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Consolidated the two galactic orbit refutations into the same section, and removed duplicate quote of 25:45
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Lightyears (talk | contribs) (Moved nearer to the beginning the section on 75:8-9 as it is so significant and goes well with the next section) |
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It could be argued that "don't you see" means "don't you know" or "aren't you aware" or "don't you realise". Of course this does not make much of a difference. In this case, the Qur'an clearly reinforces the common but incorrect beliefs of the time, and further uses these erroneous beliefs to support the existence of Allah. | It could be argued that "don't you see" means "don't you know" or "aren't you aware" or "don't you realise". Of course this does not make much of a difference. In this case, the Qur'an clearly reinforces the common but incorrect beliefs of the time, and further uses these erroneous beliefs to support the existence of Allah. | ||
The sun and moon running their courses are signs (ayaat) to mankind and thus they must be visible (or known) to a 7th century Arab audience. | The following verse says that the sun and moon running their courses are signs (ayaat) to mankind and thus they must be visible (or known) to a 7th century Arab audience. It says they are explained in detail in the Qur'an to strengthen the faith of Muslims. Yet the modern galactic orbit explanation requires outside knowledge, and these verses provoke doubts in the minds of Muslims. | ||
{{Quote|{{Quran|13|2}}| […] '''He has subjected the sun and the moon! Each one runs for a term appointed'''. He regulates the matter, '''explaining the signs in detail''', so you can be certain of meeting with your Lord.}} | {{Quote|{{Quran|13|2}}| […] '''He has subjected the sun and the moon! Each one runs for a term appointed'''. He regulates the matter, '''explaining the signs in detail''', so you can be certain of meeting with your Lord.}} | ||
''yudabbiru (he arranges / regulates) al amra (the matter) yufassilu (he explains in detail) al ayaat (the signs) la allakum (so you may) biliqai (meeting) rabbikum (with your Lord) tūqinūna (be certain)'' | ''yudabbiru (he arranges / regulates) al amra (the matter) yufassilu (he explains in detail) al ayaat (the signs) la allakum (so you may) biliqai (meeting) rabbikum (with your Lord) tūqinūna (be certain)'' | ||
In the following verses the Qur'an clearly tells us that the sun follows a daily cycle, which ends every night when the sun goes to its resting place (ِمُسْتَقَرٍّ See notes in the Primary Evidence section regarding this word). As usual in the Qur'an (13:2 being the only exception), the sun's movement is mentioned in the context of night and day. | |||
{{Quote|{{cite quran|36|37|end=40|style=ref}}| A token unto them is night. '''We strip it of the day, and lo! they are in darkness and the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him.''' That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.}} | |||
Waalshshamsu (and the sun) tajree (runs) limustaqarrin (a resting point) laha (of it). Notice how the sun's movement is almost always mentioned in the context of night and day. | |||
The 225 million year galactic orbit interpretation would have no relevance to human timescales, nor would it be "a token" or sign for 7<sup>th</sup> century listeners, nor would it make sense in the context about the night-day cycle. Moreover, saying that it is not for the sun to overtake the moon is a very strange thing to say unless speaking from a naive human perspective where they orbit the same world, and indeed, will be one day joined together (see below). | |||
{{Quote|{{Quran|25|45|}}|Have you not '''seen''' see how your Lord spread the shadow. If He willed he could make it stationary. Then do We make the sun its guide.}} | {{Quote|{{Quran|25|45|}}|Have you not '''seen''' see how your Lord spread the shadow. If He willed he could make it stationary. Then do We make the sun its guide.}} | ||
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Interestingly, the length of the shadow cast by the sun is also used to determine the start of the Asr prayer time; the apparent movement of the sun is still used by Muslims as a clock of sorts. | Interestingly, the length of the shadow cast by the sun is also used to determine the start of the Asr prayer time; the apparent movement of the sun is still used by Muslims as a clock of sorts. | ||
===The similar size and distance of the sun and moon=== | ===The similar size and distance of the sun and moon=== | ||
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There is a reason why this is important: the sun's daily cycle and the moons monthly cycle are used for timekeeping in Islam. | There is a reason why this is important: the sun's daily cycle and the moons monthly cycle are used for timekeeping in Islam. | ||
===The movement of the sun and timekeeping=== | ===The movement of the sun and timekeeping=== | ||