::::::::::::And after Googling that phrase ("this means ....") I found only two links, one of which was that forum and the other is this [http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar/family/pregnancy-and-newborns/175346.html?newborns=]. So I think this hadith may not be a good choice after addition after all but check all of this information and see for yourself. You can also get additional scientific error Hadiths from this page: [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Islamic_Silliness]]. You can copy the ones that can be shown as scientific errors. Its ok to have one hadith shown in multiple pages. But yes continue with your hadith scanning/search because we know there are more errors/things found in Hadith than Quran verses.  --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:23, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

:::::::::::::::::::I searched for "Romans persians" and got this [http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/008-smt.php] Book 008, Number 3391 is what they seem to call gheelah. But gheelah does not appear linked to "kill children" nor to the fall from horse. Its tiring; verifying such claims. What analogy did they say: Child will suffer the same as a horseback fall? is it due to milk in any way? This fall-suffer analogy is strange, it seems like all those  miracle claims derived from half sentences. The subject is clearly milk, not child. but they changed it to child to brush it away. So you have googled and thrown light(lol) on two separate parts: If the second half is an analogy, the first is not clear. If we understand or assume the first, the second is not clear. "Milk throws the horseman from the horse" looks the same as "sperm flows between backbone and ribs." By now, a whole article could be made on this mess if needed.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 09:15, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

{{outdent}} (outdented)''"This fall-suffer analogy is strange"'' - the apologist will quote Abu Dawaud and claim that its not referring to overflow but punishment later on. I would suggest to move on to something else as things are not as clear as we would like them to be (unless additional evidence can be found). The problem is the meaning of the hadith is not clear, and we cannot claim that horseman refers to overflow (without evidence that says so). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 09:28, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

:That is what I was trying to say - such an apologist cant show which word refers to what, ''satisfactorily.'' (is it "milk" that refers to punishment?) I had said the sperm thing on realising that the first guy who pointed out the sperm-flow error did not expect that apologists will give 10 different interpretations, half of them twisting the original words. They are all debunked. Same may happen here. We should take the hadith literally unless there is strong evidence for different meanings in it.[[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 10:06, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

::Agreed that it should be taken literally. Literally it just says "horseman taking over the horse". Anything else (overflow or punishment) needs a reference. I would suggest adding the hadith to some kind of "to do" page where hadiths of interest are listed so it can be looked at again when there's more information. If the hadith literally said something about over flow or punishment or lack of milk for the other baby etc, it would be another situation. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:10, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

:::I think that hadith should not be added to the list. I do not get "A Pregnant woman's milk can overflow" from a literal reading. In the end, a literal reading is all that matters because anything else is an interpretation and can be argued against. Ultimately, this is just one odd hadith out of literally thousands of odd hadith, so I don't see any importance in this. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 00:28, 5 April 2014 (PDT)

::::Saggy, I would to reiterate the need for adding content that is "rebuttal" proof. You said ''"Its tiring; verifying such claims."''. Yes its more work making sure new content is strong and of high quality but [[What_People_Say_About_WikiIslam|its worth it]]. If you want you can add the Hadith to your own "to do" page/section where you can continue the research (in which case make sure you add the reference to the Abu Dawud meaning of suffering I found). Again, do look at the [[Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Islamic_Silliness|Silliness]] hadiths to see if any can be added from there to the Science errors page. Many hadiths/verses are easy decisions to insert if the meanings are clear (this kind of hadith is not found often). Easy or not, all new content still needs a careful look to make sure it is acceptable.

::::Its nice that you have been researching hadiths and verses and some of your other additions have been fine so yea, continue that. I recommend you do it like this as its easier: Put all of the interesting verses and hadiths you come across in your own temporary Sandbox page, and when you have a certain number, start inserting them into the relevant pages (after a good review). And then you can go back and search some more. This is easier than finding one quote, inserting, finding another and inserting etc. In the Sandbox you also have more freedom to write what you want until its finalized: [[User:Saggy/Sandbox]], [[User:Saggy/Sandbox for QHS]]. etc --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:23, 5 April 2014 (PDT)

Lets see how these changes look. I moved all visitor related links to the top and the Editor related links to the left for easier access. Visitors who are 99% of the people visiting this site can look in that Navigation box while Editors can see what they want on the left for easier access. In my opinion Editors are more important than visitors. We can get visitors and thats easy; we already have a lot of them so lets pay more importance to editing which is a problem. This is more inviting to editors and its telling them they are important. Lets see how it feels for a while. The bad thing is its pushing content down but there's no other way for now.  

Later we can also try reverting and moving everything below Editing. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:18, 26 April 2014 (PDT)

:Still trying to find a good menu navigation system. Making the site look like Wikipedia is not a priority. A site is not judged to be good because it looks like Wikipedia but because it has good content and is easy to navigate and makes it easy for people to find what they're looking for (this is good web design). Making it easy for people to navigate the site is of higher priority. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:20, 28 April 2014 (PDT)

::There is a public Mediawiki extension called "Breadcrumbs" (well, there are even TWO !). Maybe that can help ? [[User:François Paganel|François Paganel]] ([[User talk:François Paganel|talk]]) 18:45, 15 December 2014 (PST)

:::The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs first] is a strange way of doing breadcrumbs. The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BreadCrumbs2 2nd] is the right one which will need manual creation of the breadcrumb data. Its up to Sahab and I can install it if he wants that. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:33, 16 December 2014 (PST)

What can be done to make the site more inviting and more likely to connect with our readers and most importantly, potential editors? I've always thought of a page where we can list our significant current and past (retired) editors. Even if there are only a few people to mention it could be done. An summary of the kind of work they've done would be nice. That recognition would be nice and people would be interested in seeing who is doing what.

Any thoughts? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:36, 5 July 2014 (PDT)

Both of these people are very knowledgeable about Islam and I would like to invite them to join our site:

I'm in touch with TheRationalizer and have told him that I hope he joins us. I commented on Klingschor's Youtube channel and invited him too but he may not have read it so I will try to create a formal invitation and deliver the invite to them personally and we can also show the invite on the website (which can also be an introduction for them containing information about the internet presence and their areas of interest).   

Anyone else who should be on this list? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 11:52, 5 July 2014 (PDT)

I have translated a complete article to another language in my sandbox. Now I need a step by step process how to add this translation in the language catagory.  

Should I edit the main English article and paste my own translation in the wikitext after deleting the main article and then submit my changes for approval?

Greetings. I have plenty of Wiki experience from gaming wikis and I thought I may be able to help out here a bit now and then. Primarily I may want to start translating articles into Swedish. Sweden is quite prominent in certain aspects of Islam, especially since we have a large minority muslims and our government caters to the more fundamentalist aspects of Islam (they, both sides, seem to have no clue about the difference between moderate and fundamental followers of the religion) and I think there may be an interest for some of these articles in Swedish.

:Here is the list: [[WikiIslam:Translations]] You can go ahead with it in a sandbox. See [[Abrogation]] it has 3 articles, I think they are complete and hence fit for translation but take a second opinion on them. More links in [[Contradictions and Errors]]. Then there is [[WikiIslam:Site Map]] and Tasks to pick anything of your choice. Another interesting article is [[Questions to Ask About Islam]] but it keeps receiving some additions. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 04:42, 20 August 2014 (PDT)

:Hi Leord, thanks for joining. Yea it would be great to have some articles in Swedish. You can do the Abrogation articles if you like but how about [[72 Virgins]]. This will remain a popular topic and there's a lot of wrong information for this topic that needs to be challenged. Other articles on our [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#Articles_to_Translate Translation] page include [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad List of killings by Muhammad], [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Health_Effects_of_Islamic_Dress Health effects of Islamic dress] (if there are many Hijabs, Veils seen in Sweden), [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Invitations_to_Islam_Prior_to_Violence Invitations to Violence], etc. Let me know what you want to start and I'll make a page for you that you can directly edit. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:10, 20 August 2014 (PDT)

:::Ok, sounds good. Let me know here when you have a choice. Good to know Swedish people are somewhat familiar with english.  --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:45, 20 August 2014 (PDT)

Upon doing a Google search for 'Taqiyya' (and all it's spelling variants)I was surprised and disappointed to find that wikislam did not come up (at least not in the first 5 pages). I'm not sure what (if anything) can be done to fix this, so I thought I should mention it. It is likely that this is an issue with other pages/topics/terms as well. I was thinking that the reason is due to the fact that there is no specific Taqiyya Page with the term Taqiyya in the title. I was wondering if I, or preferably a more experienced editor, could create a page specifically on the topic of Taqiyya or just create the page and have a link to http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Lying. <small>&mdash;Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Yaakov|Yaakov]] ([[User talk:Yaakov|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yaakov|contribs]]) {{#if:12:20, 20 August 2014‎|&#32; 12:20, 20 August 2014‎|}} ([[WikiIslam:Signatures#Signing_Posts|Remember to sign your comments]]) </small>

::"Taqiyya" could become a redirect. I am not sure if it will affect the Google hits as a redirect. @Axius, can you look into it? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 13:21, 20 August 2014 (PDT)

::::Taqiyya already redirects to [[Lying]]. There is a reason why we don't have a page on Taqiyya (and hopefully never will); it is seen as a predominantly Shi'ite practice used by them to save their own lives. Lying to non-Muslims to forward Islam is supported by Muslim texts, that is why we cover it all in [[Lying_-_Primary_Sources|Lying (Primary Sources)]]. But as soon as critics mislabel it as "Taqiyya" they lose all credibility. We call it what it is; lying. No fancy words needed. Of course we do have a section within there that covers Taqiyya but that is only a small part of the entire subject. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:35, 20 August 2014 (PDT)

:::::I would be in favor of having a (small) page on Taqiya to tell people what it is and what its not (so everyone can know including critics of Islam) and it can link to Lying but its to Sahab and he says there shouldnt be a page on it so there. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 12:25, 21 August 2014 (PDT)

Guys, you are invited to review my edits. There are too many and the admins currently do not have time to review them. They are major additions  proposed at [[User:Saggy/Sandbox - Issues with Quran and Hadith]]; categorised by article. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 05:16, 22 August 2014 (PDT)

Hello. I looked at the links to the Hadiths concerning killing dogs and restricting to killing black dogs from this page: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#Killing_Dogs

I think the hadiths are Abu-Dawud: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/016-sat.php [[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 16:46, 28 August 2014 (GMT)

I have A LOT of content

The database in MySql dump format can be downloaded from there under the name xxx.txt.

The PDF "Monsieur Ha Ca" can be downloaded from there too. [[User:François Paganel|François Paganel]] ([[User talk:François Paganel|talk]]) 18:42, 15 December 2014 (PST)

:For your other content it depends on what the quality is. Please dont upload anything before showing a sample of the writing. Also currently we dont have any french editors on the site to review the material. Can you upload it on a regular website like a blog, or just make a temporary sandbox here for one of your pages you want to show? That facebook page shows an error (not available). Its strange that you've uploaded a Mediawiki wiki database... to Facebook.com? I dont understand how thats possible. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:38, 16 December 2014 (PST)

::The content may be great, but we have no way to evaluate it completely. Looking at what you wrote on your user page isn't encouraging, it suggests to me that the content will most likely be breaking a whole host of WikiIslam's policies, both for style and content.

:::I mean I updated of course its MySQL '''dump''' in ASCII form so anybody can recreate it quickly on his/her own machine. 3,8 Mo (3 758 022 octets) :-) [[User:François Paganel|François Paganel]] ([[User talk:François Paganel|talk]]) 13:06, 21 December 2014 (PST)

Hi Wikiislam i am former editor of Sekulyarizm.org first Azerbaijan website about atheist and criticism of İslam.I want to help Wikiislam about translation of articles into Azerbaijani language.I would be happy if you help me about this. <small>&mdash;Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Aykhan|Aykhan]] ([[User talk:Aykhan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aykhan|contribs]]) {{#if:|&#32; |}} ([[WikiIslam:Signatures#Signing_Posts|Remember to sign your comments]]) </small>

:hi, welcome to the site. Please see [[WikiIslam:Instructions for Translators]] for instructions. [[List of Killings Ordered or Supported by Muhammad]] is a good choice. Also we have two or three articles from that website [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Sekulyarizm.org]. It might have been you who was the original author of those articles.  --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:37, 21 January 2015 (PST)

I started to translate that article but i can't move it to translations section please help

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/M%C9%99h%C9%99mm%C9%99d_t%C9%99r%C9%99find%C9%99n_sifari%C5%9F_v%C9%99_yaxud_d%C9%99st%C9%99kl%C9%99n%C9%99n_q%C9%99tll%C9%99r

Volunteer needed! Editors! Help me to create the topic Pederasty by Muhamad.

:Secondly, I have removed your edits to Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Racism‎. What you wrote was absolute rubbish. Enslavement of Africans existed long before Prophet Muhammad was born. The Curse of Ham nonsense already existed in the Jewish Talmud long before Muhammad was born, and I doubt the European Neanderthals who enslaved Africans where inspired specifically by Muhammad. A case could probably be made that the resurgence of slavery or its perpetuance among Europeans was "inspired" to some degree by the actions of their Muslim contemporaries, but that's hardly the same thing.

:Fourthly, we do not exaggerate or take issues out of context here. Muhammad may qualify as a modern-day pedophile, but he was a heterosexual pedophile, not a homosexual one. Nothing you have quoted here suggests otherwise. I would think anyone who is an ex-Muslim or is familiar with Middle-Eastern culture would realize that. Actually, I'm sure the tongue kiss thing is used somewhere here as an argument for pedophilia, but it is inaccurate so I will remove it. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 07:05, 21 February 2015 (PST)

Hi people, I want to translate this in Romanian. I have edited on Wikipedia a few years ago, I think I can manage...

How this starts, what shall I do? [[User:Michael|Michael]] ([[User talk:Michael|talk]]) 17:23, 17 August 2015 (PDT)

:I also renamed that image to a better file name and inserted a disclaimer. See this part of the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_is_the_religious_persuasion_of_the_contributors_to_WikiIslam.3F FAQ]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:27, 17 August 2015 (PDT)

Here is my idea:

-Enterusername

:What makes the totality of Islam is subjective. There are other texts too. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 22:30, 4 September 2015 (PDT)

Other texts can be included. "Good" Hadiths can be included in number 2 as well.  

If this was completed, it would serve as the totality of ''authoritative knowledge'' about Islam.

:You can work on it if you like (in the sandbox space first). I can tell you how to start. It would fall under the [[essay]] category. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 07:20, 5 September 2015 (PDT)

I have an idea for an article:

A complete list of all the events that occurred between Muhammad, the Quraysh, and the Jews, along with a final moral analysis.

ALL LINKS TO VERSES @ usc.edu ARE DEAD. Either a new site must be found, or a possible solution might be to link to an archived version of the pages through one (or more) of the following:

[[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 17:07, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

:It was definitely working yesterday clicking links from wikiislam. I think it's probably just gone down temporarily (has happened before)[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 17:15, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

The templates converting hadith/verse number to cmje url don't work anymore. We should start using other website, or use our own quran / hadiths. [[User:Prekladator|Prekladator]] ([[User talk:Prekladator|talk]]) 04:48, 18 December 2016 (EST)

:Yeah, it's not worked since mid October. I contacted one of the cmje members and they got it working again for a few weeks, but now it's down again. They say they have problems maintaining the site. I'm working on a new solution involving another Qur'an and hadith site, but first I am trying to get some of the templates we need unlocked so editor user rights can change them. I know someone who has an excellent site with many great features better than cmje that will be able to work with the existing usc-msa hadith citations on wikiislam as well as new ones after I've changed the templates. I can get the Qur'an links working as soon as I've got the template rights changed and hadiths hopefully fairly soon after when the other site is able to take them.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 20:22, 19 December 2016 (EST)

I can edit the templates now (I asked for the templates to be unprotected so Editors could change them, but they seem to have decided instead to give me Admin rights). The eventual permanent exmna admin can unprotect them if he/she decides to in future (they are in transition between admins).  

The site we will be using as a replacement for cmje is [http://quranx.com/ QuranX.com]. It combines many of the best features of other well known sites, and as such is an excellent research productivity tool. To start with I've just made the Qur'an templates point there. Some improvements to the QuranX site are soon coming which we can use (e.g. showing the linked verse(s) in context). Hadith templates will be directed there too once it is able to interpret the obsolete usc-msa numbering scheme used by the existing hadith citations here. If there are any technical problems in future with the site we will be using please contact therationaliser[[file:At-sign.gif]]gmail.com [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 23:42, 28 December 2016 (EST)

:We are also using the new QuranX features allowing alternative referencing systems to be used when citing hadiths (USC-MSA and in-book reference, which also appear on another well known hadith site but without the ability to link using the USC-MSA system). The templates for these 4 collections now allow an in-book reference alternative to the default USC-MSA reference system. This is useful as there are many hadiths that appear on QuranX that were omitted on the old cmje site's hadith collections (especially in cmje's abridged Abu Dawud collection). These hadiths usually have been given a USC-MSA number the same as adjacent hadiths that were on cmje. The in-book referencing system can be used to cite them specifically, or otherwise using the default USC-MSA system, all the hadiths that have a cited USC-MSA number will be listed when there is more than one.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 01:04, 3 January 2017 (EST)

:::Thanks, I think it's fixed now. There are also some minor issues with the usc hadith numbers in the data set on QuranX that I'm also helping them fix.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 15:55, 3 January 2017 (EST)

When I am in an article and click "Printable version" I can make a nice PDF out of that article. I think you could upload somewhere (I wouldn't overload this site) a big zip with all articles in PDF. And then people who might have limited internet access could study offline also. Maybe they can't access wikiislam, but they can download the bunch of PDFs somewhere. And also if there was a printed version, that would be also great. Doesn't have to be everything, it could be "The Best of WikiIslam" for example. [[User:Prekladator|Prekladator]] ([[User talk:Prekladator|talk]]) 19:38, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I recently came across a couple of links to dead pages ([[Islam Science and the Problems at Wikipedia]], [[Notable Former Muslims]], and [[People Who Left Islam]]) and noticed that they were all deleted by the same user - AbdulHurayrah (at the same time - 20:25, 26 December 2018). So I looked into it and found that in his first 2 days of editing, he deleted over 700 pages (at least a quarter of the pages on the site):  

I presume the deletions were in good faith to make Wikiislam more objective, less hostile, more palatable to Muslims, etc. and it might even be right, but what troubles me most is the total lack of any apparent/transparent discussion/consensus prior to this sudden mass deletion (by a new editor). (Not to mention all the wasted time and effort that must have gone into those pages). --[[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 01:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)