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The following hadith, where Umar attempts to limit the [[Mahr]], is sometimes used to claim that women were politically and socially active in early Islamic societies.
The following hadith, where Umar attempts to limit the [[Mahr]], is sometimes used to claim that women were politically and socially active in early Islamic societies.


{{Quote||'Umar ibn al-Khattab...stated that if anyone pays more as dower than what the Prophet (peace be upon him) used to pay, he would put that excess amount in the Public Treasury. A woman from the Quraish came to him and said, "O commander of the Faithful, does the Book of Allah have more right to be followed or your statement? He said, "The Book of Allah." So she then told him, "You have just prohibited the people from giving an excessive amount for dower but Allah has stated in His Book,"And if you have given them a great amount of gold as dower, take not the least bit of it back.'" [4:20] And then 'Umar said two or three times, "Everybody has a better understanding than 'Umar." [Other narrations state, "The Woman is correct and 'Umar is mistaken." - Footnote] Then he got back on the minbar and said, "O people, I used to forbid you from being excessive with respect to the dower of women. Verily a man may do whatever he sees fit with his wealth."<ref name="Umar">al-Bashir - [{{Reference archive|1=http://web.archive.org/web/20040610170517/http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4222/umar_corr.html|2=2011-11-20}} The Story of 'Umar Being Corrected by a Woman] - at-Taqwa, June 10, 2004 </ref><ref name="Umar2">{{cite web|url= http://www.allaahuakbar.net/ahaadeeth/32.htm|title= Da'eef (Weak) No:32 The Story of 'Umar Being Corrected by a Woman|publisher= Allaahuakbar.net|author= |date= accessed August 23, 2011|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20110823032951%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.allaahuakbar.net%2Fahaadeeth%2F32.htm&date=2014-03-16|deadurl=yes}}</ref>}}
{{Quote||'Umar ibn al-Khattab...stated that if anyone pays more as dower than what the Prophet (peace be upon him) used to pay, he would put that excess amount in the Public Treasury. A woman from the Quraish came to him and said, "O commander of the Faithful, does the Book of Allah have more right to be followed or your statement? He said, "The Book of Allah." So she then told him, "You have just prohibited the people from giving an excessive amount for dower but Allah has stated in His Book,"And if you have given them a great amount of gold as dower, take not the least bit of it back.'" [4:20] And then 'Umar said two or three times, "Everybody has a better understanding than 'Umar." [Other narrations state, "The Woman is correct and 'Umar is mistaken." - Footnote] Then he got back on the minbar and said, "O people, I used to forbid you from being excessive with respect to the dower of women. Verily a man may do whatever he sees fit with his wealth."<ref name="Umar2">{{cite web|url= http://www.allaahuakbar.net/ahaadeeth/32.htm|title= Da'eef (Weak) No:32 The Story of 'Umar Being Corrected by a Woman|publisher= Allaahuakbar.net|author= |date= accessed August 23, 2011|archiveurl= http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20110823032951%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.allaahuakbar.net%2Fahaadeeth%2F32.htm&date=2014-03-16|deadurl=yes}}</ref>}}


This hadith has been classed as da`if (weak). It also contradicts authentic hadith which state Umar did in fact limit excessive payments of Mahr.
This hadith has been classed as da`if (weak). It also contradicts authentic hadith which state Umar did in fact limit excessive payments of Mahr.
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Indeed, it is confirmed in authentic hadith recorded by Abu Dawud, al-Nasai, al-Tirmidhi and others that Umar ibn al-Khattab did in fact advise the people not to be excessive when it comes to a woman's dower.
Indeed, it is confirmed in authentic hadith recorded by Abu Dawud, al-Nasai, al-Tirmidhi and others that Umar ibn al-Khattab did in fact advise the people not to be excessive when it comes to a woman's dower.


Actually, the above incident from the time of Umar ibn al-Khattab is quoted by many people nowadays to demonstrate that women used to take part in the political and other activities during the time of the Companions. They had an active role in society and, as one speaker today called it, took part in the "congressional meetings" (!) held in the mosque during those times. They go from that to exhorting women to take much more attractive roles in society and not be content with being at home, being good wives and mothers. They say that this was not the practice during the time of the Companions as this incident from the time of' Umar ibn al-Khattab clearly demonstrates. Obviously, in order to use such an incident as proof, one must first prove the authenticity of the narration. This is not possible in this case and, therefore, this incident cannot be used as a proof.<ref name="Umar"></ref><ref name="Umar2"></ref>}}
Actually, the above incident from the time of Umar ibn al-Khattab is quoted by many people nowadays to demonstrate that women used to take part in the political and other activities during the time of the Companions. They had an active role in society and, as one speaker today called it, took part in the "congressional meetings" (!) held in the mosque during those times. They go from that to exhorting women to take much more attractive roles in society and not be content with being at home, being good wives and mothers. They say that this was not the practice during the time of the Companions as this incident from the time of' Umar ibn al-Khattab clearly demonstrates. Obviously, in order to use such an incident as proof, one must first prove the authenticity of the narration. This is not possible in this case and, therefore, this incident cannot be used as a proof.<ref name="Umar2"></ref>}}


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===Whoever mistreats a dhimmi will be Allah's opponent===
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