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[[File:Saffron.jpg|left|thumb|Saffron has been used as a perfume from ancient times. According to {{Tabari|39|p. 179}}, Ramlah arrived in Medina loaded with saffron, civet-musk, ambergris and aloe perfumes.|300px]]
[[File:Saffron.jpg|left|thumb|Saffron has been used as a perfume from ancient times. According to {{Tabari|39|p. 179}}, Ramlah arrived in Medina loaded with saffron, civet-musk, ambergris and aloe perfumes.|300px]]


{{Quote|{{Tabari|39|p. 180}}.|[Ramlah’s marriage] occurred in the year 7 AH. She was thirty-odd years old when she was brought to Medina.}}
{{Quote|{{Tabari|39|p. 180}}.|[Ramlah’s marriage] occurred in the year 7 AH. '''She was thirty-odd years old''' when she was brought to Medina.}}


{{Quote|[http://www.islamawareness.net/Muhammed/ibn_kathir_wives.html/ Ibn Kathir, “Umm Habiba”] in ''The Wives of the Prophet''.|Ramlah] married the Prophet Muhammad in 1 AH, although she did not actually come to live with him in Medina until 7 AH, when the Prophet was 60 years old and she was 35.}}
{{Quote|[http://www.islamawareness.net/Muhammed/ibn_kathir_wives.html/ Ibn Kathir, “Umm Habiba”] in ''The Wives of the Prophet''.|Ramlah] married the Prophet Muhammad in 1 AH, although she did not actually come to live with him in Medina until 7 AH, when the Prophet was 60 years old and '''she was 35'''.}}


Ibn Kathir makes Muhammad 25 years older than Ramlah. This is not a serious contradiction. If Muhammad was 53 in 1 AH, then he was only 59 and not 60 in 7 AH; so calling Ramlah’s age 35 rather than 36 may also be an approximation, much like Tabari’s “thirty-odd”. Since Ibn Kathir is not a primary source, we shall be conservative and assume that “thirty-odd” means 36 and that Ramlah was born in 30 BH.
Ibn Kathir makes Muhammad 25 years older than Ramlah. This is not a serious contradiction. If Muhammad was 53 in 1 AH, then he was only 59 and not 60 in 7 AH; so calling Ramlah’s age 35 rather than 36 may also be an approximation, much like Tabari’s “thirty-odd”. Since Ibn Kathir is not a primary source, we shall be conservative and assume that “thirty-odd” means 36 and that Ramlah was born in 30 BH.


30 BH fell between June 593 and May 594, giving Ramlah a median birthdate of 3 December 593. Her marriage to Muhammad was consummated upon his return from Khaybar in July 628.<ref>Guillaume/Ishaq 526, 529-530.</ref>
30 BH fell between 9 June 593 and 28 May 594, giving Ramlah a median birthdate of 2 December 593. Her marriage to Muhammad was consummated upon his return from Khaybar in July 628.<ref>Guillaume/Ishaq 526, 529-530.</ref>


:::'''Ramlah’s Median Age at Consummation = 34 years and 7 months.'''
:::'''Ramlah’s Median Age at Consummation = 34 years and 7 months.'''

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