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=== The Soul (nafs) ===
=== The Soul (nafs) ===
Similar to other religions a vague concept of the soul causing life appears in the Qur'an, in a context that matches the 7th century environment; '''unlike the personality that make us unique''' '''primarily coming from the brain'''  Alongside the outdated idea of [[Cardiocentric hypothesis|cardiocentrism]] ''(see: [[Scientific Errors in the Quran#Functions of the heart (cardiocentrism)|Scientific Errors in the Quran - Functions of the heart (cardiocentism)]])'', where the heart was believed to be responsible for thought as opposed to the brain, we see this imagery furthered as the heart being the literal seat of the mythical soul in the body, that rises to the throat at death. This was a common belief in antiquity (Get academic paper - history of the soul said to be in the heart - ancient Egyptians 7 Aristotle)
Similar to other religions a vague concept of the soul causing life appears in the Qur'an, in a context that matches the 7th century environment; '''unlike the personality that make us unique''' '''primarily coming from the brain'''  Alongside the outdated idea of [[Cardiocentric hypothesis|cardiocentrism]] ''(see: [[Scientific Errors in the Quran#Functions of the heart (cardiocentrism)|Scientific Errors in the Quran - Functions of the heart (cardiocentism)]])'', where the heart was believed to be responsible for thought as opposed to the brain, we see this imagery furthered as the heart being the literal seat of the mythical soul in the body, that rises to the throat at death. This was a common belief in antiquity, e.g. ancient Egyptians<ref>[https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2013/dec/05/books-advent-calendar-5-soul-ancient-egypt 5: Components of the soul in ancient Egypt.] The Guardian. Barnaby Rogerson. 2013</ref> and Greeks.<ref>[https://www.thecollector.com/ancient-greek-theories-of-the-human-soul/ Ancient Greek Theories Of The Human Soul.] The Collector. Danielle Mackay</ref>(Get academic paper - history of the soul said to be in the heart - ancient Egyptians 7 Aristotle)


clavicles definition: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/16877-clavicle
clavicles definition: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/16877-clavicle
E.g.
(before 75:26 talking about judgement day)
{{Quote|{{Quran|75|26}}|Yes, when the soul reaches to the clavicles}}{{Quote|{{Quran|56|83}}|Then why not when it reaches the throat,}}
{{Quote|{{Quran|75|26}}|Yes, when the soul reaches to the clavicles}}{{Quote|{{Quran|56|83}}|Then why not when it reaches the throat,}}
As Neuwirth (2023) notes:
As Neuwirth (2023) notes:
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=== Jobe (Ayyūb) ===
=== Jobe (Ayyūb) ===
Though he doesn't seem to perform any miracles directly like Jesus or Moses in the Qur'an, Allah instructs him to strike the ground with his foot, and a spring of water emerges, which heals him in Qur'an 38:42. This might be considered a divine blessing or sign rather than a miracle performed by Jobe himself.
Though he doesn't seem to perform any miracles directly like Jesus or Moses in the Qur'an, Allah instructs him to strike the ground with his foot, and a spring of water emerges, which heals him.<ref>See commentaries on [https://quranx.com/tafsirs/38.42 verse 38:42]</ref> This might be considered a divine blessing or sign rather than a miracle performed by Jobe himself.


{{Quote|{{Quran|38|42}}|[We told him:] ‘Stamp your foot on the ground; this [ensuing spring] will be a cooling bath and drink.’}}
{{Quote|{{Quran|38|42}}|[We told him:] ‘Stamp your foot on the ground; this [ensuing spring] will be a cooling bath and drink.’}}
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{{Main|Isa al-Masih (Jesus Christ)}}
{{Main|Isa al-Masih (Jesus Christ)}}
==== Born from Mary (Mariam) who was a virgin ====
==== Born from Mary (Mariam) who was a virgin ====
Like the bible, and other pagan mythologies,<ref>[https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/11161 Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan, Guys.] Get Over It. PhD Richard Carrier.  2016.</ref> Jesus is also born from a virgin. Provided by the holy spirit (al-Ruh al-Qudus), usually taken as a reference the angel Gabriel here. Given he is not the son of God, it is unclear what the purpose of this is.{{Quote|{{Quran|19|17-21}}|Thus did she seclude herself from them, whereupon We sent to her Our Spirit and he became incarnate for her as a well-proportioned human. She said, ‘I seek the protection of the All-beneficent from you, should you be Godwary!’ He said, ‘I am only a messenger of your Lord that I may give you a pure son.’
Like the bible, and other pagan mythologies,<ref>[https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/11161 Virgin Birth: It’s Pagan, Guys.] Get Over It. PhD Richard Carrier.  2016.</ref> Jesus is also born from a virgin, provided by the holy spirit; usually taken as a reference the angel Gabriel here. Given he is not the son of God, it is unclear what the purpose of this is.{{Quote|{{Quran|19|17-21}}|Thus did she seclude herself from them, whereupon We sent to her Our Spirit and he became incarnate for her as a well-proportioned human. She said, ‘I seek the protection of the All-beneficent from you, should you be Godwary!’ He said, ‘I am only a messenger of your Lord that I may give you a pure son.’
She said, ‘How shall I have a child seeing that no human being has ever touched me, nor have I been unchaste?’ He said, ‘So shall it be. Your Lord says, ‘‘It is simple for Me.’’ And so that We may make him a sign for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter [already] decided.’}}{{Quote|{{Quran|66|12}}|And the example of Maryam the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity – We therefore breathed into her a Spirit from Ourselves – and she testified for the Words of her Lord and His Books, and was among the obedient.}}
She said, ‘How shall I have a child seeing that no human being has ever touched me, nor have I been unchaste?’ He said, ‘So shall it be. Your Lord says, ‘‘It is simple for Me.’’ And so that We may make him a sign for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter [already] decided.’}}{{Quote|{{Quran|66|12}}|And the example of Maryam the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity – We therefore breathed into her a Spirit from Ourselves – and she testified for the Words of her Lord and His Books, and was among the obedient.}}
==== Jesus talking from his Cradle ====
==== Jesus talking from his Cradle ====
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Luq'mān - believed to be a common pre-Islamic sage, though his identity is disputed,<ref name=":1">''Encyclopedia of the Qur'an. pp. 242-243.'' A.H.M. Zahniser. 2021.
Luq'mān - believed to be a common pre-Islamic sage, though his identity is disputed,<ref name=":1">''Encyclopedia of the Qur'an. pp. 242-243.'' A.H.M. Zahniser. 2021.


Pages (1458-1460/3956) of [https://archive.org/details/encyclopaedia-of-the-quran-6-volumes-jane-dammen-mc-auliffe/page/n1457/mode/2up?q=luqman free book on Intranet Archive]</ref> and may simply be an amalgamation of different characters, as local Arabian tales are brought into salvation history.<ref>E.g. the destruction of Thamūd, see:  Sinai, Nicolai. “[https://almuslih.org/wp-content/uploads/Library/Sinai,%20N%20-%20Religious%20poetry.pdf Religious Poetry from the Quranic Milieu: Umayya b. Abī l-Ṣalt on the Fate of the Thamūd.]” ''Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies'' 74, no. 3 (2011): 397–416. <nowiki>https://doi.org/10.1017/S0041977X11000309</nowiki>.</ref>  
Pages (1458-1460/3956) of [https://archive.org/details/encyclopaedia-of-the-quran-6-volumes-jane-dammen-mc-auliffe/page/n1457/mode/2up?q=luqman free book on Intranet Archive]</ref> and may simply be an amalgamation of different characters, as local Arabian tales are brought into salvation history.<ref>E.g. the destruction of Thamūd, see:  Sinai, Nicolai. “[https://almuslih.org/wp-content/uploads/Library/Sinai,%20N%20-%20Religious%20poetry.pdf Religious Poetry from the Quranic Milieu: Umayya b. Abī l-Ṣalt on the Fate of the Thamūd.]” ''Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies'' 74, no. 3 (2011): 397–416. <nowiki>https://doi.org/10.1017/S0041977X11000309</nowiki>.</ref> In the Qur'an God gives him a special widsom (''al-ḥik'mata)''<ref>''[https://lexicon.quranic-research.net/data/06_H/152_Hkm.html ḥā kāf mīm (ح ك م)]'' root on Qur'anic Research.net
 
In the Qur'an God gives him a special widsom (''al-ḥik'mata)''<ref>''[https://lexicon.quranic-research.net/data/06_H/152_Hkm.html ḥā kāf mīm (ح ك م)]'' root on Qur'anic Research.net


See: Lane's Lexicon classical Arabic dictionary Book 1 [https://lexicon.quranic-research.net/pdf/Page_0617.pdf pp.617] & [https://lexicon.quranic-research.net/pdf/Page_0618.pdf pp.618] </ref> although most agree that he was still not a prophet.<ref name=":1" />  
See: Lane's Lexicon classical Arabic dictionary Book 1 [https://lexicon.quranic-research.net/pdf/Page_0617.pdf pp.617] & [https://lexicon.quranic-research.net/pdf/Page_0618.pdf pp.618] </ref> although most classical Islamic scholars agree that he was still not a prophet.<ref name=":1" />  


{{Quote|{{Quran|31|12-13}}|And We had certainly given Luqman wisdom [and said], "Be grateful to Allah." And whoever is grateful is grateful for [the benefit of] himself. And whoever denies [His favor] - then indeed, Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy. And [mention, O Muhammad], when Luqman said to his son while he was instructing him, "O my son, do not associate [anything] with Allah. Indeed, association [with him] is great injustice."}}
{{Quote|{{Quran|31|12-13}}|And We had certainly given Luqman wisdom [and said], "Be grateful to Allah." And whoever is grateful is grateful for [the benefit of] himself. And whoever denies [His favor] - then indeed, Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy. And [mention, O Muhammad], when Luqman said to his son while he was instructing him, "O my son, do not associate [anything] with Allah. Indeed, association [with him] is great injustice."}}
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[https://scijinks.gov/rain/ What Makes It Rain?] Water and Ice. NOAA SciJinks.gov </ref> condensing onto one another within a cloud, causing the droplets to grow - which when these water droplets get too heavy to stay suspended in the cloud, they fall to Earth as rain (cf: {{Quran|43|11}}).
[https://scijinks.gov/rain/ What Makes It Rain?] Water and Ice. NOAA SciJinks.gov </ref> condensing onto one another within a cloud, causing the droplets to grow - which when these water droplets get too heavy to stay suspended in the cloud, they fall to Earth as rain (cf: {{Quran|43|11}}).
*''Similar to pre-sialmic poetry (Sinai citation) wind is described as being sent by God, rather than scientific process off https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/wind/ predictability.''
* ''And bring down rain?  Rain-Giver, Bone-Breaker, Score-Settler: Allāh in Pre-Quranic Poetry, New Haven, Connecticut: American Oriental Society, 2019. Essay 15. Nicolai Sinai. (https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:977914cb-d783-4949-aed4-f0b6c2eaa562/files/m34f1a166246ec073a79d42ea09d9cc1a<nowiki/>)''


==== Lightning ====
==== Lightning ====
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{{Quote|{{Quran|13|15}}|To Allah prostrates whoever there is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and their shadows at sunrise and sunset.}}Everything in the cosmos (presumably covering the vast amounts of near-empty space and elements) worships and prostrates before him, as does every animal and angel, all allegedly fearing God ({{Quran|16|49-50}}, {{Quran|22|18}}), including the birds, which do so while flying ({{Quran|24|41}}), and trees ({{Quran|55|6}}).
{{Quote|{{Quran|13|15}}|To Allah prostrates whoever there is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and their shadows at sunrise and sunset.}}Everything in the cosmos (presumably covering the vast amounts of near-empty space and elements) worships and prostrates before him, as does every animal and angel, all allegedly fearing God ({{Quran|16|49-50}}, {{Quran|22|18}}), including the birds, which do so while flying ({{Quran|24|41}}), and trees ({{Quran|55|6}}).


==== Inanimate objects refused the task of being Gods followers, but humans accepted ====
==== Inanimate objects refused the task of being God's followers, but humans accepted ====
It is hard to know what was meant by this or why Allah would offer an inanimate object with no biology for consciousness that he already knew couldn't answer the task, nor how they refused it. Some classical Islamic commentaries say they could speak at the time.<ref>E.g. Al-Jalalayn on verse [https://quranx.com/Tafsir/Jalal/33.72 33:72]</ref>'''Ibn Kathir doesn't mention that but took it literally).'''  
It is hard to know what was meant by this or why Allah would offer an inanimate object with no biology for consciousness that he already knew couldn't answer the task, nor how they refused it. Some classical Islamic commentaries say they could speak at the time.<ref>E.g. Al-Jalalayn on verse [https://quranx.com/Tafsir/Jalal/33.72 33:72]</ref>   


It is hard to see why humans would accept this task with the risk of hell being involved, given our natural propensity for risk aversion as a species.<ref>Kahneman, Daniel, and Amos Tversky. “Prospect Theory: An Analysis of Decision under Risk.” ''Econometrica'', vol. 47, no. 2, 1979, pp. 263–91. ''JSTOR'', <nowiki>https://doi.org/10.2307/1914185</nowiki>. Accessed 14 Feb. 2025.
It is hard to see why humans would accept this task with the risk of hell being involved, given our natural propensity for risk aversion as a species.<ref>Kahneman, Daniel, and Amos Tversky. “Prospect Theory: An Analysis of Decision under Risk.” ''Econometrica'', vol. 47, no. 2, 1979, pp. 263–91. ''JSTOR'', <nowiki>https://doi.org/10.2307/1914185</nowiki>. Accessed 14 Feb. 2025.
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=== Allah speaks to the heavens/skies and the earth and they respond ===
=== Allah speaks to the heavens/skies and the earth and they respond ===
The sky cannot speak ([[:en:Quran_and_a_Universe_from_Smoke|nor was it ever made of 'smoke']]).{{Quote|{{Quran|41|11}}|Then He turned towards the heaven when it was smoke, saying to it and to the earth, ‘Submit, willingly or unwillingly.’ They both responded, ‘We submit willingly.’"}}
The sky cannot speak ([[:en:Quran_and_a_Universe_from_Smoke|nor was it ever made of 'smoke']]).{{Quote|{{Quran|41|11}}|Then He turned towards the heaven when it was smoke, saying to it and to the earth, ‘Submit, willingly or unwillingly.’ They both responded, ‘We submit willingly.’"}}
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{{Quran|9|26}} (angels you can't see help)
“You did not kill them, but God killed them, and you didn’t shoot the arrows when you shot, but God shot them.”  {{Quran|8|17}}
* Simialr to pre-sialmic potery (sinai citation) wind is described as being sent by God, rather than scientific process off https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/wind/ predictability.
* And bring down rain?  ''Rain-Giver, Bone-Breaker, Score-Settler: Allāh in Pre-Quranic Poetry,'' New Haven, Connecticut: American Oriental Society, 2019. Essay 15. Nicolai Sinai. (https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:977914cb-d783-4949-aed4-f0b6c2eaa562/files/m34f1a166246ec073a79d42ea09d9cc1a)
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* animals (every dabba, Q    16:49; 22:18) {{Quran|16|49}} {{Quran|22|18}}worship God by prostrating themselves, including the birds, which do so while flying (Q 24:41). {{Quran|24|41}}Birds held up by God & parallel
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=== Anthropomorphisms of Allah ===
=== Anthropomorphisms of Allah ===
Allah is not a totally transcendent God, as he is described as having human features in several verses in the Qur'an. Many hadith also support this view.<ref>Holtzman, L. (2018). [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Anthropomorphism_in_Islam/BPdJEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Anthropomorphism in Islam: The Challenge of Traditionalism (700-1350)]. United Kingdom: Edinburgh University Press.  
Allah is not a totally transcendent God, as he is described as having human features in several verses in the Qur'an. Many hadith also support this view.<ref>Holtzman, L. (2018). [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Anthropomorphism_in_Islam/BPdJEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Anthropomorphism in Islam: The Challenge of Traditionalism (700-1350)]. United Kingdom: Edinburgh University Press.  
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See many examples and debates around their authenticity in early Islam in ''Chapters 1, 2 and 3.''</ref>
See many examples and debates around their authenticity in early Islam in ''Chapters 1, 2 and 3.''</ref>
==== Hands ====
==== Hands ====
{{Quote|{{Quran|38|75}}|He said, ‘O Iblis! What keeps you from prostrating before that which I have created with <b>My [own] two hands?</b> Are you arrogant, or are you one of the exalted ones?’}}Sinai (2023) writes in regards to the literalism of the verses.
Sinai (2023) notes the parallels with pre-Islamic and contemporary literature suggesting that these verses are to be taken literally.<ref><i>allāh {{!}} God</i> Sinai, Nicolai. Key Terms of the Qur'an: A Critical Dictionary (p. 73-74). Princeton University Press. Kindle Edition.
 
''...in Q 38:75 God upbraids Iblīs for failing to “prostrate to what I have created with my hands,” bi-yadayya. As recognised by al-Ashʿarī (Gimaret 1990, 326), the point of God’s statement here is presumably to highlight a trait of Adam that endows him with peculiar dignity and elevates him over Iblīs—namely, the fact that God has formed Adam in a more intimate fashion than other creatures. Hence, although the Qur’anic God is perfectly capable of creating by verbal fiat, as maintained in places like Q 2:117 and 3:47 (when God “decides on [creating] something, he merely says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is,” idhā qaḍā amran fa-innamā yaqūlu lahu kun fa-yakūn), he can also create in what is literally a hands-on manner, by making use of his own limbs.<sup>106</sup> In passing, one may note that the claim that humans were fashioned manually has pre-Qur’anic parallels that lend further support to taking it quite literally. According to Aphrahat, Adam alone was created by God’s own hands while everything else was created by God’s word (Demonstrations 13:11 = Parisot 1894, 563–566, identified in BEQ 46). The same idea is developed at length by Jacob of Sarug (Mathews 2020, 46–51, ll. 2157–2194): whereas all other creatures were brought into existence by a divine “signal” (remzā; cf. Decharneux 2019, 244–245), Adam was uniquely created by God’s hands (l. 2169)—an instance of divine self-abasement that prefigures the incarnation of Christ (ll. 2189–2194). The Cave of Treasures also reports that Adam was shaped by God’s “holy hands” (Ri 1987, ch. 2:12; see Zellentin 2017, 109).<sup>107</sup>''</ref>{{Quote|{{Quran|38|75}}|He said, ‘O Iblis! What keeps you from prostrating before that which I have created with <b>My [own] two hands?</b> Are you arrogant, or are you one of the exalted ones?’}}
{{Quote|Sinai, Nicolai. Key Terms of the Qur'an: A Critical Dictionary (pp. 73-74). Princeton University Press. Kindle Edition.|2=...in Q 38:75 God upbraids Iblīs for failing to “prostrate to what I have created with my hands,” bi-yadayya. As recognised by al-Ashʿarī (Gimaret 1990, 326), the point of God’s statement here is presumably to highlight a trait of Adam that endows him with peculiar dignity and elevates him over Iblīs—namely, the fact that God has formed Adam in a more intimate fashion than other creatures. Hence, although the Qur’anic God is perfectly capable of creating by verbal fiat, as maintained in places like Q 2:117 and 3:47 (when God “decides on [creating] something, he merely says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is,” idhā qaḍā amran fa-innamā yaqūlu lahu kun fa-yakūn), he can also create in what is literally a hands-on manner, by making use of his own limbs.<sup>106</sup> In passing, one may note that the claim that humans were fashioned manually has pre-Qur’anic parallels that lend further support to taking it quite literally. According to Aphrahat, Adam alone was created by God’s own hands while everything else was created by God’s word (Demonstrations 13:11 = Parisot 1894, 563–566, identified in BEQ 46). The same idea is developed at length by Jacob of Sarug (Mathews 2020, 46–51, ll. 2157–2194): whereas all other creatures were brought into existence by a divine “signal” (remzā; cf. Decharneux 2019, 244–245), Adam was uniquely created by God’s hands (l. 2169)—an instance of divine self-abasement that prefigures the incarnation of Christ (ll. 2189–2194). The Cave of Treasures also reports that Adam was shaped by God’s “holy hands” (Ri 1987, ch. 2:12; see Zellentin 2017, 109).<sup>107</sup>}}
{{Quote|Sinai, Nicolai. Key Terms of the Qur'an: A Critical Dictionary (pp. 73-74). Princeton University Press. Kindle Edition.|2=...in Q 38:75 God upbraids Iblīs for failing to “prostrate to what I have created with my hands,” bi-yadayya. As recognised by al-Ashʿarī (Gimaret 1990, 326), the point of God’s statement here is presumably to highlight a trait of Adam that endows him with peculiar dignity and elevates him over Iblīs—namely, the fact that God has formed Adam in a more intimate fashion than other creatures. Hence, although the Qur’anic God is perfectly capable of creating by verbal fiat, as maintained in places like Q 2:117 and 3:47 (when God “decides on [creating] something, he merely says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is,” idhā qaḍā amran fa-innamā yaqūlu lahu kun fa-yakūn), he can also create in what is literally a hands-on manner, by making use of his own limbs.<sup>106</sup> In passing, one may note that the claim that humans were fashioned manually has pre-Qur’anic parallels that lend further support to taking it quite literally. According to Aphrahat, Adam alone was created by God’s own hands while everything else was created by God’s word (Demonstrations 13:11 = Parisot 1894, 563–566, identified in BEQ 46). The same idea is developed at length by Jacob of Sarug (Mathews 2020, 46–51, ll. 2157–2194): whereas all other creatures were brought into existence by a divine “signal” (remzā; cf. Decharneux 2019, 244–245), Adam was uniquely created by God’s hands (l. 2169)—an instance of divine self-abasement that prefigures the incarnation of Christ (ll. 2189–2194). The Cave of Treasures also reports that Adam was shaped by God’s “holy hands” (Ri 1987, ch. 2:12; see Zellentin 2017, 109).<sup>107</sup>}}


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