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:That would be nice but there's only a few of us regular editors here and we dont have the time to chat or moderate chat. People are asked to go to forums on other websites. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 21:05, 28 January 2011 (PST)

I can't seem to find an article specifically on paradise - there's one for Jahannam but not for Jannah. I know the site's purpose is to criticize Islam but I think a pretty good case can be made against the Islamic heaven (sex slavery, no broadband etc.). I'm not a scholar of Islam so I'm reluctant to start one myself. -[[User:Orange124|Orange124]] 10:39, 2 June 2011 (PDT)

thanks

:Hi Ecks, thanks for your reply to my message on the FFI forum about that post you linked. The main problem is that there arent many editors on this site, its just me and Gabe right now and we dont have any time to work on this, so you'll have to do everything yourself but we can guide you. On the wiki you can make pages and links and tables and so on. There arent any database functions. 6000 verses means it will be a huge project for one person

:I saw the site you linked in your reply [http://www.cspipublishing.com/statistical/index.html], the graphs look good.

this project fizzled out. i learned alot but not worth the effort to finish, see the post mortem notes at FFI link about.  i guess this whole entry can be deleted ?

--[[User:Ecks why|Ecks why]] 14:07, 5 September 2011 (PDT)

:Thats ok, this will be archived when the we archive all the sections on this page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 14:44, 5 September 2011 (PDT)

::Terrific idea. Should be done sometime. -Haqir

I notice this website is neutral to biased against islam.

:This wiki is an independent one, so if you're trying to suggest there is some sort of connection with this site to other wikis, you'd be wrong. Doing a quick Google search, I found that there is a [http://wikichristian.org/index.php/Main_Page WikiChristian], and they are pro-Christian. It would be, considering it is obviously owned by a Christian and they make this clear by having a "Statement of Faith" and the first words you read on the main page is "Welcome to WikiChristian! God bless you."

:BTW, that has been covered in our FAQ already ([http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_is_the_religious_persuasion_of_the_contributors_to_WikiIslam.3F Link]). --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] 04:59, 13 March 2012 (PDT)

::This is a great display of how morally bankrupt pious Muslims can become. Deciding to fabricate a lie in an attempt to discredit the site (in a similar vein to how they tend to scream "[[Glossary_of_Islamic_Terms#C|Christian Missionary]]" at everyone, regardless of the critic's beliefs or occupation).

:::Just for the record, in his continuing campaign to spread lies about WikiIslam, the same Muslim has opened [http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121213004152AApgYUt another question] on Yahoo!Answers. This time he's claiming we are an Islamic site, but we called him a "moron" for his imaginary edits on an article related to science and banned him. Any user/reader here can check our related talk pages, edit summaries and block logs. Doing so would reveal that this claim is false. We expect editors to be civil to one another on this site. Calling another editor (Muslim or non-Muslim) a "moron" would in itself earn you a ban here. Oh, and we know this Y!A member reads our forum messages, so just for his benefit, science does not say [[Creation_of_Humans_from_Clay#The_Scientific_Hypothesis|man was created ''from'' clay]]. --[[User:Sahabah|Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 14:42, 20 December 2012 (PST)

WHY was the HISTORY OF JIHAD section removed? (anon IP)

:The HOJ series of articles was removed due to multiple reasons, one of them being use of inappropriate language and text that was not suitable for this site (specific quotes can be provided if needed). There were also no inline citations that would confirm the validity of what was being said (this is a core policy for our articles). There is also no known authorship. In other words, we don't know who wrote it. HOJ was imported to this site a long time ago and that time we had little content and no policies. HOJ used to exist on its own site [http://www.historyofjihad.org] but it looks like its offline right now. Here's one copy ---> http://islam-watch.org/HistoryOfJihad/index.html --[[User:Axius|Axius]] 13:19, 24 March 2012 (PDT)

::Anon will probably never see this message, but the History of Jihad site is back up. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 03:05, 2 August 2012 (PDT)

IS there a page regarding the details of arabic word nikah , which means "sexual intercourse" ? and why quran uses that word for marriage in several passages ?

:Hi anon. No, we haven't at the moment, but it's on our very log to-do list. You may be interested in [http://www.translatingjihad.com/2011/03/update-fatwa-it-is-permissible-to-have.html?showComment=1299979475816#c4843074915730208352 these comments/posts] by Greenforest that covers the meaning of nikah. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 23:27, 14 June 2012 (PDT)

This site is blocked in some countries; any chance of creating a mirror that might allow direct access without having to use a proxy service?

:The mirror would probably also be blocked eventually. They'll have to use proxy or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29 TOR]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 04:57, 20 June 2012 (PDT)

I've created my first article here (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quranic_Error:_Mary,_the_mother_of_Jesus_or_the_sister_of_Moses%3F)

Also, feel free to, if you're a native English speaker, fine tune my English here and there. Since English is not my first language, I doubt at times whether my style is recognizable and not too 'Dutch', if that makes sense. [[User:Truthseeker|Truthseeker]] ([[User talk:Truthseeker|talk]]) 12:38, 30 July 2012 (PDT)

It seems that the cmje.org website you refer to for Quran quotes is offline. Is this temporarily or should we start looking for a different Quran-quote template?

:Yea you're right its offline. I've written to the website owners and asked if its going to be back up. Otherwise there were some duplicate copies of that website on other places the last time I checked and we can switch. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 21:12, 30 July 2012 (PDT)

::Looks like they got the site back up: http://cmje.org/ . --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 10:15, 1 August 2012 (PDT)

:::They have been using another url: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/ They went from usc.edu to Cmje.org and then back to usc.edu. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:37, 28 August 2014 (PDT)

I have a question.

:Thanks for the offer! Much appreciated. I'm not aware of anything at the moment, but will let you know. There's always something on the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Tasks tasks page] if you find yourself at a loss for something to do (but note that some of the tasks may be out of date, so it would be best to check with us first). --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 05:27, 1 August 2012 (PDT)

I just red on line what  Saturday, 28 April 2012 the Al Arabia News wrote ( a newspaper owned by the Saudi king).

:Hi Szultan44. Such questions are better suited to the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum]. Open a thread under the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=22&sid=d49039027d61629d68981293d3281497 Islam: Questioned, Defended, & Explained] or [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=21&sid=d49039027d61629d68981293d3281497 The Quran and Hadith] sub forums, and you should receive an answer. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 13:35, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

My article http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Refuting_Apologists_Jews_Christians_and_Sabiens_can_go_to_heaven still have under construction template. Why ? <small>&mdash;The preceding [[WikiIslam:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Azdahaexm|contribs]]) {{#if:05:00, 3 September 2012|&#32;on 05:00, 3 September 2012|}} </small>

::::Thank you so much

I couldn't find "underline" option in Editor. Is is possible to add that ? --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 11:46, 4 September 2012 (PDT)

:I'm sure Axius could add that if need be, but (with the exception of our very own Prophet [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Farsideology Farside]) we don't really use underline in articles. We usually stick with using bold within quotes or otherwise italics for emphasis. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 12:57, 4 September 2012 (PDT)

:::Oh, cool. You could try adding italics to the bolded text like this:

:::How's that? --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 13:41, 4 September 2012 (PDT)

:::::Sorry. I hate saying no but I'll have to here. :( It's to keep our pages consistent in style and content (I think the underlining of text was seen as being messy and hard on the eyes). WikiIslam hasn't used underline in it's pages since 2006 (long before I ever made my first edit or even heard of the site). --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 02:13, 5 September 2012 (PDT)

:::::::Wikipedia has an Underline template [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Underline], which interestingly is not used much [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&limit=500&target=Template%3AUnderline&namespace=0]. On their manual of style it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#How_not_to_apply_emphasis says] ''"Underlining is used in typewriting and handwriting to represent italic type. Generally, do not underline text or it may be confused with links on a web page."'' (the links issue is also what I agree with too), so yes we're OK as we are without it. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:12, 5 September 2012 (PDT)

As we all know there is an emerging sect that claim to follow ONLY QURAN [Quranists]. Although there are many many refutations to Quranists for their claim that hadiths are not part of Islam or Quran was the only revelation but one of the most well documented and precise is at www.call-to-monotheism.com [islamic apologetic website]. Is it appropriate to create pages using this work to refute claims of Quranists ? I mean such kind of articles are appropriate for wikiislam ? --[[User:Azdahaexm|Azdahaexm]] ([[User talk:Azdahaexm|talk]]) 00:56, 8 September 2012 (PDT)

:On another note, I wanted to ask you is there a reason you use the Sahih International translation? We like to use either Yusuf Ali's, Marmaduke Pickthal's or M. H. Shakir's translations from the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Compendium_of_Muslim_Texts Compendium of Muslim Texts]. Would it be okay for me to change the Qur'an translations on the article to one of these? --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 03:49, 8 September 2012 (PDT)

I think this article is probably ready to go live.

My pages on Safiya and Mariya should not replace the existing pages, as the latter are analytical articles, whereas my pages are biographies. However, I have added links for further reading.[[User:1234567|1234567]] ([[User talk:1234567|talk]]) 21:23, 20 October 2012 (PDT)

:Great. As I mentioned previously, Axius will have to read through it before adding it. He's going to be busy for the next week or so and won't be logging in very often, so it will probably be after that. If it was a normal article, I could have done it but this is a massive addition. --[[User:Admin3|Admin3]] ([[User talk:Admin3|talk]]) 02:55, 21 October 2012 (PDT)

Hi,

:::My suggestion: The steps for you would be to go over what we have on our site and get an idea of the types of pages we have and then go to your blog one by one and see where you can add your content. We may not have some topics that you have. Then for example after checking the articles for September, you see that some stuff should be added on our site, let us know what you think you should do. The language should of course be changed to 3rd person. Sorry I could not give a detailed/helpful analysis of what should be done but I'm pressed for time. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 21:04, 11 December 2012 (PST)

Does your group or any group that you know of plan or have a Wiki devoted to criticisms of each major religion in the world?

[[Special:Contributions/97.85.168.22|97.85.168.22]] 17:49, 25 April 2013 (PDT)

While "WikiIslam is a community edited website which focuses on the critique of Islam" and while this site claims that most editors are truly atheists and agnosts and policies and content of this site reflect that "editors are advised that no region should be given priority over another", I suggest too: Would be a huge evidence of that to have critique of Islam by its similarities to Judaism and Christianity. Otherwise critique to Islam may fail, to collapse only into contradictory and hypocrisy. I suggest that this site includes on main page a region of that area and there articles of similarities of one god, attitude to women, attitude to gays, jesus as prophet of both, attitudes towards other religions and religious free people. There is in bible too marriage of Abraham with his half-sister or niece Sarah, father having sex ang gettin children with his daughters (Lot with his daughters in Genesis 19:33) and it is not condemned in bible - moreover there are over 10 stories of incestuous relationships in the bible. A critique that Islam is just one version of Abrahamic religions and very similar, would be very informative addition to this site. This site should make more clear statement on the main page, whether this site is objectively or subjectively critiq to islam. Is this site critiqs from other religion beliefs or from free of religions people to islam? Personally I think that religious people that criticize other religions of same things that their own religion does, are deep in un-credibility. --[[User:Oneofusall|Oneofusall]] ([[User talk:Oneofusall|talk]]) 05:39, 6 July 2015 (PDT)

:We stay away from criticizing (or praising in any way) other religions because we would not want to alienate various segments of the site visitors. Islam has a lot of issues on its own and people are free to investigate other religions from other sources. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:10, 8 July 2015 (PDT)

hi. who is admin of this site? if i want to build new article, can you help me ? [[User:Yahoo|Yahoo]] ([[User talk:Yahoo|talk]]) 08:04, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

:Hi Yahoo. Welcome to WikiIslam! There are many administrators/editors. I am one of them and will help in any way I can. Have a read through the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Policies_and_Guidelines policies]. When you're ready you can [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Help:Contents#How_to_Create_a_New_Page create a page here] or use a sandbox ([[User:Yahoo/Sandbox]]).[[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 10:05, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

and can someone give me classical islamic history book(ibn sa`d, tabari, waqedi, etc) and tafsir(tabari, etc) in english text ? i don't have them. [[User:Yahoo|Yahoo]] ([[User talk:Yahoo|talk]]) 11:33, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

how i can link to external web sites ? [[User:Yahoo|Yahoo]] ([[User talk:Yahoo|talk]]) 11:49, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

:hi Yahoo, we do have a [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Cite_web Cite web] and its used in a few articles but I still need to change its output format (its input format will still be identical to Wikipedia). We have a [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Template:Reference_archive reference archive] template but it only works with [http://www.webcitation.org/ WebCite]. I would say, use WebCite and use the reference archive template for now. Examples of use can be seen on the template page or in any of the [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Reference_archive usage] links.

:The article you made will need to have its headings capitalized. I think its a good idea. It will take time to look for all the links because there are so many and new ones are coming up all the time. I think if a fair number of links can be collected, the article can be presentable. Good luck with its completion. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 16:56, 21 May 2013 (PDT)

:#Qur'an in English: [http://www.islamawakened.com/Quran/ this] site provides 34 compared English translations, and [http://iknowledge.islamicnature.com/quran/surah/1/lang/englishliteral/ this] site provides the English literal translation

:#Hadiths in English: [http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/ Compendium of Muslim Texts], and [http://www.searchtruth.com/hadith_books.php this] site includes a few narrations that have been removed from the Compendium.

==Scientific Method==

A publicly editable web page purports that Alhazen was the father of modern scientific method. Though he may have made some advances in optics, I do not believe this is true. I am interested in improving the page. Who might be a more accurate figure of the same or earlier era, who contributed significantly to the development of scientific method? [[User:Devraj|Devraj]] ([[User talk:Devraj|talk]]) 20:28, 4 July 2013 (PDT)

:Hi Devraj. I did a quick Google search and could not find such a page. Anyhow, you can work on an article here: [[User:Devraj/Sandbox]]. This particular page is a response to a specific publication, so any article on Alhazen will have to be separate from it. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 20:46, 4 July 2013 (PDT)

Hi Sahabah,  

The page I'm referring to is Wikipedia's "Scientific Method" page. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method].I would appreciate any link to a source that shows that scientific experimentation was undertaken by those other than muslims who lived in the similar era as Alhazen. Other sources I read say the Christian world came up with true scientific method, but I cannot find the specific example(s) of those persons who supposedly did these experiments prior to Alhazen.

:If you look at the talk page for Wikipedia's Alhazen article[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alhazen#Misuse_of_sources], you'll see a lot of the claims are disputed because [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam,_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia Jagged 85] was a big contributor of the information there. We have our hub page concerning the "[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Golden_Age Golden Age]", but other than that, we would suggest going to the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum] if you have any questions. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 11:04, 5 July 2013 (PDT)

I'm becoming increasingly active in restoring the historical truth to various Wikipedia pages which were hijacked by Islamists. I am concerned as to whether it would be possible for someone to trace my IP address or my computer, and harm me. Are either of these a valid concern? If so I suppose I can be entirely safe by making my Wikipedia edits from a library or other public computer and public internet connection? {{unsigned|‎Devraj}}

:Its safe to get a username and edit from the username (just make sure you're logged in all the time) from any computer (home or elsewhere). Good luck. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 15:06, 19 July 2013 (PDT)

:That is basically an alarmist article. There's about 30-50K active editors on Wikipedia (more than 5 edits in the last 30 days) at any given time. Unless there's illegal activity (real threats of violence for example) there's no tracking and even then only authorities can access that tracking information. Wikipedia admins do have access (I think) if they have the checkuser right but its a small number of admins who do and they dont misuse that data. If you still have questions you can ask on Wikipedia or another internet forum. There are many editors editing Wikipedia with the alternate point of view about Islam, Unless an editor does something really illegal (terrorist threat or something) their identity is not and cannot be known. Again make sure you're logged on (important, otherwise your IP address will be recorded in that page's history). IP addresses can be known to admins but to trace that address to a real person requires a police permit and so on, which is only given if its an extreme case (e.g. violence, as I mentioned). To be safe, always do a "preview" on an edit before you submit it, to make sure your login is still active (sometimes the login goes inactive if the edit window was open for a long time). If you stay logged in, dont do anything illegal you'll be safe. Maybe [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&limit=500&hideliu=1 this] link might help - lots of people editing with IPs without any care, however again if you are concerned, you can make sure you are logged in and it will not be public. Once again, you should visit internet IT forums or ask Wikipedia for assistance for further clarifying these things. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 17:05, 19 July 2013 (PDT)

Thank you! That helps.

Hi. I wanted to share the news of the recent killing of an Indian social worker Sushmita Banerjee (later Syeda Kamal) by the Taliban. She had married an Afghan in the 80's. When she went to Afghanistan, she found out that he was already married. Then after facing oppression under the Taliban there, she fled but her in-laws recaptured her. She decided to do social work in Afghanistan but was recently executed by the Taliban who said "why did you write nasty things about us?"

{{reflist}}

:If you look at the contribs for [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Al-Qaum Al-Qaum], you can see stuff is added first to the [[Islam in the News]] page and then to the [[WikiIslam:Latest News]]. Please follow the formats (small amount of text from the news site, link formats, heading should reflect the news source etc). --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 10:10, 9 September 2013 (PDT)

::It's already been added to ''Islam in the News'' by Al-Qaum. See [[Islam in the News#Afghanistan: Militants shoot dead the Indian author of a popular book about her escape from the Taliban|here]]. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 12:27, 9 September 2013 (PDT)

::::Thanks Mahomet! [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 23:16, 12 September 2013 (PDT)

I would like to submit my testimony to this page http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:Form/newapostate

Under "current worldview", can you add the option of Bahá’í?<small>&mdash;Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:Golconda|Golconda]] ([[User talk:Golconda|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Golconda|contribs]]) {{#if:19:57, 16 March 2014 |&#32; 19:57, 16 March 2014 |}} ([[WikiIslam:Signatures#Signing_Posts|Remember to sign your comments]]) </small>

:Hi Golconda. Just submit your testimony and we'll add that for you. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 20:07, 16 March 2014 (PDT)

Without any citations, the "Islamic Golden Age" myth was added to other contributions during the Middle Ages.

Care to fix this with me? [[Special:Contributions/50.187.216.93|50.187.216.93]] 23:05, 16 June 2014 (PDT)

:I personally don't have enough time to do anything on Wikipedia (too much to do and its hard to maintain it with them contantly fighting to keep away anything truthful about Islam) but someone else might. This certain article [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age] doesnt look too long so it shouldnt be too hard to fix. I would suggest add the citation needed tag where you want to and wait a week before you remove those statements with a comment "removing unsourced statements. Had previously left in the Citation needed tag. Use talk page before restoring any statements". Relevant to this might be this article on our site [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 01:20, 17 June 2014 (PDT)

:::Its very difficult to clean up the mess created by the Muslim editor Jagged85 (he had 60K or 80K edits, most of which were intentionally misleading as their [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia investigation] showed). What you may be seeing or dealing with may be some of his work. The references will have to be checked. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:14, 19 June 2014 (PDT)

I am personally a Christian, but I have some sympathy for Islam, as I have many Muslim friends who have been quite helpful to me over the years.  I have shown them respect, and they have reciprocated. I do not pretend to know what is best for others, any more than I enjoy others pretending to know what is best for myself.  I was wondering, is this site meant to ultimately be purely scientific, letting the facts fall where they may, or is it meant to be biased against Islam, preferring to portray views that denigrate Islam whenever possible or convenient?  Thanks, [[User:Scottperry|Scottperry]] ([[User talk:Scottperry|talk]]) 12:55, 23 June 2014 (PDT)

:There's a verse in the Quran, 5:38 that says a thief's hands should be cut off. Islam cannot be reformed. If one verse is to be rejected then the whole Quran can be rejected.

:This site focuses on criticism of Islam. You can have a good look around first. Start from the [[site map]].

:Being biased against Islam is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of because Islam itself is biased against non-Muslims like me and you since it says we will all burn in Hell for not accepting it (Quran 48:13). Your Muslim friends may be nice people but if they think a thief's hands should not be cut off (Quran 5:38), if they think a wife should not be beaten for disobedience (Quran 4:34), if they dont believe that virgins in Heaven are large breasted (Quran 78:33) then they are not really Muslims and are not believing in actual Quranic verses. They are choosing to reject those verses or defend them in some way.

:But do tell us what can be done differently or if you have any suggestions. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:20, 23 June 2014 (PDT)

::At any rate, I don't know if I'll be a very good "fit" here, but I'll try a few edits and see what happens.  My "debt" to Islam, as a Christian, is that no less than twice, my life was literally saved by Muslims!  Don't ask me why, I couldn't say.  So long as you guys are fundamentally honest about your criticisms against Islam here, which we shall see, I shall be happy to contribute here.  Thanks, [[User:Scottperry|Scottperry]] ([[User talk:Scottperry|talk]]) 19:32, 23 June 2014 (PDT)

:::Ok. Well that is all good stuff for debate.

:::::''This is one of the most important factors to take into consideration. If you are going to criticize a holy book for what you believe it advocates to its followers, then you must read the text like a believer would. If a book contains a large amount of violence in it but finishes by telling its readers in the second half of the book to be pacifists and behave like cute little bunny rabbits, does it advocate violence or pacifism? Of course, the answer is that it advocates pacifism. Likewise if a book begins by describing pacifism but finishes by telling its readers to "slay the unbelievers wherever you find them", that book logically advocates violence.''

:::::"''There are many verses in the Qur'an that label Christians and Jews as disbelievers, and numerous more that explicitly condemn them and other disbelievers to Hell. There is scholarly consensus on the fact that Christians and Jews are viewed by Islam as kafirs, because of "the clear nature of the texts about this".''

:::::''Additionally, the non-Muslims who do make it into Paradise will only be used as sex-slaves by believing men, Muslims who themselves will be spared hell-fire by Allah on the Day of Resurrection by making innocent Christians and Jews take their place and be thrown into Hell.''" [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Christians_Jews_and_Muslims_in_Heaven (Link)] [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:02, 8 August 2014 (PDT)

Hello. I looked at the links to the Hadiths concerning killing dogs and restricting to killing black dogs from this page: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#Killing_Dogs

I think the hadiths are Abu-Dawud: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/016-sat.php [[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 5:18, 27 August 2014 (GMT)

It was the bottom two hadiths under "The Black Dog is a Devil". Sahih Muslim 16:2840 and Sahih Muslim 16:2839 do not lead to the hadiths quoted, but I found the hadiths in their entirety in Abu-Dawud. You can find them at the top of the page here: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/016-sat. I believe that the two Hadith collections were mixed up in the post.[[User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 20:11, 30 August 2014 (GMT)

:Oh ok, yea I see it now. I fixed those now [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#The_Black_Dog_is_a_Devil]. Thanks! --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 15:58, 30 August 2014 (PDT)

SerUm, I checked and it still says and goes to Sahih MMuslim. [User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 16:25, 31 August 2014 (GMT)

:Nope, it should be fixed. Check [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Inspired_by_Muhammad&diff=109583&oldid=98757#The_Black_Dog_is_a_Devil this]. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:05, 31 August 2014 (PDT)

Sorry. My mistake. My computer wasn't working correctly or something. I see it now. :) [User:Paul99|Paul99]] ([[User talk:Paul99|talk]]) 1:51, 1 September 2014 (GMT)

Hi, i would like firstly to thank you for the great work. This site helped me a lot during my years of doubt about islam. And i ll give you some feedback from a reader's perspective :

Cheers --[[User:Einstein reason|ArabSagan]] ([[User talk:Einstein reason|talk]]) 08:49, 8 October 2014 (PDT)

*I prefer a template to portal for all the scientific errors and abrogations but who will bell the cat? New editors are not allowed to edit mainspace. Axius is too busy for long long time and nothing is getting reviewed. Your blank confession will also stay like that. Yes French translations are welcome. Our message must get to France and the whole of French West Africa. [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 13:08, 8 October 2014 (PDT)

::Hi. I'm happy to hear you found this site useful. Concerning your queries:

:*Then there is the Site Map which you call "unergonomic". That surprises me a lot, since I cannot think of a more comfortable or easier way of navigating the entire site from a single page.

So.....arab inventions or innovations/improvements on already existing stuff doesn't matter? Sure some of the inventors could've been from other religions, but the fact remains they were all ARABS. I feel this article tries to discredit arab inventions no matter what faith they are. This is the same thing that happens in the US with black inventors, since they are a minority their inventions get attributed to whites no matter what.

:Are you talking about [[How Islamic Inventors Did Not Change The World]]? The article is about claims made for "Islamic inventors", not Arab or non-Arab. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:16, 27 November 2014 (PST)

::Assuming the anon is being genuine and not simply trying to disguise an incorrect statement within a question, I would also be very interested in knowing what article they are referring to. None of what is written by our editors try to deny Arab contributions to science. In fact we make a point of mentioning that Arabs, just like every other ethnic group on this planet, have provided the world with their fair share of scientific advances. And depending on the anon's level of ignorance (and whatever article they may be referring to), even the statement that "the fact remains they were all ARABS," may be incorrect. For example, many Egyptians, Lebanese, Iranians, Syrians, etc., may speak Arabic in some form or another, but they are not ethnically Arab, nor do they consider themselves as Arabs. In fact, many of them view being called an Arab a personal insult. That hasn't stopped Islamic propagandists from depicting them as such. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 19:21, 27 November 2014 (PST)

:''"anything that is related to jews"'' - Sounds like an attempt for us to stop using a reliable source so the content can become less reliable. The reliability is explained on the wiki page [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Compendium_of_Muslim_Texts]. Assuming the inquiry is genuine:

:No data on our site is fake. You can search any hadith/verse and find the exact quotes on many other websites. The USC database was chosen because it was hosted on an educational institution's server and additional reasons are mentioned on that wiki page I linked. It used to be the website for the MSA at that university originally and currently its the Muslim-engagement center website. That doesnt effect its reliability in any way. People are free to crosscheck the hadiths and verses on other websites.

:''"until i tell them that they can check the authenticity of the quotes with clicking on the references"'' - they are visiting a website and a website is supposed to have links by default. People dont need to be told that they should click the links on a page. When someone claims a website has fake information you should challenge that statement because you know that in this case that is a false statement that has no basis. You will get better in debate with time. Additional information about the sources is in our [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Sources_Used FAQ]. The FAQ page is linked on every page on the left. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 11:52, 2 December 2014 (PST)

I was looking at the "Jihad is Perpetual" subtopic of [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Fighting Non-Muslims]] and tried to navigate to the link to Sunan Abu Dawud Chapter 14, hadith 2526 specified there.  However, it appears that USC has removed the Jihad chapter from Sunan Abu Dawud, and the link goes to Chapter 13 on fasting instead.

Oddly, that hadith number is 2484, so there seems to be inconsistent hadith numbering scheme between what's specified in the wikiislam link and the one at sunnah.com.  The convention used at sunnah.com seems to match up with the translation I have by Nasiruddin al-Khattab.

:Indeed you are right, it is not there anymore. I have it in my local copy so yes it was removed from their website. Not sure what to do right now so I'm just going to add this to on our tasks page for now. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 14:04, 14 March 2015 (PDT)

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Unreliable_hadeeths

--[[User:Dare4|Dare4]] ([[User talk:Dare4|talk]]) 13:43, 14 March 2015 (PDT)

:Not sure what you are asking for. Can you clarify further? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:57, 14 March 2015 (PDT)

::Hi Dare4. Have you actually looked at the state of the page you created? What would make you think it's okay to take it out of the sandbox and put it in our mainspace looking like that? I've deleted that page anyhow. We already have a page that covers all those and many more (see [[List of Fabricated Hadith|here]]). Use the Site map or search function to avoid such a situation in the future. Please also read and follow the directions on [[WikiIslam:Message to New Users]] before making any further contributions. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:26, 14 March 2015 (PDT)

Has anybody ever combined the Qur'an, Hadith, and Ishaq/Tabari into a single, chronologically ordered document?

The Wikislam entry is deceptive and innaccurate.

I am not a Muslim, but I consider it churlish to falsely represent a religion in a negative way. It's un-American. And most people would agree with me.

ALL LINKS TO VERSES @ usc.edu ARE DEAD. Either a new site must be found, or a possible solution might be to link to an archived version of the pages through one (or more) of the following:

[[User:Yaakovaryeh|Yaakovaryeh]] ([[User talk:Yaakovaryeh|talk]]) 17:08, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

Please update HTTP links to QuranX.com to HTTPS.

:Thanks for the suggestion (the wikiislam site itself was recently moved to https too). This has now been done. The relevant templates are all included on https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Category:Islamic_text_templates [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 16:23, 3 August 2018 (UTC)