Talk:Indonesia

Aceh

Even though it is in Indonesia, there it is considered an outlier to the rest of the country, so labeling it as Indonesia without qualifying that it's Aceh could lead to accusations of cherry picking and conflating a very religious area of the country with the rest. Aceh had rebellions against Indonesia and Indonesia gave Aceh autonomy so Aceh could establish Islamic law. When Aceh comes up you can accuse Indonesia of allowing such a "not so moderate" area to exist, and/or put it under an Aceh header. 76.31.48.157 07:50, 16 March 2013 (PDT)

It is a part of Indonesia. You can raise your concern only when it gets complete autonomy and gets a status as a new 'country'. Until then it falls under Indonesia, no matter what. The government of Indonesia is responsible for whatever goes on in Aceh. With things like this, it makes it even more important for people to remember that Aceh is part of Indonesia. If any moderate Muslims exist in Indonesia, they need to make sure that Aceh keeps itself under control. It should not be treated like a spoiled child who can do anything they like. You can start that initiative. --Axius (talk) 08:18, 16 March 2013 (PDT)

To Axius: Even if Aceh never existed, when you look at population and opinion stats, the IP's complaints are invalid. I'll explain how below.

To the IP: We're not the ones who are cherry picking. As Axius has already noted, Aceh is still a part of Indonesia and the government of Indonesia is responsible for whatever goes on there. Even you note this when you say, "conflating a very religious area of the country with the rest". i.e. it is you and anyone else who can claim Indonesia is "moderate" with a straight face who are guilty of cherry picking. Do you realize how stupid your complaint sounds? That's like claiming guns are banned in the US, except for every city that is not Chicago. What are people who live in Aceh if not Indonesians? You can't just exclude a massive chunk of the population just because they don't fit in with whatever point you're trying to make.

Besides, even if we were to exclude Indonesians who live in Aceh, and deny they were Indonesians, the country of Indonesia still wouldn't deserve the inaccurate title of a "Moderate Muslim country". Just take a look at some of the related statistics. 57.8% of Muslims in Indonesia oppose the building of non-Muslim places of worship, and 43.5% of Indonesian Muslims (approximately 87 million) ready to wage war for their faith[1][2]. Indonesia as a whole has a population of 237.5 million whilst Aceh only has a comparatively tiny population of 4.5 million. Clearly the problem of religious intolerance in Indonesia is not confined to one area, but is a country-wide problem. Face it, unless you've lived your entire life in Saudi Arabia or Iran, there is nothing "moderate" about Indonesia, and the media in general are waking up to this fact.

Additionally, I have no idea why you even bothered to raise this complaint on my talk page, because another editor has already removed the descriptor of "moderate" from all news titles concerning Indonesia.--Sahabah (talk) 09:05, 16 March 2013 (PDT)