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'''Shakir:''' Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.}}
'''Shakir:''' Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.}}
   
   
Does this verse alone prove the corruption of previous scriptures? Let us examine what the Qur'an<ref>All verses are from Shakir's translation.</ref> really says about the Taurat and Injil; and examine {{Quran|2|79}} in its own context, as well as against the aforementioned verses to see if the belief of physical scriptural corruption is valid.
This verse alone May appear to indicate that the Qur'an indeed holds this view. Examine what the Qur'an<ref>All verses are from Shakir's translation.</ref> otherwise says about Taurat and Injil reveals a different picture.  


==What the Qur'an says about corruption==
==What the Qur'an says about corruption==


We will start by looking at verses of the Qur'an that talk about the corruption of the previous scriptures
The Qur'an has much to say about previous scriptures:


{{quote | {{Quran|2|59}}|But those who were unjust changed it for a saying other than that which had been spoken to them, so We sent upon those who were unjust a pestilence from heaven, because they transgressed.}}
{{quote | {{Quran|2|59}}|But those who were unjust changed it for a saying other than that which had been spoken to them, so We sent upon those who were unjust a pestilence from heaven, because they transgressed.}}
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*{{Quran|5|41}} The Jews ''"alter the words from their places."''
*{{Quran|5|41}} The Jews ''"alter the words from their places."''


Evidently, the Qur'an charges that the Jews and Christian's corrupted their scriptures; but only in their oral recitations. Qur'an 2:77 charges that the Jews deliberately "keep secret" parts of their Taurat from the people who do not know the Jewish scriptures. If the physical scriptures have been corrupted, how would the Jews know what was supposed to be in it? Is it that there are 'original' Taurat's still in existence, accessibly by an elite clerical class? These Jews are supposedly literate people because they 'knew what their book said but hid it behind their backs.' Were they keeping the information from the illiterate people (like Muhammad)? This would fit with the Qur'an's charge that the Jews 'distorted the book with their tongues.'
Evidently, the Qur'an charges that the Jews and Christian's corrupted their scriptures; but only in their oral recitations. Qur'an 2:77 charges that the Jews deliberately "keep secret" parts of their Taurat from the people who do not know the Jewish scriptures. If the physical scriptures have been corrupted, this begs the question of how would the Jews knew what was in it. One answer is it that there are 'original' Taurat's still in existence, accessibly by an elite clerical class. These elite Jews are supposedly literate people because they 'knew what their book said but hid it behind their backs.' This could indicate that they keeping the information from the illiterate people (like Muhammad). This would fit with the Qur'an's charge that the Jews 'distorted the book with their tongues.'


The Jews 'altered the words from their places' and 'forgot a good part of the message'; this also does not speak to physical scriptural corruption, but (alleged) corruption in their recitations to those who did not know the Jewish scriptures. Consider the claims made in Qur'an 5:15. it alleges that Muhammad 'made clear' what the Jews had 'concealed'; Muhammad also made clear that which they had 'passed over.' If the actual text was corrupt, how could the Jews have 'passed over' it? Surely if the physical corruption claim is true, the Qur'an should be using words like "the parts that the Jews removed from their books" or "the parts which have been omitted."
The Jews 'altered the words from their places' and 'forgot a good part of the message'; this also does not speak to physical scriptural corruption, but (alleged) corruption in their recitations to those who did not know the Jewish scriptures. Consider the claims made in Qur'an 5:15, where the Qur'an alleges that Muhammad 'made clear' what the Jews had 'concealed'; Muhammad also made clear that which they had 'passed over.' If the actual text was corrupt, this would presumably have been some kind of miracle, but there's no indication that this was the case. If the physical corruption claim is true, the Qur'an should be using words like "the parts that the Jews removed from their books" or "the parts which have been omitted."


There is no such wording in the language of the Qur'an; only evidence that Muhammad thought the Jews were lying about what was written in their Taurat, in order to reject him as a prophet of their God.  
There is no such wording in the language of the Qur'an; only evidence that Muhammad thought the Jews were lying about what was written in their Taurat, in order to reject him as a prophet of their God.  


==What does the Qur'an confirm?==
==The Message of the Qur'an Confirms the Previous Scriptures ==


Next we will look at what the Qur'an claims to confirm and verify:
The Qur'an claims to confirm and verify the previous scriptures:


{{quote | {{Quran|2|89}}|And when there came to them a Book from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.}}
{{quote | {{Quran|2|89}}|And when there came to them a Book from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.}}
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===Analysis===
===Analysis===


The Qur'an claims to be the continuation of the message from Allah. We note in the verses above that it claims to confirm the message in the previous books that the ''Jews and Christians have with them''.
The Qur'an claims to be the continuation of the message from Allah. In the verses above it claims to confirm the message in the previous books that the ''Jews and Christians have with them''.


*{{Quran|2|89}} ''"...a book from Allah verifying that which they have."''
*{{Quran|2|89}} ''"...a book from Allah verifying that which they have."''
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In the above verses the Qur'an confirms that the Jews and Christians had ''intact'' scriptures at the time of Muhammad. They ''have'' the book with Allah's judgment in it (the Taurat).  
In the above verses the Qur'an confirms that the Jews and Christians had ''intact'' scriptures at the time of Muhammad. They ''have'' the book with Allah's judgment in it (the Taurat).  


Some Muslims claim that parts of it are Allah's book and parts are not; if the physical scriptures were corrupted, Allah would not say he "verifies that which you have" he would have said that he "verifies ''parts'' of which you have" and then indicate that the texts are no longer intact. The only conclusions we can draw from these statements of Allah, are that:   
Some Muslims claim that parts of it are Allah's book and parts are not; if the physical scriptures were corrupted, Allah would not say he "verifies that which you have" he would have said that he "verifies ''parts'' of which you have" and then indicate that the texts are no longer intact. The only conclusions from these statements of Allah are that:   


(a) The Jews were literate - they knew their scriptures; they 'threw the book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing." How could they know the book of Allah if it was corrupted?<BR>
(a) The Jews were literate - they knew their scriptures; they 'threw the book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing." They could not know the book of Allah if it was corrupted.<BR>
(b) That The Jews and Christians both had intact (alleged) revelations from Allah when the Qur'an was revealed. Since we have manuscripts that pre-date Muhammad's time, that are the same as the Bible we have today, then we can conclude that the scriptures that we have today are the same as they were in Muhammad's time.  
(b) The Jews and Christians both had intact (alleged) revelations from Allah when the Qur'an was revealed. Since manuscripts that pre-date Muhammad's time are extant, that means the same as the Bible exists today, the same one(s) Jews and Christians still use in their own worship.  


==Was Allah referring to both the Taurat and Injil?==
==Referrences to both the Taurat and Injil?==


We have thus far, given a lot of examples where the Jews were mentioned specifically, or just 'people of the book'. Was Allah referring to the previous scriptures (and corruption) as being just the Taurat, or does he include the Injil?
The Qur'an was referring to the previous scriptures (and corruption) as being both of the Taurat and the Injil.
{{quote | {{Quran|3|3}}|He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.}}
{{quote | {{Quran|3|3}}|He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.}}


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===Analysis===
===Analysis===


Confirmed in the above Qur'an verses is the fact that Allah claims to have revealed both the Taurat (to Musa) and Injil (to Isa). Qur'an 5:47 confirms also that the Injil was intact during Muhammad's time, when it says "and the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it". This shows, that, in order to judge Muhammad's truthfulness on his prophetic claim, the Christians should have gone to the Injil which they ''had with them'' in order to 'confirm' his claim. Allah is inferring that their scripture, as well as that of the Jews, is uncorrupted.  
In the above Qur'an verses Allah claims to have revealed both the Taurat (to Musa) and Injil (to Isa). Qur'an 5:47 confirms also that the Injil was intact during Muhammad's time, when it says "and the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it". This shows, that, in order to judge Muhammad's truthfulness on his prophetic claim, the Christians should have gone to the Injil which they ''had with them'' in order to 'confirm' his claim. Allah is inferring that their scripture, as well as that of the Jews, is uncorrupted.  


==Qur'an 2:79 in Context==
==Qur'an 2:79 in Context==


Many apologists accuse critics of taking the Qur'an 'out of context', however ,in the case of {{Quran|2|79}}, it is the apologist  ''need'' to take it out of context in order to 'prove' that the Qur'an says the 'previous scriptures' were physically corrupted. Here it is in context:
Many apologists often accuse critics of taking the Qur'an 'out of context', however ,in the case of {{Quran|2|79}}, the apologetic claim that the Quran accuses other scriptures of corruption itself stands out of context from the surrounding material. Here it is in context:


{{quote | {{cite quran|2|78|end=79|style=ref}}|And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture. Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.}}
{{quote | {{cite quran|2|78|end=79|style=ref}}|And there are among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture. Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.}}


So if we were to look at verse 2:79 which is given to us by some as evidence, then it would appear that the Qur'an does charge some (unknown) people with writing a book without knowledge and claiming it is a revelation from Allah. However if we look at the preceding verse, we note that it says that the people who do this are ''illiterate''. This means that have not read Allah's previous revelations.
It would appear that the Qur'an does charge some (unknown) people with writing a book without knowledge and claiming it is a revelation from Allah. However considering the preceding verse, it says that the people who do this are ''illiterate''. This means that have not read Allah's previous revelations.


===Analysis===
===Analysis===


====Are the Jews and Christians the illiterate?====
====Jews and Christians are described as literate ====


*{{Quran|2|101}} ''"...a party of those who were given the book threw the book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing."''
*{{Quran|2|101}} ''"...a party of those who were given the book threw the book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing."''
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*Both Jews and Christians are told to judge between their respective books and the Qur'an to judge whether Muhammad was truthful.
*Both Jews and Christians are told to judge between their respective books and the Qur'an to judge whether Muhammad was truthful.


The only verse that slightly resembles Qur'an 2:78-79 is 3:79. However it charges that the Jews knew what their scriptures said, but corrupted it ''with their tongues''.  How are the Jews and Christians supposed to know that the Qur'an verifies their books if they cannot read their own books? Why would Jews hide the book behind their backs if they did not know what it said?
The only other verse that slightly resembles Qur'an 2:78-79 is 3:79. However it charges that the Jews knew what their scriptures said, but corrupted it ''with their tongues''.  The mentions of the books of the Jews and Christians impies that at least some of them are literate. The accusation of the Jews hiding the truth of their book implies that they know its true meaning (having it to read at will).
All the verses above show that the Qur'an never charges that the Jews and Christians are illiterate; quite the opposite, therefore it seems unlikely that Qur'an 2:79 would be referring to them 'writing the book with their hands.
All the verses above show that the Qur'an never charges that the Jews and Christians are illiterate; quite the opposite, therefore it seems unlikely that Qur'an 2:79 would be referring to them 'writing the book with their hands.
====Who are the Illiterate and what 'Book' did they write?====
====Who are the Illiterate and what 'Book' did they write?====
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*If the People of the Book truly were changing the scripture in their recitations of it to the illiterate people, it is not unreasonable to surmise that an illiterate person (who could not read the original documents) then wrote down (or elaborated on) what they heard in the recitation.
*If the People of the Book truly were changing the scripture in their recitations of it to the illiterate people, it is not unreasonable to surmise that an illiterate person (who could not read the original documents) then wrote down (or elaborated on) what they heard in the recitation.


*Allah was originally a pagan moon god; thus these verses could mean that pagans were writing scripture and claiming it was from Allah "The God".
*Allah was originally a pagan semetic god and the sirah claims he was already worshipped by the Meccan pagans in Muhammad's day; thus these verses could mean that pagans were writing scripture and claiming it was from Allah "The God".


*The Qur'an makes the "Surah Like It" Challenge:
*The Qur'an makes the "Surah Like It" Challenge:
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It is most likely that Qur'an 2:78-79 is referring to the people who took up this challenge to produce a surah like it. However, since the Qur'an does not elaborate, we can only say for certainty that it is ''not'' referring to the Jews and Christians.
It is most likely that Qur'an 2:78-79 is referring to the people who took up this challenge to produce a surah like it. However, since the Qur'an does not elaborate, we can only say for certainty that it is ''not'' referring to the Jews and Christians.


==Conclusion==
==Summary==


On review of the evidence, we have learned thus far:
A review of the evidence show the following


#The Qur'an never charges that the Jews and Christians have physically corrupted their scriptures. It states that they have 'changed words from their right places (with their mouths)' and 'concealed parts of the message given to them'.
#The Qur'an never charges that the Jews and Christians have physically corrupted their scriptures. It states that they have 'changed words from their right places (with their mouths)' and 'concealed parts of the message given to them'.
#The Qur'an claims to verify the books that they have with them. This precludes the possibility that the People of the Book had corrupted scriptures in their possession at the time of Muhammad.  The language used in the Qur'an confirms that the whole texts were intact and 'verified' by the Qur'an. Since we have Biblical texts that pre-date Islam, that match what we have today, we know that today's scriptures are the same as they were in and before Muhammad's time.
#The Qur'an claims to verify the books that they have with them. This precludes the possibility that the People of the Book had corrupted scriptures in their possession at the time of Muhammad.  The language used in the Qur'an confirms that the whole texts were intact and 'verified' by the Qur'an. Since we have Biblical texts that pre-date Islam, that match what we have today, we know that today's scriptures are the same as they were in and before Muhammad's time.
#We know that Allah is 'verifying' both the Taurat and Injil; telling Christians and Jews to check their specific scriptures to 'judge by what Allah has revealed.'
#Allah in the Qur'an is 'verifying' both the Taurat and Injil; telling Christians and Jews to check their specific scriptures to 'judge by what Allah has revealed.'
#Both the Jews and Christians were literate peoples who knew their scriptures.
#Both the Jews and Christians were literate peoples who knew their scriptures.
#Qur'an 2:79 when read in context clearly states that the ''illiterate'' people were writing the book 'with their own hands' and claiming it was from Allah. Since we know the people of the Book were literate, these verses are not referring to them.
#Qur'an 2:79 when read in context clearly states that the ''illiterate'' people were writing the book 'with their own hands' and claiming it was from Allah. Since the people of the Book were literate, these verses are not referring to them.


Consider the evidence: The Qur'an never says the physical scriptures of the previous revelations are corrupt (since we have precluded 2:79). If the previous scriptures are not corrupt, what do we do if the Qur'an contradicts the message of the Bible? Let's see what the Qur'an tells you to do:
The Qur'an never says the physical scriptures of the previous revelations are corrupt (since we have precluded 2:79). If the previous scriptures are not corrupt, what do we do if the Qur'an contradicts the message of the Bible? Let's see what the Qur'an tells you to do:


{{quote | {{Quran|10|94}}|But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, '''ask those who read the Book before you'''; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.}}
{{quote | {{Quran|10|94}}|But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, '''ask those who read the Book before you'''; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.}}


{{quote | {{Quran|21|7}}|And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, '''so ask the followers of the reminder''' if you do not}}
{{quote | {{Quran|21|7}}|And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, '''so ask the followers of the reminder''' if you do not}}
'''Therefore Qur'an 2:79 is not referring to the previous scriptures'''
Qur'an 2:79 is not referring to the previous scriptures
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