WikiIslam:Translation Discussions: Difference between revisions

=Arabic=

==Translating Into Arabic==

Hi, I'm an Arabic native speaker and interested reader from the Middle East and I'd like to help in translating some articles into Arabic, any suggestions is welcomed. Thanks [[User:Pouasi|Pouasi]] ([[User talk:Pouasi|talk]]) 20:11, 2 August 2012 (PDT)

::I made some steps for translating articles: [[WikiIslam:Translations#Steps_for_Translating_an_Article]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 01:11, 3 August 2012 (PDT)

::::Sounds great. Thanks! --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 03:40, 3 August 2012 (PDT)

=Azerbaijani=

The kind folks at [http://www.sekulyarizm.org/ Sekulyarizm.org] have provided us with a translation of "The Genocide of Banu Qurayza" which can be viewed [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Beni_Kureyza_Q%C9%99tliam%C4%B1 here]. We have been told that more translations are on the way. So, thanks guys! [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 16:35, 6 August 2013 (PDT)

Hello  

A Ahmed <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:SURREAL|SURREAL]] ([[User talk:SURREAL|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SURREAL|contribs]]) {{#if:12:35, 8 November 2012|&#32;on 12:35, 8 November 2012|}} </small>

*[[:Category:Български (Bulgarian)]] & [[:Category:Bulgarian Templates]]

Hi,

:hi Damaskin, we would love to have some important articles in Bulgarian. Here's a list of articles that should be translated: [[WikiIslam:Translations#All_Languages]]. Let me know which article(s) you'd like to translate and I'll guide you further. Yes it would be nice to have your friends help with the translation as there is a lot that needs to be translated. Please direct them here to register a username and then to leave a message in this section saying which article they would like to translate. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:05, 11 October 2013 (PDT)

*[[:Category:Česky (Czech)]]

==Sub-domain==

There is a lot of translated articles in Czech. Can we make a czech subdomain? I think the purpose of those translations was to give information to people who struggle with English, so the articles shouldn't be surrounded with English environment. I could be the admin. I am not sure whether there is currently some other active czech member. And btw I know some people who wanted to join and translate, but they couldn't due to the blocking system and it seems to me that it is constantly turned on. I had problems with it myself in the beginning. [[User:Prekladator|Prekladator]] ([[User talk:Prekladator|talk]]) 10:39, 15 January 2017 (EST)

:I have tried to contact the exmna guys on their mail and contact forms. Probably they are busy with other things. You or I can receive translations from your friends and then make the articles here, though it may be a little difficult for them without the wiki editing window. Cant think of anything else.  [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 12:55, 15 January 2017 (EST)

=Dutch=

:Welcome again, Chris. Concerning your queries:

:2. If you're unsure about how integrate the Muslim hadith into the existing article, just put it on the talk page and we'll add it to wherever is most appropriate.

*[[:Category:Français (French)]] & [[:Category:French Templates]]

Hello,

Should a french sub-domain be created? If all the presently translated articles are fine [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Fran%C3%A7ais_%28French%29]. This will make it easier for creation of future french articles so they wont have to be moved/adjusted, etc. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 05:05, 29 March 2013 (PDT)

:I think we need more French editors before considering that. Would also need to find a suitable administrator for that sub-domain (like Claustrum for ru.wikiislam.net) who understands our goals and approach to criticism. O/T could you check your PMs please? [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 06:33, 29 March 2013 (PDT)

Hi ! I'm new and I would like translate articles from English into French.

1.[[WikiIslam:Join_Our_Team]] <br />

2.[[WikiIslam:Tasks]] <br />

:Hi. I made some suggestions on your talk page. They were:

:*[[72 Virgins]] - It is quite a lengthy article, but it is also one of our most popular.

:I could make more suggestions if for some reason you did not want to do these two. But I think they are very good pages. Let me know what you think. Thanks! [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 16:58, 8 October 2013 (PDT)

*[[:Category:Deutsch (German)]] & [[:Category:German Templates]]

Hello.

Next I finished the unfinished translation of [Geschlechtertrennung im Islam]. What would you like me to do next? [[User:Therider|Therider]]

:Thanks again! Could you please answer the question I left on your talk page ([http://wikiislam.net/wiki/User_talk:Therider#German_template_help here])? It would be a great help to us now that we have more than 1 German article. As for articles to translate, we have a list of good article [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#List_of_Articles_to_Translate here]. Feel free to pick any of them. [[User:Sahab|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:53, 8 February 2014 (PST)

:::Have you had a think about what you'd like to translate next? How about [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Priapism_-_Permanent_Erection Priapism (Permanent Erection)]? This article is not too long and is very well written. [[User:Sahab|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 00:19, 10 February 2014 (PST)

::::BTW, I vaguely remember that the first time I browsed this site, I had found some german language page. But now I can't find it anymore. Could it be that there is the odd german page hidden somewhere? If yes, it would be a good idea to link it to the new german language hub page.[[User:Therider|Therider]] ([[User talk:Therider|talk]])

:::::About the "Artikel auf Deutsch" hub page; why was the word "(Englisch)" removed? Was it grammatically or stylistically incorrect or something in German? The reason why it's there is because the site map is in English. [[User:Sahab|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 00:43, 11 February 2014 (PST)

::::::Oh, that's why that word was there? I couldn't make any sense out of that mention of the english language, because the whole page is all in german :-) Of course, if you feel it is helpful there, put it back. I, frankly, don't. If ever, I'd rather mark the Sitemap link something like "Sitemap (Englisch)" [[User:Therider|Therider]] ([[User talk:Therider|talk]])

:::::::Okay. That's a good idea. I'll mark the sitemap link as you suggested. Thanks! [[User:Sahab|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:59, 11 February 2014 (PST)

==Translation of [[Islam and Democratic Values]]==

New translation is finished: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Islam_und_demokratische_Werte. What to do with it now? -- [[User talk:Therider|TheRider]]

Hi, i've a question. Since i'm translating big articles, this requires a lot of time and i'm doing this in my free time. Is it possible to save beta-versions and retrieve them easily? i mean, if i press "save the page" then it will be published, isn't it?

sorry for my question, but i've never used the wiki software. it's all new for me.

:Hi Hark! For pages that you want to work on slowly, you can use sandboxes (e.g. [[User:Hark/Sandbox1]], [[User:Hark/Sandbox2]], [[User:Hark/Sandbox3]] and so on). Or you could simply press "save the page" but add <nowiki>{{underconstruction}}</nowiki> to the top of the page. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 20:26, 7 October 2013 (PDT)

::Hi, i click on saved, after putting the <nowiki>{{underconstruction}}</nowiki> and, well, i'm not able to see no more the page. was it deleted. The page was called "Donne Mancano di Intelligenza", but it seems that i lost it. strange, 'cause i remember i saw it after clicking on "save". If it possible to retrieve in some way, let me know, otherwise i will restart to translate. who knows what i did.... [[User:Hark]] ([[User talk:Hark|talk]]) 12:00, 8 October 2013 (WET)

:P.S. if I have a problem with this site, can I ask to you? <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Hood4|Hood4]] ([[User talk:Hood4|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hood4|contribs]]) {{#if:|&#32;on {{{2}}}|}} </small>

::We have these 3 existing pages in Italian: [[:Category:Italiano_%28Italian%29]]. The best thing to do is to complete [[Donne_Mancano_di_Intelligenza]] or pick any of the articles in the [http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#List_of_Articles_to_Translate list]. The two pages you see were also Core articles but we have updated our policies since then to specifically ask people not to do Core articles first (reasons mentioned on the List page in the [http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Translations#Articles_to_Avoid 'Articles to Avoid'] section). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 12:17, 4 November 2013 (PST)

Ok Axius. Then I will continue to translate the already existing and incomplete italian pages (le Donne mancano di Intelligenza, etc...). By the way, yes, the article that I was translating was (Islam and the People of the Book).

So, the core articles will be translated more in the future? <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Hood4|Hood4]] ([[User talk:Hood4|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hood4|contribs]]) {{#if:|&#32;on {{{2}}}|}} </small>

:Yes, they should be translated later on when the interlinked articles have been translated.  Core articles are not referenced because they are summaries of the linked articles. The recommended list lists some individual articles which cover important topics in referenced format. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 04:40, 5 November 2013 (PST)

Should I change the cite notes (if I could find them in italian) or I'd be better to leave them in english? (For example notes from the Quran, which there are translations in italian).

Should I change also the external links? <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Hood4|Hood4]] ([[User talk:Hood4|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hood4|contribs]]) {{#if:|&#32;on {{{2}}}|}} </small>

:Hi Hood4. I suppose it depends on each individual reference. For example, ref no. 1 simply cites a Qur'an verse. So assuming the Italian translation you choose is an accurate, mainstream translation like the English ones we use, there shouldn't be a problem with quoting an Italian translation of the Qur'an. At the moment, for Qur'anic references we link to the [http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Compendium_of_Muslim_Texts Compendium of Muslim Texts] hosted on the website of the University of Southern California. If you can find a mainstream Italian translation hosted on a scholarly site, that would be great.

The other translation was made in 1994 by an italian convert, Hamza Piccardo, but his version was criticised by Magdi Allam (do you know him) because his commentary of the Quran promoted anti-semitism and bad wievs against Christians. Plus, he organisation in which he's involved, the UCOOI, it's a sympathizer of the Muslim Brotherhood, along with the European Council of Fatwa, headed by Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, another sympathizer of the M.B.

What should I do? Trust the Bausani's version? <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Hood4|Hood4]] ([[User talk:Hood4|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hood4|contribs]]) {{#if:|&#32;on {{{2}}}|}} </small>

:I would like the first one then. Another way is to check Wikipedia and see if they're using any Quran translations (found as direct quotes or in the references): http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corano, or [http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maometto]. We ideally want a website where the URL has the surah and verse number in it. If there's just the surah, we can work with that too. For example this site has surah numbers: [http://www.sufi.it/Corano/index4.htm] --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 15:37, 5 November 2013 (PST)

Could be useful? <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Hood4|Hood4]] ([[User talk:Hood4|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hood4|contribs]]) {{#if:|&#32;on {{{2}}}|}} </small>

:Hi again. In regards to the site you linked; No. Not if the site has commentary made by Robert Spencer. In regards to which translation to use; what do the majority of Italian Muslims use? [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 09:41, 6 November 2013 (PST)

::Just like to add that, based on what little we know, I'd choose the translation by Hamza Roberto Piccardo over the dated translation by Alessandro Bausani. This is because Piccardo's translation is the first Italian translation of the Qur'an by an actual Muslim. No Muslim would accept anything we had to say about Islam if we use Qur'an translations by non-Muslims. And I've also just noticed that you said Piccardo's translation is very popular among Muslims. That is exactly what we're looking for in a choice of translation. It's a no-brainer IMO. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 09:53, 6 November 2013 (PST)

about Hamza Piccardo's translation, I've found out in a site (a sufi internet page, in italian), which use that of Picaardo, that it's the translation more common and complete(?) of the Quran in italian. So, it could be the best choice.

No-brainer? Piccardo? <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Hood4|Hood4]] ([[User talk:Hood4|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hood4|contribs]]) {{#if:|&#32;on {{{2}}}|}} </small>

:hi Guys, on Picardo's wikipedia page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamza_Roberto_Piccardo] I found this link: http://al-quran.info/#4:12 and here is another site for Piccardo: http://tanzil.net/#trans/it.piccardo/1:1

:Hood4, you could edit the [[Corano]] page to contain a short version of the English page (just a small paragraph for now e.g. just the "What is the Qur'an?" section for now). I copied the EN text there so its already there. There's also an Italian FFI website if you'd like to ask people to help in translation: http://www.italian.faithfreedom.org/ . Here's the contact page: http://www.italian.faithfreedom.org/commenti.php --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 19:30, 6 November 2013 (PST)

The references for the italian Qur'an are good, but... I will find something less "scaring" (the arabic alphabet has a heavy impact on me), if I could... But this is also great.

The next move, will be to translate the first part of the page "the Qur'an", as you suggested to me.

:Thanks for the translation of that list article. The link for the Italian Quran page is: [[Corano]]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 09:41, 27 December 2013 (PST)

and a sandbox i was making about the flat earth.

:Neceseco, sorry about that. I thought about if there was a way to get the latest version of the database but this is the latest we have access to (the server account was closed). The content on [[WikiIslam:Sandbox/L'inferno musulmano]] is the latest that is available. I also cannot see the Sandbox for the flat Earth. Sorry about that as well. I hope it was not too much work. I believe the time period between the latest DB and the server down was 3 days. The data for that time period is not available now.

:We are waiting for a response for the domain registrar so they can update the DNS and then the original domain wikiislam.net can continue working (if they respond). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 20:51, 7 December 2015 (EST)

==Sub-Domain & Administrators==

==Seeing there's a fair number of articles==

Seeing there's a fair number of [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Russian russian] articles, I'll try to investigate what I can do to get a russian sub-domain going (ru.wikiislam.net). There's a number of ways to do it but I want to do it in a way that's easy in regards to keeping backups, updating the software etc. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 18:51, 23 August 2012 (PDT)

:That will be great. Thank you, Axius! --[[User:Claustrum|Claustrum]] ([[User talk:Claustrum|talk]]) 22:20, 23 August 2012 (PDT)

::I should have said when I would be able to try this. Recently there's been some other site issues that I have to work on (need to check if we need to upgrade our hosting service) before I can get to this. I'm guessing it would probably take a few months before I can try this. Hopefully it will be sooner. I'll post a message here after I have any updates. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 20:45, 15 September 2012 (PDT)

::Creating a sub-domain is a big step for WikiIslam, so I think it's imperative that we have a substantial Main Page before proceeding. We need to know that our Russian members are very serious about building and maintaining it. Regarding stubs or red links, I don't think this is a problem because we don't have to include them in pages from the beginning. They can be added as the site grows and as the pages are translated. Some articles from FFI and RI are fine, but we have to be careful. Many of the articles on FFI are political and RI is a Christian (not a problem in itself, but his articles may not meet WikiIslam's guidelines concerning the promotion of other faiths). --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]])

:::hi guys, here's a small tech update about the sub-domain. A few days ago I made a quick attempt to start a test sub-domain but it didn't work. It will probably take some work to get it running. The server we moved to recently is fine for now it may not be good enough for us in the long-term and even in the near future (in case of big traffic spikes). I want to first fine tune the site (performance wise) on the current server and then I want to try to find a good dedicated server. When we move to that server I'll work on starting the russian sub-domain. On that server we'll (hopefully) have no problems with traffic loads. At least right now we're not in a hurry to move to a server and I can take my time to fine tune the site here and then find another server setup. I also need to work on some custom extensions we have and make them ready for the russian language site. But yea while there's additional editing being done and making the RU content ready, I'll be working on the tech side in the background. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 18:02, 9 November 2012 (PST)

Sahabah(admin3) had the suggestion that I could try making the Russian logo and see how it looked. Here it is: [http://i.imgur.com/yQGfm.jpg]. Is it right? Let me know if I should change anything. The sub-domain is still most likely a few months away as I plan to do another server move (to a dedicated server). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:27, 14 November 2012 (PST)

:I think the second line must be changed to «интернет-ресурс об Исламе». — [[User:Claustrum|Claustrum]] ([[User talk:Claustrum|talk]]) 18:44, 14 November 2012 (PST)

::Here it is: [http://i.imgur.com/qHr2v.jpg]. I assumed the enclosing characters should be included. Let me know if its not readable and I can increase the font size and take it to two lines. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 20:02, 14 November 2012 (PST)

==Next steps==

I'm using this space as an initial 'to do' list for the next steps. This is after we get http://ru.wikiislam.net working (currently its http://www.wikiislam.ru):

Since we just have the Russian sub-domain, some steps can be postponed or modified. The above are just suggestions. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2013 (PST)

:I cant say enough about how amazed and relieved I am at how this has worked out so easily for us, all because of Claustrum. Thanks again.

::Yes. Claustrum, well done! When the existing Russian translations are exported over to ru.wikiislam and the important policies/guidelines/help pages are translated, I was thinking we could add a link to the top of the main page like this: [http://oi47.tinypic.com/vxhqw.jpg] What do you guys think? Until then, Claustrum, could you add a notice in Russian at the top of [[Статьи_на_русском_языке_-_Articles_in_Russian |this page]], inviting Russian speakers to help get ru.wikiislam out of its preliminary state? [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 18:57, 13 February 2013 (PST)

:Some of the red links already have completed articles here, but haven't been moved over yet for some reason or another.[[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 18:01, 18 April 2013 (PDT)

Never thought about this happening e.g. [http://ru.wikiislam.net/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB_%D0%BF%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8B], [http://ru.wikiislam.net/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%83%D1%81], [http://ru.wikiislam.net/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8C_%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B2_%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%84%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%8B]. It's a shame we don't have English translations of them :( I only had a quick look and found them. I'm sure Claustrum and our Russian editors have created a lot more new content.[[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 02:38, 10 August 2013 (PDT)

:Thats great. Articles look great too. I guess that goes in our long To do list. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 04:25, 10 August 2013 (PDT)

==Islam and science==

RU version of [http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://ru.wikiislam.net/wiki/%25D0%2598%25D1%2581%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BC_%25D0%25B8_%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B0%25D1%2583%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B0&usg=ALkJrhivqHLWYWvJRTYNTxAtRqmSjE0f_A Islam and Science] looks great. Nice work Claustrum. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 16:31, 16 October 2013 (PDT)

:Yeah, it's a completely different approach to the English one, but it's looking awesome.[[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 17:15, 16 October 2013 (PDT)

I'm helping to translate some articles like [[La Revelación de la Hijab]] and [[Preguntas sobre el Islam]] (Questions to Ask About Islam) and more, still on progress :) [[User:Aelu|Aelu]] ([[User talk:Aelu|talk]]) 13:12, 4 December 2014 (PST)

:Hi Aelu. Welcome to WikiIslam and thanks for deciding to translate for us. I have a couple of points/suggestions though:

==Categories & Incomplete Translations==

*[[:Category:Özbekcha (Uzbek)]] & [[:Category:Uzbek Templates]]

*An incomplete translation of [[Flat Earth and the Quran|Flat Earth and the Qur'an]] can be viewed here: [[Yassi Yer va Quron]]. Uzbek speaking editors/readers are welcome to help complete it.

Many thanks for mentioning Özbekcha on sidebar and creating Uzbek hub page. With at least [http://kun.uz/2013/09/28/odkl-2/ 1,5 million] Uzbeks online daily, Uzbek language is a must-have for WikiIslam. I hope more and more people will join in. [[User:Shrimp|Shrimp]] ([[User talk:Shrimp|talk]]) 05:15, 9 October 2013 (PDT)

:You're welcome. Yes, it would be great if we could get enough translations to open up a dedicated Uzbek WikiIslam sub-domain. We usually require about a front page's worth of translations (about 25-35 articles) and at least one regular and reliable editor before we move onto that. The reason why we like accurate translations to begin with is because it allows new editors in that particular language to understand the style, tone, quality, etc. that we expect in all languages. It also allows us to see if there are any users who would be suitable and willing to take on the responsibility of guiding the future direction of that sub-domain. Although our core principles will remain (no bigotry, politics, other religions or worldviews, etc.), once the initial translations are done, the new sub-domains are free to evolve separately to the English part. Our Russian sub-domain is doing great at the moment. It makes up an impressive percentage of readers. We were also expecting a French sub-domain because we have quite a few articles in that language, but unfortunately there was no one reliable to administer the site. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 05:33, 9 October 2013 (PDT)