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:One other missing point that could be added in terms of the function of pegs issue is that pegs fasten one thing to another. While not obvious to some people from the images, it's worth pointing out that the mountains ''are'' part of the crust (not separate material like a peg) and they just go deeper into the mantel, which is molten and not a solid mass to which the mountains are fastening anything.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 03:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
:One other missing point that could be added in terms of the function of pegs issue is that pegs fasten one thing to another. While not obvious to some people from the images, it's worth pointing out that the mountains ''are'' part of the crust (not separate material like a peg) and they just go deeper into the mantel, which is molten and not a solid mass to which the mountains are fastening anything.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 03:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)


:Your response is Highly appreciable. You have made very good and strong points.  
::Your response is Highly appreciable. You have made very good and strong points.
(1) Your criticism of the tradition of History is Yaqubi is correct and it does praise Muhammad later.
 
(2) What do you think about the verse of "placing the mountains from above"? Could it be used?
(1) Your criticism of the tradition of History is Yaqubi is correct and it does praise Muhammad later. It should be removed.  
(3) Regarding Verse 70:4. Yes, Muslims will use it as an excuse. But question is if we should step back and let them go away by making such excuse, or will it be BENEFICIAL if we counter their excuse with arguments/proofs? For example, we could refute the verse 70:4 by saying: "The Critics point out that vIt sereems to me that we have better proofs and better chances as compared to the Muslim on the back foot on this issue. Please note, I am not talking about the "absolute proof/chance", but about having "better proof/chance" than the other side.  
 
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(2) Regarding Verse 70:4. Yes, Muslims will use it as an excuse. Your suggestion is also acceptable to leave it till the mention of Quranic verse of 6 days creation, or the hadith from Sahih Muslim which claims it was the 2nd day of creation when the mountains were created.
could be used to claim that there are contradictions and Quran and it was a human writing, and thus
Nevertheless, still a question is if we should step back and let them go away by making such excuse of 70:4, or will it be BENEFICIAL if we counter their excuse with arguments/proofs?  
Issue is that this Quranic verse 70:4 is still not SPECIFICALLY proving that the time with Allah is "unspecified". Thus this Muslim claim of "unspecified time" is not Strong enough.
And we could refute the verse 70:4 by saying: "The Critics point out that verse 70:4 is a contradiction in Quran itself, which shows that the writer of Quran is a human, and he himself forgot that he declared the day with him equal to 1000 years of human reckoning at other place".
It may not sound as an absolute proof, but it is  '''OUR correct position''' on this issue, and it should be thus mentioned merely alone on the basis of what we really believe.
 
(3) Regarding Ahadith and Tafasir: Yes off course they could not contradict the Quranic Verse, but the issue is that Quranic Verse is itself not supporting the Muslim claim that the time is "unspecified". It is not a proof from Muslims, but it is counted as a statement/conjecture. And this statement could indeed be rejected by Ahadith and the Tafasir, who all confirm that all the Sahaba pointed out that Quran mentioned the "specified" time of human reckoning during the process of creation.
Our proof becomes more powerful as all the Ahadith and Tafasir also confirm that sahaba were of the same opinion too.  
Please note, I am not talking about the "absolute proofs", but about having "'''better proofse'''" than the other side.  
 
(4) Bulleted proofs could be removed, or I search further and find out when the first mountain was formed and for how long did the earth stay in the molten state.At every cost, it seems that if would be much longer period than the 6x1000 years, or even 6x50000 years.
 
And at the end, I want to make it clear that I have absolutely no problem if all the edits are reversed. I wholeheartedly welcome this move too if admins believe it to be more beneficial. I have ZERO Ego in this regard and fully accept the authority of admins without getting upset. So please feel free in editing, deleting any of my stuff. Thanks.
 
[[User:Lehrasap|Lehrasap]] ([[User talk:Lehrasap|talk]]) 18:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
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