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Moved nearer to the beginning the section on 75:8-9 as it is so significant and goes well with the next section
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{{Quote|{{Quran|25|45}}|Art thou not aware of thy Sustainer [through His works]? - how He causes the shadow to lengthen [towards the night] when, had He so willed, He could indeed have made it stand still: but then, We have made the sun its guide;}} | {{Quote|{{Quran|25|45}}|Art thou not aware of thy Sustainer [through His works]? - how He causes the shadow to lengthen [towards the night] when, had He so willed, He could indeed have made it stand still: but then, We have made the sun its guide;}} | ||
===The similar size and distance of the sun and moon=== | |||
The Qur'an has some statements about the end of the world that are much as one would expect if the author believed the sun and moon to be of similar size and a similar distance from Earth. | |||
{{Quote|{{cite quran|75|8|end=9|style=ref}}|And the moon darkens And the sun and the moon are joined,}} | |||
The word translated "are joined" is Arabic jumi'a, a verb which means to collect together, gather together, bring together.<ref>Jama'a [http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume2/00000091.pdf Lane's Lexicon Book 1 page 455]</ref> Now given that this would actually require the moon to travel 98 million miles away from Earth and into the sun, which is over 600 times wider, it is far less suitable as an apocalyptic event than if the ancient understanding of the cosmos was correct, and it is not credible that an author with accurate knowledge of the solar system would describe such an event using the words found in these verses. | |||
===The course of the sun in relation to the course of the moon=== | ===The course of the sun in relation to the course of the moon=== | ||
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The Qur'an clearly tells us that the sun follows a daily cycle, which ends every night when the sun goes to its resting place (ِمُسْتَقَرٍّ See notes in the Primary Evidence section regarding this word). Waalshshamsu (and the sun) tajree (runs) limustaqarrin (a resting point) laha (of it). Notice how the sun's movement is repeatedly mentioned in the context of night and day. | The Qur'an clearly tells us that the sun follows a daily cycle, which ends every night when the sun goes to its resting place (ِمُسْتَقَرٍّ See notes in the Primary Evidence section regarding this word). Waalshshamsu (and the sun) tajree (runs) limustaqarrin (a resting point) laha (of it). Notice how the sun's movement is repeatedly mentioned in the context of night and day. | ||
A standard apologetic claim is that references to the sun's movement concern its 225 million year orbit around the milky way. Such a meaning would have no relevance to human timescales, nor would it be "a token" or sign for 7<sup>th</sup> century listeners, nor would it make sense in the context about the night-day cycle. Moreover, saying that it is not for the sun to overtake the moon is a very strange thing to say unless speaking from a naive human perspective where they orbit the same world, and indeed, will be one day joined together (see | A standard apologetic claim is that references to the sun's movement concern its 225 million year orbit around the milky way. Such a meaning would have no relevance to human timescales, nor would it be "a token" or sign for 7<sup>th</sup> century listeners, nor would it make sense in the context about the night-day cycle. Moreover, saying that it is not for the sun to overtake the moon is a very strange thing to say unless speaking from a naive human perspective where they orbit the same world, and indeed, will be one day joined together (see above). | ||
===The movement of the sun and timekeeping=== | ===The movement of the sun and timekeeping=== | ||
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The Qur'an is quite clear about the course of the sun. It does not even describe a complete orbit, but merely a rounded course (falak) that has a beginning, an end, and a highest point. | The Qur'an is quite clear about the course of the sun. It does not even describe a complete orbit, but merely a rounded course (falak) that has a beginning, an end, and a highest point. | ||
==Supporting Evidence== | ==Supporting Evidence== | ||