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:If you look at the talk page for Wikipedia's Alhazen article[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alhazen#Misuse_of_sources], you'll see a lot of the claims are disputed because [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam,_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia Jagged 85] was a big contributor of the information there. We have our hub page concerning the "[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Golden_Age Golden Age]", but other than that, we would suggest going to the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum] if you have any questions. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 11:04, 5 July 2013 (PDT)
:If you look at the talk page for Wikipedia's Alhazen article[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alhazen#Misuse_of_sources], you'll see a lot of the claims are disputed because [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam,_Science_and_the_Problems_at_Wikipedia Jagged 85] was a big contributor of the information there. We have our hub page concerning the "[http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Golden_Age Golden Age]", but other than that, we would suggest going to the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum] if you have any questions. [[User:Sahabah|--Sahabah]] ([[User talk:Sahabah|talk]]) 11:04, 5 July 2013 (PDT)


==Inspired by Muhammad: Dog Hadiths==
==Dog Hadiths==


Hello. I looked at the links to the Hadiths concerning killing dogs and restricting to killing black dogs from this page: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#Killing_Dogs
Hello. I looked at the links to the Hadiths concerning killing dogs and restricting to killing black dogs from this page: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Inspired_by_Muhammad#Killing_Dogs
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::C) Translations are most welcome. I'm assuming you read those pages I provided you a while ago, but if you need further help, you can ask Axius or I (if I'm around) for help. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:46, 8 October 2014 (PDT)
::C) Translations are most welcome. I'm assuming you read those pages I provided you a while ago, but if you need further help, you can ask Axius or I (if I'm around) for help. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:46, 8 October 2014 (PDT)
==Arab inventions==
So.....arab inventions or innovations/improvements on already existing stuff doesn't matter? Sure some of the inventors could've been from other religions, but the fact remains they were all ARABS. I feel this article tries to discredit arab inventions no matter what faith they are. This is the same thing that happens in the US with black inventors, since they are a minority their inventions get attributed to whites no matter what.
:Are you talking about [[How Islamic Inventors Did Not Change The World]]? The article is about claims made for "Islamic inventors", not Arab or non-Arab. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 10:16, 27 November 2014 (PST)
::Assuming the anon is being genuine and not simply trying to disguise an incorrect statement within a question, I would also be very interested in knowing what article they are referring to. None of what is written by our editors try to deny Arab contributions to science. In fact we make a point of mentioning that Arabs, just like every other ethnic group on this planet, have provided the world with their fair share of scientific advances. And depending on the anon's level of ignorance (and whatever article they may be referring to), even the statement that "the fact remains they were all ARABS," may be incorrect. For example, many Egyptians, Lebanese, Iranians, Syrians, etc., may speak Arabic in some form or another, but they are not ethnically Arab, nor do they consider themselves as Arabs. In fact, many of them view being called an Arab a personal insult. That hasn't stopped Islamic propagandists from depicting them as such. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 19:21, 27 November 2014 (PST)
==Editing the description of the website.==
I ve been using wiki-islam's links when debating online, specially the"quran, hadith and scholars" pages. And always the first response is: wikiislam is an anti-islam website  so they are lying (aka using fake data) , until i tell them that they can check the authenticity of the quotes with clicking on the references. So if that was said in the description under the title of the articles, it will be a good thing for the credibility of th website.
Also i'm sure this have been already discussed but i think that you should avoid using usc's database since you know how muslims are untrustful of anything that is related to jews, but i don't know what are your options or if it is easy to fix.
:''"anything that is related to jews"'' - Sounds like an attempt for us to stop using a reliable source so the content can become less reliable. The reliability is explained on the wiki page [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Compendium_of_Muslim_Texts]. Assuming the inquiry is genuine:
:During the debate did you investigate how true this claim is? People will use any excuse they can. The 3 Quran translations are well known and the hadiths are from Bukhari, Muslim and others (6 hadith collections). Ask them if they know of any reliable Quran/hadith websites. The answer is usually "Just ignore all the websites. Consult with a real Islamic scholar" which we know is a cop-out.
:No data on our site is fake. You can search any hadith/verse and find the exact quotes on many other websites. The USC database was chosen because it was hosted on an educational institution's server and additional reasons are mentioned on that wiki page I linked. It used to be the website for the MSA at that university originally and currently its the Muslim-engagement center website. That doesnt effect its reliability in any way. People are free to crosscheck the hadiths and verses on other websites.
:''"until i tell them that they can check the authenticity of the quotes with clicking on the references"'' - they are visiting a website and a website is supposed to have links by default. People dont need to be told that they should click the links on a page. When someone claims a website has fake information you should challenge that statement because you know that in this case that is a false statement that has no basis. You will get better in debate with time. Additional information about the sources is in our [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Frequently_Asked_Questions#Sources_Used FAQ]. The FAQ page is linked on every page on the left. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 11:52, 2 December 2014 (PST)


=="Jihad is Perpetual" subtopic has bad link==
=="Jihad is Perpetual" subtopic has bad link==
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:Indeed you are right, it is not there anymore. I have it in my local copy so yes it was removed from their website. Not sure what to do right now so I'm just going to add this to on our tasks page for now. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 14:04, 14 March 2015 (PDT)
:Indeed you are right, it is not there anymore. I have it in my local copy so yes it was removed from their website. Not sure what to do right now so I'm just going to add this to on our tasks page for now. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 14:04, 14 March 2015 (PDT)
==New article==
Help ! I would like to create a new article. I don't see it. It's always in the sandbox.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Sandbox/Unreliable_hadeeths
--[[User:Dare4|Dare4]] ([[User talk:Dare4|talk]]) 13:43, 14 March 2015 (PDT)
:Not sure what you are asking for. Can you clarify further? --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:57, 14 March 2015 (PDT)
::Hi Dare4. Have you actually looked at the state of the page you created? What would make you think it's okay to take it out of the sandbox and put it in our mainspace looking like that? I've deleted that page anyhow. We already have a page that covers all those and many more (see [[List of Fabricated Hadith|here]]). Use the Site map or search function to avoid such a situation in the future. Please also read and follow the directions on [[WikiIslam:Message to New Users]] before making any further contributions. Thanks. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 15:26, 14 March 2015 (PDT)


==Question about Islamic Texts==
==Question about Islamic Texts==
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:As far as I know it hasnt been done. I think the problem is that there's no knowledge of what happened when, so there could be a lot of variation and no one could say that their version of events is right. Maybe if someone only used important events for which they definitely knew the dates they could try. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:12, 18 August 2015 (PDT)--[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:12, 18 August 2015 (PDT)
:As far as I know it hasnt been done. I think the problem is that there's no knowledge of what happened when, so there could be a lot of variation and no one could say that their version of events is right. Maybe if someone only used important events for which they definitely knew the dates they could try. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:12, 18 August 2015 (PDT)--[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:12, 18 August 2015 (PDT)


==On the subject of Islam and Chess==
==All links to verses @ usc.edu are dead==
 
The Wikislam entry is deceptive and innaccurate.
"Many worried chess would be banned by the "Qur'an" an Islamic law banning gambling. Chess become very popular after their theologians decided that chess playing wasn't contrary to the teachings of Mohammed. This decision took about 100 years and illustrates the curious power of a simple game. After the official decision that there was no harm in chess, the Moslems created a greatly detailed literature about it."
 
The Islamic prophet Mohammed did not say Chess was forbidden, a ccording to a Hadith (not Qu'ran) he is said to have compared dice to eating pork, because it was gambling.
Not Chess. The Hadiths are not official Islamic doctrine.
Furthermore, Chess was actually invented by the Moors in Spain, earlier versions bore little resemblance to the present game as we know it.
There are no real pre-Islamic artifacts attributable to "Chess" just as there is no evidence of the Kingdom of someone named "David".
In fact, 15th to 17th century Christians said the same thing about the game of chess as Muslims, that it is harmless unless it consumes an inordinate amount of one's time.
Also, there is no evidence that Zoroastrians rather tham Muslims developed the game in early Persia.
I have to say, I read wikislam and get the overwhelming impression that, rather than a scholarly site meant to serve as a source of accurate info on Islam, that it is a polemic endeavor, a hostile, agenda-driven vehicle...not just in the various glaring innaccuracies, but in the general tone and often unscholarly asides.
I am not a Muslim, but I consider it churlish to falsely represent a religion in a negative way. It's un-American. And most people would agree with me.
 
==ALL LINKS TO VERSES @ usc.edu ARE DEAD==


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